Any reason why wotc doesn't create something like this and sell it to consumers? Would help people trying to get into MTG and allow for more fun kitchen tables and kitchen table tournaments and prevent them to be used in sanctioned tournaments.
Unless it because it will ruin the value in the secondary market because dumb investors refuse to admit that the only reason why demand/price for those cards are so high is because people just want to use them and play with friends. A majority of MTG players could care less about resale value.
Hell put them in boosters, but make every one of the cards mythic/rare or really good uncommons like kitchen finks.
Mainly because unless they also change the face of the card, people would try to play them in tourneys resulting in unsleeved deck checks which becomes a problem in the more expensive formats like modern and vintage.
Aiden Williams
They need an obvious holographic watermark on the front to make it work.
Kayden Cook
Magic had Collectors Edition (Square corners, gold border on the back) and Championship Decks (akin to the current Pokemon ones with gold borders and a different back) in the 90s, but they decided to discounted the former very quickly and the latter in early 2000s due to well ... reasons
Ryan Kelly
Because they didn't sell that well.
Caleb Morris
No one really wanted the top performing decks in a form that is useless for any official format. They were basically selling it as a celebrity player thing, and "top 8 before the internet could stream it" wasn't much of a celebrity presence. Even with the ability for the average player to be familiar with the pros through videos and streams, it still wouldn't sell well due to being unplayable outside of kitchen table magic.
Zachary Young
Supposedly, kitchen table magic makes up the vast majority of magic games.
David Jackson
Kitchen table players usually want to use their own cards in their own decks. Netdeckers might want them, but netdeckers also want to win in real formats, not anything goes casual.
Landon Garcia
Because WotC does not give a fuck about your fun kitchen table cube draft or legacy. They want you to buy whatever stupid ass robot dinosaur Standard set they are producing this block. BUY BOOSTER PACKS!
Justin Foster
autistic collectors would throw a shitfit. the value of these cards would go down if there were official proxies that you could use for cube and kitchen table.
Zachary Phillips
Anything on the reserved list can't be reprinted or functionally reprinted in any form, not even with gold or silver borders. This is legally enforced by an NDA-controlled document.
Isaiah Flores
i don't get why would a company sell both realsies and fake copies of the same product.it's confusing. you either have the real deal from the company or the cheap counterfeit/proxy from your printer/chineses.
no one is stopping you from printing FoW on a piece of paper and gluing it onto a chimney imp to include it into your cube.
Carson Martinez
Well it would put all the chinese printers out of biz. Most people that want proxies just want a card that looks good. Make it have a gold border and a disclaimer in the back and people will buy it to play cube. At the end of the day, cardboard is cardboard. This will impact the secondary market though because the proxy will become a substitute good to the real cards.
Leo Gonzalez
How do you make this quality of proxies ?? I want my dragon so bad but can't buy on Internet (because it's so costy) do you have a manual that I could use ?
Jason Hall
>This is legally enforced by an NDA-controlled document.
Brandon Hall
>Any reason why wotc doesn't create something like this and sell it to consumers? Because by US law the moment the start to sell singles they are by default assigning value to their individual products. Thereby conceding that each booster pack has different value depending on what's inside. So it would then be classified as gambling.
Ethan Morris
Makes sense, a good law to have.
Doesn't change the fact that Wizards can find way to drop fucking prices that doesn't fuck over their games stores.
I understand that taking a fucking haircut from denying sales to places like Walmart is not good business for any company; because to willingly pull shelf placement from a place like Walmart - traditionally a company that denies YOU shelf space, you'll never get back on those shelves again without taking a good dicking. But guess what, you should never have gotten into fucking bed with them in the first place you dumb motherfuckers.
When my LGS owner retires; there won't be a retail market left. And when that happens there won't be play spaces left either for newcomers to find a home. Sure, some people will continue on the kitchen table but new generations won't have a reason to kitchen table.
David Hughes
One interesting theory I saw was that WOTC should open up their own stores and all singles sold there would be 100% based off market value. But again, this could easily conflict with
Brody Hughes
>Doesn't change the fact that Wizards can find way to drop fucking prices that doesn't fuck over their games stores. Easy, just make a masters set that doesn't have boosters triple the usual cost.
