Collab: Fantasy WW1

>The republic of Derna, famous for its armore mage divisions and use of Centaur gunner squads, has begun pushing east against the empire, leading their troops on what is expected to be a simple skirmish before the true fight begins against the Holy Dynasty of Dusk.

>The empire, still recovering rfrom their recent economic depression, fields what remains of their Airborne mage corp in last ditch effort to maintain sovereignty.

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I swear if this involves the flaming bag of garbage that is atheist loli Hitler...

It won't if no one brings her in. I just chose the image cause it was from a show with an approrpriate setting to compare to this.

I'd have gone with Valkyria Chronicles myself...

>The Imperial airborne corps is swatted aside by Derna's air force, but buys just enough time for the Empire's forces to dig in on the far side of a broad river, detonating most of the bridges and fortifying the rest
>The expected 'minor skirmish and swift victory' quickly becomes literally bogged down in the flood plains at the Battle of Green River.

>WW1
>Airborne

No.

Shit i forgot that existed. good choice.

>The "Battle of Green River" became one of the costliest battles in modern history, as the republic would focus more and more of their military to breaking the line, and nations that relied on the Empire holding sent supplies and weaponry.

>Eventually though, aide in the form of reinforcements came from the holy dynasty, whose royal navy smashed against the Republics own.

>Meanwhile, across the Emerald sea, The Principality of Kurain sees therir chance, and begins to gather the ancient staves, the last remnants of greater magic in the world.

>Mage
>Levitation and others spells
Yes

Also, imagine all the fun of shooting paratroopers while they are still in air. Or the tactics about close-to-surface drops to avoid above, so instead half of guys end up crashing upon landing.
WW1 is always fine, as long as you treat this sensless garbage war as source of black comedy, in tune of Blackadder Goes Forth

Who's this angry girl with crazy eyes? I've seen all over the place

>mfw he doesn't know about a pilot so notorious and skilled he was given a full military funeral and wreaths by the opposing side.

She's a character from an anime where God decides to mess with this one atheist whose kind of an asshole and has him reincarnate in a low fantasy world on the brink of a world war.

It's pretty interesting of a setting and a good anime, not sur eon the novelization, and its written by a guy who apparently despises "trapped n another world" genre as a whole.

The little girl is the aethiest new form, and they basically are trying to secure a nice safe and happy life while god is trying to force them to worship him by making things continually worse for them,.

You forgot about Adolf Himmler, an artillery officer who was hospitalized near the end of the war.

A main character from anime about a salaryman getting punished by God (capital G) for being atheist, so he's reborn into a loli in alternative universe that is going through not!WW1 at the moment.
Despite the ridiculous premise, the anime is really good and pokes fun out of all the shit that gets always associated with lolis, isekai, atheists and destiny in anime. In other words - it's a great parody of what people actually expect to see, but still get's a lot of flak for main character being a loli.
Also, it was flavour of the season last year, so you obviously saw a lot of it thanks to that.

Atheist loli isekai Hitler. As stated earlier, she is a burning bag of garbage.

>Hardship in the war, coupled with the disaster of poor economic policy before it heightens ethnic and class tensions within the Empire. Various labour unions organise strikes that are brutally suppressed by military police, so as not to harm war production.
>Fearing retribution, labour unions deflect blame for the strikes onto the ever-unpopular Changelings, who mostly struggle to make a living in the slums in the 80 years since their nomadic way of life was outlawed.

>Unable to fight the surface war, the Republic switches to a policy of submarine warfare, hoping to choke the life out of the Holy Dynasty's over-worked supply convoys.
>The campaign is off to a poor start with the sinking of the neutral passenger liner 'Rose of Helena'. Though the incident is smoothed over, it garners international condemnation.

A paratrooper jumps form a fully functioning aircraft as part of his job, a pilot jumps from a malfunctioning aircraft when he's failed at his job. The two are very much not the same.

And Manny was hardly the first ace to be honoured after his death by the enemy. At least in his case they had the corpse, greatly simplifying delivery of the funeral wreaths.

>As brutal punishment is handed down onto the changling population, labour unions slowly begin to grow bolder and bolder, continually using Changling defectors and agitators as scape goats.

