How might the world react to genetic augmented people? How would the world develope?

It hasn't reacted to them yet.

Probably like that: futuretimeline.net/21stcentury/2053.htm#designer-babies. MIx it with Transhuman Space and you got it.

But user, engineering people to be healthier and smarter is, like, super unethical or something.

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Turned him into a filthy anglo.

>spare a spleen, bin those genes!

>Genetic Engineering tech is becoming available slowly but surely
>Mostly for prenatal development
>Governments are still against it because of "ethical" reasons
>My face

I would personally send a letter daily to each representative consisting solely of the people who have been born with defects because of their apprehension. This shit drives me up the fucking wall.

Western leftists may split hard; between the SJW faction (muh genetic privilege!) and the upper middle class strivers with kids.

But we're already capable of basic Gattaca-tier improvements. Fertilize a dozen IVF embryos, DNA test each one to find the one with the highest IQ correlations and fewest disease correlations, and only implant that one.

Literally 00s era tech, low risk, and it can effectively add as much as +10 IQ points vs a random birth. IVF and DNA tests are only going to get cheaper, imagine if they were mass produced!

Full on CRISPR tier manipulation will be wild.

How advanced are we? Does gene sequence exist that makes someone smarter? I know that there is a gene sequences that makes it, that a human only needs 2 hours to sleep per night.

>Does gene sequence exist that makes someone smarter

There is no one magic "IQ gene." There are dozens to hundreds of polymorphisms that all have known correlations. So the more of these SNPs you stack up, the smarter you get, roughly.

I think the problem is, that this still requires human testing.

>There are dozens to hundreds of polymorphisms that all have known correlations

Not to forget how they interact with each other, and how those interactions effect each others, and how those further interactions effect each other, and you get the point.

Well you can perform CRISPR on living adults in addition to young ones. In theory if you develop it right you can create people that could compete on par with designer babies.

See how the world reacts to whites? Like that.

>captcha: only la guardia
whatever you say, Paul.

Disease resistant GMO bananas make African children gay, but gene engineered humans are okie-dokie. People will reject technology until suddenly their kid might be tall enough to be an NBA Star.

Facts are irrelevant. Only feelings matter.

>ALL CAPS
>link to some retarded tabloid site
>uses the word marxist unironically

I wonder who could be behind this post

What are some example gene enhanced heroes or villains in fiction?

Azrael I guess.

A very good question I've seen when it comes to both genetic and mechanical augmentation is the ethics of it being potentially commercialised. Would people being willing to pay large amounts of money to ensure themselves or their children are stronger/faster/longer-lived further a divide in socio-economic class and social mobility? It's a shame it's rarely addressed in fiction as it's one of the few (in my opinion anyway) arguments that could be made against significant augmentation that isn't some sort of neo-luddism.

I vaguely remember some implication of Ozymandias being genetically enhanced. Either way he's still considered in peak human condition or slightly beyond that within the universe of Watchmen.

>large sums
While we can't exactly know the cost the procedure, thanks to CRISPR the cost won't be that high. A middle-class family would probably able to effort it. Of course there a differences between a genetic engineering a child and buying a car. I think it will necessary that society itaelf needs to stem the cost. Every child gets the most potential, but the problem is, that society needs to accept the procedure.

Yeah, it probably applies more to mechanical augmentation and cyberpunk-esque settings. Still, seems like an interesting idea to explore.

I like the idea of a technological feudality in the near future, not to live in there, but to play a game in a setting like that.

You can probably make some serious superhumans with only existing technology, not even knowing which genes do what.

Evolution is in a constant struggle against mutation. Virtually every generation of humans introduce new flaws into the genes of their children while at the same time natural selection winnows out the worst and keeps the best. What this means is that every existing human is far short of the optimal human for their environment. But the average genes of a large population of humans will be much better than any individual in that population. So all you have to do is make a truly colossal number of embryos, figure out what the optimal genetic code looks like, throw all except the few best embryos and implant the good ones in human wombs. With enough embryos this will produce humans who are closer to the evolutionary optimum than existing ones. If the population you based this on have evolved in an environment which selected for intelligence, you could end up with people way smarter than baseline humans.

Also, the Chinese government probably knows this, has the resources to actually do it and doesn't give a fuck about ethics. Ergo, there will almost certainly be a lot of Chinese super geniuses showing up pretty soon.

You mean cheap chinese knockoff geniuses?
>all of them have crippling autism
>lead and mercury poisoning and partially radioactive like everything they manufacture
>All of them look like sexy models and popstars except they lose their looks in less than a decade

How would a augment think about himself and other people? His parents told him that he was engineered. You only need to sleep 2 hours a day, you have an IQ of 200 and you never forget something. You are faster, stronger and healthier than other people. What would you think about yourself?

If anything, genetic augmentation might be what finally gives old world religions and connected ideologies the last nail in the coffin.

