When will Privateer Press get the rights for Warcraft and finally compete against GW?

When will Privateer Press get the rights for Warcraft and finally compete against GW?

>setting has rich lore
>has nice characters
>armies based on named characters being alive or not
>franchise is popular and can easily overwhelm 40k and AoS

When Rule 15 is revoked and Veeky Forums burns down, depriving you of a place to talk about it

If they were going to do this, the time for it would've been a decade ago. Warcraft is long past its prime.

They’d need to do some heavy unfucking of the lore.

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Can't be worse than nu40k and AoS lore lol

It's still got a bigger following than most niche and fully supported wargames. Hell, there are still people who follow the game and just don't play it, or just don't sub to the retail version.

Yknow the systems don't mesh all that badly. Hell they're pretty almost kinda decent as a warcraft stand in in the IKRPG.
That is true. But as a branching wargame or RPG there's lots of room for it.

>copy warmachine rules to warcraft setting

How the fuck isn't this glorious and money-making?

Because the trick isn't the rules but the units

...what would they even use for Warjacks/Warbeasts/Warlocks/Warcasters? Those don't parse easily into those rules and just infantry with warmachine would be dull.

Privateer press fucks its own lore around just as much.

Maybe have heroes and a moral/command system for bonuses or special actions

I just want a space goat army

>space goat army
>he doesn't know that the primaris lightforged goats exist

>likes space goats

You are part of the problem

I saw that and couldn't understand

They're so full of light it bleeds out of their eyes AND they have a racial healing spell. So what are these new ones? Superlight? Doublelight?

The penis wants what it wants. I also like their crystal space magic aesthetic more than any other Warcraft has to offer

They are the chadgoats compared to the manlet goats.

They can always start with the Third War and branch out in the past/present from there. Units already outline themselves, and you can split the Alliance military into the human kingdoms, dwarves, and high-elves.

Hard to believe but yes it can and is.

Bliz copied GW so hard they even fucked their IP sideways with a rusty bike just to be like them.

Talking about Warcraft on this board should be bannable.

It's almost always low-quality content, and /v/-tier discussions.

Just accept that your setting is rotting to the very bones and go talk about it somewhere else.

It'd get about 1000 players and then die out slowly.

Superlight isn't that far off, actually.
Most Draenei are connected to the Light in a spiritual fashion.
Draenei from the Army of the Light are Lightforged, their essence being bound to and bolstered by a Naaru. In fact, they are so suffused with the Light that the Void can harm them by its mere presence.

It's funny really. Warcraft started as a Warhammer knockoff. And now Warhammer has turned into a WoW knockoff.

40k/AoS Moba when.

I mean I guess Dark Nexus, but man they could have just asked for a MOBA mode to be added to one of the dawn of war games.

It'd be easy enough to do and a license to print money. You people THINK that it'll be retarded because you aren't thinking like a retard yourself. People spend ludicrous amounts of money on Warcraft shit, even fucking random shit like little dolls or keyrings and other shit. Complete garbage. Don't you think they'll pay the same/more for armies of dudes?

Hearthstone was basically a shitty version of Magic and it made a fucking killing. Fat greasy Magicfags all got together and said it'd be shit and nobody would like it because it couldn't compete with their shit but it doesn't need to. Blizz fanbois are ravenous and spend heaps of shit on absolute garbage.

Heroes of the Storm, again, is awful compared to League and even DotA which is itself shit, but it makes Blizzard money.

Overwatch is LITERALLY TF2 without hats but it has really good porn. Lots and lots of it. It's a terrible game that makes money because Blizzard made it.

You people are missing the idea of whether or not Warcraft is dying or WoW is shit or if you'd play it or if it's as good as Warmachine or 40k. You simply do not get how much fucking money Blizzard fanbois spend on Blizzard shit. Even inferior ripoff products, if properly Blizzardised, sell like crazy. A tabletop game would work just as well.

Honestly, PP doesn't have to do anything. GW seems happy to sink to their level, removing options and making their game revolve around special characters and alphastrikes.

as long as they are not metal models, I'd be fucking keen on that

have there been any AoS Vidya around?