>Supplies begin to tighten on the front, with the Empire forced to rely more and mor eon their dwindling Mage Airborne corp. Generals and soldiers alike begin calling out to the royal family to use their Ancient staff to help ease the load on the front. The royal family is hesitent, fearing to lose the symbol of their power.

Who is this mysterious cool guy?

>Fantasy WW1
Eberron

How’s its treatment of atheists? Does it treat us all as amoral fedora tippers?

I mean the MC is actually a sociopath who used to work as the manifestation of everything evil about HR. The whole thing only has value as comedy I believe, the MC is fun but amoral and sometimes stupid and "God" doesn't act very much like God and doesn't seem to understand people very well dispute claiming to have run the world for so long.

The MC is totally mercenary and willing to take any advantage she can get except on the topic of "Being X" where she seems to suddenly grow a philosophy a rejects it even when it starts offering things in return for worship.

well, the main character, despite having seen proof of a highe rbeing, doesn't belive in god because he refuses to. I got the idea that it was a matte rof human achievment and progress not needing to bow to god. It mostly treats god like an asshole who wants everyone to worship him because he thinks they should. main character disagrees, and tells god to fuck off

See that I can get behind, refusing to worship god on moral principal.

Though at that point you are techinically something else, though I forget the term.

I don't know if there is a term for it. Dieism views gods and reality as uncaring of human action, and so you shouldn't care about god in return as it changes nothing. Then again that's from a vague recollection of a philosphy class and may be groessly inaccruate

>on moral principal
It kind of comes off as completely hypocritical when the MC is shown to have no moral fibre whatsoever.

>Tanja
>pragmatic to the point of sociopathy
>manifestation of everything evil about HR
You ain't got to talk about the true evil of HR, until the screeching harpies undercut people that aced aptitude tests and force upon you two queers that can't keep their hands off each other and tranny that doesn't know printer from a shredder and spends several days a month taking sick leave for "female problems" despite not having any of the usual female plumbing.

It's more that they work on a "moral" system not commonly recognized. It's a very individual focused one, where personal achievment is the hgihest virtue. It's heartless, but it is a moral system. It's pragmatism to the extreme i suppose

If she was pragmatic she would have been interested when Being X started offering goodies for prayer.
Still let's force ourselves to contribute to the actual thread for every Tanyapost.

What flavour of magic do we like? Flashy and powerful? Subtle? Specialisations? Low endurance?
How similar to Europe is the flashpoint continent?

Most Airborne units already drop as close to the ceiling as they can to avoid killing or maiming soliders.

You just can't get any lower.

I'd vote subtle magic, mostly focusing on battlefield support like digging ditches, raising ramparts, flooding ground, etc. But certain relics are of the flashy and powerful variety, for example the staffs mentioned Speaking of which...

>The Imperial family agrees to use the ancient staff, but spies from the Principality of Kurain see this as an opportunity and make an attempt to steal it.
>The attempt is unsuccessful, but is played up as a major propaganda victory, as the incident draws Kurain into the Dernic side of the war.
>During the attempt, the Kurainian spies made use of disaffected changelings, who blamed the royal family for the oppression being directed at them. This backfires spectacularly, with public mobs and even police beginning wholesale lynchings of changelings.
>Many changelings flee the cities, seeking asylum in neighboring countries and often being denied due to racial prejudice. Others rise in open revolt, beginning a resistance movement in the Gelefon mountain range, in the hope of establishing a new homeland for their people within the empire. Despite appeals to the republic for supplies and aid, Dernic military planners consider the rebellion to have little chance of success and the request is delayed indefinitely.

Comedies like Blackadder are good but do a disservice to the huge quantity of tactical and strategic effort and development that went into the war.

You brought her in, namefag. You chose the image because it was the most related you could think of that still an anime girl in it.

There can still be some really evil shit with subtle magic, like combining divining and light magic to make enemy NCOs grow in the dark.

The organisation and employment of mages in different sates could be interesting, some could be organised into whole magic units and used as line breakers or other specialists. They could be embedded into units and individuals or as twos and threes. Mages could be officers (maybe even all the officers), specialist personnel or like commissars existing outside the formal command structure and acting as an organisation apart from the army/navy/airforce.

