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StonedTime
StonedTime

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New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Fucking Eldars!

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Second for the IG

Lunatick
Lunatick

Second for Remove Imperial Kebab

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Orks comparing other races to Kebab

Bidwell
Bidwell

You forgot to link to the old thread, breadmaker

hairygrape
hairygrape

Question to non-horde army players: how do you guys deal with massed infantry? What's your choice of weapon?

I miss template and blast

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

For anyone looking for the old thread
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Skullbone
Skullbone

daily duncan doesn't have an actual video
ban please.

Firespawn
Firespawn

ask GW for Tau buffs

SniperWish
SniperWish

Since when do we link old threads?

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Hey anons, help me out.
How do I convert a Leviathan dreadnoought into an acceptable GK Dreadknight "counts as"?

Apart from the obvious stuff like
Give him a sword
give him a psycannon instead of the grav flux
replace his head with a GK terminator helmet
how do I make him look really 'Grey knight-esque"?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

GW carries out their first customer survey in goodness knows how long, possibly ever
an golden opportunity to let the company know about your opinions on the direction they should take, the kinds of products they should be releasing
95% of responses will just be people pleading for rules buffs to their faction

What a waste.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Anyone wanna share this?

Chris Wraight is one of the few solid BL writers these days.

TechHater
TechHater

With Repressors, Immolator and healthy dose of Storm Bolter.

Also 2-4 Taurox prime with Gatling guns

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Fresh off the OC printer.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

GKs
Storm Bolters and Psilencers.
Psilencers fucking murder everything.
I also like to stick an empty Asscan Razorback into every list just because its great for objectives, tanky, and annoying as fuck

Nojokur
Nojokur

i asked for assault primaris with proper jump packs.

Lunatick
Lunatick

Is Eye of Medusa (the new-ish Iron Hands book) set pre- or post-8th/Great Rift?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

are scions the most overpowered unit in the game? Every tournament I go is won by someone spamming scions.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

just using photographs of the models

Sad. You should have illustrated ten ultramarines slouching out of a drop pod with their virgin posture, and ten tyrannids swaggering out of a tyrannocyte with 'ouch!' written on their luridly coloured carapaces.

MPmaster
MPmaster

Heard you were talkin' shit

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

I told them to drop their fucking prices, the obscene cost of models and price gouging is by far the biggest barrier to getting people into the hobby.

takes2long
takes2long

I wish Drop Pod can drop down on top of enemy unit and smash them into pulp... like DoW2 game. At least do some damage.

w8t4u
w8t4u

Mate I ain't an artist.
What're you gonna do? Chase me? Oh wait...

idontknow
idontknow

That'd be hilarious.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Should I buy this

Flameblow
Flameblow

I mean if you like play or love tau models then yes,
Otherwise no

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Pre-8th.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Got a friend who playes mixed eldar/dark eldar who wants to play me at some point. I know he's definitely got:
- start collecting DE
- start collecting Eldar but the fire prism is assembled as a nightspinner or whatever (the webby one)
- a wraithknight, wraithlord and squad of wraithguard
- some guardians
but I don't know how he's going to put a list together other than that he'll bring the wraithknight - we normally play 50pwr lists because 90% of the people in our group are newish and don't like maths. As necrons, what should I do to avoid getting stomped other than refuse to play?

RumChicken
RumChicken

Fill in the survey, ask for guard buffs

JunkTop
JunkTop

I told them I like the fact that they're working on balance through FAQs and Errata's, and that I hope they continue that.

I asked them to make their newer codexes more in line with nids/eldar/ig.
Fun, internally well balanced, fluffy armies and cool and difficult army building choices
Even though IG is OP in casual settings, and nids and eldar do have a couple internal issues (banshee's and maleceptors/haruspexes, for example), all three dexes are, all in all, well written and fun to use ingame.

I play GKs and Nids, and I can only hope that all you other anons out there get the same treatment my nids (and not the GK treatment) got with their new dex. I specifically told GW that bland dexes like GKs will hurt and drive people away from the game.

I also asked for changes to certain mechanics of the game to reduce randomness, in particular "template equivalents" and damage rolls. Stuff like d6 dmg should be more like 2d3, or d6 with minimum 3 dmg, etc.
Flamers should'nt autohit, maybe, but give you one attack per model within range.
Blasts should scale depending on how many models are in the unit, perhaps with a Maximum cap on how many shots you can get.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Don't talk to me or my grenade Nurgling ever again

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Decent feedback.

I said that each box needs to have more bits to better reflect options in the rules.

Also that Plasma should explode on natural 1s instead of after modifiers since that's retarded.

Also stop avatarfagging

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Who's gonna stop me? Him? Stumpy little bastard can't even throw that thing

Bidwell
Bidwell

I see your grenade nurgling and raise you a stickbomb gretchin

Inmate
Inmate

scarabs to tank hits and auto fallback. Wraits to tarpit stuff in melee. 20 blobs of warriors to rapid fire 40 gauss shots into whatever. Tesla for the tesla. Consider some destroyers for anti character.

Methshot
Methshot

Rolled 5, 3, 5 = 13 (3d6)

Rolling to gunk you.

First 2d6 is my weapon str, 3rd d6 is how many auto hits I get.

Ap-3, 3 damage and rerolling 1s to wound.

Emberfire
Emberfire

nids and eldar do have a couple internal issues (banshee's and maleceptors/haruspexes, for example)

What's wrong with the haruspex?

WebTool
WebTool

Looks like shit

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Naive, they will just remove the option from the codex to reflect what is cheaper to produce.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

What does a haruspex look like when it closes it's mouth?

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

How can I make a C:SM army a little more interesting?

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Haruspex
Closed mouth
Nigga what? You know what they do right?

whereismyname
whereismyname

Implying a hungry hungry hippospex ever closes its mouth

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Just want to make sure THIS is what you guys playing, right?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

WS 4+ completely hampers its damage output, plus the fact that its as expensive as a winged tyrant, but is less durable when being shot at with lascannons, while the tyrant has wings, can shoot, is synapse and a psyker and is usually better at melee too.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Add fallen to it.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

I can only hope for 1ks to get that kind of treatment but I'm pretty sure our codex is us going to be nerfed into unplayable even in narrative tier just because of people who take Magnus for their chaos soup.

Spamalot
Spamalot

We happily endure those particular logical inconsistencies in exchange for not dealing with 7th's shit any more

takes2long
takes2long

thanks! Any reason to be particularly worried about the wraithknight or would it be easy to block/tarpit/delay with scarabs or something?

Techpill
Techpill

he doesn't miss war convocation, riptide wings, and free razorbacks
The absolute state of CAACfags

Methnerd
Methnerd

I will play terrible mess of rules to avoid 7e boogeyman.

Flameblow
Flameblow

Which is better in general: +1 W or +1 T?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

T I'd say

RumChicken
RumChicken

+1T.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Depends what on really
Does a 20 wound model want another wound or another toughness?

TechHater
TechHater

Define interesting

JunkTop
JunkTop

Just something that makes it Not Another Marine Army.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Wait, can Infantry/or otherwise ground model shoot Flyer with flamer?

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Depends on what toughness value you're currently sitting at.
T4->T5 is great since it nerfs S8 weapons
Same with T7>T8 or T8>T9, since the former makes you nearly immune to small arms and the second rediculously tough vs Antitank weapons (las and melta).
The last one that can sometimes be worth it is T6->T7, but it really depends on what your opponent is playing

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

This is the right answer.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Make a chaos demon army then

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

If that's the criteria, then the only option is to not play as Chaos Marines.

I'm serious here. Try a Chaos Demon army if you're that hard-up for their fluff.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Why not. Its not template weapon anymore, and that was what prevented it.
In fact, its one of the top anti air weapons.
Because STEAMLINED.

farquit
farquit

Play them as renegade loyalists who need to struggle to keep what equipment they have working while operating on the fringes of what could be defined as 'loyalist' missions.

happy_sad
happy_sad

I meant Codex: Space Marines, not Chaos Space Marines.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Overwatch doesn't require declaring a target, it's a reaction to a charge.
Being unable to target a character once they're wounded is obviously not how the rule is intended.
GW dropped the ball with ambiguous wording and will likely have to FAQ their (paid for) FAQ, but my group isn't retarded and will stick with the sensible interpretation of CA before then. It's not cheating if both players abide by the same rules ;^)

As for flamethrowers being the best AA, yeah that is a crock of shit and I'm surprised it hasn't been addressed somehow. Minimum weapon range required to target flyers, perhaps?

takes2long
takes2long

Why do Necron Immortals not have 2 wounds?

iluvmen
iluvmen

This is why the Hellhound is one of the best anti-air vehicles in the game. It may wound on 5s but it's never gonna miss those 2d6 shots.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

They're not THAT much bigger than warriors

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Alright, in that case, you have to play a different army. Because EVERY Marine army is "Just another Marine Army".

Evilember
Evilember

Minimum weapon range required to target flyers, perhaps?

If you make it too short, some factions will be unable to attack them at all (Like SOB anti-tank being meltaguns).

Firespawn
Firespawn

I want that valkyrie model that is grossly overloaded with autocannons just cause it looks cool as shit imho.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Remember when Valkyries first were released you couldn't use Melta on them due to the height of the model?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Only ones that are different are Space Wolves cos they ride a̶n̶d̶ ̶f̶u̶c̶k̶ their wolves.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

So does suppurating plate mortal wound on a save roll of 4+ or is it every save requires a separate roll?

I see people doing the latter but it seems to be worded the former.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Whats going on in your pic anon?

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Listen motherfucker, you always build for improvement.

Criticism is always justified if it helps make the game a better product. Comparing it to an older state and putting a moratorium on the matter doesn't help us get there.

7th is dead, lets move on and complain about 8th.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Or bring back templates that we all know and love?

Nojokur
Nojokur

What's the longest range on a flamer-type weapon? Does it exceed 12''?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

18" on the Hellhound.

Booteefool
Booteefool

Admech
A combination of Vanguard, Infiltrators, Electro Priests and Kastellans. And maybe if theres nothing else to kill, a pack of Dragoon.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Are there any white-armored BA and/or DA successor Chapter?

