Eclipse Phase

>Jovians let their soldiers have back ups if they are going in a dangerous mission.
>The jovian republic have the best healthcare in the entire solar system.
>The jovians are the only ones that might actuall stand a chance in case of TITAN invasion(firewall)
>They don't reject technology, just regulate it so you can use it with special licenses.
>Under the jovian vision, the rest of the solar system is populated by people that were copied into computers and then claimed they were full persons, a reasonable and truly scary philosophical concern mixed with AI paranoia.
>The jovians, even though they set up puppet goverments and their citizens have several restrictions they still have a secured hause and a goverment funded jobs starship troopers style(civilian/military branches) for 2 years that can be extended voluntarily.
>They have a parlament with people pushing for different ideological fronts, from aperturism to warhawks so its not exactly a total dictatorship of one voice.

this is now Jovian Invasion threat
Glory to Man, Death to Transtrash!
From Saturn to Mars the path leads to reconquista of Earth and restoration of humanity's true home.
youtube.com/watch?v=AHVsszW7Nds

If that's Jovian propaganda, why is the family white?

Reminder

As long as humanity would keep its computer technology level to 50s-60s it would have been safe.

Majority of settlements besides some on Luna and brinker ones are too far gone in their technodeviancy and threat to continued existence of humanity.

I believe the only proper solution is for Jovians to conduct a decisive first strike with RKV's, basically slugs propelled by anti-matter Orion drive mounted on one of Jovian moonlets.
Hit all the major bases and setlements with RKVs. Hit major PC operations with RKVs. Fuck everything up so much that it can't operate and can't be put back into action in a short amount of time, then round it up with anti-matter saturation bombing.

Remaining transhumanists will have to be hunted down and defeated, for peace and order in Solar System.

Once this is achieved Jovians can restructure Solar System and with humans surviving limit its development to sane technological levels with morals taken from golden age of human civilization in the 50s.

>The jovian republic have the best healthcare in the entire solar system.
>people still die of sickness in the republic
>best
>health
>care

Here's my question, how the fuck can the Jovians have a cancer epidemic AND the best healthcare in the entire system? I get that they don't want nanobots running throughout their system for fear that they could be hacked, but wouldn't they at least be able to treat any cancer as soon as it pops up?

You can't have health problems if you're dead.

>tfw the Jovians will usher in a future of cold war style technological advancement

this delusional shit is as bad as the anarchwank in the actual game

>implying jovians have access to antimatter in any meaningful capacity
>implying the PC wouldn't immediately go to defcon 1 if the jovians even
>implying the jovians would be able to survive a full scale war with the PC
>implying the anarchs wouldn't do the same
on the bright side, that might be the only thing that gets the anarchists and PC to work together

Can we all agree that Jovian soldiers are basically the equivalent of someone taking 10 moxie in their character sheet?

>>implying jovians have access to antimatter in any meaningful capacity
Actually the do and books state this several times.
They have the largest antimatter producing facilities in Solar System.

>This factory is the primary source of antimatter for the Space Force’s antimatter drives and is heavily defended given its strategic value.
as braindead as they are, i doubt even the jovians would spend starship fuel to build a retarded bond villian tier doomsday weapon that would bring the full might of every single power in the system on their heads if intelligence showed that they had even thought about doing something like that

I'm not that user, but the Jovians don't represent fascism, they represent the current world (and thus, normalcy) in the context of Eclipse Phase. They're very comparable to any 1st world nation today, the only reason they're viewed as "evil" is because most of the people talking about them are literal anarchists.

The NPC supplement had a template for Jovian soldier who had 30 Moxie points IIRC, but I think it was an error.
Keep in mind that Jovians are highly skilled, experienced soldiers supported by again, experienced and skilled intelligence and some of the best scientists in Solar System

That doomsday weapon is what would keep factions from attacking them. Mutually Assured Destruction at its finest.

>some of the best scientists in Solar System
o i am laffin

>Space Force
This is how I play Jovians

youtube.com/watch?v=wKZfwih-3dM

>The NPC supplement had a template for Jovian soldier who had 30 Moxie points IIRC, but I think it was an error
That wasn't an error, that was a badass.

