Is there any point to play Grey knights anymore

What's not to like about the daemon killing psyker Space Marines covered in holy texts and wielding bad ass power weapons?

Aesthetically Grey Knights are awesome. Plus, since they're numbers are undefined it leaves you the freedom to make your own mary sue marines.

also they get to sit in the corner and beat off while chadstodes fuck your mum

If that's your fetish then yeah, sure, whatever.

If you like specialized demon hunter psyker marines.

They're not really like custodes other than they have elites as troop choices.

Why paint your Ral Partha lead miniatures if no one ever plays?

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the entire chapter is listed out. what is undefined about Grey Knights?

Because you remember an old time a better time. There will never be Custodes cast in metal. Your last model on the table will never kill two Necron Warriors causing the squad to break then roll to pursue catch and destroy them forcing the hole army to Phase Out winning your first game.

If you like painting silver more than painting gold?

>If you are a heretic who likes misguided zealots more than the Emperor's Chosen Companions,

So Word Bearers?

>The virgin knight VS the Chadstodies

grey knights have nicer looking tactical dreadnought suits

To ally them with the custodes. Like the Emperor and Malcador stood together, they will do the same.

the emperor's bodyguard vs the emperor's secret police

Eh you could always do wiggle room and those chapter assets are just the ones we know about.

The fucking Ultramarines were good old boys with only 1000 guys but still managed to shit all over the codex with their own almost heretical primarch's friend to get their own Super Legions under the control of the very primarch brought back after a super not heretical alliance with aliens and such.

>tfw if the Emperor succeeded in his schemes to elevate humanity to his power level, he would literally have trillions of like super-custodes around his own power level running around defending humanity with all sorts of crazy shit.

The suiest of settings.

I am still shocked they thought that model was a somehow an OK design to release

Flavor of the month is always cooler. Until the next cool thing comes along.

at my local store there are several of those models that they received when they were first released, and they have sat there for years, untouched and unloved, occasionally used as a booster for kits people actually purchase.

They both look like shit though.

You tell me?
>OH SHIT! Daemons have invaded!
>Custodes show up
>Kill daemons. Congratulate you for your service to the Emperor. Sign a few helmets and be on their way.
As opposed to
>OH SHIT! Daemons have invaded!
>Grey Knights show up
>Shoot you
>Shoot your friend
>Shoot your commander
>Shoot the civilians hiding in their shelter
>Make a bath with the blood from the Sisters guarding the shelter
>Take turns scrubbing themselves clean with said blood bath
>Shoot the daemons
>Exterminatus the entire planet
>Blow up that Astropath relay station you passed on the way in
>Blow up the transport that had the early evacuated civilians on board
>Blow up the next Astropath relay station that heard about the first one being blown up
>Blow up the supply ship that was there dropping of some food
>Blow up the supply ship depot so they don't notice the missing vessel
>Blow up the passing Battlefleet escorts out on patrol in the sector
>Blow up their next staging point so their absence won't be reported
>Return to Sol once you are absolutely sure that no one has even the vaguest idea your ship may've, at some point, been within 10,000,000AU of here
>Blow up Sol's Astropath relay station that was commissioned to replace the one you blew up on the way out.

there never was

>There will never be Custodes cast in metal.
Why would someone lie on the internet?
collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/index.php/Rogue_Trader_Forces_of_the_Imperium_-_Collectors_Guide

No point. GW wants you to buy Custodes now. They are the new tasteless Mary Sues.

Grey Knights will probably never going to get new models.

>Grey Knights will probably never going to get new models
Thats the Karma Revenge of the Sisters for ya.

I like dreadknights.

No one else does.
WAAC don't count as people

Aren't GK all plastic anyway?

I un-ironically do like them.
Because they look clowny as fuck and look like the alien mecha they used at the end, but even more stupid.

Holy fuck I thought these were a legend

I like that the implication of this sentence is that WAAC players like dreadknights which would go on to imply that dreadknights are good which in turn goes to imply that GK > Custodes because dreadknights. Implications, man

Grey What?

Sorry I'm enjoying my EVEN MORE SUPER DUPER DEMON KILLING SPACE MARINES.

That's Nemeis the Warlock as FUUUUUUUCK

Aren't nemesis dreadknight grand masters good? Deepstriking psykers with good stats and decent weapons.