I’d say it’s best to go the standard “notww1” route and have it just be Europe.

I say flashy, but modern magic is specialized while greater magic is impractical to use, which the staves step in for as they are conduits of greater spells

>In the early war, both sides' mages and druids used animal familiars as artillery spotters and scouts.
>now the gas doesn't just target men, it targets everything that lives. There is no plant or animal life whatsoever within miles of the front, because even the weeds have stories to tell for a druid willing to listen to them

You sold me on subtle magic being the majority thing

Didn't Pégoud technically have more kills than the Red Baron but got ranked lower because the French ranking system was more strict than the German ranking system? It was either him or some other guy, I remember reading something like that once... vaguely.

>Druids find themselves more and more transferred to amphibious and naval action, where they have found great success using the sea life.

I never understood why people would want to go back to WW1. Do they know nothing about it?

If you're talking about OP, (s)he spends literally the entire series trying to NOT get involved in the war.

OP's picture is irrelevant

Do you?

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Sorry you've lost me.

Your picture clearly shows that I found you.

Right, for fantasy WW1, we need:
>an autocratic empire who was just humiliated in a war on the other side of the world but is full of resources, briming with revolution and quite a bunch of people asking for independence
>an empire barely held together with an aging emperor and many many different peoples within it desiring liberty
>an upstart nation that still feels it hasn't completed its unification but has very noticeable socioeconomic divisions between two sides of the nation
>a republic who lost a war forty years ago frothing at its mouth to get back at the winner of the last war
>a long reaching empire that generally wants to be away from everything, but sees itself forced into the conflict to defend its allies
>a complex powder keg of six to four nations after two very recent wars didn't settle things in the region as expected
>an old empire that was just kicked hard by that powder keg that is barely keeping itself up but now there's an interest in some of its strategic resources

Well done?

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Christ, I forgot the US and Germany.
>a faraway republic who has quietly outpaced just about everyone industrially
>the second most powerful empire in the world, not as long reaching but much stronger in the homeland, but with lots of enemies and worried about what could happen if the autocratic empire can be better mobilized and better armed than themselves

So what do we do now?

I think we should talk about how Albion's fleet dominates the waves with mighty warships and amphibian auxiliaries.

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I would watch the youtube Channel "The Great War" to get an idea on how to run a WW1 campaign. It helped me greatly in making my WW1 setting.

Right, what do you know about WW1?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I

Germany anno WW1 is another quite recently unified upstart, at least amongst the empires. Part of what brought the war about is the shift in the balance of power the the German unification brought about.

I feel like the "World War I was a completely senseless war in which lions led by donkeys slaughtered each other with machine guns in napoleonic line formations and everyone who went through it had PTSD" denigrates the people who fought in it as much as the people who fetishize it.

To call the offenses of the war senseless or pointless is a mockery of the Belgians and French that were fighting against an invasion of their countries.
To call the generals uninterested in innovation ignores the fact that the war evolved from a rapid war of maneuver to a slow grinding war of attrition within months, even as technology moved forwards far faster than the rate a which people could figure out how to best use it. Yes, there were idiots, but even those people held at least some pieces of the puzzle (Nivelle pioneered the rolling barrage as infantry support, for instance, and Haig was a strong supporter of Tank development).
No, they didn't fight in Napoleonic line formations, that ignores all the developments of the Crimean, Franco-Prussian and Boer wars.
Hell, for all the talk of hell in the trenches, the average soldier spent 15% of their time in the firing line. They spent time behind the lines, got deloused every few weeks, and benefited from regular and reliable deliveries of warm food and mail. And for a war that spanned three continents (technically four if you include naval campaigns off South America), civilian casualties were proportionally far less than prior wars (fewer civilians died in the first world war than the German civilians alone who died in the Thirty Years War; one in five Germans were killed in that war).
Was it a bloody war? Yes, and it was a war unprecedented in scale and scope. Was it some unprecedented exercise in brutality from which few men came back unscathed? No.

The Belgians and French never should have needed to defend their countries.

