>This is a game about larger-than-life, impossibly competent superheroes in a high-magic, high-powered, high-fantasy setting.
>The protagonists are impossibly competent both in and out of combat, highly skilled at fighting in some way, and gifted with a cornucopia of preternatural superpowers. They adventure in a reality wherein magic and other mystical phenomena are ubiquitous, the many planes of existence and their myriad inhabitants frequent impact the lives of the masses, and gods and similar cosmic lords are known entities and major power players.
>There are always beings of far greater might, magic, wit, and influence than the heroes; yet fate conspires to ensure that said heroes are those who regularly dictate the fate of entire regions, nations, continents, worlds, and planes. More often than not, the protagonists must do battle to resolve a climactic conflict and save or damn countless souls.
Why is it that if you described a game this way to D&D and Pathfinder crowds, you would get players and GMs (though mostly GMs) balking at it for being unbelievably ridiculous and over-the-top, when this is a description of the baseline assumptions of D&D and Pathfinder?
>The protagonists are impossibly competent both in and out of combat, highly skilled at fighting in some way, and gifted with a cornucopia of preternatural superpowers. You seem to be forgetting about the existence of Martials.
Oliver Lewis
>>There are always beings of far greater might, magic, wit, and influence than the heroes
You seem to be forgetting the existence of Wizards.
For real though, if you're gonna complain about DnD, just play something else, before the DnDrone defense squad shows up to throw a fit that someone dares say anything bad about their game of choice. Even when they're the ones who make half of these topics in the first place.
Ayden James
>You seem to be forgetting the existence of Wizards. Gods and outsider lords beat wizards.
Connor Reyes
Only one of those is me though.
Jaxon Thompson
>you would get players and GMs (though mostly GMs) balking at it for being unbelievably ridiculous and over-the-top Few people care cares about DM opinions, far less about GM opinions.
Henry Hughes
Sounds like fun to me. Exactly what I want out of a game like D&D.
Then again, my favourite edition is 4e, which IMO is the version which most embraces that sort of pulpy high fantasy, rather than just accidentally supporting/implying it.
Cooper Ortiz
4e has no world changing wizards.
Noah Brooks
...yes it does?
It just ensures that other classes have the potential to change the world, too. High level rituals, utilities and epic destinies have all kinds of cool shit in them.
Cooper Allen
I'm a Pathfinder GM and I don't see how any of the things you listed are wrong or bad.
Liam Adams
>bumping a troll thread
Who, but trolls themselves?
Easton Brown
Wrong. The only thing that beats Wizards is GM. Wizards can easily overpower even the strongest gods.
Julian Harris
>falling for memes about a game you don't play
Nathaniel Russell
Look, if we're talking about 3.x/pf, then Wizards can absolutely BTFO an entire universe with relative ease. Or are you going to argue that a wizard can't defeat a god by pummeling it to death with three exact clones of said god?
Jack Myers
>The protagonists are impossibly competent both in and out of combat, highly skilled at fighting in some way, and gifted with a cornucopia of preternatural superpowers.
This is only true in heretical WotC editions. True AD&D does not suffer from such hubris.
Austin Ortiz
>if we're talking about 3.x/pf
Then gods still beat out wizards by a mile.
~99% of the deities in Deities and Demigods have Alter Reality.
I don't see what's wrong with your description, granted I play 4E and enjoy the pulpy, big damn heroes moments. I do have a problem with your shitty weeb crap though.
Nathan Hall
>pulpy, big damn heroes >shitty weeb crap We go hand in hand.
Isaiah Campbell
Honestly, sounds more like basic assumptions behind playing game of FATE rather than anything else.
Michael Morgan
I've got the former without the latter in my game.