>There had to be some state that wasn't something people could just change. My solution? Beards. The original card was named something like Hairy Beeble, and it had Beardwalk, which meant it couldn't be blocked by someone who had a beard. I figured that wasn't something people could easily change. Would someone somewhere shave off their beard to block? Maybe, but hey, not often, and it would make a funny story.
>Then one day, Elaine Chase (vice president of global brand strategy and marketing) played in a playtest. One of her notes was that beards were a bad thing to reference as for the most part only men could grow beards. I pointed out that having a beard was a negative thing, so it could only hurt you—meaning that not having a beard would never create a drawback in the game—but she made the strong note that it made women feel unwelcome, as it wasn't something they could interact with, even if it was only a negative thing. That was a really good point, one I was frustrated that I had missed, so I changed the card from caring about beards to caring about glasses.
>This, by the way, is an important reason why you want lots of different people playtesting your product, because it's essential to get many vantage points. Things that aren't apparent to you can be very apparent to others, and it's key that you get that insight. I would much rather realize my mistake in playtesting than after the product has shipped.
Noah Hughes
>TALKEN ABOUT BERDS MAEK PEOPLES UPSET 'CUZ DEY DON'T HAVE BEARDS CUZ DEY CUNNY!!! I don't have a degenerate vision so I don't use glasses, I now feel excluded from mtg along the grand majority of people, whom are not born with damaged eyes and don't require glasses.
Jonathan Cox
This is a legitimately good point that she made. If you had cards referencing football stuff, it would make people who weren't familiar with football feel unwelcome. I agree with the decision. It's best of all cards are capable of being fully utilized by all players.
Hudson Nelson
Should've been hair that goes past your shoulder.
With Magic's demo it's equally likely for male and female players and would include beards
Jacob Morris
does hanging sunglasses on your shirt collar count as "wearing glasses"
Gabriel Cox
>women can't grow beards
What kind of misogynistic shitlord would say something that ignorant?
Isaac Fisher
>as for the most part
Kevin Ross
What a retard.
Jackson Cox
>most part only men could grow beards
Wow what a sexist thing to say.
Jack Morales
>it’s a fun edition with rules that don’t take the game serious >sjw filth naturally take it serious and have to bitch and complain until it is changed
Ryder Reed
I like how people are bitching about MUH SJWS when having a beard was a BAD thing for the original version of the card. Women would have had an inherent advantage playing Unstable.
Also most people aren't born needing glasses. There are a lot of causes for poor eyesight that can be fixed with glasses, and there's also people who have poor eyesight that don't wear glasses because they either wear contacts or had laser surgery. Or just don't wear glasses when they should.
Charles Sanchez
>it’s a fun edition with rules that don’t take the game serious >playtester says something isn't fun >REEEEEEEEEE
Anthony Bell
>I like how people are bitching about MUH SJWS when having a beard was a BAD thing for the original version of the card. Women would have had an inherent advantage playing Unstable.
People are bitching about SJWs because every decision re: this card was an SJW decision. Quote:
>she made the strong note that it made women feel unwelcome, as it wasn't something they could interact with, even if it was only a negative thing
Jackson Reed
By that logic, doesn't it now make "people without glasses" feel unwelcome?
Connor Nguyen
Nobody cares about the "people without glasses" demographic because it's not explicitly gendered.
Liam Powell
>"glasses matter" >no cards with 3D print talk about missed opportunity
William Martinez
>Wear glasses >Have a beard
Fuck me, right?
Juan Phillips
I am not wearing glasses, the card is not fun to me... now what?
David Smith
I don't get this. Jokes like beardwalk have existed in games since forever, and this is a clever one. If someone says "Women can't interact with this rule" the response is "Yes they can, they can tease their opposition for playing a card that doesn't work on them, just like any other equal human without a beard."
If someone says "women gain an advantage with this card" the response is "So? Children also gain that same advantage."
Is Wizards of the Coast prejudiced against children...?
Aaron Adams
>I like how people are bitching about MUH SJWS when having a beard was a BAD thing for the original version of the card. Women would have had an inherent advantage playing Unstable. That's kind of the whole reason people are bitching: It's a shining example of how utterly batshit crazy SJW logic is. This woman bitched about the card giving women an advantage, *on the grounds that it was unfair TO WOMEN*. On what fucking planet does that even begin to make rational sense?
Carson Phillips
Anyone can wear glasses, not everyone can grow a beard.
Adam Russell
People who lack ears through injury or deformity can't wear most glasses, throw in a missing nose and they are fucked.
Imagine some horrible burn victim playing M:TG only to be fucked by this card at an event because he physically can't wear glasses.