Yeah, it's also recently unified upstart but unlike Italy it's not still sorting out stuff, and it feels it has truly unified, unlike Italy.

>To call the offenses of the war senseless or pointless is a mockery of the Belgians and French that were fighting against an invasion of their countries.
But do you know what calling it sensible is? A justification of nationalism in the cases of Belgium and especially France. Justification of nationalism? In Europe? In THE CURRENT YEAR? You do realize that's social suicide nowadays, yes? What we should instead admire is refusal to fight, rolling over in front of your enemy and senselessly shouting about burning bridges not walls/trenches/defensive lines.

>civilian casualties were proportionally far less than prior wars
What's a civillian in a wars fought by conscripts? France lost like... what, 30% of its fighting age men?
Conscription makes the distinction almost arbitrary.

Warm meals are better when you eat them at home.

I think you're just shitposting now user.

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Wars are better when they're not fought. That user isn't trying to say WW1 was a fun day in the park, he's saying it wasn't the meaningless hell on earth leftist weenies pretend it is.

So I gyess we should set up the nations as a whole before we continue.

>The Empire of Belleria: Founded long ago, Belleria has held the central part of the continent for much of history, due to the royals family cextensive steps to maintain the draining magic of the world. However, a recent economic depression devastated them, causing a near collpas eof the government before it managed to claim victory in a civil war thanks to its famed Airborne Mage corp.

>However, their nation is increadibly weak, and do not have the strength alone to keep the Republic back forever.

>Inspiration: Mix of Germanic and french, sorta like what would have happened had charlemagne's empire hadn't shattered.

>I didn't get a job, because of muh equallity
Yeah, fine excuse you find for yourself. Almost as good as the one you are a failure because of Jewish conspiracy.
It's like you are new on the job market and were expecting manager seat and six figures pay coming from the get go.

I was halfway through typing a serious response before I realized you were being sarcastic.
That said, for the second part, 1.4 million French Soldiers were lost of 8 million, so less than a fifth of its army was lost. Including those still working on the homefront, I don't think it could possibly come close to 30%.

Fighting age men doesn't mean fighting. There were still probably some civillians back in the factories that died of spanish flu

But it was a meaningless hell. It was a war fought without purpose.

>1/5 of its army was lost

All because empires wanted their colonies.

>denigrates the people who fought in it
This might be a shocked for you, burger, considering your entire cultural identity lies somewhere around "war is noble and dutiful".
War is not noble and there is nothing dutiful in enlisting.

That war was everything wrong with pre-modern diplomacy and international politics taken together and turning into a bomb with really short fuse. And every motherfucker in the room tried to light it up in the same time.

Have you ever considered that Europeans might dislike nationalism on principle of fighting two bloody wars because of it and said wars achieved pretty much nothing aside killing millions of people?

Do either of you know anything about the first world war? As it was neither devoid of purpose, nor had anything to do with colonies. Hell, the two original belligerents didn't even HAVE colonies

>As it was neither devoid of purpose, nor had anything to do with colonies. Hell, the two original belligerents didn't even HAVE colonies
And you have audacity do question people knowledge about WW1? Seriously?

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I was unaware Serbia and Austria-Hungary were colonial powers

I think it's more to do with the rampant imperialism of the time. In any case, that's still going on today, especially in Russia and China.

>All because empires wanted their colonies.
Belgium's only crime was literally to say that the Germans were not allowed to march their entire army through Belgium.
France was at least an entente ally of Russia's, but it response to the July Crisis was to retreat all active duty forces six miles from the German border. War was declared on France after it refused to hand over two of its most fortified cities as a guarantee of its neutrality.

Neither of them were about colonies, it was about Germans invading in Europe.

>Meaningless
The French, the Belgians, the Serbians, the Russians all fought for defense of their home territory and the British fought for the defense of Belgium. How is that meaningless?
The Central Powers had far less of a justification but the Germans were joining because everyone else was more or less monopolizing the resources of the world leaving Germany powerful but starved, the Austrians needed Serbia to not exist in order to ensure the survival of their empire and the Ottomans were just in it to fuck over the Russians.