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

For you.

MPmaster
MPmaster

They're kind of flimsy for a faction that is supposed to have tough as nails troops though

King_Martha
King_Martha

Yep. One of the reasons why Immolator are good anti air is due to their effective range of 24”+D6” Assault 2D6 auto hit S5 AP-1
Sure it’ll wound on a 5+ but it is enough to cripple the damn things to turn them into a non threat

Spamalot
Spamalot

I had thought that flamers had additional range requirements to hit flyers?

viagrandad
viagrandad

Come up with your own.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

I really just want templates back.

We could solve 90% of all the issues with this edition if they came back and the other 10% will be from making characters half to join units for protection again/fucking off with reroll auras/aura stacking.

askme
askme

Why? Flamer weapons are not even a type of weapons
Weapons of 40k
Melee
Pistols
Assault
Rapid fire
Heavy
Macro
That it 8th went way to hard with the simplification and it is showing with absurd situation that need more levels of abstraction than computing

massdebater
massdebater

No reason. Of they did they would be a much more competitive choice.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

necromunda gets templates
40k doesn't

:(

Playboyize
Playboyize

Templates fucking sucked and slowed the game down and introduced ambiguity which was fantastic when you're playing against that guy and he spends 15 minutes arguing that his unit is not under the template or your units pinky toe is under the template

Fuck templates, good riddence

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

having to autistically space your models exactly 2'' apart to minimise template casualties or be at a disadvantage
having to argue with your autistic opponent over exactly how many models are under your templates
the autistic apocalypse of resolving artillery barrages
battlecannons being shit against vehicles
flamethrowers being shit against monsters

Fuck templates.

TreeEater
TreeEater

Immortals used to be T5 as well, they toned it down when they changed RP in 5th but kept it out when they brought the old RP back now in 8th.

Emberburn
Emberburn

Your army is getting a new special character and you get to design them! What would you make/what would they bring to the army?

Evilember
Evilember

You're no fun.

WebTool
WebTool

Never had an issue with templates even in tournament. What kind of autistic country did you play? USA? Because it was there where I found the most annoying players I’ve ever face in my decades of playing this crap

StonedTime
StonedTime

This.

If you feel the need to "correct" how blast and cone-fire weapons are handled, figure out some other way to do it than resurrecting something that should remain dead for the sake of reducing arguments over how the template is placed or how many models are actually under it.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

This literally never happened, you would just get disappointed when your shit would scatter off into BFE.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

+1 toughness easily, especially if this is a model that will be taking big damage attacks.

Unless it has like only 1 wound or there are some weird bullshit your dude can pull with wounds.

I GUESS depending on the toughness too if it's low enough that buffing it from 3 or 4 to wound fire is less important that litterally doubling or increasing by half your wounds.

Like toughness is probably the worst thing to buff but in most cases is better than wounds.

Tldr
If the toughness is low and wounds are low buff toughness
If toughness is super high buff toughness definitely.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Fuck special characters
I want generic stuff so I can make <my dudes> and are actually good to take. Instead of needing some special snowflakes for my army to work properly

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Have blast weapons scale based on enemy unit size. Like +1 die per 5 models (So a 1d6 weapon becomes 2d6 at 5-9). Maybe slightly better scaling for flamers due to range.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

I can see the hellhound spewing flames high enough to roast low-flying aircraft.
Not a flamer carried by a guardsman though.
A 12" minimum range to target "hard to hit" flyers could work.
Fuckin' nope.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Square bases

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

playing with rule-bending WAAC autists
Feel sorry for you.

King_Martha
King_Martha

Flamers have always been Assault or Heavy weapons. They were always 'Template' weapons that had special rules.

Spamalot
Spamalot

Literally any iron hands character who grants the chapter master rerolling aura would be fine.

viagrandad
viagrandad

No way, an extra D every time a multiple of 10 is crossed tops. 2D6 hits on 5-man units is too much.

cum2soon
cum2soon

Does this have to be Named or what? Because I did write some Generic Archmagos rules once.

Generic Archmagos, base cost 225pts plus wargear, one per Adpetus Mechanicus Detachment.

M6" Cawl statline but without any abilities other than Dominus Master of Machines and a Chapter Master reroll hits aura. Omnissian Axe, no Mechadendrite Hive but they can buy a Power Fist (or Servo-arm) instead if they want.
4 "hardpoints" for the lack of a better word. Take an Abeyant for 30pts 10" move, a 15pts Rad-Saturation, probably a few other things too. Use hardpoints on autocannon, plasma Calivers, Torsion Cannon, Heavy Arc, huge line of weapons. Or take four Macrostubbers for Heavy 20 silly buggers in melee.
You do have to fill all four slots, though.

Then pick a Specialty like Daemon Princes pick a God.
Domini get their Aura put up to Cawl-grade.
Genetors grant a Haemy-style+1T bubble and can use their Repair to rez Infantry like an Apothecary.
Macroteks can repair two (or maybe three) times.
Archimandrites let you pick a Canticle twice instead of once. In the case of Mars they can be used to pick one and roll the other, or pick two different ones, or whatever.
Malagra get +3A and ignore -1 To Hit from melee weapons like Power Fists.
Logis roll a dice whenever a unit dies, gain a CP on 6+ because Data is All.
Reductors have an aura of rerolling Damage against VEHICLE and MONSTROUS CREATURE units.

w8t4u
w8t4u

having to autistically space your models exactly 2'' apart to minimise template casualties

This is actually a positive because now people just clump up underneath auras

having to argue with your autistic opponent over exactly how many models are under your templates

I have never had this happen, or if it did it would only leave out one extra dude.

the autistic apocalypse of resolving artillery barrages

Actually handled infantry blobs effectively

battlecannons being shit against vehicles

That has more to do with how armor works and the fact older editions didn't have damage characteristics

flamethrowers being shit against monsters

Yeah, that actually seems accurate. Flamers shouldn't be a catchall solution to your problems.

iluvmen
iluvmen

Why would they have special rules? I’d weapon types are not a thing

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

That's actually weaker than some of the currently scaling blast weapons. It would also be 2d6 attacks, so you still need to hit + wound + go through saves. So while a blast weapon could in theory kill a 5 man squad it wouldn't be likely.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

this
tho when they did this they removed the best characters like Wazdakka Gutsmek, Lady Malys, Baron Sathonyx, Old Zogwort.
But they kept every Brother Captain Fuckonix of course.

Techpill
Techpill

If the toughness is low and wounds are low buff wounds*

SniperGod
SniperGod

Generic GK HQ on a legion Jetbike
"Master of the Joust"
M14" Ws2+ Bs2+ S4 T5 W6 Sv2+ Ld9 A4
Can add one to wound or hit rolls for GK units within 6" on the turn they charge.
Can take any GK melee weapon, or a special Halberd "Lance" that gives S+2 Ap-3 Dmg 3 on the turn you charge (costs as much as a hammer?)
Has a stormbolter on the bike, can take a GK special weapon instead.

GIVE ME FUCKING CHIVALROUS KNIGHTS ON JETBIKES.
Or some kind of Librarian Dreadnought HQ.

RavySnake
RavySnake

That doesn't even make sense, you wouldn't get more hits with a single blast template against multiple dudes. Especially small templates.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Fuck templates, fuck wasting time figuring out who's half of a base is under it on a clustered board and fuck having to carry them

TechHater
TechHater

Has any generous anon got any of the new Black Library books?

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

my maximum sanity was reduced by 1

JunkTop
JunkTop

Lord General Castor

2 Orders
Ld +1 12" bubble
BS 2+ WS 2+ S4 T4 W5 Ld 10 Sv 4+/5++
Distinguished Marksman's Rifle
Heavy 1 36" S4 AP-3 1D; Can target characters, Wounds of 6+ cause a mortal in addition to other wounds. No penalty for moving and shooting.
MC Power Sword
Melee S:User AP-3 2D
Special strategem: "Stand back, I'll show you how it's done!" 2 CP - Lord General Castor selects a target enemy unit and makes a shooting attack with his rifle. If this attack causes an unsaved wound, the ordered unit may then fire upon the target unit with +1 to their hit and wound rolls. Wounds made by weapons with special rules regarding a Wound of 6+ will only benefit from that special rule on a natural roll of 6.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

you wouldn't get more hits with a single blast template against multiple dudes.

There is more dudes to be under the template and 8e doesn't have 'Everyone stands exactly far apart to negate standardised template sizes'. An explosion into a larger group of people will hit more people.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

fuck having to carry them
How could you ever manage carrying them.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Some sort of Death Guard tech Marine. DG already have 5 elite specialised characters but adding more seems fine.

Maybe he's also a low level psyker too like the bone singer where he can repair Daemon Vehicles or cast smite.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

which one?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Because the old rule for 'template' in the weapon profile was 'This weapon may always fire if the model moved.'

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

cant carry small piece of plastic
absolute state of the millenials

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

IG character
S4 T4
Umm, anon....

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

10/10 shitpost, cant wait for the FAQ.

Make it a minimum 13" so they're not allowed to use pistols.

MPmaster
MPmaster

What do you do if your favourite army in fluff, favourite models and favourite gameplay are all different?

Spamalot
Spamalot

But anon this is 8th
The rulebook has like 2 pages and people still fuck up

girlDog
girlDog

Use a small template
Hit 2 or 3 max
Against 40 you hit 18 times

viagrandad
viagrandad

That would knock out meltaguns, leaving some armies with no anti-tank.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Drastanta, Phoenix Lord of the Shining spears.

Phoenix lord statline with a jetbike and his huge fuckoff lance from the Iyanden supplement.
All the usual shining spear abilities
Unique aura allows Aspect warriors to advance and charge, and shining spears to charge after falling back.

Put in some fluff that he ended his penance, came to Iyanden and snatched his lance back before riding off to slam it into some chucklefuck's face.

Because like said there's just something great about jousting knights.

5mileys
5mileys

Collect them all

takes2long
takes2long

This. People who would go to incredible lengths just to try to get a miniscule advantage would do everything to argue that 'no its 10 guys not 5'

w8t4u
w8t4u

Straken is S6 what's your point.

