What do you think Guillermo del Toro thinks of monstergirls?

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Del Toro thinks of men as “monsterous”, whether they are Good Monsters or Bad Monsters. He doesn’t think of Monster Girls, because he self inserts as the monster.

I think he's probably pretty into them.

What are you basing this off of? I personally found the anecdote of how he checked whether the water monsterboy had a nice ass with his female relatives pretty charming.

I think Del Toro's thing is more an exploration of what is inwardly or outwardly monstrous rather than a specifically gendered take. Gender plays into it but I don't think it is his actual vantage point. And to me at least, monsterboys are just as fine as monstergirls on the whole.

I think he's saying 'women are pure' and men tend toward being monsters, making this metaphor literal with his characters.

It's a relatively common theme in his films, like Pan's Labyrinth, Hellboy and even shades of it show up in Book of Life.

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That isn't really HIS take in Hellboy though and in Mignola's take it doesn't really go beyond Liz.

He goes farther with it that not all monsters are bad, and not all monsters are outwardly monstrous. I liked it a great deal.

Yes and no. It's more prevalent in Hellboy 2 but even in the original, the Hellboy/Liz relationship was never Mignola's idea.

Sure. I just think his actual point of view is more and he gets into men/women dynamics as part of that rather than the latter being his main objective.

Yeah I was actually reconsidering and remembering Hellboy 2 there.

Except he never does it with women. That's my issue with his storytelling. I love his movies but he outright fetishizing women being pure. And if you look at his twitter it seems to confirm my stance.

Literally Innsmouth Cuckold propaganda. Which is what they should have done in the first place to be honest.

Seocnd guy is right. Hellboy and Liz had a Big Brother/little Sister type of relationship and was basically the first person to actually reach out to Liz without being afraid of her fire.

I like Del Toro but I hate those movies.

I can go on and on about Hellboy.

Shape of Water was great though. Me and my friend both thought that the creature looked a lot like Abe though. Man, Michael Shannon was a great villain in that. Then again, everyone was great in that. It was a bit predictable at times though. Like when we got the story about how Eliza was found near the water as a baby and had those strange marks on her neck, of course they were going to turn out to be gills. The dream at the beginning where she's underwater helped give it away.

Also, good on Del Toro for throwing in routine masturbation as well. Eliza is the first female lead I felt like I related to more than the male.

Hey, man, if Vampires, Werewolves, Ghosts, Zombies, etc can be Romantic leads, why can't Deep Ones?

I was honestly hoping for a more monstrous appearance.

>TFW not enough fishsfucker porn

Actual monstrous women or anime girls with animal themed cosplays?

What is this?

movie called Dagon

This here is my exact fetish. Encore, encore.

I can't tell you to go watch Crimson Peak without spoiling it a bit for you, so I'm gonna tell you straight; watch Crimson Peak.

I don't think it was his idea to make Hellboy and Liz into a couple. Hollywood wants some forced romance in your movies if they're gonna you dem sheckles.

See, this strikes me as kind of weird. Like, in the good old days of science fiction and fantasy, a creature like this would be horrible beyond belief. It's basically a Deep One.

Here, it's a woman romancing this creature. This makes my skin crawl, and I'm curious as to why I haven't seen more people with the same reaction. I find the whole concept fundamentally revolting. (If he looked like Namor, the Sub-Mariner, that's one thing. Here, it's a few steps above beastiality.)

Yeah, that's the feeling I get too.

He probably thinks they're for casuals to soft to want to fuck a real monster.

Well, if going by the scientific study that BBC cuckoldry evokes the same mental reaction as partaking in bestiality- It's clear Women are just sexually ammoral, willing to spread it for whatever evokes masculinity.

That said, wasn't the original Deep One Innsmouth conflict the result of a Human Fucking one of their own Women?

Not really. If I recall, Innsmouth - which was a shitty hole-in-the-ground - made a deal to offer up their women for breeding purposes, in return for gold and fish.

That's what the Call of Cthulu Module said, off the top of my head.

Is there a study about reaction to monster girls in men and women?

Might have been the previous civilization that was near the island where the Deep Ones Frequented- The issue was brought forth by the guy that discovered them pirate or something- it's been a while for me though.

I would be curious to hear why you feel that way.
I personally do not find the fish lead particularly attractive but I can see why someone would.
It's humanoid, and (to the limited extent that its alien looking design allows) has aesthetic qualities that humans tend to value, such as facial symmetry and visible physical fitness.
Additionally the trailer seems to imply that it has intelligence comparable to a human, even if it can't necessarily communicate with people.
Is it the fishness that bothers you? Would you be equally repulsed if it was modeled after a reptile? Or if it was some sort of alien?

This isnt some brave new world shit.
Girl lusts for monsterboy is normie tier shit.

