How do you put a fresh spin on ancient egypt?

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Brown catgirl gods control the black Egyptians and white Jew slaves from their flying pyramids.

Just play them straight without the alien wizards or catgirls. If anything, make them good with clockwork machinery, simple chemistry and other sciences.

The gods actualy give animal features to their followers.

Bastet gives cat ears, tails. Horus gives wings, feathers, etc.

beastmen races mingling among the humans would actually work well in think context. they could even be tieflings with animal featues that act as the priesthood due to "divine" ancestry.

This but with animal heads (and tails)

>delicious brown catgirls (Bastet)
>big gator musclegirls (Sobek)
>overwhelmingly smug lolis (Thoth)

> (OP)
>Could you NOT have selected an image which frames a child in a sexual context? God.

He did?

It's probably just French. They have a knack for making children stories that look questionable by standards of any other country.

YOU WALK LIKE A FILTHY EGYPTIAN!

You really can't.

Egypt is a culture so defined by their circumstances and aesthetics that divorcing from any of that loses you a lot of it.

That's why there's no real subtle Egyptian influences. it's always space/spooky/future/insert-adjective Egypt and it's blatantly obvious.

>bring /pol/ up already
This thread is done

You add card games

I'll take a thoth to go, senpai

Replicate the circumstances of Egypt, not the aesthetics.
>a regular natural event boosts fertility in the region
>a lot of superstitions spring up around making sure this continues to happen since you're basically screwed if it doesn't
>this makes the region able to produce far more food than any of their neighbours
>the excess means they could support skilled workers and scholars much earlier than their neighbours
>proceed to conquer or absorb a lot of surrounding land as a result
>as your administration grows the superstitions you had to keep your food produce up become more and more cemented in the laws and functioning of your society
>changes to these also become very taboo
>the idea of preserving history is therefore also of vital importance
>since all your farmers don't have anything to do in the time of the year when not farming you have a lot of labourers
>large workforce+skilled engineers+culture focused on venerating the past=fuckton of monuments
>the political and economic stability all this brings means you stick around far longer than any other empires kicking around
decide on the specifics of the above outline, in a fantasy setting there's a bunch of options for different spins on that

And here we have the virtue-signaling projecting pedophile

It's a DreamWorks movie user.

>Fresh
user, that was 15 years ago.

why put chromatic aberration on a drawing?

Hermeticism. Its nowhere to be seen nowadays. Actually egypt is a cradle of western esoteric traditions and nobody uses esoteric theme now except a bit of lovecraftian things and specific settings like mage and unknown armies. Bland fantasy magic everywhere.

Not him, and you're right that that picture should not trigger any posts regarding sex or sexuality.

But this is Veeky Forums and OP knows damned well that's what he's doing.

The best we can hope for is nobody taking the bait and a thread actually discussing Egypt.

Economically powerful, but bureaucratically and politically stagnant empire.
Something that's lost a lot is that the Egyptians were really really resistant to change and actually fairly isolated by natural barriers preventing much outside influence.

>with clockwork machinery
>No

Egypt had a very interesting social philosophy, Maat, which was also a goddess. The philosophy of rectitude, not merely justice - upholding social peace and harmony by upholding reason and right retribution. This is basically how Egypt survived 6000 years as a nation when all the other equivalent disappeared, because they understood that the only way to prevent rebellion is to institutionalize justice and rectitude.

In opposition to most interpretation of people associating Egypt and jewish slaves or whatnot, ancient Egypt was a very good place to live. Far better than Rome and Greece in the following eras. Being just and 'nice' wasn't only a moral question - it was a religion, to batter Chaos away. The poorest peasant still had rights and was listened, religiously, because it was felt Maat needed social peace and justice, no matter your position in the social ladder. Slaves were very well treated. Women were very, very, very well treated even by the standard of our time.

It just worked.

So play the real Egypt. Play the Maat philosophy.

One word: Hyksos.

>That's how Egypt survived 6000 years
Most of these were under the rule of a foreign power who needed the nile for food.

>Ancient egypt was a very good place to live
If you were a scribe, priest or of the royal family, sure.

>The poorest peasant still had rights and was listened
So too in Rome and Greece

Egypt was also conquered more times than a whore in a whorehouse. I would hardly call that as "surviving", and not only that, I would hardly say that it lasted so long because of their religion. In fact, it's because the Nile is extremely fertile and extremely stable, compared to other river civilizations, which fell every time there was a flood or drought up until and including the collapse of the bronze age.

The most advanced communities developed in areas that shared two common characteristics. First, these communities needed a river to provide a reliable water supply. Without a river, agriculture would never be able to displace hunting and gathering as early civilized man's primary food source. Second, they needed a physical environment that allowed farmers a degree of protection from threats. Terminal desert valleys possess these characteristics. Such valleys are normally broader and flatter than upper-valley regions, allowing for more reliable river flow and easier irrigation, while the desert nature of the areas reduces the predator population, provides substantial barriers against invaders and limits the ability of the labor force to migrate elsewhere.