>W-W-WARS KILL PEOPLE
Again, should they just roll over and wag their tails when the enemy stomps all over their faces? That's the great tragedy in life: those who are willing to defend what's worth defending die and the cowards live to squander what the brave bled for.

>Belgium's only crime was literally to say that the Germans were not allowed to march their entire army through Belgium.
Incidently this is also the reason the UK entered the war.

You know there were more countries in the war aside from France, Belgium, and Germany, right?

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Imagine being this fucking stupid.
What war are you preparing for, user. Tell us. This might be interesting

>War is not noble and there is nothing dutiful in enlisting.
Nobody said otherwise.
>And every motherfucker in the room tried to light it up in the same time.
Then you are ignoring all the people that tried to snuff it out. The French, who voluntarily risked being unprepared for war by withdrawing; the Serbians, who agreed to let the Austro-Hungarians remove all serbian media that could be construed as hostile to Austria-Hungary, dismiss anyone in the Serbian Government they listed as complicit and arrest anyone Austria-Hungary named, only to have war declared on them?

What about the powder keg chaos that was the Balkans, where Bulgaria, Romania, Greece and Serbia just could not agree on the division of land?

>Again, should they just roll over and wag their tails when the enemy stomps all over their faces?

Can you link to the post where someone says this?

>Neither of them were about colonies, it was about Germans invading in Europe.
Oh look, it's another episode of "Germans started WW1".
And here I was, sure it was a combination of truly Byzantine collection of pacts, treaties and fucking feudal ties that ended up blowing in everyone face in pretense of imperial glory.

>Belgium is a country, not a road
It's such a shame the atrocities of Leopold overshadowed how Albert did literally everything right.

You mean like Serbia, whose only crime was agreeing to all demands of Austria in regards to the investigation of Franz Ferdinand's death except handing over all police authority to Austria, which would de facto mean the country's annexation? While still being willing to fucking re-negotiate that? Or perhaps you meant Russia, the country that only joined in to defend Serbia? There's one clearly wrong side, and that's Germany with its carte blanche guarantee of support to Austria. They basically told the Austrians to do as they please and Germany would back them up. They chose to escalate where they could de-escalate or simply do nothing.

>What war are you preparing for
The war those who desire peace should prepare for. You call me stupid, yet you think wars are polite enough to announce themselves ten years in advance.

Yes, but there is some ambiguity over whether Austria-Hungary, Russia, Serbia, the UK and Germany were aggressors, parties acting in defense of an ally or parties who were the victims of aggression, so I focused on those countries which were clearly the victims of aggression.

Oh, so you cherry picked your argument?

>Serbian Government they listed as complicit and arrest anyone Austria-Hungary named, only to have war declared on them?
Welcome to 19th century imperialism, user.
Yes, 19th century.

There is only one war that rivals the stupidity of this one when it comes to diplomatic clusterfuck. It's the Balkan Wars, right before WW1

so you agree that the war was a pointless exercise of bloodshed.

>T-the end is near
Must be shame living in a country that still relies on conscription and not people who are paid for getting shot at.

Austria-Hungary dropped the initial declaration of war on Serbia, so they're aggressors. And Germany violated Belgian Neutrality, so they don't have clean hands either

Guys can we not get caught on this strange sticking point?

I don't think you even disagree that much, I think you all agree that The Great War was a tragedy and I think you'd all probably agree that many of the decisions made by the participants are logical within the context even if they lead to horrifying ends.

ITT: Bunch of flag-waving idiots pretending there was any sense or goal in WW1

No, I am simply saying that not every nation was doing their best to start a war, and that half of Europe did not willingly march into war the moment any spark came near the fuse.

You know this is the exact mentality that ended up with Versailles treaty, right? "They are guilty and only they!"

ITT: A bunch of agenda-driven ideologues who haven't actually done their fucking research and just go with the common misconceptions about WW1 being pointless and fought by nose-picking paint-lickers leading the innocent and brave.

Is "they're invading our land" insufficient as a goal?

I gotcha. You are in the boat that the war was a waste of life due to incompetence of empires and greed.

ITT: Some people decide that hobbyists are committing a moral wrong by touching WWI