>o i am laffin
You know, the ones who create
>TITANS
>Antimatter fueled destroyers
>RAND Institute
>Basilik Hacks
>Enslaved AGI's
>come from top echelons of military RD from Pan-American Union

deal with it

This is how I play Jovians

youtube.com/watch?v=0SjgYMLJW0k

>I'm not that user, but the Jovians don't represent fascism
I like to imagine Jovians as Reagan's America on steroids in futue with all the Star Wars imagery and visions being true, the average Jovian soldier being representation of heroes from 80s cartoons like Mask or Silverhawks
>youtube.com/watch?v=2CqemAT4iwI

youtube.com/watch?v=SdtcK1Qs2K4

so tell me what brand new advances in technology have these star scientists created after being absorbed into the republic? new and creative ways to die of cancer and starvation?

Don't forget dysentery.

I'd say that's pretty accurate, albeit with a much darker tone (not because they're bad guys, but because from their pov they are literally the last bastion of humanity left).

I mean, we live in some of the most prosperous and free systems ever created, yet have you ever met an anarchist that doesn't call the system evil and wish to send it all crashing down? And those anarchists are the "protagonists" of Eclipse Phase, the ones whose pov we see the most.

>That doomsday weapon is what would keep factions from attacking them. Mutually Assured Destruction at its finest.

>Continuing transhuman military build up has called into question our ability to survive and respond to a transhuman first strike, it is time to for a bold new stroke in strategic planning

youtube.com/watch?v=uLDK0G4Wktc

>so tell me what brand new advances in technology have these star scientists created
You.

Would jovian firewall agents autistically screech the second they're brought out of their country? How do they function with the frankenfreaks?

>so tell me what brand new advances in technology have these star scientists
Most likely
>basilisk hacks
>backdoors to morphs utilizing Titan technology
>active exchange of information with Factors using outer solar probe they communicate with
>anti-matter weaponry
>infiltration of highest ranks of transhuman threat with sleeper agents using Titan technology
>Gate implosion technology

So help me understand Jovians a little better. All the memes aside how do they interact with the rest of the solar system? I imagine you don't have too many people farcasting out of Jovian controlled space into other polities on a regular basis as that's probably reserved for high ranking govt officials and wealthy business types. Do other other groups trade non bleeding edge tech with them or are they super isolationist. What reason would anyone with sympathies to the Jovians have for living outside of it at all?

>How do they function with the frankenfreaks?
They have threat matrix and allowable modifications based on threat. Most spec-ops and soliders are allowed very wide arreay of changes.
Imagine you are in computer game where NPC's think they are real. This is how Jovian operator views transhumans.They have no doubts about eliminating transhumans because they realize these are just corpses animated by software and not real humans.There is no shame in lying, killing, exploiting a dead software.
And a transhuman is just that. A dead software you can use how you like.
This is the Jovian mindset.

>Do other other groups trade non bleeding edge tech with them or are they super isolationist.
I don't think there's a lot of trade going on, but Jupiter is right in the middle of an important trade route, so the Jovians take a toll on passing traffic.

>What reason would anyone with sympathies to the Jovians have for living outside of it at all?
Jovians attract two kinds of people, bioconservatives, and people who want governments and nation-states. People who like the former, but not the latter will likely choose one of the lesser known biocon habitats instead of going to the Jovian Republic.

i didn't know the SCI had access to Veeky Forums

>All the memes aside how do they interact with the rest of the solar system?
In the canon the Jovians are pretty moderate, and places like Earth orbit and Luna are very similar in terms of regulations on technology and views on transhumanity. LLA is actually very bioconservative and possible ally. Reclaimers are another faction they are relatively friendly with.
There is also a subtle hint they are engaged in intense discussions and negotiations with Factors, while using IIRC Jesuit mission as a smokescreen(they use an old extrasolar probe to communicate with them instead)

I keep wanting to try and get into this but I hate the politics of the devs and I can't get over the idea that people willing to kill themselves just because they have a copy of themselves.

I could see them and the factors being an ally, didn't the factors warn transhumans to avoid AI? Or was it gatecrashing? Or too much transhumanism? I can't remember.

>I can't get over the idea that people willing to kill themselves just because they have a copy of themselves
There's literally a penalty to your sanity for doing so, it's definitely an unnatural thing to do.

They want humanity to stop using AI and warned against using Gates, although one supplement has Factors attacking team after it moves through the Gate.

Gatecrashing.

That said, i'm the user who asked as I'm trying to get a better mental image of how the universe works. Personally i dislike the idea of the gates because they just seem really random in my opinion. Could the setting work without them? I understand their existence could be just as tenuous as the true nature of the TITANS but something about the idea of gates and gate crashing seems like an afterthought

Ah, okay. In that case they might find common ground with the Jovians, and if the Factors are militant enough (as your supplement suggests) they might even ally with them should the solar Cold War go hot.

if all of this is true then you jovetards have nothing to complain about, considering how much retarded shit they gave the 'biocon' faction

Don't confuse bioconservatism with pacifism.