You know what was the first thing that tipped me off that this was a 40K picture?
The motherfucking topknots.
>Lore had Malcador designing them as the successor to custodes on the battlefield, bigger and better in every way
>Everyone is a wizward
>pimp-ass knightly helmets
>scripture out the ass
>goldretarded custodes put their blades in the way of the sights on their bolters, intelligent grey knights put their stormbolters on their wrists with an unobstructed line of sight
>there's that one demon player in the meta who you fucking hate
>Already own grey knights and don't want to splash out on another monochrome army
>somehow the custodes lore is actually worse and more mary sue

Have they retconned the bananas to be doing anything for the last 10000 years?

Because if not I'll take the shiny special marines+ that actually have a decent combat record

Also Inquisitors are rad

I think Guilliman finally came around and told them to stop training for battle all day long and go out and get shit done.

Cost is always a factor.

So the custodes leave possible curoption in place to lash out again and bring misery. The GK burn out the infected parts. Ugly, but effective.

This whole thread is like watching furries argue that they are cooler than bronies.

Are they right? Maybe, but christ you’re still both a giant pack of faggots.

If every time a cultist band went unBLAMmed a sector was destroyed by daemons, the Imperium wouldn't have lasted a hundred years. Inquisitors probably have a higher bodycount than daemonic incursions over the lifespan of the Imperium.

Custodes are so good that they don't purge any innocents.

They've been flexing, mourning, and training this whole time. Also fighting demons that were in the imperial palace for some reason

They've been doing undercover operations around the galaxy posing as other chapters

>for some reason
Magnus would be the reason.

Also I think Terra is ridiculously bad for Chaos Cults

>posing as other chapters
That sounds difficult, though given their skills not impossible. Still, a bit lazy all the same

It's like a penitent engine for space marines.

because you're fighting daemons?

In all seriousness though with GKs you pay a premium for their Daemon rapeing ability, if you want to play them as a mono army against anything else you are intentionally gimping yourself. GW have created a system where you can play any major faction against any other, if you want to play a specialised army against something they don't specialise in you can but you can't really complain about it being unfair. There's nothing stopping you from including guard, marines, mech etc.. to overcome GKs flaws. Custodes I suspect will have similar problems to GK, sore they're more generally useful but they still suffer the problem of being hyper-elite in a game that favours boots on the ground, the big difference is that GW are encouraging you to "include" Custodes in your army rather than play them as a mono faction army

the main thing yo have to remember is that 8th edition transports us into the future so a bit like Primaris dreads they've had a century or so to gain some honours. The Custodes also have psyco-indoctination (much like marines), the blood games and innumerable Terran conflicts that they've been involved with including things like the Vandire debacle and the Assassin's civil war

This, desu.
youtube.com/watch?v=CirrRY_6aaU

>Horribly over-detailed miniatures with terrible proportions
So, pretty much like every plastic GW miniatures from the last 5 years then?

Here's your (You), now go and learn about aesthetics.

It was one of the early warning signs of the creative bankruptcy that was spreading in the studio. They still have a few decent designers left, but they are subverted by marketing imperatives or drowned out by the hacks.

They don't even rape demons. Demons still beat them because they don't have enough offensive output.

They were stated to be doing a couple of things during this time.

1) Undercover ops throughout the galaxy
2) Protecting the imperial palace from the constant threat of demons (Thanks Magnus)
3) Fighting in SOL system as it turns out Terra which is the largest Hive Planet in the imperium is full of demon cults, demons, genestealer cults, and dick bag eldar all trying to destroy the imperium from its seat of power.
4) They are placed as guards in important strategic locations for the Imperium such as at the Gene Vaults, Super Space Prison, the Vault which contains what remains of the terrors of the Old Night, and of course the Freaking imperial palace which is a ridiculously huge mega-structure bigger than most hive cities.

For 10,000 dudes at their peak that is spreading them pretty thin.

eh I've watched them wreck someones KDK army although granted that was before the Daemons codex arrived. The played did say that Tzeench armies are a headache though. I do think that GW should concentrate on them being daemon wrecking machines rather than trying to make them more generically powerful still. Having their psychically charged weapons ignore daemonic saves would go a long way. In 2nd ed force weapon auto wounded and ignored saves vs daemons, I think re-roll wounds and ignore daemonic saves would be cool and fluffy for Psycannons psilencers and nemesis weapons. Psybolt ammuniton stratagem should strait up be Mortal wounds/ignore invulnrable saves vs daemons and psykers (but does bog all against everything else)

also horrors being unable to split when taking mortal wounds should be a thing

Isn't the imperial palace basically the entirety of eurasia?

