The Emperor charges Perturabo, the most scientific and technologically gifted of the Primarchs, to "pacify, control...

It makes you wonder, what things exist in the Galaxy that the Emperor himself would consider beyond the scope of all 20 Legions and his Primarchs combined. Some things even the hammer of the Imperial Army and the scalpel of his Astartes were not meant to move against.

>ome things even the hammer of the Imperial Army and the scalpel of his Astartes were not meant to move against.
Well yeah, if people figured out that he stuck a Necron God in the depths of Mars to power all the Mechanicus' crazy bullshit they might question him. I'm of half a mind that a lot of the bullshit deathtraps in Mars were put there on the Emperor's command so people couldn't see what's powering all of Mars.

If some of the Dragon of Mars' memories are true, the Emperor defeated it during the middle ages (as St. George and the Dragon). I'd have no idea how he moved it to Mars, maybe during the early age of spaceflight.

For all we know, it wasn't just the Mechanicum but the very power of the DAoT mankind that is owed thanks to the Dragon.

I like this image, but I wish the artist didn't make all of the Space Marines super fat.

I thought SM were supposed to be much wider in comparison to a human. Not fat but thicker.

Like a hybrid between an NBA 6 and a half foot athlete and a strongman.

They would have to be wide as well as tall. They're chads, not lanklets.

>Each age added their own technical horrors and disasterpieces
To keep the previous ages horrors and disaterpieces down there ?

Its horrors all the way down

Perturabo knew about it. He had punished his captains before for sending soldiers into mindless death.

Perturabo's idea is that soldiers are no more valuable than machines or weapons just because they're alive. It's about resource management, if replacing a soldier is cheaper than replacing a vehicle, then the soldier is more expendable than the vehicle.

Its funny but for all the shit he gets, treating his men as mere weapons rather than human beings makes him closer to the Emperor than any other like Guilliman or Vulkan.

> I'd have no idea how he moved it to Mars, maybe during the early age of spaceflight.
He probably traveled through the warp, but not with spacecrafts. Malcador managed to put Titan on the warp, I think the Emperor could do something like that

Perturabo and the Emperor have the same personality.
The Emperor just managed to control his emotions a bit better

Would the Mechanicus have been okay with that though?

I think the Mechanicus would like the idea of restoring mars and regaining STC's.

Don't a lot of Mechanicus choose to die by venturing into its depths just to see what they can find?

He also had better rates of survival than the other legions for both Space Marines and Guard when he wasn't restricted by the Imperium's rules.

A lot of mechanicum and imperial tech is necron inspired - the glowing green eyes is standard ad mech and I’ve always thought Geller fields were based on necron anti psych fields

The Admech already do go hunting down there a lot. I think they'd probably send the Marines in first with an Explorator and Magos Logis escort to protect and call dibs on anything they find. If they die, then yay, they cleared out a big area and we've got a nice pile of loot, if they succeed by some miracle then there's going to be big piles of stuff we're entitled to and we can carefully comb all the cleared areas for all the tech they have no idea how to spot because they've not got hundreds of years of a. Win-win.

The Dragon is tucked away in a far-flung valley where nobody goes, it's extremely unlikely they'll find it or bother to even check that area since it's a wasteland that fucks with tech.

I do think it's unlikely two Legions would come close to succeeding since the might of Mars has been working on the problem for millenia and not gotten very far, but no harm in trying since the A
Mech have holy and absolute dibs to anything found anyway.

*hundreds of years of training and experience.

>I do think it's unlikely two Legions would come close to succeeding
That may be.

But it'd be a beautiful sight to behold all 20 Legions coming together for a single planetary crusade lead by Empy himself.

That just remind me how i hate and cannot reconcile that Emps had gone out of his way to punish Lorgar for being religious while never lifted a finger against the martians who worshipped him. He never tried to get rid of their toaster worshipping tendencies or how retarded was their believe of machines having souls. Remember, they were not the only ones capable of space flight or fixing stuff. The emperor himself had eggheads in his side and ships enough to go to to Mars and gangpress them into his new empire.

I want to believe that at some level, the Mechanicus is right. There are actual machine spirits, in addition to actual programming, and they are reflections in the warp of mankind's intent when creating devices.

Some of the rituals may be misguided, but there is value in protecting machine spirits from chaos corruption.

You know, I'm not entirely sure even that would work, aside from the bits Empy and Magnus were personally tackling.

Sure, they'd kill most mundane things, butas you get further down they'd start running into outside context problems and DAOT stuff that "throw more guns at it" won't work on, like machine-viruses that overload Marine power packs and blow their torsos open, or crazy tempest-gallery type automata. 20k Salamanders took on the Tempest Galleries, one thousand came out and only by the best of luck. Lower Mars is pretty much an entire planet-sized version of that.