Assuming they have the volume and feedstock for it, can fabbers make different items at once? For instance, fabbing up a knife and a gun at the same time instead of a knife and then a gun.

For me, imagining a scenario where TITANs are man-made makes me think of the Warminds and SIVA from Destiny and could comparatively fit in some ways

I assume so.

>infiltration of highest ranks of transhuman threat with sleeper agents using Titan technology
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>gate implosion technology
you fucking
what mate?

>being ruled by states
>not being ruled by the DOSH
fucking poor "people", I swear

>being ruled by money
>not being ruled by SJW opinions

>anarkiddos have more fun, jovians can't resist (their boipucci)

Aren't they supposed to have magnum dongs?

but user, I identify as an attack helicopter, and I'm gonna be the one who fights the PC culture war to buy Jove's dignity

>best scientists in Solar System
so you admit there's a TITAN living in the jovian atmosphere?

and the greatest achievement of TAHIs super advanced R&D division, dank propaganda memes

Isn't the propaganda minister of the Jovian Republic literally a Firewall agent?

>There's literally a penalty to your sanity for doing so, it's definitely an unnatural thing to do.
Not actual suicide but the idea that just because there's a copy of you around you're immortal and stuff. If you die you''re dead a backup of you is just a cpy and you're still dead.

No, firewall sucks at infiltrating Jove. OZMA agent is more likely.

True as that may be not everyone is able to have infinite backups though right? I mean, some wage slave on mars who's recently acquired a decent splicer morph and is making payments on it isn't going to be foot loose and fancy free with it casually throwing themselves off the domescrapers for funsies

Except what the Factors actually are and what they actually want isn't set in stone. Several options are presented, such as them being cagey representatives of a galactic community of post-ETI interaction civilizations, or just galactic vultures that managed to survive their ETI event and go around looting the corpses of civs that didn't.

So right now the Solar Cold War more or less consists of:

Team 1:
Jovian
Lunar Lagrange Alliance

Team 2:
Planetary Consortium
Morningstar Constellation

Team 3:
Autonomists Alliance

Wild Cards:
Ultimates (likely to stay neutral)
Factors (likely to stay neutral, but might ally with Team 1)
Minervans (will probably ally with team 1 should the war go hot, but for now they're not recognized as allies)

The LLA is way closer with the PC and and MC than the Jovians. The LLA and Jovian Church have some things in common, but the Jovian Republic doesn't actually support reclamation, even though a number of people living there do.

The MC is also fighting a soft power war with the PC and probably LLA for the right to really be an independent power, so they shouldn't really be considered an ally in the event of a solar system wide struggle.

IMO teams is too simplistic, the wants of the various powers aren't coherently aligned enough to make them real teams. Sort of like how the Jovian Republic and Autonomist Alliance were sort of allies for the Second Battle of Locus, with the Republic threatening to send ships in order to keep the Planetary Consortium from expanding their influence in the Jovian Trojans.

But if Hyoden heated up between the JR and TC then the web of alliances reworks itself and the Jovians find themselves much closer to vaguely state capitalist powers like the Consortium and LLA.

Boy it's been a while since I got to say anything about EP politics.

Would the Ancaps in the belt through their lot in with the PC or the AnComs?

Probably the ancoms, they're already a part of the AA, and the PC really hates them for being a safe harbor for pirates (mesh and "traditional")

They're definitely not essential to the setting, and I can see how mankind having access to FTL and extrasolar colonies makes some of the game's threats seem less apocalyptic.
Like the Factors, the gates seem deliberately disconnected from the rest of the worldbuilding - easy to cut out, or modify, to the GM's contentment.

Does anybody have the Mussolini reaper image?

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Thank you.

And how exactly did they manage all this post human technology without posthumans?

Where is Titan in all this?

>not being ruled by both
It's like you sympathize with the Autonomists

I assume you'd never play Star Trek either, what with transporters doing the same thing

Part of the Autonomists Alliance

And I assume you've never watched it as that is expressly not what happens. There is complete continuity of consciousness with transporters, something that is actively a plot point in an episode.