It should come as no surprise that the three original human civilizations — Sumeria, Egypt and Harappa — were all in such regions. Such protection allowed early cultures to develop and advance. In time the bickering Sumerian city-states were overcome by the Persians, while (most likely) an earthquake shifted the course of the Indus River, ending the ancient Harappa civilization due to drought. The Nile, however, granted both superior insulation and a more stable hydrosphere, drawing rainfall as it did from two separate catchment basins. These critical differences allowed the Egyptians to gradually unite and reign undisputed over their lands for roughly two millennia.

By 6000 B.C., humans were living in communities all over the Nile's course. These communities were considerably larger than most of their contemporary communities in Africa or Asia, and were already taking the first steps from dry farming (without irrigation) to wet farming (with irrigation). By 4000 B.C., these communities had shrunk in number but increased in size and had become city-states. By 3600 B.C., copper had been developed, raising food production per unit of work, while advancements in pottery allowed for the limited storage of food surpluses. Growing populations led to more sophisticated — and larger — political systems. By 3200 B.C., the Nile cities had consolidated into three kingdoms: Thinis, Naqada and Nekhen. For the next 200 years, these three entities maneuvered against each other for domination of the Nile between the Mediterranean coast and what is today the city of Aswan. Records are sketchy, but it appears that Naqada was conquered in war while Thinis and Nekhen merged diplomatically and together formed Egypt's first pharaonic dynasty.

For the next 1,400 years the Egyptians dwelt in the isolation their desert borders granted them and honed their culture. Known as the Old and Intermediate kingdoms during this time, the Egyptians faced no serious external threat, and their dense population and cutting-edge (for the time) technologies allowed them to easily repel whatever enemies emerged from the desert. This was the age of the pyramids.

but it's worth bearing in mind that when they were conquered, the new rulers just called themselves Pharaohs, the place remained Egypt, and the culture remained largely the same, it's rather interesting in that regard

Don't forget about dry air, which makes it harder for viruses to multiply and spread, and makes paper not get wet and dissolve.

But the pyramids were symptomatic of Egypt's ancient problem. After unification in about 3000 B.C., Egypt faced no competitive pressures. The days were always sunny; the river always flooded in the spring, bringing with it fresh sediment; Egypt's deserts always stopped potential invaders. There was no impetus for change. Egypt may have been thriving, but it was also stagnant. The dominant technologies — complex irrigation techniques, language, writing and bronze metallurgy — had all been developed in Egypt's pre-dynastic period, when the kingdoms of Thinis, Naqada and Nekhen were struggling for dominance. Most notably, during those struggles the early Egyptians had no time to construct the massive pyramids for which they would in time become famous.

Once unification was completed, the competitive pressure that had driven Egyptian progress evaporated. Instead of developing new technologies, Egypt's captive labor supply was used to celebrate their culture. The only ostensible competition Egypt faced was the effort by each generation of rulers to build more and grander monuments than those who came before. The result was an explosion in art but little else — the age of the pyramids was in reality the long, slow decline of Egyptian civilization.

It didn't remain the same after Alexander rolled in, and later the arabs.

DICK WASHERS

KANGZ

The mindset of eternal stability was so deeply entrenched that when ancient Egyptian scholars discovered that they had failed to account for the extra day in leap years, instead of adjusting their calendars they decided it would be less disruptive to wait until their calendar — too short by 0.25 days annually — simply cycled all the way around again, a process that took 1,461 years. When that day arrived, the Egyptian leadership declined to make the adjustment since, from their point of view, the inaccurate calendar had triggered no deleterious events in the past millennia and a half. A more modern example indicates that this mindset is mostly unchanged. Egypt began producing cotton in the first half of the 19th century, but it was not until 2005 that Egypt took the next logical step and began producing textiles.

This complete disinterest in advancement did not so much retard Egypt as stop completely its social, political, economic and military evolution. And as the rest of the world caught up to Egypt, it became an easy target for anyone who was advanced enough to cross its desert buffers. The first foreign invaders to make the trek were the Hyksos in 1620 B.C. who are defined in history by this success, their name even deriving from the Old Egyptian words heka-khaswet, meaning "rulers of foreign lands." It is from the Hyksos that the Egyptians picked up some of what are in contemporary times considered Egyptian cultural symbols — such as chariots. Little else is known of the invaders (aside from the fact that their rule of Egypt ended around 1530 B.C), suggesting that they were not particularly powerful players in the early world.