Castor has a bionic arm.

Inmate
Inmate

There's a second page?

likme
likme

Templates don't exist any more.

Playboyize
Playboyize

Find a comfy balance and don't play Genestealer Cults.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Eldar is an uncountable noun, you illiterate pleb

Methshot
Methshot

It costs shitloads of points but does very little for it.
Good weapons but no ability to use them because of mediocre weapon skill/ballistic skill.
Has no defense against plasma/lascannons so your massive expensive monster is easy to clear off the board.
Need to be close to do work but has no inbult way to get there.

Maleceptor looks pretty good to be honest but is ultimatly just a less good hive tyrant for around the same points.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

[GHOST WARRIOR INTENSIFIES]

Skullbone
Skullbone

Really says something about the people who play this game
That and lots of the retarded questions that get asked on here and all of GW's social media outlets

Emberfire
Emberfire

the teardrop one was ok, but I agree the round ones were a problem

SniperWish
SniperWish

Well, he's bringing the shitknight, one of the worst eldar units in 8th edition, he's already giving you a lot of leeway and you are asking for specific tips. Just build a list and ask opinions

RavySnake
RavySnake

Which armies?

You shouldnt be allowed to use close ranged anti-tank like meltas to hit an AIRCRAFT in the first place. Even SoBs have multi-meltas and Orks have stormboyz.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

I play with shit players so we need to casualize EVERYTHING

Can't wait for them to remove line of sight.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Wanting to buff flyers because "muh realism"
FFS anons, no. I've got enough triple Stormraven and Hemlock Wraithfighter lists to deal with in my LGS, I dont need flyers to be completely immune to melee and half the shooting weapons in the game. On top of that, I know some faggots at my store that would argue you cant use rapid fire vs flyers with a rule like that

eGremlin
eGremlin

Yes but if we're basing this on what they are replacing.

FastChef
FastChef

A non-combat order SOB. A sister hospitaler who rather than the usual medical ability can bring back multiple models at once like she's escaped from a tomb kings army or a Sister Famulous who allows you to infiltrate a couple SOB units as they were hidden among the civilian population.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

S4 is fine if he's catachan or something.
Its more the T4 thats bothersome.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

SoB do not use multi-melta
Overpriced and can’t hit worth a damn

Meltaguns, Storm Bolter, Heavy Flamers and Immolation Flamers are the only weapons used by SoB due to everything else being shit
Heavy Bolter shows up when people run allied SoB

whereismyname
whereismyname

Obviously it means they didn't fit into dice bags/pouches for convenience you utter retards.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Now stop it.

Lunatick
Lunatick

steamlined
most proofread edit ever

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

The Warmaster or the Ynnari book immediately come to mind but there have been a lot released and I haven't been able to keep up desu.

King_Martha
King_Martha

On top of that, I know some faggots at my store that would argue you cant use rapid fire vs flyers with a rule like that
Ive got faggots at my store who are ADAMANT that you're not allowed to make an extra attack with weapons that haev the rule "You may make one extra attack with this weapon each time the model fights" UNLESS you make a MAJORITY of your attacks with that weapons.

What's that? An attack squig? Sorry, no extra attacks unless you agree to make all your warbosses attacks with it :^)
FAQ when

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Yes and right now 'More dudes = more hits' fits how templates worked. If there was 3 terminators you sure as hell couldn't get more than 3 hits with your battlecannon but you could hit most of a tactical squad pretty easily. The higher amount of attacks compared to earlier editions is because you need to hit per-attack this edition so making it the same number of potential dudes hit would make them very weak as you'd be losing 1/3 of them even with space marine templates and 50% with guard templates.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

See

5mileys
5mileys

Skitarii Vanguard/Infiltrator.

If they have a horde then Omnissiah be damned Mars will have a horde as well.

Horde against horde are my favourite kind of games. Models dropping left right and center.

Fuck huge centerpiece models and elite armies.

w8t4u
w8t4u

Blood Anglets being replaced by Primaris
Primaris don't have red thirst, black rage or any unique units

What's the fucking point?

Inmate
Inmate

Primaris have Red Thirst.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Rufuse to use the one gun able to hit aircraft
hurr durr why no shoot plane with pistols???
Sorry but you're going to have to adapt or just accept you cant deal with aircraft, we're trying to avoid the alternitive of flamers downing planes.
Besides, what about the rocket tank?

Techpill
Techpill

Your grenade nurgling is in the wrong place. He should be holding the grenade under the blob of goo.

Methnerd
Methnerd

trolling is a art

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Only in the rules, the lore says they dont suffer from it at all.
inb4 primaris models aren't allowed to take advantage of the red third chapter tactic

Snarelure
Snarelure

Did you read The Devastation of Baal?

In any case it doesn't matter because Primaris aren't equipped to be a fast melee assault army.

Again, what's the point?

Skullbone
Skullbone

Like, literally fucking everyone? You want to force Guard to take Hydras? Or dedicated AA weapons that are bad otherwise? There's a difference between wanting to make shit more realstic and just turn the game into a conventional war sim game where air superiority literally wins everything ever.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Frontline fighter for admech. Either some HQ for Electropriests or Skitari Alpha to lead Vanguard forward. All our HQs are better for staying behind and buffing/repairing Kastellans, Kataphrons of Crawlers.

RavySnake
RavySnake

He can go where he likes.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Or use Seraphims that fly and inferno pistol it to death.

If we are doing retarded crap make Exorcist and MM cheaper and better because right now they are basically playing with less points. That is how bad they are right now

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

I did not, I'm just going off the rules, which say that Primaris have the Thirst but not the rage.

If the fluff and the rules are directly contradicting each other, I guess we can just punch whoever wrote the Codex in the dick until he fixes it.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

The rocket tank sorta is heavily overpriced right now (costs as much as an IG Leman Russ, has no sponson weapons and can't fire twice).

The issue with 'You'll have to use Multi-meltas' is that even for anti-air they'd be utter shit at it. They'd have the -1 to hit and are heavy weapons so you are trying to chase down a high speed flier with a weapon that is at -2 to hit them and won't likely down them even if they DO hit.

StonedTime
StonedTime

here some too
Veeky Forums/thread/56804367#p56809675

DeathDog
DeathDog

This guy rolls up and slaps your landraiders ass, what do?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Thank you kind sir/ lady.

rip my wallet getting raped by GW so many releases and unable to keep up with it.

JunkTop
JunkTop

Or use Seraphims that fly and inferno pistol it to death.

They'd not have the range to shoot it with the rule changes.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

To be fair the hydra was actually better than the exterminator Russ until recently. That said, it still absolutely rapes Tau at BS3+.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

He's a Cadian. He's also a tough bastard who hunts Tyranids for his trophy room.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

This is actually a positive because now people just clump up underneath auras
But most auras affect units, not models...

I have never had this happen, or if it did it would only leave out one extra dude.
I'm very happy for you.

Actually handled infantry blobs effectively
Ever get shot by a wyvern? Took forever to resolve and would delete boyz mobs in one turn. It wasn't fun.

That has more to do with how armor works and the fact older editions didn't have damage characteristics
Meanwhile 8th deals with this quite elegantly.

Yeah, that actually seems accurate. Flamers shouldn't be a catchall solution to your problems.
Have you ever watched Aliens? The Thing? The sci-fi staple of fending off a cosmic horror with a flamethrower should be more rewarding than perhaps shaving off a single wound at best.

How would a 12'' minimum range on shooting make flyers immune to melee?
More than half the shooting weapons in the game have a 12'' range or greater.
How would a 12'' minimum range have any bearing on rapid fire?
It's not treating the flyer as being further away, it's just saying "a weapon must at least be capable of being effective at this range before it can be used to target a flyer".

Supergrass
Supergrass

You want to force Guard to take Hydras
They've got plasma, lascannons and all the other shit.

You really want flamers to shoot down aircraft?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Skitarii Evocatus. Fast infiltator character to go with cc units.
Perfect target for the Omnissian Mask.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

The Exterminator Russ used to be a good tank overall, then 8th hit and it was complete shit. Grinding Advance doesn't help it much. Why take an Exterminator when you can take a Punisher and get 5 times as many shots?

Lunatick
Lunatick

You really want flamers to shoot down aircraft?

Sure, why not? It's not the silliest thing in 40k and 'Flat immunity' is very boring.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Fellow of mine complained to me about playing Orks, saying that his arm and spine got ruined because of Orks - moving so many models one at a time with his back vowed. Is he joking or do you guys agree with him somewhat?

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Nope. Lore says they get the red thirst but not black rage.

happy_sad
happy_sad

Your retarded rule change
I’m adding that unit with fly do not have limitation

cum2soon
cum2soon

Is he a literal soyboy? Tell him to quit being a bitch and eat some fucking protein

takes2long
takes2long

Did he weigh his models down with lead or gold? That's insane.

Sounds like this fellow never hit the gym and wanted something to blame for the inevitable consequences.

w8t4u
w8t4u

implying you'll ever get a shot off at him while I ravage your ass from behind a wall with Astral Aim and teleport across the fucking board with mach speed thanks to gate of infinity
Nuthin personell, kid...
I'll show you what a good dicking looks like, you little guardlet.

askme
askme

So, low AP/S/D high volume fires are much better than high AP/S/D low volume in 8th?

Bidwell
Bidwell

This Xiphon Interceptor rolls up and establishes complete air superiority, what do you do?

massdebater
massdebater

wielding a sniper rifle like a pistol
Hahaha what the fuck.

idontknow
idontknow

Fit in my pouches and or the giant army boxes I transported my dudes in you limp wristed cry baby.

likme
likme

All of which hits on 4s or 5s if the flyer is supersonic. Overcharging is risky enough to try and get over that 7 threshold for most vehicles.

Flamers do next to nothing for damage as it is, it just shaves off a little bit at a time. If you spike dice, sucks, that's representative of the pilot getting hit by a stream of promethium into the engines and causing a catastrophic failure. Go explain why you can charge over a wall through a building and not get shot by defensive fire when you pop into view.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Solve bone problems with protein

Y'all motherfuckers need calcium.

