The villain of the current arc of my campaign is a noblewoman from a foreign country who was raped by the king of the...

The villain of the current arc of my campaign is a noblewoman from a foreign country who was raped by the king of the PC's country while a hostage. She's devoted her time, effort and magical talent to getting her revenge - and has as a consequence destabilized the PC's country and harmed/killed many innocent people.

Now, my PCs stated goal at this point is to find her, capture her and rape her again. Two questions:
>1) Should I put a stop to this?
>2) If I don't, how much of a DM bullshit move is it for me to have the noblewoman have implanted herself with a magical explosion that'll kill her and anyone nearby if someone ever tries to rape her again?

My PCs aren't normally this edgy. They just... really hate this villain. And I admit I probably made a mistake with her backstory, but I was inspired by the novel Inversions.

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>rape

Oh boy, I bet this discussion will be civil and on topic.

Also you were the one who openly invited the players to the edgy arms race, OP.

Tell your players they're being fucking creeps.

This. Being passive aggressive doesn't work.

Jesse Custer wanted to kill God because the bastard walked out on humanity. Your players want to rape a rape victim because she's seeing the consequences of her rapist's actions to their extreme conclusion, and standing up for her own personal justice. I'd rather do a heel face turn than follow through with your party's plans. Seriously, your players are fucked in the head, but their ambitions are oddly fascinating none-the-less.

Well, the explosion precaution thing doesn't seem out of character for what you've told us of her.
But... yeah, there might be a problem there. Try and rearrange things so that they seem morally greyer? Maybe have her realize what she's done? If she was supposed to be sympathetic in some way, you might have fucked up somewhere along the line.

Stop being such a bitch.

Just let use poison, a knife or something.
Keep it subtle, silent and fast.
Have her concern be to kill herself not her enemies to drive home she doesn't want to experience it again.

Just have her rape the PC's with her 15 inch futa dick, she also fucks them so good they need to make a will save to keep from becoming her hopelessly addicted cockholster.

imho, ymmv...

1) If you are uncomfortable, as a person, with their plans, say to the players, "Hey, I am uncomfortable with this plan, can we have a discussion about that? I don't want to ruin your agency as players, but I'm not cool with it and don't want to play it through."

If you just kind of think it's creepy and OTT and feel like you "should" stop them, but ultimately, it's not a big deal beyond possible alignment changes, ally reactions; etc then just let it go. I'm really not comfortable with rape as a topic, but if it shows up in games where I trust the players, it's not really a big deal to me because I know they're not going to get upset if bad shit happens in response to them doing bad shit.

2) I personally don't think that's a bullshit move. It seems like something a person with weaponized trauma would do in a magical setting where it's possible. It'd only be fair play for it to be something they could discover through any sort of investigation, though. Like if they took as hostage one of the noblewoman's handmaidens or managed to somehow get hold of a diary of hers.

bonus - You might be interested in the novel Belladonna, as it has a vaguely similar heroine. I'm not familiar with Inversions, but Belladonna is set against the backdrop of World War (II, I think?).

let them. this is a role-playing game and thats a viable option. whats wrong with letting your ocs be edgy and rape an imaginary girl

I would have no problem incinerating PC's trying to rape her in this situation. I would likely not let them reroll after either.

"Sorry, you god doesn't let you cast Raise Dead as he doesn't have interest in having his divine energy wasted on raising a wannabe rapist."

Re: Belladonna, I mean the one by Karen Moline.

Are you sure you want to stop it cold? It's sort of interesting that this is the most destructive thing they can think to do for revenge on a hated enemy who'd agree with them about that.

Just get her to kill herself somehow. Or go nuts in a psychotic break, or rescued by an ally with a teleportation spell or two. Maybe she can cast teleportation spells as well?

Try making her the romantic interest of one of the pc.

I get the impression it's more about doing the worst thing imaginable to the BBEG than scoring some moral point.

You could just have an earnest discussion with your players about it if it bothers you that much. You're still the GM, you have the authority to shut down their plans if it doesn't sit right with you for any reason.