Egypt's experience with Hyksos rule did shake the pharaohs from their complacency for a time, giving rise to the New Kingdom, a 500-year span in which Egypt partially adopted many of the technologies that had become commonplace elsewhere in the world. Bolstered by the still impressive isolation of its core territories, Egypt used those technologies to expand to its greatest geographic extent, stretching from the site of modern-day Khartoum to the Syrian-Turkish border on the Mediterranean. But while Egypt was still powerful, the culture of complacency remained deeply entrenched. And the new technological revolutions — sailing ships and iron — required wood to produce, something Egypt and its new territories had very little of. From 1000 B.C. on, Egypt was clearly in decline.

But most important, the world had moved on and the isolation granted by Egypt's deserts could now be overcome quite easily by far smaller powers. Invasions, often successful, came frequently. Aside from a few brief periods of sovereignty between the mid-17th century B.C. and the late 4th century B.C., Egypt has been dominated by outsiders. This list includes some of the most influential powers in world history: Nubians, Assyrians, Persians (on three separate occasions), Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, Arabs (under a multitude of different empires), Ottomans, French and British.

I think so.

>I-it's French
>T-they are deviants
It's American. And is not sexual at all. In fact, it's from fucking Mister Peabody.

The real line should read "Just American anons. They have a knack for making everything sexual and confusing rest of the world with their retarded puritan standards"

Make em Kangz

>And here we have the false-flagging straw libtard trying to start shit on Veeky Forums
Fixed your post, omae.

all i can think of is a fresh prince of Egypt as a setting now

Meanwhile, the US is the only place on the planet where deliberately infecting someone with HIV isn't a crime

>inb4 someone claims the test subjects weren't people

Alright, you tell me how to deprogram hundreds of years of Protestant tradition and indoctrination, in a population of over 300 million, in the course of even a single CENTURY, never mind a single generation, and doing this without causing a civil war among people who take the whole "immortal soul" business seriously.

>test subjects
Not even mate. In California's gay subculture there's something called "bugchasing" or whatever. It's something about a bunch of gay turbodegenerates deliberately giving others HIV (either by using syringes or simply by having sex with them without informing them that they're HIV positive). Recently California decided that isn't a crime because criminalizing a slow and painful form of murder is "homophobic". I wish I was making this up.

washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2017/10/09/knowingly-infecting-others-with-hiv-is-no-longer-a-felony-in-california-advocates-say-it-targeted-sex-workers/

You can even fucking donate blood now without having to inform anyone that you have HIV. In California a surgery can literally be more lethal than whatever it's supposed to cure.

>all that

and they call religious people backwards

>America is the only Protestant country on the planet
>Catholics generally don't take not having sex before marriage more seriously than Protestants
>Catholics don't believe in an immortal soul
Sorry m8, it's just America.

Reminder that necromancy is against the rules in the real Egypt. Don't deny people their proper afterlife, and don't save the evil from their just punishment of oblivion.

That's California. They're batshit insane there. They also don't want to enforce border laws, to catch criminals or to prosecute illegal aliens who commit crimes.

BAT. SHIT. CRAZY.

>Implying there is societies where necromancy allowed.

That's what happens when no matter what you do, no one takes you seriously until they've been bombed to hell. Usually by you.

You go a little crazy. See Rome for another example, but replace "bombed" with "trampled."

On a more on-topic note, they already had contraceptives in Egypt, but if I recall correctly it was crocodile poop. Good thing the stuff used today is less gross, right?

>what is Sylvania

A silly place.

What the FUCK are you even trying to say with all of this? Are you implying that "unorthodox but presumably somewhat effective contraceptive method" is comparable to "deliberately infecting someone with AIDS is fine and implying otherwise is homophobic"? Please tell me you're intelligent enough to see these are two very different things.

As for Rome, even in Rome with its very limited understanding of medicine you generally didn't leave a hospital even sicker than when you entered it. You were either cured or you died of whatever was ailing you in the first place. To Romans, and to all civilized folk in the history of humanity, it was unheard of for someone to enter a hospital for an otherwise risk-free routine operation and to leave it with a lethal disease.

I was trying to say that never being taken seriously tends to drive you a little nuts. The contraceptive bits had nothing to do with that, it was an extra note to be more on topic.

The Rome bit was about how nobody really took them seriously either, until the legions were stepping all over their faces and the Republic had eaten an entire sea.

Thats actually not the case
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis

I think plenty of people have entered hospitals and come out with other sicknesses, not to mention infections. Hospitals are full of sick people.

The HIV thing sounds like someone is deliberately trying to infect people though, which is psycho

>Sylvania
>Society
>Laughingoldworlders.jpg

>what is ermor

Do What I Did and have settlers from more "advanced" areas show up from other parts of your fantasy world to make a Wild West frontier inside your ancient Egypt.