How is this better than most women getting a pass on a card that punishes beards? Hell, many women DO have facial hair, they just find it unappealing and remove it.
Christopher Cook
I honestly wish more of these joke cards mentioned physical traits like beards, nose lengths, hats, dumb stuff like that. Un-tournaments would be filled with people wearing silly disguises. It would be great.
Sebastian Bell
I don't blame SJWs for this
I blame soulless corporations trying to make a safe, bland, lowest common denominator product
Chase Ross
This is a change that took zero effort, takes nothing of value away from the card, and will cause a very small number of people to enjoy the game just a little bit more.
Of course Veeky Forums hates it.
Dylan Ortiz
This is what they should have hoped to inspire. Phrase it in a way that encourages even more fun.
Hudson Torres
It's not about the change itself, it's about the toxic culture that led to the change being made in the first place.
Nathan Torres
Is there a more non-falsifiable statement than "it made [Protected Group] feel unwelcome?"
Hudson Gonzalez
Jesus fucking Christ, you people will find literally anything to complain about, won't you? Sure, it's a stupid-ass reason to remove beardwalk, but winging and crying about The SJWs over literally every small fucking change made to your pieces of cardboard makes you all come off as a group of fucking six-year-olds afraid of getting cooties. First the art, and now this.
Grow the hell up you whining, idiotic, gaping cunts.
Jose Torres
Hello, I have what you refer to as damaged eyes and I am not offended by your accurate assessment of my inferiority, because I am a goddamn adult.
Josiah Baker
>Sure the decisions are stupid and the art sucks, but you're all whiny children for refusing to buy our garbage. Whatever you say, Elaine.
Jackson Diaz
Jesus fucking Christ you people are so insecure.
Thomas Evans
Complain about the actual problems with Magic, like the fact that the game's been shooting itself in the foot over and over again since BFZ if not earlier in terms of actually /being fun/.
All this focusing on 'muh SJWs' is drawing focus away from the fact that the current /mechanics/ are garbage.
Dominic Russell
I think we all agree the game is bad right now for a variety of reasons, whether you want to blame the poor choices on political ideologues encouraging nepotism or a soulless corporate machine demanding sanitized pablum. If the mechanics suck and the art sucks and the card quality sucks what's left?
Nathan Torres
The game has been doing better every year, both their diversity marketing strategy and the mechanics seem to be well liked, regardless of what dumbasses on Veeky Forums seem to think about the company "shooting itself in the foot over and over again".
Connor Hill
Stop insulting your customers, Elaine. Veeky Forums is where your customers go speak their minds.
Eli Jackson
Veeky Forums is where insecure neckbeards go to pretend they're an oppressed minority whenever they're reminded non-white, non-male, non-cis, non-straight people exist. A story that amounts to "hey, this mechanic highlights that you don't think women play the game" has you people gnashing your teeth at ess jay doubleyus like it's the Two Minutes Hate.
Camden Cook
Calm down, Elaine.
Cooper Taylor
>Can't just buy a fake beard and wear it to handicap yourself. I wonder what this play tester thinks of the old Unhinged card that gave you bonuses for wearing women's clothing?
Joshua Cooper
Standard has been losing more and more players as time goes on, people are movong to pauper, modern or commander. This isn't good for business at all
Adrian Reyes
Yeah no, if you're outraged at this change, you're a triggered MAGAfag that thinks everything should be your hugbox.I look forward to exclaim "In response" and put on shades.
Jack Lewis
Why not make both cards for beeble tribal?
Parker Hall
Because this set is the shadow of what the former UN-sets were, and that making more than one beeble would get in the way of "muh worlbuilding wacky but not too much playtest set".
Just because I don't mind the change doesn't mean I don't think as a whole, unstable is super bland compared to Unhinged and Unglued.
Nathan Wilson
>do I wear the swirly goggles and investigator cap combo for my m'lady deck, or go capless in case my opponent plays a hatwalk card?
Ryan Taylor
>grow the hell up Oh shit son! You gonna tell me I'm fun at parties, I get lots of women like that? Or maybe you'll tell me to man up? How fucking ugly are you lmao
Daniel Sanchez
>not just going with denimwalk Why
Asher Ramirez
It would have been as easy as swapping the clause to be unblockable to people who WEREN'T wearing glasses as it was cast. And then you do similar things that trigger off of other clothing (hats, shorts, ascots, etc). Have one that gives a bonus of the opponent doesn't have an eye patch. Do you tech against the glasses? The eye patch? Or do you go for the sick "myopic pirate" look to cover your bases? Fuck, now I'm actually upset.
Leo Murphy
That sounds like such a good time. Goddamn. Take some risks wotc.
Luke Wood
Agreed. Veeky Forums spergs out over the most basic human decency.