>AoS
>Vidya

>Heroes of the Storm, again, is awful compared to League and even DotA which is itself shit, but it makes Blizzard money.

I'd argue with this. HotS does a lot of shit LoL and DotA have no interest in doing, which really sets it apart.

It's champion design, for example, is far more crazy in scope. You'd never see an Abthur or a Murky in LoL, for example.

This. Warcraft needs a reboot badly, they just keep piling in retarded shit to raise the stakes like a beginner DM would, instead of enjoying the huge sandbox they already have and develop any of the literally hundreds of well-known and beloved minor characters.

No wonder why minor characters like Chromie got so popular.

Seconded. also removing the need to last hit minions to gain XP is a really nice touch.

Instead of beasts/jacks you just have 3 “warcaster” hero equivalents

Yeah, making it more team rather than individual progression is a plus in my mind.

Dawn of War 3.

A pretty decent plan.

HotS seems to have a lot of side objective shit that doesn't seem common in other MOBAs.

That's actually a pretty good way to help point out main-plot-fatigue.

Hunters, Warlocks, Mages, Shaman, and Golem lords only. Final destination.

>Implying blizztards would play tabletop in large numbers

Nope. There is a reason blizz is courting the ADHD market with Overwatch.

None of those properties involve building, painting, required reading and leaving the house. Hell, hearthstone is one step short of a fucking Gacha game.

Oh and they could control different things like spirits for a shaman or undead for a death knight / necromancer. Now I really want this to be a thing.

It would be nice to see but it would go as well as the Halo tabletop.

halo tabletop was done by spartan, it's safe to say that anything tabletop done by anyone else will be done far better marketing wise.

Then why not go the Hearthstone route and make a "miniature wargame" that's really a TBS?

A decent Warcraft wargame would be pretty rad DESU. It doesn't necessarily need to be made by Privateer Press. Bonus points if the miniatures come with codes for in game items for WoW.

>actiblozz
>Sharing it's IP with anyone
>Sharing it's profits with anyone

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Just go off of the OGL Warcraft RPG, which was written between Warcraft 3 and WoW and is thus untainted by 13 years of retcons and asspulls.

But that would leave out 80% of the good shit and many of those retcons actually made sense.

Easier to add the good shit in than to take the bad shit out, though.

Thats why a reboot is needed so you can rebuild it into a coherent whole along the way.

What would you change about the setting, just out of curiosity?

Pretty much just the things forced on it by MMO mechanics. RvB retardation especially. Its the height of retardation how the handful of shamanistic outcasts living in a desert, trying to find a new beginning for their people suddenly becomes a massive military juggernaut with no resources, pulling out armies, navies and airfleets out of its ass without having a single port.

I'd also restructure or cut pretty much every major story development after mid-BC. Much of the settings, the races, the villains, and the basic plotlines could all work but the MMO and its whiny fans forced it into "awesome moments" and a conga line of OOC bullshit and horrible decisions. Shoutout goes to jaina who committed patricide and regicide to preserve the horde, spent the entire game up to wotlk trying to prove the orcs dindu nuffin then got nuked and turns out her detractors were good guys the whole time. Whoops. Later on they piled even more bullshit on it but fuck, I could go on and on about just that one character for pages.
Oh and also, I'd dumpster that retarded new lorebook in its entirety. Cosmology should be something to be pieced together from canon rumors and dropped half-lines of lore in hidden scrolls, not just presented like a blueprint and gods and titans discussed as matter of factly like quarterly reports. On the top if it, its dumb an uninspired as well.

Noth them but: I'd probably keep the "Faction War" as a much slower burning series of skirmishes and proxy wars despite both sides actively trading.

More focus on minor factions, Nightelves maybe not joining the Alliance outright, more Gnolls, quilboar, centaur stuff. More focus on Dark Iron vs Dark horde stuff perhaps.

And wait are we talking as a replacement for WoW, a Tabletop Wargame AU, or a PnP RPG I'd try to run for friends?