I have yet too seen boy lusts for monstergirl done the same way and not be considered terrifyingly alien and macabre by everyone.

They literally referencing in the book how men marry fish wives.

>And if you look at his twitter
Who wastes time doing that shit?

>This makes my skin crawl, and I'm curious as to why I haven't seen more people with the same reaction
As what others would refer to as a furry, the fishman here is too human and seems to fit closer to the "acceptable" area, just enough to be above cosplay tier and recolored humans/most star trek aliens but nothing close to or an actual fish. It's honestly a tame design in my opinion.

Del Taco has always considered monsters an encapsulation of the flaws and vulnerabilities of being a human, so if you have monstergirls with some depth to them beyond giant snake tits, he'd probably be into them.

The reason your having this reaction is because you havent mentally separated bestiality from xenophilia. Theres a significant difference between a fish that comes to you on command and a walking fishman who understands music and can perform sign language. Much like with furries by being more anthropomorphised it stops being bestiality. See the tg chart on having sex with mythical beings.

>Much like with furries by being more anthropomorphised it stops being bestiality.
Are you sure about that? I think that chart is completely wrong both on account of typical reaction from non-furries and response from self-proclaimed furries. Many of them are actually full-blown zoophiles and don't pick between bipedal Egyptian deity and talking animal from Disney, they are both fuckable on account of xenophilia. They usually don't show this side to you to not creep you out (for better or for worse) but rather vocal and open about this stuff in their communities.

>the tg chart on having sex with mythical beings

I wish to know more.

It is both 3.5 and third party from the same thinking that brought us the most broken dnd spell ever, power word orgasm.

Coco the gorilla can do all that, and you don't see guys jumping into her enclosure

Guys in general aren't into things that don't look strongly human in most cases. Beauty and the Beast and most other similar media are always of the girl falling for a male beast, never the other way around unless said "beast" is basically anime monstergirl tier.

Yes, also I have to admit there are 0,00001% of males who would do Coco either because they are attracted to gorillas and think they are beautiful, all animals or can't care less if it's living or dead as long it gets their dick wet.

>tfw the artist does (or did at least) nsfw stuff but this piece doesn't have a lewd version

>Beauty and the Beast and most other similar media are always of the girl falling for a male beast, never the other way around unless said "beast" is basically anime monstergirl tier.
I regret looking that up

There is more. Pass me the brain bleach.

the former is fine minus the anime eyes although I sometimes like my ladies with a little muscle and height but the latter is a little gross

somebody post that screencap where random basic bitch complains that Beauty and Beast wouldn't work if genders were reversed only to get swarmed by people proclaiming love to monstergirls

was surprisingly difficult to find

I think it's the opposite. Although she has a beard the latter is more human-like. The former is monstrous (big eyes don't help her and only accentuate her deformities)

This is an interesting short from a while ago with some similar themes.

House women doing it with weird alien/foreigners/slaves has been a theme since ancient greek stuff and probably before that though. Husbands are boring, the fishman is exciting and pays attention to her.

On closer inspection I noticed that She-Beast has quite a juicy booty

Oh good, an opportunity to post this,

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You'll get the PC crowd up in arms, and we can't have that

This. If you make an even slightly non-monstrous monstergirl, you'll get a bunch of Tumblrinas REEEEEEEing about objectifying muh womyn

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Pretty sure Del Toro's first inspiration to make this movie was watching Creature from the Black Lagoon and being disappointed the filmmakers weren't weird enough to have the monster fuck.

yup, he specifically called it the creature of the black lagoon revision even though everyone keeps on stupidly insisting it's an Abe Sapien tie in.

The film was lot more tense than I expected. Like holy shit, it was uncomfortable. I've never been so uncomfortable at someone buying a cadillac

I'd love to see where you get those factoids from because I've experienced the exact opposite. Its right down to the reality vs the idealism of escapism.

But to be back on point it comes back to how anthro said being is, for example turians from mass effect. Would you consider garrus vakarian bestiality? It comes down to the level of intelligence and understanding for consent. IE is it sapient enough to be an actual person which is unironically the message and the reason that the main character falls in love with the deep one. Because it views her as a person rather than a stunted human being, much like how everyone at the lab viewed the deep one as an animal than a thinking living person who just wanted to be left alone.

Theres a clear difference between the two, dont let wacko zoophiles try to convince you otherwise.

This
Why do people not get this
It was fish chicks stealing dudes and making them their husbands

I'm sorry for your loss, user.

He's fish Tarzan.

speaking of Fish Tarzan, I was so disappointed that JL movie Aquaman was not that. He would've been so cool if he was a fish talker as some kind of frontier savageman

Reeeee
Why is there not any guy falling for monster girl movies

They barely make guy focused romance movies.

>monster girl movies
Is there any?