No. The PCs are perfectly justified, if she's the villain. Don't make the DM's mistake of getting so invested in the villain, you actually want the villain to win. More importantly, don't make the villain your waifu.

high stakes rape political intrigue where the loser is on the bottom and the winner cums out on top

She's obviously intelligent. Sjhe's had it happen before, soi she'd take the most obvious precaution.

Inucrable disease or pernicious,
slow acting poisons so whomever rapes her next time dies in hideous agony. she would love nothing better than to have the king try and rape her again. and as she dies from the inevitable murder your players will inflict,
she'll die laughing. and then a week later they start to suffer living rot, their bodies falling apart around them.

It's only what they bring on themselves.

I somehow don-t feel it would be weir if she took precautions to never be touch by man again without her consent. specially if she is an enchantress.
Maybe her body could dissolve in sand and curse the perpetrators if they try to do it, sounds very elegant.

I think this lead to the second question of "Is it a dick move for her to have counter measures"

The latter seems too much of a 'fuck you' to players. Also, it's a pretty ridiculous idea. What, does she have a magic bomb in her vagina that explodes if she doesn't consent?

That's possibly the dumbest thing I've heard. (It would be reasonable for her to have a vial of poison she'll drink if she's backed up against a wall, though.)

are you, personally, made uncomfortable by the PC's plan? Or do you not have any issue, but are aware that it IS somewhat fucked? If you are uncomfortable, then you should tell your players and have a dialogue with them, if you just think its creepy, that would be because it is, but if a player wants to be a creepy fuck, as long as its not upsetting to the others I'd let them.

And if you drop hints that she has rigged herself to blow, and as long as it doesn't come out of fucking nowhere, then the explosive option is fine.

>They just... really hate this villain
Do they hate her because you didn't handle her properly or because she's a shit villain?

>players hate the villain
>this is a failure of the DM
wut

I mean, viscerally, since they want to rape her again.
Like the difference with hating and loathing someone, or in this case, wanting to defeat the villain and want the shit villain to go away so a better one can appear in the game.

You can still fuck a corpse

This was a bad idea in every respect

>And I admit I probably made a mistake with her backstory
>Exposing a bunch of roleplaying nerds to rape
Yes.

Next time one of your players says that, just look at them and say "So, let me get this straight. Your idea of a justified punishment is rape?"

>when OP keeps getting (OP)s to his magical realm thread but the poster count doesn't go up

The players enter her room at night. She's fast asleep and totally defenseless. They step up to the bed... and trigger the traps. Suddenly, hundreds of tentacles snap close around them. She sits up in bed, totally nude, looking at her playthings. Oh yes, everybody's getting raped tonight.

OP, you've discovered your players are not worth the consideration we give to the stupidest animals. It's time you rape them. Rape their characters. Rape their characters' loved ones. Rape the players. I don't usually like to break out older material, but they need to hide their kids and hide their wife because you need to be rapin' everybody out there.

>Putting rape in a game.

Get your SJW shit out of here.

A way to alert the players to the countermeasures is to make a direct assault upon her person near impossible, this could result in them taking a more conventional 'siege' approach to the 'enemy'. Disrupting her plans, destroying her support base or otherwise breaking down her schemes and defences covertly or openly. The encroaching demise of the antagonist would cause them to take obvious countermeasures to stop a repeat of last time with a vengeful king. These 'personal countermeasures' don't have to be explosive. A powerful curse may be more fitting depending on the setting. Allowing you to inform the PCs of the danger/alter there decisions, deepen the campaign and chastise the players in a reasonable manner. Alternatively, if you do divert the players from the current course the king may still try and rape her again with possibly reformed players seeking to alter this or the subsequent death or cursing of the king/ controversy further destabilising the kingdom they sought to protect.

