What’s the most scholarly of generic-fantasy classes?

What’s the most scholarly of generic-fantasy classes?

I’m stuck between think it’s either the Wizard or Priest

probably wizard, a priest needs faith first and charisma second, while a wizard can ditch these completely in favor of intelligence, wisdom or whatever the scholarly stat is in a given setting

Anyone who takes a lot of ranks in Knowledge/ Lore/ whatever scholarly skill your system has.

You don't need to be smart to be a scholar, you need to be learned.

>You don't need to be smart to be a scholar, you need to be learned.

What’s the difference

smart is intelligence, aka the raw processing power of your brain
learned is knowledge, aka the amount of information you know

Intelligence is an inherent ability, learning is not.

Your peasant might be more intelligent than scholarly monk but never learn how to read. He might be very adept at reasoning and understanding the world around him through his perspective but lack any codified knowledge.

The monk, on the other hand, might even have 8 Int but being taught how to read and having spent 30 years poring over various texts he's probably 10 ranks deep into Knowledge skills.

It's natural talent vs hard work type of thing, except intelligence is a lot less defined than, say, being good at a particular musical instrument.

Well the monk, obviously. Because knowledge & wisdom need to be beaten into people.

wizard

priests are too dogmatic

>Not playing in a system that had the Scholar class

There’s where your confusion is coming from.

These aren't in line with IQ Research. Intelliegence is a measure of interdisciplinary success with all discipline specific influences removed. It is, among other things, an upper limit on learning capacity. It's also genetic, which is why IQ research isn't popular anymore.
>except intelligence is a lot less defined than, say, being good at a particular musical instrument.
Intelligence is the single best defined psychometric we have AND every other psychometric is measured with the same tools.

Generic fantasy-classes, not generic-user-who-cares-about-IQ standards.

Why not just write your own scholarly class, to whatever definition of "scholarly" you care to use?

It's not difficult.

They're pulling semantics out of their ass. You can't have meaningful discussion without established (or establishing) grounds for discussion.

In 4e the majority of common men don't kniw rhe first thing about bears.
Archivists (non-Core) or Bards (Core) for 3.5
Magic-Users for TSR D&D post Dragonlance.
The enigmatic not!Christian Clerics of pre Dragonlance where more into distributing knowledge than the MUs.

Neither of them.
The barbarian is the best scholar of them.

Explain

Barbarians know what bears are without having to roll.

Its a fantasy game, you don't need scientific terms, you just need functional understanding of what intelligence means in an RPG, which everyone here seems to have other than you.

You could pick just as much of a fit over what charisma really means. I'm sure there is a way to measure charisma to an incredibly precise unit. You coul nit pick the exact definiton of wisdom, and argue that there is no such thing, only intellect. Hell you could argue what a human is given that they can breed with elves, orcs, demons, and dragons.

Or, you could look an a mirror and realize that you are the one being semantic, and accept that its a fantasy game not written by jordan b peterson.

Wizard=Priest. Half the invocations in most wizard books consisted of different names of YHWH.

The definitions in those examples aren't stellar, but the distinction between IQ and learned knowledge is still meaningful. They're certainly correlated, but that doesn't rule out someone with high IQ and very little education or vice versa.

Rolled 17 (1d20)

>but that doesn't rule out someone with high IQ and very little education
Yes, that is not ruled out.
>or vice versa.
No, that is ruled out.

Rolling insight (+1) versus your bluff.

He knows intuitively about his surroundings, while wizards and priests spend their entire life stuck into some dark tower reading shitty books.

I bet your typical tower dweller doesn't even know how to make a spear with dragon's bones.

Neither. It's the sage/loremaster.
It has been around or at least hinted in most editions of D&D, there's always one in every JPRPG, and it's also a major narrative component in the monomyth and traditional narrative variants.

Assassins are a class. Spies and Sages are not.