I do agree that the full laid out cosmology was excessive, and the "Types of magical elements" wheel was pretty dumb and nonsensical. But it did at least fix the weird contradiction of "An army of demons from the dimension of magic invaded Azeroth to... Seal the magic of the Well of Eternity which was just a nether leak in the first place."

Steal* It would actually make MORE sense if they were trying to seal the well in order to keep more magic in the Nether.

For what I'd run for friends: Establishing a defensive line to keep the scourge from spreading shortly after TFT.

Gotta unite troops coming up from Stormwind and Ironforge with Stromgarde remnants, Wildhammer dwarves, reasonable members of Alterac, Lordaeron living remnants in Southshore/Hillsbrad, Blood elves, the Forsaken, possibly that crazy old furfag wizard or even Gilneas itself. Plus Theramore, Horde, and even night elf forces trickling in to see what they can do.

And that's not even including Goblins, Forest trolls, Ogres, Gnolls, Kobolds, and hell maybe even Sasquatch.

Oh and an expedition of Dark Irons under a Shadowforge Senator's "Fact-finding mission" that's really just a bunch of Thorium Brotherhood sympathizers embezzling military goods to the north.

Hell, maybe some Ex-Dark-Horde mercenaries with em if you want Firegut Flamestrike Ogres and such.

>Noth them but: I'd probably keep the "Faction War" as a much slower burning series of skirmishes and proxy wars despite both sides actively trading.

Vanilla was exactly that and it was great. Much better than the THIS IS THE REAL DECISIVE WAR RAAAAGH shit they have been pushing since because everyone knows it will just snap back to status quo.

>Nightelves maybe not joining the Alliance outright,

Wrong. The orcs, humans and night elves were all allied at the end of WC3 but then the orcs went full retard because of quality writing. It makes perfect sense in every possible way for the elves just trying to return to the world stage.

>An army of demons from the dimension of magic invaded Azeroth to... Seal the magic of the Well of Eternity which was just a nether leak in the first place."

Those are later retcons.

I was thinking they'd be "Allied" but only somewhat loosely.

Since we're avoiding anyone going *full* retard I'd keep them less interested.

>>An army of demons from the dimension of magic invaded Azeroth to... Seal the magic of the Well of Eternity which was just a nether leak in the first place."
>Those are later retcons.
Pretty sure "Demons eat magic," "Demons wanted the Well," and "The Nether is made of magic" were in the WC3 manual but I may be wrong.

Last I knew the Nether was the place where reality sort of falls apart into different realms and the conflicting forms of magic that occured there was what caused demons to be born from different energies mixing together in unholy combos.

>just came out of 10k years of seclusion
>your land got ravaged, your armies decimated and your holiest site rekt but you managed to stop the demons with your new comrades at arms
>unfortunately, it turns out the green one is retarded
>the other guy on the other hand has everything, trade, military, knowledge of the larger world and also has a history with the green ones
>might as well ally him and ease your re-integration into the mortal world


The nether, demons, and all sort of things were retconned atleast eleven times since WC1 but the general gist is the nether is this vast ocean of magic energy that sometimes spawns demons at its depths but they need powerful portals to gain access to worlds in numbers. Sargeras also definitely needed the well as a gateway.

Like i said, with less bad writing the Nightelves don't have the Horde pushing them quite as hard into the Alliance.

So they stay semi-aloof and associate with both when needed.

Just my personal idea for a "Shortly after TFT" campaign.

I dont get why people push that "aloof night elves" shit so much. It makes zero sense. The Long Vigil was over, the druids all woke up, the World Tree and their immortality(along with the other dragon blessings) were gone and even their ban of arcane magic didnt mean jack shit anymore. They were a damaged polity trying to get their feet under them, like everyone else in vanilla.

On the other hand, a lot of early material really DID imply that the balance of power within the Alliance, especially military is shifting towards them as the humans and dwarves are all struggling even more.

Then it got retconned with all their amazonian feral themes and greco-roman inspired shit

And that's pretty much GW fault for being Fucking retarded. Blizzard wanted to make warhammer video games and GW being the shortsighted retards they are refused the offer. So blizzard said alright fuck you I'll make my own games, with black jack, and hookers.