Techpill
Techpill

Wouldn't it just be easier to say "Pistols and Flamers cannot hit Aircraft" than this weird range-sourced limit?

Or if you want, 'Pistols and Flamers with a range of less than 24" cannot hit aircraft' if you want long-range AA pistols and flamers.
I mean the game has types already, use them.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

get cripple to useless level
Nothing personal kid

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

He's middle-aged guy and use old models. Possibly metal ones I guess.

Emberburn
Emberburn

he's cadian
Yeah, so why is he T4? Higher S is fine, but he really should be T3

Firespawn
Firespawn

Seems like a fair workaround tbf.

Flameblow
Flameblow

Nice try, skeleton. Im not making that bony bastard hiding in me any stronger

SniperGod
SniperGod

Punishers, at least that's the plan if I try building a tank army rather than the 150 dude spam I have going now.

RumChicken
RumChicken

This Xiphon Interceptor rolls up and establishes complete air superiority, what do you do?
Cry because my Hellblade now sucks so hard.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

shoot it down with a unit of havoks that have 4 lascannons and then shoot again with endless cuckophany also having a wizard to give prescience and a lord to reroll 1s

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

implying an immolator can catch up with a 50" strike craft whose shortest range is 48" and fires heavy weapons without penalty

whereismyname
whereismyname

Personally I like Corpuscarii. Something about the tide of whatever charging towards the thin red line only to get lit up by a solid bar of lightning is fucking awesome, and they're exceedingly good at their job with buffs.

That would be fuckawesome. Would also like an Axiarch-style character to provide army-wide Hazard Protocols or whatever so we don't have to take two Enginseers to Brigade. Pay an extra 50pts and your Repair ability on an Enginseer for SKITARII, a better gun and a buff for all those 30+ Skitarii you have to take.

Although a properly equipped Dominus is kind of a beast in melee. Free Warlord Trait makes him a Chaplain, plus 3 axe attacks and 3.5 Shredding boltrifle attacks all rerolling hits, plus it turns the aforementioned Corpuscarii and Fulgurites into gods. Can anyone say 5.7 S5 hits per model? Or 0.75 Mortal Wounds?

Nojokur
Nojokur

The fact that you play against miserable rules lawyering cunts isn't a good reason to persevere with shitty rules when a perfectly acceptable solution existed for 2 decades and is still in use in other game systems.

Illusionz
Illusionz

To compare a generic russ tank

Exterminator vs targets T6 and below
8 shots
4 hits
2-3 wounds
At T7 it becomes 2 wounds.
At T8-T13 it becomes 1-2 wounds.

Punisher vs targets T4 and below
40 shots
20 hits
13-14 wounds
At T5 it becomes 10 wounds.
At T6-T9 it becomes 6-7 wounds.
At 10+ it becomes 3-4 wounds.

Whether or not they stick is dependent on what's the target save, but generally volume of dice will outperform in 8th.

Lunatick
Lunatick

it was in use for 2 decades so it's good

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

so new DA chapter tactics
I'm buttmad
gw: "yeah, astra militarum can't have the 'lose only one model by morale' on their special morale boosting character, that's OP. We'll replace it by making having the commissar be a liability"
also gw: "Every Dark Angel unit can't lose more than one model per morale test"

We get it, you hate guards
You made that obvious by giving us a nerf every week, no need to rub it in

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Caveat:
Exterminator gets 3-4 wounds on T3 and below.
Punisher gets 16-18 wounds on T2 and below.

Spamalot
Spamalot

Flyers are already essentially immune to melee unless you're lucky and have a good CC unit that can actually fly, which most armies dont.

The rapid fire thing is more a personal worry of mine regarding RAWfags. Just think about this whole 10 wounds character bullshit.

In all honestly, I agree the rule makes sense "thematically and for the sake of realism", but I dont get how you dont realize buffing one of the most powerful unit types in the game to be immune to half the shooting weapons in the game is good for balance, fun, or anything like that.

farquit
farquit

Except the game is more fun, is faster, flows better and has less ambiguity without templates? The game is objectively better without them in every respect, why would you want them back?

viagrandad
viagrandad

If you're failing morale as Space Marines then chances are your squad is dead already.

askme
askme

t. idiot who made his entire army out of conscripts

My Scions are doing aight. Git gud.

idontknow
idontknow

implying
The tables are small enough that Immolators can box in flying stuff rather easily.

likme
likme

Yeah. Slamming Drop Pods onto suckers was pretty much the best part of DoW2.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Goddamn love them Scions.

Methnerd
Methnerd

Soy is protein you dumb memer

TreeEater
TreeEater

he deigned to use the tools given unto him!
look upon him and laugh!

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

There is a huge difference between morale immunity for guard and for marines. Marines rarely come in units of 10+ models, have generally higher leadership, and already mitigate morale through ATSKNF, so additional layers aren't as powerful.

Emberburn
Emberburn

Not an argument.

Evilember
Evilember

Its far less fun when instead of spraying sea of gaunts with flamethrower you roll a d6. Might remove models as well, cos they make "ambiguety" in line of sight, and just roll the dice on the empty table.

SniperGod
SniperGod

It would be interesting to see them introduce a non-vehicle, non-monster creature with Airborne. Like a Seraphim variant with heavier jump packs or whatever.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Removing everything for a single dice roll would make the game faster. That's not a good thing.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Literally none of those things are true
Try again.

DeathDog
DeathDog

spam 5 man units with plasma guns
never lose enought to cause problems
hurrdurr whats moral?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Well I'd use conscripts if they weren't 4 points each :^)
and commissars too if they didn't actually give a debuff to your army
but doesn't matter to gw, I already bought the models, so what if they sit on the shelf?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

it was serviceable for 2 decades, why change it
an argument itself

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

line of site is so fucking cancerous,
there is a tiny crack in a canyon you can see 2 atoms of red soldier through? ok sure you can shoot them with 0 penalty

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

I wish it was little buddy, but unfortunatly it's the rules """update""" in chapter approved

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Kharybdis FW Drop pod for CSM could do that, with str D hit non the less.
And then fuckers could disembark and charge.
And then it could fly around burninating people.

whereismyname
whereismyname

Its far less fun when instead of spraying sea of gaunts with flamethrower you roll a d6
It's exactly the same shit, only you don't need to wait 5 minutes for a sweaty neckbeard to figure out what units are under the template

Illusionz
Illusionz

The retard train will keep rolling until GW shuts it down I'm afraid, most people on here hardly know how to read, common sense is beyond them

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Hell yeah.

be a WAACfag and base your entire army around what's broken
whine about it when it inevitably gets nerfed

I have 10-man squads, it's just not that big a deal. There's other ways to deal with morale anyway.

Nothing wrong with keeping them as collectables since that's what they're priced as.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

The game is objectively better without them in every respect
How can you say that after the rampant proliferation oh cheap infantry?

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

0 penalty? You that would be like 3+ cover save in good edition (or dumb +1 to armor in new one).

Also, if you think shootign through tiny gap is bad in 40k, you have not seen Infinity.

farquit
farquit

Guess you better remove horde armies because they take to long to move.

Bidwell
Bidwell

[Spoiler]Doom at Malantai[/spoiler]
[Spoiler];_;[/spoiler]

massdebater
massdebater

I play Tyranids

likme
likme

I'm used to shit let me enjoy this better shit

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Is this what they call a smoking gun

Techpill
Techpill

target enemy Hive Tyrant with my Warhound titan
declare all my shots on it
shoot first gun and deal only 5 wounds
cant target Hive Tyrant any more because its below 10 wounds
lose the rest of my shots
?????????????

Snarelure
Snarelure

So nothing changes with regards to melee. Who cares?
Even RAWfags would have no leg to stand on regarding rapidfire. If the weapon has a range 12" or more, it can fire. That has absolutely no bearing on whether or not the weapon in question is at half range.
How many guns have a range less than 12''? It certainly isn't half the shooting weapons in the game.

Firespawn
Firespawn

Dumb phoneposter

Flameblow
Flameblow

hurrr my fringe AM faction didn't get nerf, stop whining

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

The traditionally do poorly in tournaments for exactly this reason tho.

SniperWish
SniperWish

Destroy it easily like I do every time.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Dont all guns technically fire at the same time?
It why you can to declare targets for all your guns before shooting rather than resolve them one at a time.

RumChicken
RumChicken

Pls no bulli

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Running 10 man instead of MSU
My male sibling of African decent!

eGremlin
eGremlin

At least it's cheap

150 points for 4 s6 shots

Nevermind

JunkTop
JunkTop

It makes sense for Conscripts and I used to run a bunch of them. It's okay, I just switched my Doctrine to Valhallan and went with Petrovs 45. I've actually been having a blast with Valhallan. My Tank Commanders have been lovely.

Nojokur
Nojokur

What is your army like and what do you use for screening units? I was thinking of doing just Scions, Tanks and Bullgryn. I'm getting sick of managing a ton of lasgun shots.

Illusionz
Illusionz

I thought the Character has to have max 9W on the profile to be protected by that rule.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

t. soyboy

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

In normal games, this was only an issue because people didnt want to actually read the rules.

Shit like the guard 4x blast tank, with all the flipping and shit, were edge cases that coudlve been solved in a different way.

Soft_member
Soft_member

calling everyone who even used a single unit of conscripts a WAACfag

summer is over, fuck off.

askme
askme

t. conscript spammer

Bidwell
Bidwell

common sense
rerolls apply before modifiers
choose one

likme
likme

Genestealers, dakkafex, mass termagant with fleshborers

hairygrape
hairygrape

Read up on its profile and wanted to pick one up until I saw that it costs 85 fucking bongistans

Techpill
Techpill

Sorry for using tools my book provided to cancel out your scion plasma/melta alpha strike.

Must be hard to know your MSU army with loads to tools fails to beat 150 points of cheap bodies when it comes to tactics.

Methshot
Methshot

Not anymore with new Chapter Approved wording.