Evan King
this
Mason Edwards
What they need to do is print the Vintage Cube with gold borders and "suggest" they could even be used in unsanctioned Vintage and Commander events. That's how you sell out of a $100 non-standard sealed product that "can't be played anywhere".
Brody Thompson
It isn't. The RL has no legal standing and it specifically specifies that they can print the cards in non-sanctioned playable forms such as oversize, with different backs or gold bordered.
Jayden Baker
Now that they're making 2 masters sets a year they could easily make one $10 booster set with the $80+ chase mythics, and one $4 booster set filled with all the $2-$10 cards that are 4x in Modern/Legacy like Bolt, Path and Fatal Push.
Carter Lewis
too bad wizards always fills those sets with trash I bought two packs of Eternal Masters when it released and there wasn't a single card worth more $2
Yea, but you're forgetting one thing. Cards are valued by both the collectors and the players. Except playability will always trump the collectors. If WOTC ever releases it, it will be extremely popular among commanders/kitchen tables. Then you'll start seeing people make "unsanctioned" tournaments. It would actually be really great and people can make their own FNMs without LGS since you can just buy booster boxes online and have those as a prize. Or make it a tourney style of game where people put in $5 into a pool or a season event among friends like a fantasy draft and accrue points from winning and either get cash or prizes. That would fuck over LGS and SCG so bad.
Grayson Garcia
Wizards' lawyers disagree.
Cooper Foster
So why haven't the Feds fucked them over FTVs? And couldn't they sell English singles overseas and let people import them?
Charles Lee
They literally gave two oversize RL cards away as prizes in Eternal Weekend. You don't know shit about how the RL works. The gold cube is a when, not an if.
Luke Rivera
WotC are already fucking over LGS and SCG by giving Wal Mart Iconic Masters and letting people play Standard for free with Arena.
Kayden Martin
Wizards tried their own stores and it failed; because it was a dumb fucking idea that copied Disney stores which was also a dumb fucking idea.
Wizards is like a car manufacturer, there is no fucking way they're going to sell their own product. They don't want to deal with the developing the training programs to manage staff to educate, schmooze, babysit, and otherwise hold the hand of the customer; they'd rather let the store owners or dealerships deal with that bullshit.
Who gives a shit, extreme right wingers are just as welcome as anybody else. We're still playing a fucking game right?
Oh wait, except we've let the fucking game become a political shit-show and all the diversity pandering of these past years has come to roost. The game itself is in a gold-plated toilet and we've attracted the attention of people whose hobby is to get all militant about shit they have no stake in. If the game was in a good place, and it fucking isn't, this wouldn't be a problem. But as it is in the worst fucking place its ever been where you would literally have to have a mental disability and money management problems to pick up Magic as a game. And every fucking little thing like this is rocking an already tipsy boat.
Carson Young
you think this is a fucking game?
Robert Allen
good... fuck the LGS they sell everything way more marked up.
Internet is great because it establishes a greater supply and economies of scale.
Dylan Davis
Can't they just reprint the effects with a different name? I'm pretty sure that a fucking loophole they made.
Jose Ward
God, you people can't even use the proper image with your shitposting anymore.
Your casual shitposting offends me.
Charles Powell
They can't print "Not Tundra, Land - Plains Island", but they can print "Not Tundra" by adding absolutelly any text to the typeline or ability boxes. >Legendary Land - Plains Island >Snow Land - Plains Island >Land - Plains Island Swamp >Land - Plains Island. T: Add to your mana pool. >Land - Plains Island. 1T: Add WU to your mana pool >Land - Plains Island. When this enters the battlefield you gain 2 life. >Land - Plains Island. When this enters the battlefield you discard a card >Land - Plains Island. When this enters the battlefield your opponent may draw a card >Land - Plains Island. When this enters the battlefield return another permanent you control to your hand Are all things that they can do without breaching the RL.
They can't print the same card with a different name. But they can print cards that are almost the same but mechanically distinct (Donate and Harmless Offering), or outright print much better cards (Juzam Djinn vs Abyssal Persecutor and Desecration Demon).
Adam Hughes
seems like snow land is gonna be the best.