There's pretty strong evidence for the Machine Spirits existing, at least in strong machines like older superheavy tanks, Ordinatii, Titans and starships. The Admech got increasingly dogmatic after the Heresy, but unprotected machines tend to get chaosed more, so it might actually work. Nicely vague.

Also, Emps may have had some eggheads, but Terra is wrecked and they have comparatively very little heavy industry. If he'd have gone to war with Mars he may very well might have lost if they pulled out some bullshit superweapons or got lucky Titan shots in, since he has none of those and is spectacularly outnumbered, and even if he won he'd have wrecked the place that most of his forces can't even begin to understand and he needs to produce ships and arms for the Great Crusade.

Machine spirits are some kind of scrap code or defective AI. Just that. Remember that the emperor told everyone that warp entities were just some kind of alien. He demolished churches whenever he could. He got 200 years to tell the martians "Look that thing in the toaster isn't a spirit or anything likely, just a defective programming"
Yet no media ever show him attempting to reform the martian society, get them rid of their superstition. He tried to abolish religion yet the very people he entrust his technological and industrial sector were basically a religious cult (even if they were not yet the autistic reactionary hoarders of 40k era)

No amount of him abolishing religion or insisting that there are no gods stopped the Chaos gods from existing though.

I'm always intrigued that there are things even the Imperium in the days of the Primarchs and Emperor would find difficult.

>tfw no squad based, Martian dungeon crawler where you recover artifacts and trade them for requisition. You then use the requisition to buy wargear or new squad members.
>forces are drawn from Mechanicus, Iron Hands, and elite AM forces
>enemies are rogue mechanicus, demons, and age of strife techno-horrors
>tfw this won’t ever happen

But in the end he was right, Chaos Gods are not real "gods", but alien thought forms. Immaterial beings from another dimension, but aliens nonetheless.

Machines do have a warp signature. Some of the TS novels say that.

Technically, they're human thought forms. Since the fall of the eldar the warp is heavily based around human emotions.

But thats an issue of theology, not practical matters. Does it matter if they fit whatever your definition of what a "real" god is, when for all intents and purposes they can function as them?

The Emperor isn't a god, but worship of him grants protection to believer and empowers him.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, acts like a duck, and looks like a duck, it starts to become less important if its actually a species of goose.

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If they succeed they secure Mars and the Solar System forever and if the fail the Emperor is rid of the two dumbest Legions and Primarchs.

Its an astounding Imperial victory no matter how it ends.

>two dumbest Legions and Primarchs
>when Curze, Lorgar and Angron exist

Well thats just bullshit, stop shitposting

Curze, lorgar and angron were useful though.

Lorgar has never been useful. Everything he would do, the Ultramarines would manage better. I guess the others were somewhat useful in the right circumstances, thought.

Lorgar would be useful if the Emperor decided to use his brain and declare himself a god and name Lorgar his space Pope

Curze was useful he was plagued by a alternate personality, psychic visions of hell and destruction(that he couldn't avert) and the emperor not reigning him in sooner.

Except for Angron and Horus the emperor pretty much failed every traitor primarch

>and technologically gifted of the Primarchs
That's not Ferrus Manus

Who would be a much better choice of Primarch for this task, or literally any task save maybe fighting Fulgrim

Curze didn't had two personalities. This was based on what Krieg Acerbus said and it's very likely just a metaphor.

There's also that account of the SW and mechanicum teaming up to fight 1 vault with a working Abominable Intelligence, on a planet with many vaults - they kill it, with difficulty, but despite the high value of the planet they sign it off-limits in case another vault wakes up

No idea, but this would make for a hell of a DeathWatch game.

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What?! This sounds cool!

Like it's an "exemplary battle" from the FW HH books, all of which tend to be badass and show the respective legion in a cool light

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Darkest Dungeon: Mars Edition when?

Lorgar's purpose was probably to preach (hah) the Imperial Truth, and be a big public relations guy, the word aspect of the job while Fulgrim and likely Sanguinius were the more image-centric one.

Unfortunately, Lorgar caught a bad case of Chaos. Deep-mind scans should have been fucking compulsory on his parental figures.

Only if you cut out the grinding. Did my head in.

Holy shit that was awesome. We need to do something like this using the Underhive tiles.

If that field can disintegrate Ruststalkers on contact how did throwing a much smaller sword at it do anything? I call hax.

Still z I do like that story, especially since the AI seems to be a mix between SOMA's WAU and the aliens from Edge of Tommorrow, and that's badass.