Methnerd
Methnerd

They changed the rule.
It doesnt go off your wounds characteristic anymore, just your wounds.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

if you can find the old battleforce and you want to start playing tau then yeah you should buy it

this years battleforce is way less value

Snarelure
Snarelure

Is there any point to the Grav-Chute crunchwise if they can deepstrike in with Grapnel Launchers?

Scions were cheap as fuck with even cheaper plasma and melta in the index version. It was later adjusted to a more fair level. WAACnerds were whining then too.

Pretty much what you said.

If one of your units get nerfed (or a combination in the case of Conscripts+Commissar) you don't do whining about GW hating your faction and stuff. There's plenty more that's good.

Emberfire
Emberfire

Don't listen to the idiots, it's still the same.

Evilember
Evilember

As someone with a guard tank army:

Hordes in a big bunch are easy. It's the hordes of small units that are hard. When you have 10 10-man squads and each of them has a threat in it with effectively 9 other ablative wounds, it starts getting to be an attrition war that you can't win.

eGremlin
eGremlin

Read again:

Deploy from a battlefield edge of your choice

That's not deep strike, it's closer to outflank. You take both if you want to have a unit pop up and just teleport up and down vertical distance cause GW rules writers are fucking autistic.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

He's either full of shit, or plays in a toxic shithole. I've never encountered a problem with templates, because everyone was always a decent human being about it and when in doubt, there was always rolling a D6.
The actual reason templates slowed down the game was spacing.

whereismyname
whereismyname

Checks out, thanks.

Nojokur
Nojokur

I mean, we're 38,000 years into the future here, is a sniper flamethrower really that impossible?

Lunatick
Lunatick

Well the real difference is
You have to pour much more fire into marines to trigger morale
Guards are minimum 10 per unit, which makes morale already a problem
It's a bigger threat if marines stay alive

Guardsmen are supposed to be a bubble wrap
They're not strong and don't hurt but they're durable. Else there's no point
Nids already field fuckhuge units yet they ignore morale

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

I think a melta gun is pretty close to a sniper flamethrower

Spamalot
Spamalot

I didn't whine about conscripts getting hit in the codex. That felt fair. Reducing bodies was what I called months ago.

The retarded nerf was the 4+ for orders making them literally just sit there for objectives. You were paying points to no longer play with models.

The Commissar nerf hit the entire infantry as a bullshit change. The LD9 bubble is not worth the additional casualty and forced re-roll when your squad is probably toast as it is. A huge nerf like this should have been printed in codex, not released convenient a week after everyone bought their books.

The CA change to make Conscripts 4 points effectively deleted their datasheet from the game. There is no reason to take a 30 man squad of shitty guardsmen when you could take 3 individual squads of 10 competent soldiers for the same price, and also give them equipment.

That's some hardcore faction hate to just outright remove a datasheet from the game because shitty players can't build lists to counter hordes.

happy_sad
happy_sad

How's this?

49pwr
Overlord - 7
Cryptek - 6
20 warriors - 12
10 warriors - 6
5 tesla immortals - 4
9 scarabs - 6
Stalker with Heavy Gauss Cannons - 8

Depending on how important MWBD is on the tesla immortals I might swap the overlord out for an annihilation barge or some lychguard or even a ghost ark for the warriors. Might also swap out the stalker for 2 destroyers + 1 heavy.
General strategy is using the scarabs to cut off wraithknight/tarpit things and just slowly moving up with the big blob of infantry melting anything that comes close ad stalker on anti-tank.
I only have 30 warriors and 5 immortals but I could maybe borrow some in a pinch

5mileys
5mileys

Meltagun uses superheated gasses to evaporate/vaporize targets. I think in previous iterations it was compared to a microwave gun.

It reminds me that I need to get my immolator squad painted up and modeled with bling and a banner that says 'vape nation'

Methnerd
Methnerd

I need to make decals for my SoB
I can no longer do freehand so those are rather necessary now

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

I could give you the site I've used to make my custom GSC decals but admittedly the guy took fucking forever to do them. Like, an unreasonable amount of time. 20+ emails of me bitching at him for months asking wheres my shit.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Microwaves don't employ superheated gases, they employ.... well, microwaves, which are a specific frequency range of photons.

Also, if you superheat a gas, you get a plasma, FYI. Meltaguns behave much more like photon throwers than gas or plasma throwers - that loss of damage over range is how photons actually behave, because you lose power relative to the square of the range.

TechHater
TechHater

know I shouldn't buy any more models because the Dangles codex is around the corner
came an buy a pair of Company Masters, some Devastators, and
read the chapter focus
Masters get a stealth Nerf, campers getting the re-rolls 1 anyway
RW Talon Masters
most all the new toys are manlets
In annoyed but also severely hype.
Now that most of my RW can be relegated to anti-armour or heavy infantry counters, with the TM shrekking infantry, I'm annoyed and and also very hype. My jump pack Company Master will probably still see some use, but maybe I'll give him a Relic Blade instead of an MC Boltgun.

eGremlin
eGremlin

Is the issue that hive tyrants are overcosted, or that haruspex/maleceptor are undercosted?

Aside from adjusting points - what kind of changes, new abilities, or stratagems could they add to make these two units better?

I had some ideas to improve these units to make them worth their points:
haruspex automatically hits the turn it charges
if haruspex shooting attack hits a unit then it can add 3 to charge rolls but it must finish within 1" of that unit
maleceptor has 3++ but if it uses the psychic blast it goes down to 5++ until the end of your turn
after using psychic blast the maleceptor has +2 to deny the witch until the start of your next turn
maleceptor can reroll 1s on psychic blast if within 18" of a neurothrope or zoanthrope

What do you think nidfriends

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Sure. I’m used to work with Europeans and Argentinians
Most useless and worthless fuck regarding deliveries and meeting deadlines

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

When something explodes, do you roll for damage for each affected unit? Or roll once and inflict the same damage on all affected units?

King_Martha
King_Martha

Each unit. It's a shame because sometimes you roll a 6 for like Guardsmen, then roll a 1 for the big tank next to it that only has 3 wounds left.

girlDog
girlDog

You get out a hammer and hit the table where the exploding model exploded; any models that fall over are slain.

askme
askme

Reducing bodies
Not needed.

4+ for orders
Was stupid. Conscripts were strong because they were cheap flakk. Not orders.

Commissar nerf
Was exactly what was needed. Commissars at 25pts bump up Conscripts from Ld4 Ld 8 (automatically saving 4 Conscripts per Morale test with aura alone 4model ×3ppm= 12 pts saved a test.

The CA change
Complete and utter overkill. Conscripts should have stayed 3ppm

Inmate
Inmate

I just saw Tabletop Tactics roll once for everything... Space Wolves vs. Tyranids batrep.

hairygrape
hairygrape

fallouthobbies.com/

Enjoy. If you have a custom image already, it'll probably be a lot faster. I gave them an example image and asked them to take a crack at cleaning mine up a bit.

Techpill
Techpill

tfw I have to take Yarrick to get a reroll 1s aura for my Tempestus
I don't want any named characters among my dudes.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

He's right, you know. Soy has a lot of protein.

Emberburn
Emberburn

Yes, by far. But don't let IG fags hear that. They got nerfed suuuuper hard after all.

Flameblow
Flameblow

Might be a tournament rule or house rule.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Any gentlemen here with a ePub/PDF of the new Gaunts Ghosts-book?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

tfw you blow up an enemy hellhound
tfw it explodes
tfw it blows up his other hellhound
TFW THAT EXPLODES
his face when his army literally self destructs because he had overlapping bubbles for screening deep strikes, but it didn't help against a couple lucky lascusers

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Don't be a fag. Convert a Tempestus Yarrick that just uses his rules.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Is there a term for this?

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

D3 mortal wounds
models with 5+ wounds
doubt
Did everyone clap too?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

They're not overpowered, just very good for what they do. Elysians on the other hand, are very overpowered.
stratagem turns all weapon profiles into Assault
including grenades

cheaper drop squads of special weapons

cum2soon
cum2soon

I don't know why you say
[x]Doubt
when it's clearly stated "I wrecked his shit with lascannons"

iluvmen
iluvmen

Count as. You just say hey this is my count as Yarrick named Tempestor Prime Tim. You can even make Tim your warlord and that gives you voice of command to order your boys so it feels fluffier.

likme
likme

I told them to bring more fluff onto the table.

Emberburn
Emberburn

Why didn't he command re-roll that first one?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

If he boxcars one and hits 8+ on the other, that would do it.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

I was considering converting one to an inquisitor but I like this idea more.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Tempestor Prime Tim.
That's pretty fucking good, anon.

FastChef
FastChef

It's a 4+ for Hellhounds to explode.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

95% of responses will just be people pleading for rules buffs to their faction

I told them to get their rule's team to be more professional and less
HURR THIS IS MY PET ARMY I MAKE IT OP
-or-
HURR I DISLIKE THIS ARMY. IMMA MAKE IT SHIT

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

No it's not I just read it. It's 6+.

takes2long
takes2long

I asked them to make kits have at least all models/bits required for a fully kitted out minimum squad with all options.

Meaning, two plasma, melta, etc for whatever boxes, or like GSC Acolytes can take 2 heavy mining weapons but there's only the 3 that come in the box and 2 of which share parts IIRC.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Read closer and it says: Add 2 to the roll in the case of a Hellhound. They explode on a 4+.

hairygrape
hairygrape

Woops I didn't read fully it is 4+ just worded funny.

Methshot
Methshot

I told them it would be cool to have some additional units with the Militarum Tempestus keyword so you could make a Brigade in a higher-point game. And to remake the sisters in resin or give them some of that Cawl bullshittery for new models.

Don't play sisters but they're supposed to AT LEAST be eyecandy.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

That sounds like a fun little tactic.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

It's almost entirely worthless on Space Marine squads which are nearly always 5 man. Do the math.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

That actually IS his tactic. He runs his Hellhounds up as close as he can to things so they have to blow it up or eat 2d6 S6/AP-1/D1 shots every turn, and he will CP re-roll to make sure he gets those d3 mortal wounds on whatever he's trying to kill.

It's hilarious.