Furthermore, if they do go ahead with the rape and you don't blow them up, you could also have them socially outcast. It was 'ok' when the king did it, or that wasn't public knowledge, but when the local branch of murder hobos rape a noble woman before the reveal of her schemes or even a trial the king may have to punish them to save face. Creating a sort of self inflicted double crossing form the person they sought to champion.

>When you spend a shtiload of words to say nothing

) If I don't, how much of a DM bullshit move is it for me to have the noblewoman have implanted herself with a magical explosion that'll kill her and anyone nearby if someone ever tries to rape her again?
You don't need her to do anything so suicidal. Just steal an idea from ancient India instead.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visha_Kanya#History

Basically, have her spend the years since being raped by the King gradually consuming ever larger doses of a poison until she's completely resistant to it even at concentrations where her bodily fluids are deadly to normies.

1.) No, unless it makes players or you seriously uncomfortable.

2.) That's a logical thing to do. We have anti-rape dick ripper devices today.

Also, if the PCs are trapped/captured they can be tortured/murderfucked/cursed in anyway you want to inflict, whilst being justified by the antagonists fury for those who would seek to inflict upon her that which caused her to destabilise an entire kingdom just to get back at one king. Poetic justice?

>letting your players sense weakness
Just have her kill herself. Cyanide capsule or something.

Yeah, its late and I though it was pretty verbose but cbf to cut it down. Im not trying to be a 'verysmart' but thats just how I babble. To be fair I understand what I'm saying and thats all that maters, right?

Is rape and weird fetish shit standard fare for most games? I'm forever DM so it never has those sort of things, but I hear about it on Veeky Forums pretty regularly.

Do a bunch of sweaty dudes in a flgs discuss this while rolling their dice? Do strangers on roll20? Is it a strictly text-based thing?

The'll rape the corpse. If they are determined to be edgy and feel cheated.

Well then why even try to dissuade them, it'll all be over in a few minutes
In my experience it happens in two groups: complete randos and close friends. Close friends feel like they don't have to put on a filter and randos are filled with greasy spergs with fucked up fetishes. Random groups are how you actually get furry stories.

Mate, pretending rape doesn't exist because you cant handle mature themes or it hurts your feelings is the definition of SJW.

My friend, not every group is made up of people who are out to attack everyone else in it and are gleeful to figure out a sore spot. If OP's group *is* like that, it wouldn't surprise me, but talking to people isn't automatically something you avoid to protect yourself. Holy shit.

I don't know about randos, but is right. When you're with friends, you usually don't care, and if someone does care, they can tell they're uncomfortable and we'll move on to something else.
It's not an ERP thing, it's just that well, dark things happen in real life, and sometimes games take inspiration from that. But it's not something you should abuse for instant edgy points. I like DMing horror one-shots, and the only time I've used this kind of theme, it wasn't rape but an evil guy creepily hitting on one PC while they were infiltrating an evil guy banquet. What you >imply always works best than what you outright say.

Well my group is friends and if they really thought rape was the only fitting punishment for her crimes I would let them. I can't really emphasize with this problem I just think telling them no is kind of shitty unless there is a good ingame reason for it. The GM is the one who made up the rape backstory. If you really don't want her to get raped have her kill herself or railroad them. Don't expect them to be satisfied though.

>PC's king violated guests rights, prisoner's rights, and the rights of the nobility is a single act

By medieval standards he's the villain, and the collapse of his nation is God's punishment.

I had rape in my GOT game, but that's because GOT is edgy as fuck and they were playing what are basically vikings. You'll know pretty quickly if you have a player who's trying to insert fetishes into games, be it rape or furry shit.

This. My biggest question on this whole dilemma is why the PCs don't just kill the king.

This

Why is your villain the good guy? When a king sins against the laws of man and god the ruin of his nation is the fitting consequence.

>how much of a DM bullshit move is it for me to have the noblewoman have implanted herself with a magical explosion that'll kill her and anyone nearby if someone ever tries to rape her again?
That's bullshit. Just let them rape her.

She's not the good guy, she just have a reason to feel entitled and justify for the atrocities she's committing.

