So the Emperor was alive in the Golden Age of Technology, but he wasn't leading - sure, fine...

So the Emperor was alive in the Golden Age of Technology, but he wasn't leading - sure, fine, he was just banging thicc Eldar chicks or whatever. But why is that someone so psychically powerful and knowledgeable of Chaos would not think "gee Slaanesh is coming so I should make sure to keep a full STC database handy in case things go south". Seriously, this was common shit back in the day, I'm sure Emps had some sick interstellar yachts full of all the best goodies, but he couldn't be bothered to make a backup of important shit? Not even when he would have seen the fall of this age coming?

As a secondary topic, what do you think Emps was actually doing back in the good ol' days?

Stop thinking too much about wh40k's background. GW sure doesn't.

Backups are for pussies. A true Chad like Empie won't take such cowardly measures.

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Three things.
One, Emps had a plan, more or less. FUCKING Horus wasn't a part of it.
Two, Emps didn't bother making a backup plan, because he had a good plan he was in the middle of finishing before FUCKING Horus fucked it up.
Three, he was probably speaking to people in positions of power via visions and other bullshit so as to lead humanity without rubbing his taint on humans directly. Well, figuratively directly, he was literally rubbing his taint on hotties directly all day.
Three and a half, Emps taking over and running things himself WAS his backup plan, after humanity proved they couldn't do it themselves.

1) The Emperor is a bimbo. Every single plan he makes is an epic failure. The most likely cause is that the ritual which spawned him as a hivemind of a bunch of undead druids simply left him too incoherent to actually be effective. No matter how much raw intellect he might have, he's too scatterbrained to see anything through.

OR

2) The Emperor is a bastard. He didn't rule in the Golden Age because humanity was far too strong to be subjugated. Of course he has an STC database, but he kept it to himself to keep humanity from recovering its strength and freeing itself - a dangerous gamble which blew up in his face.

OR

3) The Emperor is preparing to make humanity into a new Chaos God, a psychic hivemind centered around himself rather than a primal emotion. Horus Heresy went exactly as planned, creating a situation where humanity indoctrinates itself for fanatical, unthinking obedience. This again requires keeping humanity teetering at the edge without quite going over.

OR

4) 40K is a bit of fluff for a boardgame, and as such has only accidental internal consistency. Your question is equivalent to going cloudgazing, seeing a castle there, and then wondering why its walls have such wide windows.

>Of course he has an STC database, but he kept it to himself to keep humanity from recovering its strength and freeing itself - a dangerous gamble which blew up in his face.
But he didn't have such a database, because otherwise he wouldn't need the Mechanicus. Emps was working with basic bitch technology on Earth.

>It was a good plan
>A single person turning traitor cascades into enough consequences for it to fail entirely
>Despite being old enough to see shit like this happen uncountable number of times
40kids please keep you shitty lore in containment threads thank you

The chaos gods are actually just AIs created by humanity during the DAoT, and they fled into the warp when humanity won the war against the Iron Men. (The rest of all chaos fluff is propaganda invented by Lorgar.)
However when fleeing, they infected all the STCs with a virus that destroyed them, which is why it's impossible to find an intact one.

40k would be massively better were this true.

Nobody has ever accused the Emperor of not being arrogant, user.
The plan was a good one because the Emperor himself came up with it, not because it was actually a particularly effective or reliable one.

>the Emperor wants humanity to prevail on its own, so he leads from the shadows
>the Iron Men rebellion almost destroys humanity
>Terra, where the Emperor presumably is at the time, degenerates into warlords slaughtering each other in the wastelands of human civilization
>the Emperor emerges and unifies Terra, but apart from his Marines and some more isolated states, it's a shithole
>the Emperor realizes shit is about to go down for humanity
>decides that the only way for humanity to survive is to destroy/weaken Chaos
>to do this, he throws literally everything he can into war mobilization, conquering all human planets, gearing them for total war and then suppressing religon to starve Chaos
>the problem is, He is too far removed from humanity
>he can't predict that his sons would still have human flaws and would be susceptible to emotion
>he doesn't realize that humans need a higher power to turn to, so people start worshipping him
>a shitload of other Chaos fuckery happens
>all of his long term plans are fucked, he can now only damage control

Basically it was a shitload of bad luck, the Emperor not realizing not everyone can be as pragmatic as him and Chaos fuckery.

Don't think much about it, it's 40k after all.
Probably most writers didn't thought about it

The psychic gestalt makes him like the twitch plays pokemon guy

I want to fug the empress

>40K is a bit of fluff for a boardgame, and as such has only accidental internal consistency. Your question is equivalent to going cloudgazing, seeing a castle there, and then wondering why its walls have such wide windows

This. 40k lore is just an excuse to give some kind of context to why space knights are fighting space elves and space orcs. Only the broad strokes are at all consistent. The details get reconned with practically every new rule book and codex. Not to fix problems with the canon, but because the writers don't give a fuck about trying to maintain any sort of canon.

it's implied in one background piece that he created psychically resistant warriors and they turned on him in Outcast Dead.

Be aware that your pelvis would be reduced to dust.

Emps wasn't doing a lot prior to the Age of Strife, he'd begun preparing against Chaos due to that one event where a warp rift showed up in new york and a dude with a Chainsword beat the shit out of Belkar- which somehow resolved itself, but was taking it's time.

Then the Age of strife hit, and everything he was working towards long term got fucked, Ebay went down, the Internet died, all of his internet accounts went defunct, then Tzeentch, during this Period turned Bill gates into Nyralathotep and permanently made Technology unsuable.