William Lewis
so instead to be politically correct they made a card that is only effective against the the visually impaired and out right makes fun of them
Oh Tumblr. look what this ablist asshole did
Kayden Cox
nows the chance Veeky Forums throw them to the dogs, let wotc get a taste of their own medicine as the SJW menace cannibalizes them you could save all things Veeky Forums just by letting pointing the SJWs in the right direction
Brandon Kelly
Hurloon Wrangler was a fun idea, but the problem was it wasnt very hard dor peo0le, if they were serious about it, to take off their pants, which is not something wizards wanted to feel like they were encouraging. So they made a card that captured the fun part of wrangler with less removal of pants
Nolan Hall
More men than women wear jeans. Sexist.
John White
>Then one day, Elaine Chase (vice president of global brand strategy and marketing) played in a playtest. One of her notes was that beards were a bad thing to reference as for the most part only men could grow beards. I pointed out that having a beard was a negative thing, so it could only hurt you—meaning that not having a beard would never create a drawback in the game—but she made the strong note that it made women feel unwelcome, as it wasn't something they could interact with, even if it was only a negative thing. That was a really good point, one I was frustrated that I had missed, so I changed the card from caring about beards to caring about glasses.
How petty and insecure are american women that a reference to a beard makes them feel unwelcome?
Julian Perez
That's the thing. Take a survey of female mtg players and like 5% might have any issue with beardwalk. That's 5% of 10% of players affecting design decisions. That's the problem. Not oh no swj ruined it, but Hasbro catering to tiny demographics just for the optics of it.
Xavier Miller
It's how liberal-leaning people operate.
The problem with the Democratic party every election is that they had a separate platform for each demographic and minority. They had a different message for each group designed specifically for them. The Republican party on the other hand had a single message for all Americans. And it's strange how that works out because the Democrats typically are mostly about "we're all in this together" except their message was so focused on how we're so different.
The right thing to as people is to do the best thing for most people then focus on the details.
The best thing was to implement And then when the topic of whether women would feel excluded by it comes up, you ask yourself if the people who are drawn by the love of the game are repulsed by one small detail that holds so much more power than everything else that's good are worth caring about. Because they're not. They're sensitive babies. Because the liberal dream of a sanitized environment where no offense is made is a barren shit environment that is neither fun or funny.
I agree with Chase's idea that beards aren't neutral enough. However, her reasoning that it offends and excludes is the worst fucking reasoning imaginable, it's like saying that women are offended that they are NOT 100% of the population every time they walk down the street. And that women are so petty to be offended by simple biological differences between men and women.
Nathaniel Campbell
>There had to be some state that wasn't something people could just change.
Here is a better card:
Good Boy - 1B Creature - Rogue Good Boy can't be blocked except by black or artifact players. 2/2
Logan Sullivan
What counts as an artefact player? Does a pacemaker let you count as a cyborg and hence artefact? Do spectacles?
Nathaniel Price
Better:
>Black or equipped players
Ayden Thompson
This is a travesty of flavor and mechanics. Elaine Chase is an idiot, I'm not explaining why.
Luis Watson
Bots, if you play online
Hunter Turner
I never thought I'd see the day where I would enjoy seeing nerds seething over something as insignificant as a children's card game.
Leo Phillips
Calm your tits Elaine, it's just a game
Jack Young
>MaRo is constantly virtue signalling over how mtg ackchually has so many female players >his subconscious makes a mechanic on the presupposition that Magic is pretty much a male game
Watch what they do, not what they say.
Kevin Jones
you're actually at a disadvantage if you don't wear glasses when playing against the beeble
Cameron Brown
Maro described his feelings about the Unglued release event as "Oh god, what I have done" specifically because of this card.
Caleb Young
Reaching pretty hard my guy
Easton Gomez
not even the old un-cards are safe. pic related from the rosewater's blog.
what is it about transsexuals and MTG anyway? whenever i hear about some woman or female player in magic, 90% of the time, they turn out to be a tranny. does the game attract them somehow, or does it turn men into chicks with some weird estrogen magic in the card ink?
seething over childrens games is literally the defining trait of a nerd
Cooper King
>Complaining about a culture being toxic >On Veeky Forums
Cameron Martinez
>feel unwelcome fuck off with your infantile fee fee mindset
Carson Hill
>does it turn men into chicks with some weird estrogen magic in the card ink?
it's dietary
Ryan Perez
How would we prove that at least N people in the room arent just still in the closet in terms of gender?
Henry Young
that's a pretty good point. how do they imagine the games to play out like that? one person going from person to person, asking each one "excuse me, what gender do you identify as?"
gender theory was a fucking mistake
Bentley Russell
What if you have to deal with one of those extremely rude "everyone is a little bit gay. I get to tell you what you are." scumbags?