>she
OP is clearly presenting the king of the PC's native land as the good guy when he is inarguably in the wrong, and a war to depose and execute him is perfectly justified.

A king represents his nation. If he wrongs you, destroying his nation to get to him is entirely fair game.

>they just... really hate this villain
why?

Not really, she would've taken some precautions

So it wouldn't matter if the rape victim was a commoner?

Of course not. In medieval times it was understood that there is a mystical connection between the king and his land. Under a poor king, the land suffers and withers. Nothing happens if there's a crummy peasant.

>haha King Forcedick V is such a card always raping peasants! what a slave to his lusts lol!
>The King touched a noblewoman? DESTROY HIS KINGDOM AND BRING ME HIS DEAD
Just saiyan, bit of a moral discrepancy there

You replied to a bait post.

I bet you feel pretty silly right now.

>OP is clearly presenting the king of the PC's native land as the good guy when he is inarguably in the wrong
First time in a bait thread? Pro-tip: the scenario OP described didn't actually happen.

There is no discrepancy because peasants are not worth the same moral consideration.

>Now, my PCs stated goal at this point is to find her, capture her and rape her again.
Just kill yourself.

The solution to problems like this is always a conversation. You'll never solve it with gameplay. Sorry.

By raping a noblewoman he's effectively raping her lands. This theoretically harms all the peasants under her power as well. Raping the peasant is just raping one person. Hell, if it helps him be a better king in other areas it could even be said to be a net good act.

Not saying it's fair, just saying that's how it was thought.

OP, it's you who brought rape into the game in the first place. If a raped woman is a villain to you, then don't be a fagot and let your players go all the way.

Also, you're a fagot anyway.

>who was raped
stopped reading right there.
usual complaints about rape as a plot device.
>PCs stated goal is to rape her again.
ThatGM and ThatGuy players.
You're the cancer that's killing Veeky Forums

This is a surprisingly good idea. You could mention through a network of spies or rumors that she is gathering/hiring alchemical specialists and rough types. Have the commonfolk complain about in increase in taxes so she can put up a giant green house and laboratories. Watch towers along the border report there is movement of small enemy troops headed to dangerous parts of the wilderness. The pcs come across a dead party of her hirelings who appear to be searching for some sort of ingredient. In her green house she grows toxic plants and her laboratories are filled with powerful poisons and antidotes. That way when your PCs go through with their plans they get chumped.

>Just saiyan, bit of a moral discrepancy there
Yes, but sadly people in ye olde times didn't abide by the exact same moral codes as we did.

What, so you can rape NPCs in a backstory but you can't handle it when the players do it? Quit being such a little bitch OP.

Just having a magical explosion the way you described is kind of dumb but definitely having a suicide contingency plan if she gets raped again sounds perfectly in-character for such a villain. ESPECIALLY if it causes massive collateral damage.

Personally I'd like to see something that doesn't immediately kill the PCs, though, but rather let them know they VASTLY fucked up. Like, if she made some sort of demonic pact where she can forfeit her soul to trigger a massive demon invasion.

Have her wear a tube with spikes in it in every orifice, the tips laced with a strong poison. Any pressure goes on it? Bam, spikes deploy. Instant castration and probably poisoning short of a FORT save or equivalent.

This would be excellent. Basically, if they try to rape her, destroy the kingdom. Acting like a bunch of edgelords should always have consequences.

You could further twist the knife by having her responsible for culling so many souls that she ends up as demonic nobility.

>raping someone in the right circumstances causes a large magical disaster and upgrades them into a powerful demon
>PCs become social engineers, taking advantage of this to turn themselves into demon lords ruling an apocalyptic hellscape

It wouldn't be the act of rape. It'd be her invoking some contingency she spent years constructing, that snuffs her out and brings an apocalyptic doom to the kingdom. Something that relied on her having vast magical resources and having already bloodied her hands with loads of death.

>not including trapping her soul as part of their plan

Are they even evil characters?