Throughout history, the general public has stuck to their its only as long as it was convenient.
Spirituality, morality, philosophy...
even "unchangeable" canons like those of Christianity have been freely edited and recontextualized repeatedly as soon as society moved on to avoid losing acolytes, making the rules looser and the faith weaker.
And that's the same for every 'current' that would object to genetic manipulation.

An ideology cannot survive when just being part of it means committing to be tantamount to a cripple, for nothing in return.
It'd be like if being part of any religion today required cutting a limb off. They would be fringe cults of a few thousands strong, instead of world-encompassing demographics.

Depends on how you were raised.

When you get past the low-brow "muh soul" and "muh diversity" mob bitching, you find the ethical objections are mostly about how it's obvious genetic manipulation will mostly be a tool of the super rich and dictators. You have to be pretty naive to think it will actually be used to solve genetic conditions on a widespread scale and not be available only to European billionaires to create a ruling class of Over-Chads.

It will always require human testing until it gets tested on humans.

There are over 100,000 mentally and physically defective children born a year globally. I've seen numbers as high as 150,000 but I think it depends on where you draw the line and if you are rounding up or down.

A couple of hundred fuck ups in the cause compared to preventing these tragedies is a necessity and not doing so is monstrously immoral.

The cost won't be that high, it will cost less than a million. A normal citizen will probably need some financial support but I think the goverment and the financial world is very interested of having more geniuses in the world.

>A couple of hundred fuck ups in the cause compared to preventing these tragedies is a necessity and not doing so is monstrously immoral.
Despite agreeing with this, this kind of "For the greater" good phrases will never not sound like the speech of a super villain

>muh human rights
Problem is, you could be one of those fuck ups. Humans shouldn't be test subject, except if its voluntary or embryonal.
I think computers can simulate a lot of molecular interaction so a lot of testing won't be necessary. We still need to know more how the human body works.
I wouldn't allow open society to do human experimenting, but if a rogue nation or black clinics does it. We can use its knowledge.

Your just talking about the immediate matterial costs though. What about the years of research to develop safe and useful edits?
If drug companies can justify hundreds of dollars for a pill that costs 50 cents to manufacture i can't imagine they'd give away propriety DNA treatments derived from vastly more complex research. Especially when those treatments are also going to limit their future earnings

It won't be billionaires-only expensive.

Consider 's IVF method. Right now it would cost under 20,000$.

Then call me Badman von Mustachetwiddle.

At best and happiest interpretation of the numbers it's still the decreased quality of life for a few hundred vs the decreased quality of life for a hundred thousnad.

The difference being that after the inital hundrededs of trial run errors there will be far fewer than the hundred thousnad and presumably far fewer each generation as things are tweaked and perfected.

So it's not a few hundred vs a hundred thousnad it's a few hundred vs potentially uncountable down the long years.

Meant for

most of the people in 40k

So serious question. Someone that's had CRISPer work to fix some bad genes, will the "updated" genes be passed on to their future offspring?

>I don't want to do thing because muh feels
>but if someone else does the exact same thing I'd be happy to take the data
>it's totally ok though because I dindu nuffin
Knowingly using things made from morally corrupt sources is equivalent to making them yourself, No amount of mental gymnastics will change this

Knowledge is knowledge. The data from Unit 713 is still viable data.

>There are over 100,000 mentally and physically defective children born a year globally.
There are way more muslims than that born every year

>"updated" genes be passed on to their future offspring?

Yes, and no.

Yes, if you do the genetic modification when it is a child, so the stem cells that would form the reproductive aparatus have the modification and theortically if you know exactly what those cells express in their membranes you can target the genetic modification to only those cells(as to make a child that is genetically modified but his offspring is "normal" or being unable to have offspring)

But as an adult, things change. Both the ova and spemratozoids are closely protected by a barrier(which name doesn't come to my mind, but is to avoid your own body rejecting your own reproductive cells since their genetic dotation is different) so any genetic therapy will probably change a specific tissue(muscle, intestine, fat...) but not that part of your body(and even if you could there is definely no garantee that you could change absolutely all the cells).

user, I know that number is either about a specific disease or not the actual number

There are almost 8 billion people in the planet, that number is simply too low

So the benifits outweigh the cost even more.

Human rights are a scam used by developed nations to overcome the security and economic concerns of developing nations. No one has any rights that they cannot enforce i.e. the powerful have as many lab rats as they want.

For glaring cases like sclerosis, down... maybe yes.

But have in mind, what we are talking here is about taking a mother/father and telling them how their child should be and the child also not getting a choice.

For now it seems simple, just aim for higher IQ, change the mithochondrions from a pool of specially active ones and discard any with diseases, and the last one is being done too. The problem starts when you consider that you are giving society control over their biological make up, and this is the real mistake.

If everyone suddenly needs 2300kcal to sustain themselves everyday because you could have a stronger and active population, as soon as a crisis starts natural selection will kick in and choose the ones that are able to survive with less.