So Emps using his powers had to do everything manually in the crudest means possible. Reunification, Primarchs, the works- everything from there on out was an uphill battle that got Mankind, despite having better teach to livable standards of 1900's Britain at least- and again, this is the work of a Shut-in who was probably Diogenes, so he only had to work with tidbits from the cultures he actually influenced/took a part of, but ti's clear given his Holier than thou attitude, the last time he ever took up a direct position of leadership was when He accidentally made the Jews a thing.

Jesus may have been an Early Sensei- makes sense in retrospect- and Genghis Khan, Oda Nobunaga and that one other guy is now a Greater Daemon of Khorne so some bizaare shit went down in China no doubt- I.E Emps in a Dynasty warriors game.

Again, though, he was the backup plan for stopping the ship of mankind from sinking, was overworked, and was also, a massive social retard- he did his best for mankind, and gave them a chance at not fucking themselves over.

Despite maybe setting them up to get fucked in at least four ways than one by unintentionally allowing Tzeentch to get rid of the Malal- who would be able to push the reset button on the Warp to the Realm of souls by it's very nature, securing this it's own version of an Imperial Truth, the Primordial Truth, which worships it's other brethren as a unit, thus omitting Malal.

Worth

>Implying she wouldn't heal you for round 2

Aw, but the canon is fun. Besides, I need for it to be coherent because I want a big budget movie, dammit.

>We have made this thread six times before.jpg

What would be the consequences of fucking the Emprah?

You would have to take responsibility.

>A single person
The demi-godlike son entrusted with leading the great crusade. It really was a fucking huge betrayal.

It wasn't a single person turning traitor. It was 50%

>thicc eldar chicks
I don't understand. Can you demonstrate?

...that's fucking hilarious, actually. Emps is just a psychic Twitch Plays Pokemon.

Only tangentially on topic but, is DAOT supposed to be better or worse than pre-fall eldar?

I mean their tech base is like a weird mix of old one and Necron since they're are a psychically active race while having the advantage of studying the corpse of the void dragon pretty much since they were space capable.

It seems like from what I've seen of lore that the Eldar are supposed to be stronger but every time some DAOT tech shows up, it pretty much BTFO everyone but the designated protagonists.

Kinda seems like depending on the writer DAOT jumps between the Imperium but better to literally gods.

The pre-fall Eldar were the most advanced race in the galaxy at the time. DOAT humanity had a lot of really powerful tech but none of it came close to the high level stuff the Eldar had access to at their peak. The problem is a lot of that stuff got lost or destroyed during the fall and the various Eldar factions lack the ability, knowledge, or infrastructure to reconstruct them.

Craftworld Eldar are the descendants of the Eldar version of space hippies. They were travelers and traders that were away from the empire for long periods of time so they probably never had access to a lot of the advanced tech the Eldar empire had at its height. Even still they can pull out some real bullshit tech when they need to. Hell the Craftworlds themselves are an engineering achievement unmatched by any other race aside from maybe the Necrons.

Exodite Eldar are basically space Amish so they're even worse on the technology front and they can still give most Imperium forces a solid run for their money.

Dark Eldar are the ones who retain the most technology from the pre-fall Eldar. They can construct entire cities in the Webway, can grow servants and soldiers by the truckload, and Vect likes to send his enemies a black-hole-in-a-box as a gift. Even as fractured, diminished, and backstab-happy as they are they're still probably the most technologically advanced faction in the galaxy aside from Necrons.

So some DOAT shit can match and even surpass Eldar tech but its like the humans are sending a top of the line main battle tank out to fight what to the Eldar is a decades old armored van with some scrap bolted onto it.

It's something like
>Pre-Fall Eldar
>Pre-Fall Human
>Post-Fall Eldar
>Post-Fall Human

For example, the Ark Mechanicus Battleships the Techpriests use are actually AIs and one was able to 1-shot an Eldar ship by -literally- teleporting it back in time when it dodged.

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If all the fluff on the Emperor is to be taken as true then the only possible explanation for the things done and not done is that Emperor is in fact pic related.

He was a huge autist so yes

>entrusted with leading the great crusade
Don't remember Lorgar having such privileges.

thisthisthis. Warhammer used to be just the broad story of what happened, and that was fine. You didn't have to show anything, you could just tell it. You could tell that the Emperor is infinitely wise and powerful, and you don't actually have to show it because the narrative isn't that detailed. But this all changed then GW started churning out books that went too much into detail. The writers weren't capable enough to give realistic and fitting reasons for why everything that happened. The Emperor became a legitimate retard. Horus became a legitimate retard as well, and gullible as fuck. Warhammer is very much a "tell don't show" setting.

Thinking like that is why Rome fell and why every Empire falls eventually.

He tried to make backups, and learn as much as he could.

Thing is, DAoT humanity was really advanced. The Emperor, even with all his power and knowledge, simply didn't have enough time to learn everything he needed to learn. Not to mention that even though he's aware of vast amounts of things, he still does have specialities of his own, e.g. biology and genetic engineering.

When discussing the tech levels of the Dark Eldar, it is pertinent to note that they can and have pulled entire SUNS into the webway to serve as rave lighting for their parties.

>The plan was a good one because the Emperor himself came up with it, not because it was actually a particularly effective or reliable one.
You do realize how incredibly tautological this is? "It's a good plan because the Emperor is infallible and he made it" is not an argument, it's the sort of mindless regurgitation that emerges when decades of fans missing the point stop seeing "PRAISE DE EMPRAH" as a mockery of a fascist theocratic hellhole and start seeing it as a jolly good idea.

You missed:
5) "The Emperor" is actually a leftover DAoT weapon/pseudo-custodes with delusions of grandeur and/or advanced memory loss, and doesn't really have the capabilities he claims too have