Sebastian Fisher
do specifically magic players eat more soy than people with other hobbies? what is it about magic in particular?
Ian Allen
Everyone eats soy. It's a protein, filler and stabilizer in so many processed products it's not even funny.
Anthony Wright
i mean, you're reaching pretty hard too if you're saying people will feel bad just because they can't have a creature become unblockable against them
Jordan Powell
Only guys really get into this game on its own merits, it is a game fundamentally about collecting things (male trait) and then a direct competitive conflict (females tend to shy from this) using some basic mathematics and mechanics (working out how things work is usually a male trait)
Women are primarily social, so they will tend get into it to be around their friends/partner, maybe they will keep going as long as they like the people around them, for them its not really about the game (its mechanics and collecting aspect) more about the social aspect
The only people who will properly stick through a mediocre social experience but will stay for enjoyment of the ACTUAL GAME MECHANICS is men... have you noticed the trannies are generally of the male to female variety? ie. they have brains that developed as males (I'm not aware of any FtM players myself)
Hence the "prevalence" of trannies, the (few) women in the hobby just leave because the actual game is boring to them and the social experience will inevitably change when people leave/new people turn up, leaving only the trannies as the face of the female gender
Nathaniel Richardson
Pretty much this. Having a beard would have been a disadvantage and would have been funny to see the bullshittery at play. It would have been even more funny to see who would shave just in case they came against this card.
William Russell
The point wasn't that it was unfair to women, but that the joke excluded them and thus made it feel like "yeah, this is a game for boys."
Xavier Phillips
Man, I'm glad I don't have to deal with people constantly bitching about the stupidest shit.
Jayden Morris
Again though, does it exclude children by that logic? Women are included in that mechanism by default as being non-bearded. They ARE included.
A lot of people get off on being offended these days. It's not good.
James Adams
>does it exclude children by that logic? The game is marked 13+, user.
Michael Cruz
Maybe it's just because I, as a man, physically can't grow a beard but the idea that beardwalk tangibly would effect any woman is pretty laughable. It's just corperate bullshit happening for corperate bullshits sake and some Woke Ally HUMBLY AND BRAVELY sharing his story (making sure to put himself down during). Let's see some cards that do give advantages to beard havers, it doesn't state that is needs to be a real beard. Fake beards also have the advantage being toggle-able, essentially. You can state "fake beards count" and there. Problem solved. This proverbial unwelcome woman is now included and the joke is improved. But of course, this this is ritual public Ally maturbation everything before it must burn. How else will people know you listened and believed? It really isn't a big deal, just a bit disappointing and pathetic. I do want to see a fancy dress expansion though that gives bonuses and negates depending on what your wearing >when this card is played pick top hats or smoking pipes >come in with a beard/glasses deck and get your ass handed to you by a red/black anti glasses vampire teeth deck
Nicholas Mitchell
>it wasn't something they could interact with, even if it was only a negative thing >it wasn't something they could interact with, even if it was only a negative thing >it wasn't something they could interact with, even if it was only a negative thing >it wasn't something they could interact with, even if it was only a negative thing
Anthony Davis
Whelp, time to remind people that I identify as a A-10 Thunderbolt.
Jack Nguyen
>it is a game fundamentally about collecting things (male trait) i thought in the hunter/gatherer dichotomy, the gatherers were the women. and it's called magic the gathering. hmm.
Cameron Richardson
>this card will never be reprinted because manlets might be triggered
Nicholas Johnson
>4UU for a Brown 6/14
meh
Logan Parker
>size 14 fucking bigfoot
Camden Ramirez
UU for a 6/12? Sounds reasonable.
Cooper Allen
Oh no, it costs more the older I am, not the other way around. Then meh.
Easton Roberts
This card will never get reprinted because silver border doesn't get reprinted
Adrian Scott
>she made the strong note that it made women feel unwelcome, as it wasn't something they could interact with And I'm sure there was a huge outcry from r/redpill about SJWs ruining their card game in between fishing leftovers out of their neckbeards and lodging another piss bottle under their panniculus.
Robert James
I was about to ask if you were a time traveler who will be born in 20 years.
And if so, please tell me things get better ;-;
Kayden Hernandez
Holy shit. When did Hasbro's designers go so far off the deep end? At least nipponese card games don't have to deal with this made by committee socjus bullcrap.
Jace Allen
...
Jackson Reyes
Yeah too bad they're all shit
Kayden Sanchez
Stuff like Wixoss is still leagues better than anything Hasbro does these days which is the sad part.
Tyler Mitchell
I think the fact that it's a game about demon murder and eldritch horror should exclude children, user.