Just add some
>HIGH IMPACT SEXUAL VIOLENCE

It's outright bestiality, and people are every bit as okay with it as they are with the incest in Game of Thrones.

Only one that comes to mind.

Because none of us are lonely mute cleaners with suspicious neck scars.

That said, Shabani the gorilla doesn't even speak sign, and there's loads of women that would probably try to fuck him if he wasn't in a zoo with guards to prevent people from doing that.

You don't spend much time around white people?

You would think that someone that looks like that would have some kind of idea as to how weird fetishes and people can be.

Like jesus I thought that catgirls and what have you were pretty fuckin vanilla. Would love to see how she would react to my Xenophilia or Magical Creature folders.

Maybe I've just spent too much time on the internet. Maybe I am in the wrong.

Yeah, Michael Shannon did a great job. I'd like to see him having father-son time as insane white people together with Caleb Landry Jones.

>western movie
>girl is some weird ugly creature
>my Japanese animes
>monster girls' human halves resemble attractive cute girls with big tatas and toned legs
Hm, I think I see why monster girl movies aren't popular

Tried googling it and couldn't find it. Mind linking to relevant page/screencap/whatever of the chart?

>women get monster romance
>men get monster horror
My guess is that it's because if the sexes were reversed in Shape of the Water people would call it colonialist and racist.

>we’ll never get a blockbuster Hollywood movie about a lusty dragongirl who captures and uses valiant knights as her food/ sexual playthings

END IT

To be fair it is really close to the Abe Sapien costume, albeit bulkier. But it's the same Director and, I assume, the same person in charge of creature Design.

Though, to be honest, my first thought was Deep One until I saw more of the creature.

There is no end. The best you'll ever get is some lanky blue alien cat.

Woulsn't a better example of monsterboy romance be Twilight? You can argue that none of the main love interests were actually monsterous, but the fact they aren't human clearly plays significant role in the appeal.

The monster swaps gender at the end of the film and impregnates the female scientist after killing the male one. That movie was.....strange.

i dont think the point in question is whether the character in question's exotic qualities are the appeal, but whether or not the "actually monstrous" part is more dissuading than the exoticism is enticing

Whores like that aren't that unusual or counterculture anymore.

>I have yet too seen boy lusts for monstergirl done the same way and not be considered terrifyingly alien and macabre by everyone.
Still waiting for it. I expect to keep waiting.

I've got this in the meantime though:
goodreads.com/list/show/19217.Human_Male_Mates

That HAS to be one of Sakimi's earlier works. It seems so....amateurish compared to her new stuff. Her newer stuff is fucking fantastic. Check out her Zodiac stuff if you want great monstergirl images.

Likewise. My griffon folder is getting awfully large file size wise. I swear I've seen every lewd griffon image there is to see on the entire fucking internet.

Eh, I'd rather a Na'vi than nothing at all desu.

>i dont think the point in question is whether the character in question's exotic qualities are the appeal, but whether or not the "actually monstrous" part is more dissuading than the exoticism is enticing
I do believe that it is a little bit of both. Exotic qualities are appealing and being "monstrous" gets even more appealing due to being more exotic. There is a limit, obviously, and it differs from person to person, but that's why catgirls are so popular. They fit right in the middle.

>never the other way around unless said "beast" is basically anime monstergirl tier
Where are the fuck those anime tier monstergirls in other similar media you are talking about?

As said, I don't really think Guillermo del Toro has monster girls in him. The closest he got was the elf princess in Hellboy 2, and even she was more human than the male monsters. If there was ever going to be a proper female monster character in one of his works, I would assume she wouldn't really be a love interest of any kind. Probably a secondary character or villain but if the latter then she would also be mostly human looking because he's made pretty clear that he thinks real evil is a decidedly human thing. Even if monsters do bad stuff, they're not so bad as humans who do bad stuff and thus less likely to be villains.

I assume a del Toro monster girl wouldn't be anywhere close to conventionally attractive, but still be recognizably feminine. Something like this maybe.

>but still be recognizably feminine. Something like this maybe
I don't see anything feminine about that besides long hair which isn't a strong indicator either

>monstergirls
>anime thots with some monster parts glued on

my boy gui fucks monsters

Don't you have your own thread up, furfag?

>What do you think Guillermo del Toro thinks of monstergirls

Disappointed they aren't monsterboyz

Sakimichan? Fantastic isn't a word I'd use.

Why did you necrobump this thread again after 5 hours of silence?

Really. You'd look at any of the Zodiac stuff and say that stuff isn't fantastic? Jesus.

But he’s a king.

Well they do, but they’re all comedies.

>doesn't want a fuzzy dog gf
>especially if she's not a weebshit colorswapped humie

>wouldn't be anywhere close to conventionally attractive
yeah what kind of weirdo would want to look at that weird creature or run their hands through its hair or kiss it on the forehead