Then, if people can choose how their children will be they do not actually choose but rather they select what other people think their children should be, making the future generation more homogeneous and creating a genetic diversity problem, which is devastating for the inmunologic system of the populations involved(see the colonization of America and Africa), again creating suffering when it could have been avoided(and this problem is starting to appear in fertility clinics today, so is not actually fantasy)

And finally, it's cheaper to just invest in education than in a 100 years genetic selection project that requires constant effort and political stability(and with the same ideas of what traits should be chosen, this is not a spectrum, we are talking about entire populations here)

Also the how, is important. Forcing people is always a no-no in terms of efficiency, so you need to rely on the market so people voluntarily chooses to do so on their own( which seems what is really going to happen) and brings his owns problems(markets and the clients opinion change with society and technology, but your genetic make up not for example, you have to live with that).

Is a very complex issue...

Actually only the Primarch or minor factions are gene enhanced. Gene-seed is a surgical procedure and as such Space Marines aren't Gene enhanced.

Considering how much cheap drugs get overcharged, I'd be surprised if genetic alteration was even remotely available to the wider population.

One has to make it legal of course.

>And finally, it's cheaper to just invest in education than in a 100 years genetic selection project
The problem is that education doesn't improve intelligence. Rather inate intelligence is more of a hard cap that dictates how much education you can absorb. This is why, with all the good will in the world, Africans will never get significantly more intelligent than they are, African-Americans consistently score one standard deviation lower than white Americans in IQ tests even after all social factors are eliminated and any area in the world no matter what other circumstances may be present get shittier the more black people show up there. Low IQs strongly correlate with criminal behavior, teen pregnancy, broken families, lack of employment, low income, abuse within families et cetera.

Cry racist all you want, but if you were a real anti-racist you'd be in favor of ending the racist hard cap on IQ through genetic manipulation, finally allowing Africa to compete on equal footing with Europe and Asia.

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Where in any holy text does it forbid people to genetically augment themselves or others? Or for that matter, peapods.

Jesus came to me in a dream and said so, he also agrees we should start resume burning mouthy women at the stake.

>Chinese super babies.

Come on guys, we're not that good yet. Besides, I've heard this story somewhere.

>Chinese superbaby grows up.
>Isn't actually a genius.
>Is just a super normal baby, that costed the government millions.
>Grows up with this shadow of failure over his head his entire life.
>Finally discovers agency, freedom, acceptance from parent's expectations, blah blah blah.
>"I was super all along!"
>Roll credits.

You should know by now, that the churches doesn't follow the scripture, but the rituals they developed in the years.

And which rituals prevent those faiths doing so? I mean, yeah you'd have the very few who don't like blood transfusions but they are extremely in the minority. Considering the Vatican has an official policy on aliens, I think they can handle gene modding.

Christians who supposedly follow the new testament and not the old still get divorced (NT bans that) while condemning homosexuality (NT says nothing about that, it's all in the OT). Likewise the Quran explicitly bans coercion in matters of faith, but there are a ton of muslims who don't abide by that.

What holy texts actually say doesn't matter all that much.

The later parts of the Quran were written when Mohammed was a warlord. And at that time he was trying to justify his military actions, that were contradicting his past teachings, by saying he got new revelations that are truer than what he said before. Practical.

And Confucius was addicted to strippers, are you guys really going to nitpick books whose general message was "not be a dick to eachother?"

The general cases doesn't mean all cases, also the special cases are often the most important. Mao's bible too had be nice to each other as a general rule but the details lead to evil.

That is not the general message of most of those books.

Sure it is, there's just a clause at the end of each book.

>Old Testament: Be nice to each other*, but FFFFUCK those Canaanites. *Other Jews.
>New Testament: Be nice to each other*, but FFFFUCK those Jews. *Our form of Jews, soon to be called Christians.
>Quran: Be nice to each other*, but FFFFUCK EVERYONE ELSE. *Praise be unto him.

Thou shalt not make marks upon thy body

Religion will get weird, I think Teilhard de Chardin will get a renaissance.
Or will get more Amish people.

>Teilhard de Chardin

Give me a run down user.

I'm pretty sure it refers specifically to inks. So, fuck those radiotherapy patients.

Vzno

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Fantomex

Gonna be pretty neat when they can isolate what causes myostatin deficiency in only skeletal muscle. There's at least 2 kids I've seen articles about, 1 who came from a line of Olympic strength based athletes.

The obvious benefits aside, it would probably triple the amount of time you could spend in space before seeing crippling loses in tissue.

Leviticus 19:28

"'Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD.

Not seeing the connection to genetic engineering here.

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>New Testament: Be nice to each other*, but FFFFUCK those Romans

FTFY

Has there ever been a worthwhile post on Veeky Forums that contained the word "marxist"?

I had an occipital neurostimulator implant installed. It was fucking horrible. Being a cyborg ain't all it's cracked up to be.

>If you create a child for purpose,
All children are.

Depends where you live. Most First World Parents didn't procreate to have a child for its workforce, they just wanted a child. In the past or poor countries you are right.

What does that actually do, and why do you have one?

ctbi