The way I think of it is that the transhuman concept of consciousness is totally different than ours. "You" is the force that is actively pursuing your goals through the system. As long as there is a you, things are okay. Mind yo, restoring from backup is a fucked up thing that isn't to he taken likely. It isn't like people are totally down with offing themselves and restoring from backup all the time, unless they are exhumans, who are basically fucking insane.

Anyone interested in second edition? What do people think of the changes? The role-playing exchange has a recording of their gen-con panel they did, some of the changes sound interesting. It bums me out that I spent money on a few books I haven't gotten a chance to use, but it sounds like the new books will have some kind of conversion guide.

Anyway, it sounds like the new game might he easier to get new players into, so I'm interested in that. I love bits of the setting. I think it's unfortunate that the devs seem like they are codifying things a little bit, but the setting is big enough that it's easy to just ignore the shit you don't like.

I just want to run hard sci-fi delta green in spessssssss!

I'm looking to get into eclipse phase but I'm going to wait until second edition is out. It was supposed to be released a month ago, what does the release schedule look like now?

>Daily reminder that the Jovians are the only faction held back by reason.
ftfy

Insanity is the distillery of thought enabling humans to achieve the unthinkable.
If only one man reaches the singularity our machines already know it is worth sacrificing the rest of the species. They can be made anew.
Anyone who disagrees is a narrow minded fool.

What's the point of Venus being its own independent polity? It doesn't seem like they really do anything notable other than FLYING CITIES IN THE SKY~

Pretty much everybody except for the Jovians runs on the idea that if it walks like you, talks like you, and jerks off in public like you, then it might as well be you.

Gameplay-wise, it gives the players a chance to start again, and gives the GM a chance to fuck around with the players. Like, you get instantiated again, but because you died the villain's plan went off without a hitch and now you're running around doing damage control. Or your backup comes to life, but then finds out that "you" are still walking around doing things, and you have to figure out what the hell happened. Or the party simply gets another chance to try their mission, but now whatever place they have to break into is even more heavily guarded.

That is a good point. But then they are sort of like the other half of the Planetary Consotium so maybe they are good with other groups where PC isn't and are capable of providing similar industrial capacity.

That's how I've always imagned it. The other part is actually having reasons to go there since everything bad seems to happen around the outer systems and mars. Perhaps rather than focusing on being Firewall agents stationed on Mars why not start them in the inner system?

Neotenics a best

I disagree.

>complete continuity of consciousness

This is somehow important to you? Dude, I don't think I'm not me just because I had two weeks worth of binge drinking.

As a setting element, they provide Inner System variety from the Consortium (which otherwise dominates all major locations and politics) and they're a conflict-zone for the Consortium-Commonwealth Cold War. Because they're in conflict with the Consortium too, you can use them as an antagonist in PC games, or as a place to be from when the PC is the antagonist. Thematically they're an example of a less villainous capitalist state than the PC, and with the indenture slavery there's just enough evil that players can feel they can fix (the PC can often be too large and villainous for this).

There's a creep I know who cannot go a week without mentioning his hermaphrodite neotenic. Neotenics can be conceptually interesting but they're far too easily turned into some creepy magical realm stuff by players.

Fun fact
>TITANS consider subtely supporting Jovians against transhumans their equivalent of shitposting which they enjoy
>Jovian agents are given extra luck and power by quantum level manipulations of reality during their engagements with Firewall

youtube.com/watch?v=fHkG-HWc4PM

Two of them have feminine penises.

Well, we don't know the extent of the TITANs abilities so who's to say they arn't manipulating the biocons and then implant ideas into their heads when it's convient to create some kind of tech that allows them to more easily infect bog standard humans.

We do know that a lot of the Jovian leadership are full transhumans, so the tech to subvert them already exists.

You are brought onto the Posthuman Studios team to work on Eclipse Phase 2E. Specifically, you're involved in faction design.

You are given the power to add a faction of your choice to the setting of Eclipse Phase, at the cost of removing a faction that occupies a similar sociopolitical space. For example, creating a primarily bio-conservative faction will require you to remove the Jovian Republic or another faction with similar themes from the setting of Eclipse Phase.

What faction do you create and what faction do you remove? Write a basic summary of what you'd make, no need to go into a great amount of depth.

>We do know that a lot of the Jovian leadership are full transhumans, so the tech to subvert them already exists.
>implying it's not the other way around, and it's Jovians who are subverting TITAN thoughts
They created them after all.

>And how exactly did they manage all this post human technology without posthumans?
>he doesn't know
kek
Jovian research, military, intelligence and political class is wholly made from post-humans.
They see it as sacrifice to protect their human flock.