They want to get revenge on her for fucking up their country and killing their compatriots, and do it in a way they know will make her suffer greatly. I usually play characters that are either lawful, good, or both, so it's not something that I'd do, but I can understand the logic behind it.
I don't see how it's edgy either; given the kinds of torture and execution methods common throughout history, that's pretty tame.

Just have her commit suicide before they can lay a hand on her, or do what said. It'd make sense for her to come up with some anti-rape-trap and wear it at all times. These exist IRL and having the means and motivation, your villain could have commissioned one made from intestine or something.

Easy, have her get eviler.
She turns to devils and such as allies, starts plunging entire cities into the abyss, that sort of thing.
And when the PC's get to her? She's a high level Fiend of some sort, like a pit fiend or an Erinyes, with 10-20 bearded devil shock troops for guards, plus a few death knights or whatever as Lieutenants.
They ain't fuckin, she fuckin.

Their dick is consumed by a daemon that lives in her vagina.

is your party NE?

1. yes
2. not much- from what youve described it seems in character, and its a fitting and natural way to insert a "you dun fucked up" into the campaigg, although maybe orb of annihilation instead

Jesus Christ that pic is horrifying

t. rapist

when did Veeky Forums become such a bunch of moral posturing prudes?

this place is almost as bad as /co/ now

>The PCs are perfectly justified
No. Personal gratification through vengeance is the reason shes a villain and must be stopped, to then say "but the PC's are justified when they do the same" is nonsense.

That isnt to say the players should be stopped from doing it, nowhere does it state PC's must be good people, and on that same note the explosives described in question 2 provide a natural and fitting consequence for their actions.

I don't allow creepy fetishes on my table, but why did tg become so touchy and spews this bullshit about ''being uncomfortable''? Wtf is this shit, go back to гeddit

>noblewoman from a foreign country who was raped by the king of the PC's country while a hostage
This is highly implausible.

1. There's all sorts of taboos here.
2. Raping the hostage would reduce their ransom value.

I dunno, maybe the rape was justified. Maybe the king's mom was raped by the noblewoman's lord. Maybe it's rape all the way down, an endless chain of rape the PCs are obligated to propagate or the gods smite the world in displeasure.

Wut?

They play villains treat them so. Dont end the game with a rape and say "you thwarted her attempts to usurp the throne, or whatever, the kingdom holds a feast in your honor" make them bring her as a permanent captive to the king. Let him talk to her, and have her tried for her crimes. Durring which the party will go from the task of keeping the realm safe and uncovering plots, to watching their backs and plotting against eachother, lest they too be found out. Townsfolk arent always happy bout players

Tell your players they are being creepy and gross.

What moral posturing? Rape is icky and gross.

Well if people want to make rape a big thing at my game table then I would be uncomfortable along with the other players.

>1) Should I put a stop to this?
I think you’re being a bit of a pussy here. If they planned to murder her I doubt you’d be complaining. Just fade to black. If the PCs are already established to be immoral bastards it’s no big deal unless the players are stroking themselves under the table and getting a sexual thrill. If that’s the case then get new players regardless.

>2) If I don't, how much of a DM bullshit move is it for me to have the noblewoman have implanted herself with a magical explosion that'll kill her and anyone nearby if someone ever tries to rape her again?
It’s absolutely bullshit if you only thought of it once they made their plan known to you. It’s bullshit DM retconning of the highest order unless you had idea since the beginning. I wouldn’t play with a DM who pulled that sort of crap.

Let them, then have her escape, or someone rescues her, or something. Then she devotes her time, effort, and magical talents against the PCs on an individual level, only going even further than she did previously.

Nah, it makes sense for her to create such a thing. Magic is in setting, she has the resources to get magic, and people don't like being raped.

It doesn’t matter if it makes sense in the setting or not. If it was so obvious the DM should have thought of it before the players had their plan. It’s like if there’s a trap behind the door but the player decides to sneak through a window so the DM moves the trap in his notes from behind the door to behind the window. It’s bullshit.