RumChicken
RumChicken

Or they are used to pre 8th roll 1d6 for radius if the explosion.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Is there ANY reason to use hell forged sword for a daemon prince. Like malefetic is litterally the same against tanks and yet better against infantry.

DeathDog
DeathDog

I'm expecting a looooot more Scout spam from Dark Angels, since their tactic optimizes them for Sniper Scouts.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

I like this tactic.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

more Scout spam from Dark Angels,
Funny enough, Blood Angel Scouts are pretty strong with Red Thrist

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

What is the best looking daemon engine and why is it the Decimator?

whereismyname
whereismyname

Talons do 2 damage. Sword does 3 damage. Axe is +1S, -3 AP, 3 damage.

Talons get 3 swings, Axe hits at -1.

Illusionz
Illusionz

can't fly
can't breathe fire
doesn't look like a dragon

0/10 would not go on Long War with

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Brass motherfucking Scorpion

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Sword mate not axe.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Getting more attacks on a sword is better.

Whether from DttFE, psychic powers or buffs from Deathshroud.

Spamalot
Spamalot

It has killed Bobby G twice in games so far at our store. The best part about it was he charged Hellhounds against him and forced Papa Smurf to chop them up and kill himself. I fucking loved watching it.

Soft_member
Soft_member

Sword literally is only good against 3W or 5-6W low toughness.

Where 1-2 sword swings kill a model while it takes 2-3 talons.

But you're better off with talons

w8t4u
w8t4u

That's why I posted the caveats for the other two weapons.

You get 3 swings bonus with talons, and -1 to hit with the axe. The sword is just 3 damage.

likme
likme

Will we ever get Dark Mechanicus?

Methnerd
Methnerd

scions are good so it doesn't matter that everything else got nerfed to hell even though most players don't use scions
nerfs are deserved even though scion rules weren't touched

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

After we get Chaos Guardsmen

Skullbone
Skullbone

I thought they were in Fires of Cyraxus

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

With that pose he looks like he's about to fall over

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

forced Papa Smurf to chop them up and kill himself.

Can you choose not to attack? It wouldn't save him from being chased around by the hellhounds but surely you can't be forced to hit something if you don't want to.

eGremlin
eGremlin

Can you choose not to attack?
Nope.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

you cannot choose not to attack

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Slaanesh Prince with Elixir. Death Hex or Diabolic Strength.

Chop chop, don't stop, come on let the beat drop

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Wait you HAVE to fight in the fight phase?

King_Martha
King_Martha

Chaos guardsmen are forgeworld
tfw that basically means they have a 0% chance to ever be a mainline faction
and genestealer cults are shit.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

There is a successor of the Blood Angels called the Angels Encarmine. Their regular power armour is red but their sanguinary guard and death company use white armour

takes2long
takes2long

Yes. There is no option for peace in the grim darkness where there is only war.

Playboyize
Playboyize

everything else got nerfed to hell
Scions got more expensive because their special weapons got more expensive. Conscripts and Commissars were nerfed justly, but then Conscripts were put at 4ppm without nerfing infantry squads at all making sure there's little to no reason to take Conscripts. Should have upped infantry squads to 5ppm and it would have been fine. Taurox Primes got nerfed a little with points which is good. Manticores oddly got a price increase and not Basilisks. Astropaths needed to be more than 15 points, but only putting Primaris Psykers at 46 baffles me. Why bother doing that when they should have been 50-60 to begin with.

I wouldn't say they nerfed "everything". They really only ruined Conscripts, everything else deserved to be a little more expensive.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Ehehehe that's interesting

Emberfire
Emberfire

Bullshit.

SniperWish
SniperWish

WH40K has always been broadly against clever tactics and strategy that would involve things like choosing not to attack the enemy - note that only one IG regiment even gets the option to shoot into their own melees, for example, even though in the fluff, it's common as dirt.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Can I get the rule because I know I'll need to cite this.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

You don't have to attack if you don't want to.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

That's pretty fucking stupid. You can choose not to move, not to use psychic powers and not to shoot but you can't choose not to punch someone.

Supergrass
Supergrass

upping infantry to 5ppm
because you should make conscripts seem good even though they're not

Know what happens to squads of 5ppm guardsmen? They join a cult worshiping bugs and lose all good things about them.

Cause that's what GSC are. 5ppm guardsmen that suck dick.

Conscripts were 3 points even last edition. And they were better last edition. Likewise Guardsmen.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Commissar wasn"t deserved
Point increase i'd agree with
But with the rules change you stand to lose more models with than without
A rule change that would make sense is to halve losses

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

It's great because there's stuff that triggers when attacked. I mean it would be useless otherwise

Soft_member
Soft_member

If the GSC ones are so bad at 5ppm then maybe just buff them

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Overwatch is not part of the shooting phase.

w8t4u
w8t4u

Doesn't say phase anon san

Inmate
Inmate

This isn't true

hairygrape
hairygrape

After all charging units have fought, the players alternate choosing eligible units to fight with (starting with the player whose turn it is) until ALL ELIGIBLE UNITS ON BOTH SIDES HAVE FOUGHT ONCE EACH.

If there is a unit eligible to fight, then it MUST fight.

Snarelure
Snarelure

Wrong, shitstain. Read the rules next time

Emberburn
Emberburn

Any unit that charged or has models within 1" of an enemy unit CAN be chosen to fight in the fight phase

Emberfire
Emberfire

A character cannot be chosen as a target in the SHOOTING PHASE.

Is correct, read the fucking rule.

FastChef
FastChef

Guardsmen were always 5ppm and for some reason they became 4ppm in 8th. There was no need for that. Besides it makes more sense this way. Conscripts 4, Infantry 5, Veterans 6.

GSC ones aren't great because they don't have orders, but guess what Guardsmen have? Orders! Infantry should be a point more so there is a point to take Conscripts in the first place. Now that they've had nerfs pile on them, there isn't a reason to take Conscripts and it fucks things up. It's called internal balance.

Nerfing the Commissar I think was fine, but the idea didn't work. Like you said, it runs the issue of possibly being a worse result. Not sure how they could go about fixing it though other than the summary execution rule doesn't apply to Conscripts.

JunkTop
JunkTop

ALL ELIGIBLE UNITS ON BOTH SIDES HAVE FOUGHT ONCE EACH.

The clause of 'Any unit that charged or has models within 1" of an enemy unit can be chosen to fight in the fight phase' is enabling language. It doesn't say 'you may fight' it says 'you can fight'. This is how we determine which models are in melee range and are capable of fighting, not if they are allowed to fight.

Don't fucking lawyer shit if you don't know English.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Thx to CA I got bout 10% point increase in my pure scion list (melta-heavy). Totally and unironically, they deserved that nerf.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

CA Trumps nerd.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

I own CA and haven't yet read it back to front, but I'll get my copy and transcribe it word for word. Hold on.

Booteefool
Booteefool

Doesn't seem like you have to fight. Anyway, you can just say I'm only going to use 1 attack from 1 model in the unit and say the unit fought. Doesn't say you have to do ALL of your attacks.

girlDog
girlDog

It says can. Meaning you have the option of not attacking. Sorry amerimutt, you're wrong

5mileys
5mileys

Wait you can't target characters right? So you can't in fight phase due to CA?

w8t4u
w8t4u

2D6 and pick the lowest?

Playboyize
Playboyize

The op has the ca line.

Skullbone
Skullbone

What if they roll the same number?

Flameblow
Flameblow

You MUST choose units until all units that are capable of engaging in melee have fought. There is nothing here saying you can choose to not fight. If you have one target, you can only swing at that one target.

Can means 'capable of doing so' you fucking mong. Read a dictionary.

Characters are not immune to the fight phase, they just can't be shot at.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

just gonna put this here

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

The sorry I guess?
We had the immunity to moral and then we had the trigger happy one.

This 2D6 looks like a middle ground add a “may roll 2D6”

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Where at? And what page.

eGremlin
eGremlin

You can still choose not to fight. Anyway, again, you can just make a single attack and say it fought. You don't have to use all of your attacks.

Now go away stupid. You're boring.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Characters are not immune to the fight phase, they just can't be shot at.
Doesn't say shoot but fire an explosive punch.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

..? Of the thread line?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

You can not choose not to fight, stop lying. The rules are right there and its very clear that everyone fights you dumb faggot, there's no line that says "you can choose not to fight"

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

2CP for what Guard can do all the time with orders and what Ultramarines can do poorly all the time. Turns out if Marines just listened to people they could shoot better, shoot after falling back and run faster, but they're too stupid and too selfish to listen.

I guess this is why humans are just better than superhumans.

Spamalot
Spamalot

Can means 'capable of doing so' you fucking mong. Read a dictionary.
Riddle me this, why would you deliberately choose to interpret the rules in a way that is entirely inconsistent with the rest of the game being able to pick and choose which units attack and which do not when there is an equally valid interpretation which is 100% consistent with how the rest of the game works? To me it's pretty fucking obvious that you're supposed to be able to pick which units fight and you're really stretching to make your interpretation when it makes zero sense considering how the shooting and movement phases work

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Yeah, but you can still choose not to fight. So, again, go away stupid. You're boring.

iluvmen
iluvmen

Point to a line in the rules that states you can choose not to fight, please

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

So CA made Revenants 2k points (which were bad at 1200) but didnt change the points of the phantom? So for a mere 360 points you get an additional 28 wounds 2 attacks hitting on a 2+ and can get its 4+ invuln without needing to advance.

Methshot
Methshot

Read Oh wait you can't read. You're stupid. I will continue to play correctly, and you can continue to not play because we all know you don't.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

can't actually disprove anything, resorts to "ur dumb go away"
Here I thought summer was over

Skullbone
Skullbone

Where was this posted ?

Evilember
Evilember

Fluff.

I mean I could choose not to roll moral? Maybe make them auto fail just to block enemy units that benefit moral.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Why would you deliberately choose to interpret the rules that defy all fucking logic of interpretation of the English word 'can' and disregard the rule line that clearly states 'alternate choosing units to fight with until all eligible units have fought once each' ?

Quick acting like a fucking nigger and accept that the rules say you're wrong, and you're forced to engage in combat.