It's AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA is what it is.

>Brown
her hair and sleeves are brown.

>Grainshed of the Mediterranean
>Delicious brown beastgirls
As if the Romans needed another reason to invade them.

I tend to look at other settings handling the period first and then try to differiate from that. Though that one place in Golarion and Amonkhet aren´t that good a place to start looking. Other than that, maybe just some sort of theocracy with an beastman/human population? Gnolls are for me for example just the neighboring arab stand in.

You're not wrong

He’s definitely not wrong

In essence: Egyptian religion and society was the first one we know of to stress that it's not enough for you to be Lawful. You also have to be Good.

It's also the first religion we know of that had a dichotomy of positive and negative afterlives, entry to which depended upon how you acted in life.

Its Mesopotamian contemporaries held that everyone went to the exact same drab, colorless afterlife that was neither reward nor punishment; and for the Greeks, only the most notable and legendary heroes got to enter the Elysian Fields, everyone else went to Hades.

In Egypt, meanwhile, if you were a good person in life then your afterlife was going to be a good one where you were rewarded for your goodness and piety. If you were an asshole in life, then you were going to suffer, or even have your soul destroyed.

>Alexander

That would be in the late 300s BC. United Upper and Lower Egypt was already three millennia old by that point, and Egyptian culture as a whole nearly six thousand years old - by 5500 BC you already had the Badari culture kicking around the area, using stone and copper and making high-quality ceramics. The Amratians (4000 to 3500 BC) were already trading up and down along the Nile, most notably for obsidian from modern Ethiopia.

But even using "just" the united Egyptian culture of Menes/Narmer dating to around 3150 BC, that would mean that by the time Alexander rolled into town Egypt was already older to Alexander than Alexander is to us by nearly a thousand years.

That's wrong, though. All they did was remove the law saying infecting someone with AIDS on particular was a felony. Intentionally infecting someone with anything has always been a crime, they just removed an exception to sentencing.

Someone needs to kill that fucking duck.

uneducated chan here, whats the regular natural event?

>Intentionally infecting someone with anything has always been a crime
Unless you're donating blood. Then it can have as much HIV as you can fit in there.

flooding of the Nile happened on a very regular basis and made all the surrounding land very fertile

The Nile floods like clockwork every single year at the same time to more-or-less the same degree, almost never too little so as to caught drought and famine; and almost never so much as to cause destruction.

>like clockwork
Isn't that the reason why calendars were invented in the first place? To predict the tides and check when it's best to reap and when it's best to sow?

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>That oversized head.
>Thin plasticine arms.
>These overly long fingers.

This thing is hideous.

Scelaria/C'tis are better examples but memes I guess

Ermor is more popular.

So memes, I guess.

Yeah, because they screen the donations after they're collected and throw infected blood out. Screening while the donor is there would take too long.

it's not more popular just more powerful

This is really interesting. Thanks.

Ramses the 2nd, the guy in the bible, had red hair.
Also exposed tits were fashionable.

>You can even fucking donate blood now without having to inform anyone that you have HIV.
What the absolute fucking shit.

>Screening while the donor is there would take too long
Considering the test is made BEFORE you donate in every non-3rd world country on this planet... yeah, go figure. I guess it again checks in that US of A is a third world country with first world tech and few pockets of civilizations here and there.

The fuck has Bible to do with anything? Especially Ramses II?

Ramses II is almost certainly not the Pharaoh of the Bible. Firstly, assuming you're referring to Exodus, the Bible never refers to that Pharaoh by anything other than his title. Secondly, most Biblical chronologies place Exodus as around 1500 BC, but Ramses reigned from around 1303 to about 1213 BC, two hundred years later.

The Pharaoh around 1500 BC was actually either Thutmose I or Thutmose II.

This is leaving aside any other archaeological considerations concerning whether or not the Plagues happened, of course.

Exodus. Ramses is one of the Pharaohs theorized to be the one mentioned there.

This way you can get ANY agrarian culture on this fucking planet. Any.
You could use those points to as well describe Sumerians, Chinese, Dravids, Aztec and Maninka.

Somewhat similar, but not exactly like that. Calendars are very useful for agriculture, since it allows to keep track of time and thus evaluate when you should be planting your seeds and/or expect specific weather. In other words - they help to organise work that relies entirely on being organised (I know how stupid it sounds, trust me)

As long as the blood IS tested, does it really matter WHEN it's tested, as long as it's some time before it's put in another human being?

user, are you complaining about people posting pictures with their post?
I've noticed a contingent of you guys bitching every time someone includes, well, pretty much anything in the OP picture.
Especially things that have classically been known to draw attention and start conversation.

In short, why are you complaining about basic marketing like everyone has their dick in their hands? This seems like one of those culture war smear jobs.