Mars is filled with things like that, and worse. Scaling up the sheer number of ancient vaults on what's basically a city-planet and comparing it with the sheer number of casualties the two we knew about caused I actually think that every Legion + Emps together would fail to sieze the deeps of Mars.

Play it yourself user, mash up Space Hulk and SW:A rules

Even so he was pretty crazy by any measure. Even his captains gave him weird looks for talking to flayed corpses.

Well, there is actually a Diablo-like 40k game in developpement but as you would expect, it looks like shit.

I'm fairly certain you could send down *all* legions plus the entire Solar Auxilia and the Talons and they'd call it quits within a very short window of time.
There's really bad shit in the unexplored layers, which is pretty much all layers but the outermost ones, down to the core, possibly. Malefic tech-djinn, sentient virus-code, rogue killer-automata and a billion other things, just to start out. Below that there might be corrupted STC forges, C'tan shards, Phosphex lakes or Men of Iron.

I for one, support this great expedition!

The weapon had a power field and is small, the ruststalkers don't and have a whole body that tries to get through.

And yeah, that's ONE silica animus, a machine mind the mechanicum has seen the like of a few times - who knows how much shit like that and worse is in the martian depths

True, but it seemed more a doom-melty field than a physical barrier, I was thinking it would have melted the sword. Whatever, not like SW were going to lose their Exemplary Battle and the Admech got a fine showing as well.

Makes me respect the Synod of Mars a lot more if they're holding off the rogue Doomsday Device of the week as well as running half the Imperium.

They also have to deal with ambitious asshole magi who are sure that THEY can master the wonders of the lost age, because they're so special and so intelligent.

Fortunately most of the DAoT shit stays well asleep, but the mechanicum and their admech successors are well aware of the threats they can pose

Newbie here, what's happened to mars anyways?

About thirty different apocalypses, the most recent of which was a virulent daemonic virus called the Death of Innocence that ripped half her heavy industry to shreds and destroyed or corrupted countless files. Once Mars was recovered after the Heresy they rebuilt it into the greatest centre of knowledge and industry in the Imperium and possibly the galaxy (again, again, again again) but even then it's still dozens of floors and layers of massively productive civilisation, the equatorial space station belt called the Ring of Iron that builds dozens of spaceships a year, the great polar spindles that provide a planetary magnetic field and the great libraries, temples, vaults and fortresses of the Mechanicum
Everything else on that planet is either wasteland (very little of that, it's basically a planetary city with tunnels running literally everywhere). Then you come to the Deeps, and everything above suddenly looks very small.

Mars is a thin shell of civilisation built on the wreckage of countless others, hundreds if not thousands of levels of tunnels and chambers filled with rogue AI that can match Space Marine Legions in combat, rogue mad packs of Servitors, ancient semi-aware superweapons, Dark Age of Technology weapons beyond compare, biological weapons, MORE daemonic viruses and at least one star-eating supergod.

The Mechanicus sends expeditions down regularly to seek knowledge scraps that go uncorrupted after this long, very few return. Those that do are often half-mad wrecks of men, heroes all.

OP is there a book about this? I live in bumpkin land. Veeky Forums is my only place to find 40k stories.

I'd play or even run a Martian Dungeon crawl game in the vein of Heroquest or something similar. Pick a class like Marine, Magos or Skitarii, gather your party and go diving into Maddening Mars

Could be a could basis for a DH campaign too.

Mechanicum has some of the Martian shenanigans, awesome although mostly above ground, def. read that one. Master of Mankind has the Admech playing tunnel rats in the Webway and generally being badasses, although they come out of it just as bloodied as the Custodes and it's not exactly the right ambiance. Cybernetica has scraps, although it's mostly about the magical journey of a Raven Guard Techmarine after all the other Techmarines were killed by one measly Skitarii regiment during the Schism of Mars, the Forge World Black Books have a few cool Admech stories tucked away, like Calleb Decima and his escort surviving on Istvaan III for months and grinding down the Sons of Horus all the way with traps and trickery and sheer bloody-minded determination.

But true Martian tunnel-crawling, no. GW doesn't seem to like providing Admech lore much, but perhaps because of that it's stayed high-quality.

The ones I mentioned should be in the Black Library section of the /hhg/ or /40kg/ MEGAs.

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>Magus Frink approaches a warded, sealed gate in sub-floor B5, accompanied by a datasmith, two kastellan robots, and about fiddy skitarii

"Really though, what's the worst thing you can imagine being behind this door?"

>Door opens

"OMNISSIAH PRESERVE US - SOMEHOW IT WAS SLIGHTLY WORSE! NOT THAT MUCH WORSE THAN I'D IMAGINED BUT INDEED 12% MORE TERRIBLE WE ARE DOOMED--"

>Door closes, seals and wards itself once more

>pitch for a Diablo-esque dungeon crawler ARPG with a Warhammer 40k setting

Please elaborate.

warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Perturabo
>it swiftly came to be said that of all of the Emperor's sons, he was the most gifted in terms of raw scientific and technical intelligence

If I'm not mistaken power fields cancel each other out.