Refusing a partnership with blizzard was the single greatest mistake in GW history.

I just want you all to imagine that world of warcraft could have been warhammer fantasy, star craft could have been 40k.

England, when will they learn

Dwarves weren't exactly damaged other than Moira's "Kidnapping" early on.

And when I say Aloof I'm not meaning full "EX IMMORTALS ONLY SHORTIES GET OUT REEEEEEEEEE" Just slightly more neutral, trying to keep mysterious enough that they could use misdirection if the three-way-alliance started to break down.

>And that's pretty much GW fault for being Fucking retarded. Blizzard wanted to make warhammer video games and GW being the shortsighted retards they are refused the offer. So blizzard said alright fuck you I'll make my own games, with black jack, and hookers.
Not exactly, Blizzard said they wanted to make one and then kinda decided against it because the price would be too high to license it, they never really sat down to work out a deal in the first place.

Their resources were strained as well, dealing with the trogg invasion, the dark iron incursions, blackrock orcs, helping out the Aliance etc and all their lands were also devastated and occupied by the orcs(except Ironforge of course) only about twenty years ago. They still have their shit relatively together though, I really liked how peaceful and comfy Dun Morogh and Loch Modan felt back then.

True, they had to deal with Dark Irons, Troggs, and worst of all: Gnomish refugees. (Sure they don't TRY to shoot you up, blow you up, disintegrate you, or run you over with trucks, it just kinda happens by accident.)

Man imagine if Blizzard and Creative Assembly worked together, that would be amazing.

Though if there is one thing that I wish they did bring back was the whole family tree from Medieval times, it was interesting to see what type of characters you could create with traits and marriages.

Last hitting give gold, not exp. Though dota doubles down on this by letting you last hit your friendly minions to deny your opponent exp.

>Overwatch is LITERALLY TF2

Can this meme stop? I don't even like Overwatch or TF2, but the games are barely similar, their literal only similarities are some game modes and that they are cartoony, class bases shooters. It's like saying Battlefield is the same as Rainbow Six Siege because they share some game modes and have a modern military aesthetic.

>80% of WoW was good
>anything beyond Vanilla wasn't just playerwank power fantasy nonsense

Negro I loved TBC and WotLK, but come on. The moment players started to kill off major characters the lore went to shit.

And I'm still fucking angry about the disservice the writers did to one of their best characters, Kael'thas. The height of "elves are the fucking best" douchery gets beaten once and goes crying to fucking demons to suck them off for their fel cum? Fuck off.

>Negro I loved TBC and WotLK, but come on. The moment players started to kill off major characters the lore went to shit.

Havent seen this flavor of whining in ten years. Yes. Major lore characters can die and even can be killed if its fitting and moves the story forward,

Kael was just a cunt too. A whiny little crack addict in Wc3 who gets locked in a meth lab and gets so used to it he sucks demon cock for his fix. Its depthlessly funny how people took him for a hero because he was pretty and had a nice voice. Hell, they even gave him the most onedimensional, racist strawman as a foil to make him look better but the TFT human campaign was a tale of douches backstabbing eachother. Then in a bizarre turn of events blizzard decided to make that strawman absolutely right in everything, just because.

I am still mad that the WoW comic's Onyxia fight didn't have the faceless alliance knights/footmen wiped out by one of them panicking and drawing in the whelps.

I think that would have alleviated a lot of the complaints about Varian "Stealing our kill."

Despite his addiction he still upheld his end of the bargain with Maiev, then called her out for lying about Tyrande.

He was a pretty cool dude.

>many whelps, left side, NOW HANDLE IT

Kael'thas wasn't a hero from the player's perspective, he was a hero to his people. He was a fantastic leader who made difficult decisions when they had to be made and looked only to restore the Blood Elves to their former glory as High Elves. His fucking motto was "elves da best" and then in WoW they just threw all of it away. Fuck I wouldn't even be angry if we did just kill Kael'thas, it was the added fuck you to people who gave a shit of turning him into a wretched before downgrading him to 5-man endboss level that upset me.