You choose not to fight. A judge is called. You are ordered to proceed with the fight phase as per the rules, and make all of your required attacks. You refuse. You're DQ'd out of the tournament and even though you're sad, someone else was made happier for it, so you're okay with that.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Tank has one wound
Auto concede moral so it doesn't explode
Make a character run so they don't get slay

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Don't compare anything to Guard this edition, they are better at everything yet their players are forever unhappy because GW hates IG everything nerfed omfg.

inb4 "we pay points for orders so its fair and balanced"

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Never roll moral on the battlefield - morality has no place in the grim darkness of the distant future.

Rolling morale, on the other hand, is a very good idea.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Any unit that charged or has models within 1" of an enemy unit CAN be chosen to fight in the fight phase

B-b-but that's just language!
No. You have to autistically ignore the context of the rest of the game to make any other interpretation work. Are you autistic anon? Why are you bending over backwards to force an interpreation that makes zero sense in the context of the rest of the game?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

"An enemy character with less than 10 wounds can only be targeted..."

It does not say 'less than 10 REMAINING wounds'

It remains adamantly and clearly defined that any model with 9 or less wounds that is a character cannot be targeted.

If a model has a Wound characteristic of 10+ and is a character, it can be targeted.

All of you need to please curb your fucking autism.

King_Martha
King_Martha

Seems it's you who can't read lmao
I like how you just ignore the part at the end where it says
until ALL ELIGIBLE UNITS ON BOTH SIDES HAVE FOUGHT ONCE EACH.
Which very clearly itself means everyone has to fight, but not only that, it also directly means that your interpretation of the line you use as your only defense is wrong

askme
askme

Stay assblasted, marinekid

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

This was about overwatch an the shooting phase.
I don't even.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Seems like a stretch when it was explicitly stated beforehand that you can nominate a unit to fight, not that you have to.

SniperGod
SniperGod

Can I choose to auto fail morale?

RumChicken
RumChicken

If you're aware of how a charge functions, you declare a charge, and the defender can elect to fire overwatch.

If you declare a charge with a character that targets a unit that is not engaged in close combat, and is capable of firing overwatch, that unit can fire overwatch at the charging model. You do not target with overwatch shots.

This is why you tie up the models with another squad before you bring your character in, so as to not get them shot to fuck.

You then move on to declare your next charge target after completing a charge move, and resolve further overwatch.

FUCKING HELL DOES NO ONE READ THE GOD DAMN RULES.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

In what situation would you want to do that?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

what do the rules say?

eGremlin
eGremlin

Ya'll need to read official Designers Commentary. Here it is:

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

That means you concede the enemy to fight next. Like you want their guys to hit yours first for a stronger benefit.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

I need magnetic bases- 25mm, 40mm and 60mm for storing my guard and orks in ammo cans.
Does anyone know of a company that makes some? Galeforce nine used to, but they're no longer a thing.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

seems like a stretch
Its as clear cut as can be that you must fight with every unit that can (read: is able to; is not more than an inch away from an enemy unit), its a fucking stretch that your inbred ass even considers that he might be allowed not to fight
This just goes to prove that even 2 pages of rules are too much for some retards in the community, much like yourself

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

It's not slain. Morale fails are actually a strong way to circumvent a shit ton of abilities.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Do you believe there will be a civil war in the imperium? What chapters will take what sides?

Lunatick
Lunatick

You can't do that. Anything that charges will always fight first unless there's some wonky special rule. The only option to delay attacks is choosing some other squad and hoping your enemy chooses the squad you'd like them to hit first.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

I know you're getting upset because you're wrong anon but tone down the autism a notch

Soft_member
Soft_member

RETARD B T F O

takes2long
takes2long

prolly to prevent greater bullshit like rubbing up against devastators to avoid them firing on you or [insert bullshit]

massdebater
massdebater

1 Choose unit to charge
2 Choose target
3 Enemy resolves overwatch
4 Roll 2d6 and make charge

You can always shoot characters on overwatch if they're charging you while you're not engaged. Overwatch does not target.

Inmate
Inmate

I'd say the fact that "Any unit...CAN be chosen to fight in the Fight phase" is first, followed by "choosing eligible units to fight with" makes it clear that you don't have to fight if you don't want to but obviously your opponent can choose to make them eligible, so the point is kind of moot
you choose which units you want to fight with, making them eligible to fight
if you don't choose them then they are not eligible

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

I need a rule that says i can choose not to fight

Or you can use..common sense?
Gee, if i stick my burning sword in a highly explosive vehicle it might blow up. Therefore i choose not to stick it.

If an opoonent tries to force me to fight i will stick my dice in his throat and roll to hit there.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

See
And strongly consider suicide

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

So wait even if this is after charge you can't pass the fight phase so our go later?

Why even say "can"

Techpill
Techpill

See

Then kindly kill yourself, or at least sterilize yourself to prevent your genes from polluting the pool.

Methnerd
Methnerd

warhammer 40k facebook page a few minutes ago

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Too bad, mongoloid

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

You can still just make a single attack and say that unit fought.

Emberburn
Emberburn

If you think common sense trumps the rules, why are you even using the rulebook to begin with? Just apply "common sense" to everything. Definitely the best approach.

Emberfire
Emberfire

Can means 'capable of doing so' YOU FUCKING RETARD.

MAY is a permissive word. This is why your teacher always fucked with you for asking 'Can I go to the bathroom?'
HURR I DONT KNOW, CAAAAAAAN YOU?
"...may I go to the bathroom?"
No, sit the fuck down and finish your test. Piss yourself for all I care.

Evilember
Evilember

There's no need to be so hostile, asshat

RavySnake
RavySnake

So a Stormraven is basically a flying Land Raider. How would it be painted when transporting Terminators: black or white ?

WebTool
WebTool

Yeah but you can't target characters with the guns. Doesn't say shoot phase anymore.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

I mean the guy is clearly wrong. It says 'can' meaning you have the option of not attacking. You need to accept you're wrong anon, give it up

RumChicken
RumChicken

Except thats wrong, every single other time GW uses wounds it means wounds remaining.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Any normal person doesn't have problems with these things, its just your autistic ass who can't read. Now have some bleach bud

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

normal shooting attack
Does this includes the new CA rules?

TechHater
TechHater

You didn't read the whole thing.

FastChef
FastChef

Lol calm down it was a simple questiom

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

You quote me but not the other guy. Funny.

And after you've been a complete ass for the last... hour or more, you suggested you'd cram dice in your opponent's throat and punch him.

Illusionz
Illusionz

what army has the highest % of neckbeards and why is it imperial guard?

its gotta be like 90% neckbeard to normie ratio

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Normies aren't waacfags

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

How are you still eating up the bait? Ridiculous

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

OVERWATCH DOESNT TARGET YOU FUCKING IDIOT. I POSTED THE GOD DAMN RULE PAGE RIGHT THERE.

TELL ME WHERE IT SAYS THE UNIT BEING CHARGED TARGETS THEIR ATTACKER?

Lunatick
Lunatick

then how come they didnt just use the wording from the old character rule where they explicitly stated "wound characteristic"

im choosing to interpret the CA rule to mean wound characteristic because the alternative is just too stupid

Booteefool
Booteefool

Shut your yap. This was clearly a case design team couldnt forsee happening. If they did they would not have written that.
Therefore i am igoring it in favor of the rule that overrides it. Common Sense.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

...

In the old rules if I shoot out of shoot phase can i target characters?

If I can't then overwatch can't.
If I can oh wow that's an interesting tactic.

farquit
farquit

normies
40k

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

hurrr i got you with the bait

5mileys
5mileys

It says a model must make all of its attacks, but a unit is different. A unit is not always a model. You can make a Guardsman attack once with all of his attacks and then say the unit fought.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Resolved like normal shoot phase

Do you target in shoot phase?

hairygrape
hairygrape

This

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Lion returns after Gigglyjam declares Imperium Thirdanius
Lion joins, but tensions rise as he and Ganjagram disagree over every policy
Civil War begins
Grandeflan teams up with the Asuryani
Liono with the Crons
Suddenly, Abaddyboo and the Dindu Two show up
Both sides have to fight together to succeed
But before the final blow was struck to Abaddon, Lemon Crust breaks through the wall and accidently lets his Brothers escape
Gerrymander and Meowmix, now united, have to deal with Russ
9th edition comes out

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

New strat for DA revealed

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

It's moments like this when we desperately need devices with which to stab mother fuckers through the internet, while they're snickering and acting like they're the best troll ever.

Because really, you need to die.

Emberfire
Emberfire

It says all the attacks possible must be made.

SniperGod
SniperGod

i was just pretending to be retarded

RumChicken
RumChicken

No. Don't you fucking lie about shit posted clearly. Read it. Again.

Overwatch is resolved like a normal shooting attack.

It does not say 'like normal shoot phase' and never once mentions the defending unit TARGETING an attacking unit.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Considering this isn't limited to models with Chapter Tactics it means that it can be used on a Land Raider that got charged and is backing out.

FastChef
FastChef

the retards move from their outer walls to the inner ones because their defenses are being breached

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Would Ahriman try to seek redemption is Guilliman's reformed Imperium if he found a way to reverse the rubric? I know he hates the Imperium right now but if Guilliman gets his way it could change drastically. Now the chance of them actually being allowed to rejoin would be a different matter completely.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

If a models unit is locked in combat that model is considered locked in combat, and therefore MUST make its attacks if able

whereismyname
whereismyname

i have seen normies play 40k.

fucking chads and their space wolves

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Technically that guy is right though

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Do you target with a normal shooting attack?

viagrandad
viagrandad

They will soon regret it.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Would Ahriman try to seek redemption is Guilliman's reformed Imperium if he found a way to reverse the rubric?

Considering Guilliman's waifu can reverse the Rubric. Flaunted the fact to Ahriman's face, and proceeded to fuck Ahriman over.