Bump for interest

I meant as a vidya.

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>The Grand Temple of the Omnissiah
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Fulcrum is a mechanic, perty is an engineer

Hmm
So he threw a lump of wierd space ice at it and it worked. Silica Animus brains must be as flimsy as human ones.

Nope, they are lanklets, chad are thin tall fit guys and athletes, none normal woman would want to fuck a space marine.

>Dare thou gaze not upon the black heart of Mars
>'neath doom without number 'neath horrors grandiose and terrible
>where thine hallowed ancestors feared to tread
>Thou would'st wake death in silver clad
>Scurry and hide, oh ye blessed children of mars
>Let thou sleeping dragons lie

That's only because the DB0 was standard operating procedure for him. Sure you win all your engagements with minimal casualties, but all you get by way of reward is a lot of empty shell casings and a smoking wasteland.

Not the stuff an empire is built on.

You know, that doesn't look as industrialized as you expect until your realize that that's Mars from space and in daytime, and our greatest cities barely register as specks if you look at Earth like that. Holy balls, Mechanicum OP plz nerf.

Bump for cool underused fluff.

Because for one, a great deal of their Superstition followed after the heresy, as with the rest of the Imperium. Secondly, the emperor never had the clout to even attempt to change the adeptus mechanicus belief system. Note that was every other faction the emperor encounter during the Crusade, he gave them no options but to bend the knee and submit to him totally, or face complete destruction. This is regardless of how advanced they were or how prosperous they were. There were no equals only future subject. The Only Exception in the entire galaxy To this treatment was the adeptus mechanicus. Because quite simply the emperor could not conquer them. That is why the adeptus mechanicus remains a faction within the Imperium itself.

He could probably conquer them, but the cost would be incredibly damning to humanity.

>Because quite simply the emperor could not conquer them
>could not
No, user. It's nothing to do with ability to conquer, it's what that conquest would have cost him in time and resources. Hence his assumption of the "Omnissiah" ideology. My headcanon is that had the Crusade succeeded, humanity been within a human-webway to evolve in safety and without the threat of Chaos looming over it, then he would have dismantled the AdMech beliefs, but as it was, he didn't have the time or resources to spare in crushing them. He did what was expedient to do, what he needed to do in order to proceed with his unification plan.

>Temple Of The Frictionless Piston

Frost weapons are usually not ice but Crystals, which have a very unique property of channeling strong power fields.

SW power weapons are some of the best in the Imperium because of that.

A lot of it is from when the Dark Age of Technology or something went to shit and demons started possessing everyone's Iphone.

Incorrect, he's an autist who had a tenth of his legion beat to death because he was upset that they existed. The man has no admirable traits whatsoever except that he's good at grinding his own men up.

There's a lot of fluff in the Horus Heresy fw books about stuff that clues into this, like a dreadnaught chassis built entirely on earth that was said to be designed for fighting Martians.

the machine spirit is a thing though. Granted it isn't that machines have a soul per-say, but nearly every scrap of machinery the mechanicus uses is afflicted with multiple sentient/learning/chaotic bits of malware from the constant conflict on mars

I suspect he'd focus a lot more on a slow and mostly peaceful reforming of the Mechanicum, since emergency weapons or not he'll need them for longer than he will the Navigators and an outright war is going to cripple even a Webway Imperium as the Mech fuck over anything they can possibly find, bombard anything dangerous with superweapons and leave the vast majority of his forces without support. When Anvillus went down the Land Raider went from "frontline tank of a lot of the Imperial Army" to "Weapons for my less than 800k Marines ONLY" because of how central Forge Worlds are. Fighting the Admech after the Crusade means he loses ALL of them at once, and that means not many spare parts or competent ship engineers for you, golden boy.

Before the Crusade Terra was a wrecked wasteland with barely enough manufacturing capacity to equip a few million dudes, he may well have lost if he'd fought Mars then and even if he'd won he'd have had to do most of the work solo and level most of the planet. The Custodes weapon fluff blurbs say there's barely enough techno-clan artisans to equip those 10k dudes with advanced weapons that Mars doesn't also have, they're slightly obsessed with keeping the Mech out.

Bump

How do you think each Primarch/Legion would address the campaign?

Which would get along/be rivals/actually not be a good combination?

I think most legions would be mulched by the deep levels of Mars.

Raven Guard might have the most success. They might be able to slip past most of the really nasty shit and get the knowledge.