>Lore had Malcador designing them as the successor to custodes on the battlefield
This isn’t true at all. The Grey Knights never had anything to do with Custodes. Their purpose was entirely different.

>bigger
The Grey Knights have only 1000ish marines while Custodes number around 10,000.

>better in every way
Custodes have always been the best of the best. Grey Knights are only better at fighting daemons because that’s their whole purpose. They may not even be better at that considering Custodes held out for 5 years against unlimited daemons in the Webway War.

There is definitely one horus heresy book where in a conversation about the grey knight project beginning, somebody mentions how they are superior even to custodes. They're probably exclusively talking about them being psykers, and I have no recollection of the source, but it's out there somewhere.

Shoot, giving Force weapons the old "pass a psychic test =instant death" rule back.

>There is definitely one horus heresy book where in a conversation about the grey knight project beginning, somebody mentions how they are superior even to custodes
No. You made this up and that’s why you can’t remember the source. Grey Knights are psychic marines but at the end of the day they’re just good marines. Custodes are on a whole other level.

Fuck instant death. Multiple wounds is better, otherwise you'll be instakilling warlord titans with a stick that sparkles.

How about the reason to play grey knights? Psychic powers.

Now for some salt. Why don't grey knights have access to the standard space marine powers?

>Grey Knights are psychic marines but at the end of the day they’re just good marines.
With no genetic flaws, no vulnerability to demonic influence, and better gear than anyone who hasn't been outside of Terra in the last 10,000 years.

>With no genetic flaws, no vulnerability to demonic influence
Same as Custodes except Custodes are physically and mentally superior. They have better gear too.

Except for that one Grey Knight that tried to take down Slaanesh.

Also, why don't grey knights get standard SM psychic powers. Atleast on their librarians.

Yes, that would all be cool, but instead daemons get a stratagem that specifically says when a GK unit kills a daemon unit, you can bring it back and full strength and deepstrike it for 2CP. Only limit to how many times you can do it is the amount of CP you have. They literally made GK the worst at the one thing they are supposed to be good at.

>I do think that GW should concentrate on them being daemon wrecking machines rather than trying to make them more generically powerful still
Rock Paper Scissors army design is stupid.

WRONG. The Beast series has an Inquisitor that was aboard the Vengeful Spirit during the final battle. He said that the Grey Knights are superior to the Custodes.

Furthermore, the Custodes as shown in "Emperor's Legion" are jealous of the Grey Knights. Their existence makes the Custodes have doubts about themselves.

Also among the Custodes duties is fighting daemons but they cannot do it effectively on their own. They require the Sisters of Silence to fight alongside them. Both groups are meant to work always in tandem with each other. Grey Knights don't need any outside group to be effective against daemons.

Reminds me of early warwalkers

>WRONG. The Beast series has an Inquisitor that was aboard the Vengeful Spirit during the final battle. He said that the Grey Knights are superior to the Custodes.
The Beast series is well known for god-awful writing and what the fuck does some random inquisitor know
>Furthermore, the Custodes as shown in "Emperor's Legion" are jealous of the Grey Knights. Their existence makes the Custodes have doubts about themselves.
At least some of them are insecure about the GK since they were the Emperor's last creation, true. It's hard to see the basis for this though, as they never felt insecure about the Thunder Warriors, Astartes or Primarchs as they are, as far as we know, the oldest of Big E's designs still around.
>Also among the Custodes duties is fighting daemons but they cannot do it effectively on their own. They require the Sisters of Silence to fight alongside them. Both groups are meant to work always in tandem with each other. Grey Knights don't need any outside group to be effective against daemons.
Of course they can fight daemons by themselves. They are supposed to be able to fight ANYTHING that could threaten the Emperor. They're not psykers because psykers can never be completely trusted (see: GK runes that make them blow up if Chaos taint is detected). Anathema Psykana were not even a separate group, they were both part of the Talons so that's like saying GKs can't act without Purifiers because they're slightly different.

Not him, but he's not just some random inquisitor. He's one of the original founding members of the inquisition as an organization. He's been around since before the Grey Knights even existed.