Probably not. If nothing else it's personal between Ahriman and the Ynnari. And we know who Guilliman will side with.

cum2soon
cum2soon

Hmm. is paying 235pts+a (for relic tax unit) for 36" Heavy 27 S5 AP-1 D1 shots worth the points? I mean Sicaran Punisher.

idontknow
idontknow

He wasn't right about the first thing and he isn't right about this one
This is just like "summoning after disembarking"

likme
likme

reminder that Slaanesh is the best chaos god

hairygrape
hairygrape

This not all the models can attack but the models that can must.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

You don't need to remind us, we already know

Emberfire
Emberfire

In the shooting phase, you choose targets.

Resolving overwatch is 'like' a normal shooting attack, only it does not mention anywhere that you will be choosing to target an enemy model. You are shooting at your would-be attacker, who has declared a charge.

You choose your weapon profile, and resolve your attacks using that profile.

You only select a target in the Shooting Phase.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

if Slaanesh is best god why am I not fapping to stuff right now?

checkmate chaosfags

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Why can't you summon after disembarking? Isn't that before the phase begins? Sounds like a dumb negative for summoning.

TechHater
TechHater

imagine being 8 foot tall and having a god who can spawn perfect waifus for you out of nothing, the only price being your service in defeating your enemies
that would be awesome
when I'm done with this loyalist army and get an airbrush to paint skin in super detail, it'll be slaanesh all the way

eGremlin
eGremlin

You can only summon if you don't move. Disembarking is moving.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Because you're at work..? That's my reasoning.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Wrong, this is why chaos will forever be weak.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

See the part what makes this obvious bait isn't just the fact that it was posted in the first place, but also the way its written
The one being replied to doesnt say anything about it being disallowed, it just mentions the summoning stuff. Despite this the reply starts with "why can't you?"

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Because you just finished fapping? Gotta take a break to hydrate between sessions, you know.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

No, you can summon if you give upo your movement, you can move after disembarking, they're two seperate actions.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

there are actually plebs out there who need to wait in between faps

farquit
farquit

I just assumed because context, you can summon?

5mileys
5mileys

Rulebook is not the word of god.
It is a guideline to help you simulate battles in the 41st millenium. Most people forgot that fact and are treating it as the holy scripture .
It is written by humans and therefore is fallible.
If the rules at any point hinder your ability to simulate your battles in a way that conforms to logic and in universe lore. It is safe to ignore that part of the rules.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Rulebook is not the word of god.
This, I often give myself 10 shooting phases per turn and if my opponents disagree and I use my weighted dice when we roll off on who gets to decide the rule.

Snarelure
Snarelure

Disembarking counts as moving. Stop baiting. Read the transport rules.

They still count as having moved for any rules purposes, such as shooting Heavy weapons.

Skullbone
Skullbone

Are there any non-bone white Dreadnoughts in DA? Because IIRC only accomplished heroes of the chapter can become a dreadnought and with DA they must have all joined the Deathwing before they die.

Emberburn
Emberburn

Because common sense would make you think moving out of phase still counts as movement but for abilities it does not

Emberfire
Emberfire

Yeah no you had your chance, next time you gotta make it a bit more discreet. I've seen the exact same reply before as well so that doesnt help either
See now that the first bait was obvious, non-retards won't fall for the follow-ups
People who fall for it will respond even to the obvious ones like

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Bob should have wrote this one first page of Codex 10000 years ago.

eGremlin
eGremlin

Yes but they do not count as moving for abilities.

The ability is also not about the movement itself but the phase.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Rules saying that I lose if X condition happens hinders my ability to continue simulating battle.

Therefore, it is safe to ignore that part of the rules.

I win every game, now.

FastChef
FastChef

Exodus port from 30k.
He allows a chosen unit in 3" to ambush an enemy unit gaining bonuses if they weren't in LoS at the beggining of the turn.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Any. Rules. Purposes.

Read, if you can you fucking nigger.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

We need a new thread to escape this autism

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Dreadknights are about twice as tall as a boxnaught.
Other than that, make him a walking chapel. Books here and there, purity seals, etc.

whereismyname
whereismyname

you can't run from yourself

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Hey baby, Commorragh isn't the only place getting freaky tonight

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Lazy bait is lazy

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

I like this idea
i would also like an hq or elite unit with a shield

Soft_member
Soft_member

Infact let me add a bit of real world legal doctrine to that.
Mind you it will be the ultra abridged and simplfied version.
In Continental European Legal system if a judge comes across a situation where laws that were written conflict with the case in hand (not penal case) in such a way that judge can say '' If the Law Maker could have forseen this event happening he would not have written this law '' He has the right to create his own law in that specific case. And only applicable to that specific case. It is not binding in any other case and it is not even binding himself in his future cases.

To compare the situation to our shitty toy soldier game it is clear that such a situation was not forseen by the writers of the rulebook. And if they had forseen it they would not have put such a rule, or they would have worded it differently.
Therefore player can make his own rule in this case. By following the main two main guidelines . Honesty and rightness.

5mileys
5mileys

I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. My friend says you can't but I told him it's the movement that the character chooses to make.

Like it doesn't stop anything because I can just secure a charge and summon next turn for the same exact effect but with a better charge lined up.

Like it would seriously just be better to jump out and charge. Summoning only makes a bubble maybe but you have a tank for that and you would be better off inside if it's a sadfety issue. Otherwise you're pissing away points for the danger you put them in after summoning.

massdebater
massdebater

It counts as moving but the rule says youre not allowed to move, only that you have to give up your movement.
You move when you disembark and then you have regular movement after that which you can give up.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

I've got a better guideline:

Don't play the politics game and re-interpret the rules to suit your needs as they arise.

Also, please do tell me when Guiliman would decide not to fight something that is trying to kill him? Are you suggesting that he himself has the metaphysical knowledge of associated danger with destroying a Hellhound based on probability and dice rolls, so your choice to not attack would be his gambit of 4d chess that no one can perceive?

Techpill
Techpill

RULES≠ABILITIES

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Yeah no. Any newfags that see this, read
Now, please refrain from continuing and try again next thread. Maybe you'll get some genuine (You)s

SniperGod
SniperGod

You kids are so new you probably have no idea what house rule even means.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

I'm enough of a sperg to make a flowchart for picking an army. It's brought down to 4 armies. SM, BA, DA and CSM.

And now I'm trapped between those 4.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Thousand Sons, share our pain, unless you don't include them in CSM.

eGremlin
eGremlin

Can SM bike shoot all of his guns including the pistol or does he has to choose between twin boltguns and pistol ?

whereismyname
whereismyname

metaphysical knowledge
destroying a Hellhound
A giant tank fileld to the brim with promethium
metaphysical knowledge

Babies learn to not touch stoves after a few times. Average 4chan 40k player does not.

Nojokur
Nojokur

No, I mean regular Codex: Chaos Space Marines. I'm not a huge fan of Tzeentch stuff.

Supergrass
Supergrass

Veeky Forums/thread/56812434#p56812434
Veeky Forums/thread/56812434#p56812434
Veeky Forums/thread/56812434#p56812434

New thread.

OP image is Cool New Blood Angels Fluff™

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

I'm not a huge fan of Tzeentch stuff.
yeah well you're a gay anyway

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

You've been exposed. Just cut your losses and run.

That's like saying you can call the Tau Mont'ka or Kauyon (I forget which) and then have a deep strike of XV8s join your commander, and argue that they benefit from it, even though they themselves have moved this turn.

I don't have Chaos in front of me but if something says "You may not move" then if you move, or count as having moved, you no longer meet the condition required.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

And if they had forseen it they would not have put such a rule, or they would have worded it differently.

We do not and can not have knowledge about that.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Also, if they were correct about overwatch targeting it would mean that if unit A charge you you can choose to shoot overwatch at unit B. Which is advanced stupid.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

What about laws that are completely nonsensical?

I think we should all agree just ignore chapter approved until the FAQ comes out.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Is it just me or is summoning shit.

Most characters auras don't work on them.
You need three turns after deepstriking to even move them.
and they don't even fill the much needed troop positions.

Only use I see for them is making walls behind enemies in small choke points. If you string them from characters.

Always thought of them as like new threat that grows in danger over time but that 3 turn wake time is horrendous

cum2soon
cum2soon

"All eligible units must fight in the Fight phase; they cannot 'pass' and wait for another phase".

Beside the trolls, there is people in this thread that don't understand this, moreover they argue against it.

Snarelure
Snarelure

There is an alarming amount of actual real life screaming green retards on this thread and in the hobby in general
Just look at any of GW's comment section they haven't shut down

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

I WANT A NEW GOOD 40K GAME ALREADY

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

In the Grim Darkness - Guy Haley

Got this off one of the VK Warhammer pages, really good source for rules and books, however searching it on the Black Library site and Goodreads yields nothing. Where was this story originally from?

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Do you have advent Ahriman audiobook?

Methshot
Methshot

you can easily get a lot of audiobooks by creating a vk account

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

But it wants my phone number.

Techpill
Techpill

Cawl loves to listen to music while working

That's pretty cool

Nojokur
Nojokur

I know it's been two hours since you posted this, but I must tell you that you are retarded

cum2soon
cum2soon

If Marines are losing more than one dude to morale it usually means the entire squad is dead.

That portion of their tactic is basically just to cuck Night Lord fags even harder.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Rules-wise isn't he just a shitty Contemptor?

MPmaster
MPmaster

to no ones surprise, the Forgeworld side of things was mishandled, AGAIN.

Emberfire
Emberfire

Not just any music.

He listens to Mozart. He doesn't know the name properly. He likely doesn't even know the language he spoke. But tens of thousands of years into the future, there is Mozart.

I like him.

Inmate
Inmate

don't we have a commentary from the rules designers themselves that say "nope! you have to fight with all units that are engaged!"
which tells us exactly the Intent of the rule?

Flameblow
Flameblow

A Stealthsuit character who makes his unit viable in combat, at least against GEQ.

StonedTime
StonedTime

Good luck trying to tell that to a bunch of rule lawyering nerds. If it isn't written down, they won’t believe it.

happy_sad
happy_sad

as in we have a PDF FAQ Directors Commentary on the Community website

StonedTime
StonedTime

yeah T4 is for the big bois

JunkTop
JunkTop

But what about horde armies with huge centerpiece models?

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