Ethan Edwards
this, they need to produce more of Masters sets and FTV and distribute them to retailers who won't overcharge the solution to many of magic's problems can solved with a simple "Print More"
Gabriel Gray
They've always had the means, they're just too chicken shit to do it and fuck over their big stores like SCG. Even if you gave these store notice a decade ahead of time it still wouldn't be okay.
People just can't see off the edge of their own dick. There's one loud faggot at my store who is so against proxies that he torpedoed the Legacy proxy league idea some people put together. He just got so fucking virulent for a couple weeks that the people involved decided to either a) drop it or b) stop coming to the store.
Repeat that for nearly every community and online exploding if they did that.
Jeremiah Gomez
Arctic Wasteland - Land - Plains Island Desert.
Logan Bailey
>Wizards is like a car manufacturer, there is no fucking way they're going to sell their own product. Car manufacturers do want to sell their own product, numbnuts.
Ryan Green
Sure, they do the marketing, throw the dealerships a bit of training, let them paste their logo all over the place.
But it's the dealership that does the majority of the heavy lifting of selling a car. And the manufacture fucks their dealerships all the time.
Aiden Hernandez
Messing with basic land types works because it messes with unprinted rules text. Adding Snow isn't enough. (((Nosewater))) complains about not getting to functionally reprint Thunder Spirit all the time.
William Lee
Why the fuck would that need to be on the reserved list?
Nathan Clark
power creep is a bitch right?
Jason Barnes
For Force of Will and other nonreserved cards, why make non-tournament-playable printings that don't sell when they can make tournament-playable printings that sell?
The only reason why a gold-border, non-legal back would be an affordable option is because no one would want it except lazy, stupid poorfucks
Also what's wrong with the one in the pic? It's literally exactly what you want WotC to make, and is perfectly acceptable as a proxy, so just fucking find one of those or make it yourself you stupid, lazy poorfuck
Wyatt Price
Because selling thousand-dollar cards for nothing looks bad on the originals. You've got cardboard next to cardboard, except one has a stamp that makes it worth a thousand times more.
Evan Russell
WOTC does not make any money off of the secondary market you dumb fuck.
Samuel Sanchez
Most of the cards on there don't. It isn't about playability. It's about the last set it came out in.
Xavier Jenkins
It's a Rare from one of the earliest sets.
Cooper Edwards
>But as it is in the worst fucking place its ever been where you would literally have to have a mental disability and money management problems to pick up Magic as a game
mtg is a fine game right now as long as you only play one of the untainted formats like edh. although wotc has already noticed that there is still a format that people actually enjoy and have already begun the trying to jew commander players
Gabriel James
is that back custom or where can I get the image/buy cards with it?
Elijah Gonzalez
>NDA >Non-disclosure agreement So no one can know what is on the reserved list?
William Lewis
The only cards in the RL that see any meaningfull ammount of play in any format are: >The power 9 >Library of Alexandria >Bazaar of Baghdad >The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale >Gaea's Cradle >The Dual Lands >Mox Diamond >Lion's Eye Diamond >Moat >Null Rod Everything else is fringe playables that only see play in a deck (Chains of Mephistopheles, Nether Void, Drop of Honey, etc.) or total and absolute shit that wasn't ever playable. If they hadn't made Ancestral Recall a rare at the last moment, the second most powerful card ever wouldn't be in the RL.
Brayden Lewis
Legal terminology is a scary and mysteryous thing
Jaxon Jones
The stores that signed it get full spoilers for new sets well in advance.
Jason Scott
Wizards employees can't disclose certain details of the rl, such as why the legal department is so adamant about it, even after they quit or get fired. That means they're under an nda. And since the legal department cares so much, it's some kind of contract.
Wyatt Myers
>Any reason why wotc doesn't create something like this
No idea Op,... no idea...
Thomas Lewis
>And since the legal department cares so much, it's some kind of contract. Or a personal investment. It's been suggested by "sources" that one of Hasbro's primary stockholders is invested in the list.
Evan Mitchell
Easy, even non-playable cards are LIST BANNED. Also because they did. People got confused.
Carson Thompson
But SCG wants no list so they can sell 1000 times the product at %20-60 of the price???