Grey knights should have tactics and weapons that are more effective against daemons. But not just flat do more damage

Like high volume low ap but trade for high strength weapons . Abilities to deny the witch and smite easilly. A bade fnp and one that's stronger against pyschers.

Just general stuff that exploits daemon weaknesses. No tyranid kronos shit though, that's just bullshit.

>The Beast series is well known for god-awful writing and what the fuck does some random inquisitor know

Not an argument. That inquisitor fought alongside both Custodes (in the HH no less) and Grey Knights. He would know.

>At least some of them are insecure about the GK since they were the Emperor's last creation, true.

It's represented as a Custodes whole thing which explains why the Custards treat the Grey Knights especially coldly.

>Of course they can fight daemons by themselves.

But not effectively.

>(see: GK runes that make them blow up if Chaos taint is detected)

Source this.

>Anathema Psykana were not even a separate group

They ARE a separate group that was allowed wither and fade. For the longest time, the Custodes operated without them.

>Grey Knights don't need any outside group to be effective against daemons.

>Sister of battle hat.jpeg

>point
>"your point is wrong"
>provide evidence to back up point
>"your evidence doesn't matter because it's bad writing, despite being canon"
I mean, I hate the beast arises and HH series as much as the next guy, but they are canon.
And if you claim to be an authority on the lore, , try reading it.

He's right but it's some gaymo inquisitor giving his opinion and saying they are better than custodes. Custodes are still shown to be way better in all the books that I've read.

>Except for that one Grey Knight that tried to take down Slaanesh.
Never stated what he was beyond having silver armor.

>mentally superior
>were getting psychically assfucked by the Thousand Sons before the Sisters of Silence bailed them out
Sure...

I will never understand SM players whining about their favorite nerf faction when dark eldar or ork players are literally forgotten by GW.

The INQUISITOR WAS ABOARD THE VENGEFUL SPIRIT during the final battle. He saw both warriors fight firsthand and fought alongside them. He is a credible authority over both factions.

They just needed the blood of the innocent.

Posting the text :

>‘They are called the Grey Knights,’ said Veritus. ‘They are a force of warriors without peer, engineered from gene-seed taken from the Emperor Himself a thousand years ago. A last, parting gift from our god before He was taken from us to sit upon His Golden Throne.’

>‘They are Adeptus Custodes then?’ Wienand rubbed her hand along the wood. Whereas the bench in the Sigillite’s Retreat was smooth and dry, the grain of this wood was rough under her touch, the strands of lignin still swollen with moisture. Although dead, it smelt fresh; a sense of life still clung to it.

>‘They are greater than the Adeptus Custodes,’ said Veritus. ‘Each one is a potent psyker. Their strength is in their brotherhood. As the end approached, the Emperor foresaw a need for warriors who could stand against Chaos, incorruptible and mighty, and He made them so, the mightiest warriors beside the primarchs He ever created. For them, the daemon holds no fear. I believe that, in time, the Emperor hoped mankind would realise its psychic potential, avoid the catastrophe that struck the eldar, and end the threat of Chaos forever. In the Grey Knights, I see hope for the future. They are the pinnacle of what we could be.’

>‘The eldar are psychic by nature. From what they have hinted, that sped their destruction. They tell me that we have already fallen. The Dark Age of Technology was our era of might, and even then we could not match their empire of old. They persisted for millions of years, we for mere thousands and now we slowly die.’ She thought of the Sigillite’s Retreat as she said that.

>‘We rose again, and we can rise a third time. They are the spent force, not us,’ said Veritus. ‘We must believe this, or we are doomed. When you see the Grey Knights, you will understand that there is hope.’ He was trembling. His breath was shallow, and he perspired. Wienand looked at him with concern.

The Custodes codex outright says they are imbued with the power of the emperor himself. This will protect them and have psyker powers negated if directed at them.

That's still an opinion, retard.

>The Custodes codex outright says they are imbued with the power of the emperor himself.

Text please?

>This will protect them and have psyker powers negated if directed at them

This seems to be more about willpower.

The Custodes are not made from the Emperor's own flesh. This makes them inferior to Grey Knights who carry the blood and flesh of the Emperor in them.

An informed opinion based on observations of both groups in combat.

The giga-satan has spoken.

Dont forget, the Custodes do it for free

warhammer-community.com/2018/01/16/adeptus-custodes-preview-part-2-troopsgw-homepage-post-2/

Aegis of the emperor

>still an opinion
You know opinions aren't fact, right?