Weekend Warcraft Lore General

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>not wanting genderbent anduin on sylvannas to happen
It's like you're not even a paladin

I want the war to end, so Anduin and Sylvannus can go love each other and make a fuckton of babies.

So we have a Monkey King NPC who is a magical Hozen.

Why can't we have a magical Quilboar as Pigsy and a magical Sand Troll as Sandy?

Sylvanas is undead, so she's barren.

>implying the Naaru gift isn't opening up that womb when they light cleanse her
Remember this is Blizzard writing her story

I'm sorry but as a paladin who regularly faps to Liadrin while in Battleground que, that guy sounds like he's never actually seen porn much less has any decent taste.
I mean wtf he wants his porn to be 3D and moving? Were people just plain retarded back in vanilla?

>Remember this is Blizzard writing her story
Remember how Raynor promised to kill Kerrigan?

The Old Gods'll do it. They could make her womb live again. Hell, they could give it eyes. She could watch herself get impregnated.

That's all fine and dandy. What's not fine is focusing the story on fringe lore like the Xel'naga and effectively morphing the Diablo and Warcraft universes into yet another fantasy shit tale.

I'd like to be a fly on the wall when that conversation comes up.

>"How in the name of artha's tin can ass crack am I PREGGERS, DAMMIT?"
>"Well, Syl, when a man and a woman love each other very much they -"
>"I don't mean like that! I mean that I'm Naaru-dammed DEAD! There are other forsaken who's crotches have LITERALLY fallen off. Seriously, there is an entire job market for having to pick up people's dead, rotting crotches."
>"That's... disturbing, my lady."
>"Ya damn right it's disturbing. Hell, I don't even know where they put the damn things. So I ask again, how in the name of Velen's holy toilet paper am I preggers? I'm DEAD! I can't even remember the last time I had a cycle dammit!"
>"Um... M-might I ask as to exactly the father might be?"
>"Do so, and I send you to clean the bathrooms for the abominations."

>Unknowable eldritch beings from beyond the veil invent ultrasound
uh

Of all the terrible plot roads Blizzard could have went down, why didn't they go down the shipping lanes?

At least it generates good porn.

They got Overwatch for that, user. Don't you worry about any waifu wars.

Did Blizzarr ever explain how Thrall's Horde retook Stonard/established Grom'gol? Or are we gonna have to wait for chronicles 3/4 to learn that?

Should I find voice compilations for these artifacts? I don't have any max level characters with talky artifacts.

Vanilla had a bunch of well adjusted old people who spent their youth on games like EQ. Plus blizzard forums aren't like the anons on a suluwezian crochet imageboard; the fetishes don't exactly line up with places like /a/

No need for waifu wars, it's more fun to trigger the safe space crowd with overwatch

That's like saying it'd be all fine and dandy if Arthas after becoming the Lich King has Jaina promise to kill him in Warcraft 3, and then in WotLK have Jaina still be in love with Arthas and then when Arthas gets cured by a Titanic artifact she falls deeply in love with him again.

And then Arthas becomes the Lich King (but a good guy Lich King) again to save Azeroth or some shit.

Maybe I'm too empathetic to potential emotions but it all comes across as reasonable, especially if Raynor/Jaina is able to distance Arthas/Kerrigan from portrayed corruption and still see what they were in love with in the first place.

Because unfortunately most people don't actually know Journey to the West that well, so the reference isn't dank enough for Blizzard.

How much "Unit building" should an isolated force be able to manage. How much should the various gameplay simplifications from the RTS play into things if I was to run a campaign.

Would recruiting be more a question of mobilizing people who can stop foraging and maintaining damaged gear "offscreen" as players secure steady food suplies and forges?

>an isolated force
0% unless you're recruiting from an already isolated region of townsfolk and peasantry

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if the Sylvanas and the Forsaken ultimately ended up as a new "living" race. Like in a setting where vampires have children.

I unironically want this

No it fucking isn't, Arthas made a sequence of choices that led to him becoming the Lich King while Kerrigan was betrayed and infested.
Kerrigan does NOT have a Warcraft analogue. Stop memeing the Arthas/Sylvanas perspective on a completely different character you twits.

What're the problems with roleplaying a draenei supremacist? It's a concept I've been kicking around a lot with how they're supposed to be amazing at everything even though all they do is get their assessment kicked.

Cause an actual draenei supremacist would just join the legion.

Velen devouts would chastise you and they make up a majority of the population, I think.

A vast majority of supremacists are "nationalists" and fully believe in independence and probably wouldn't just drop a line and run off somewhere else. Maybe they're more susceptible to demonic intervention, however.

>A vast majority of supremacists are "nationalists" and fully believe in independence and probably wouldn't just drop a line and run off somewhere else.

No such thing exists. If a draenei feels he is the hottest shit around he would join the organization espousing exactly that instead of staying a refugee. WoD showed exactly that happen.

We're talking in some degree of realism here. You wouldn't just join an alien organization if you're vying for your own species' supremacy. That doesn't make any sense.

Are you shitposting or just refusing to accept the lore? The leejun is fundamentally an eredar organization. They are the leaders and commanders and they espouse their superiority over everything. Its not an alien organization but the majority of the original eredar of Argus. You had to have an incredibly good reason for not joining them at the start and going with Velens magical journey instead.

No draenei ever would stay with Velen and start supremacist shit. Not with your crystal jesus hanging out in the middle of your city and their promise of your survival hanging on forming a huge multi-race army to fight the legion. Draenei would be expecting and be absolutely stoked about finding more allies on more planets and supremacy would belong to the naaru if anyone.

>not an alien organization
What? The Legion is incredibly diverse.

>No draenei ever would stay with Velen and start supremacist shit.
Why not?

Not that user but the Legion being diverse is because they integrate enslaved races. The Eredar are still top, with only Sarg above them.

I feel sorry for the classes that have sentient weapons. Maybe they could be preserved as pets or something.

>What? The Legion is incredibly diverse.

Its not. Its eredar+enslaved races.

>Why not?

Because the exiled eredar are about Velen and forming the Army of the Light. End of the story.

Velen isnt a supremacist, the Triumvirate are not supremacists, Exarchs are not supremacists. Even if any random draenei would get the idea despite all their religion, culture and indoctrination he would have no one to rally around and no way to find anyone agreeing with him and iff he was really serious about eredar power then leejun.

There is really nothing more to discuss here.

>>No draenei ever would stay with Velen and start supremacist shit.
>Why not?
Because pulling on the Supremacy string is literally how Sargeras "conquered" Argus

>Join the Legion
Not anymore they won't!

>infusing any of the warlock weapons or knaifu with the power of sargeras

This is a wonderful plan that can not go wrong at all.

>There is really nothing more to discuss here.
Except you expect an entire population to have absolutely zero fringe forces pushing any sort of unique political agenda. That's simply unbelievable.

>Kerrigan does NOT have a Warcraft analogue.
Found the Sylvanas fan.

Sadly, with Blizzard writing, your statement is true.

I hate this "Everyone gets their unique Spec Superweapon, but you all lose it the same way". Thal'kiel and Knaifu are with you at their discretion, they would leave you if you tried to kill them.

Yes I expect exactly that in a super indoctrinated religious order that has been on a pilgrimage for like 15.000 years and seeking to gather allies for a righteous crusade aganist their own supremacist kin. Plus there is no space for "political agenda" at all. Their are a theocracy. What Velen says is law.

There's still quite a few steps missing. Kerrigan was later purged of her evil, took part of the corruption back, and uses it as a force for good. Sylvanas just broke free of the mind control and uses her corruption for more self centered desires.If they ever invent a titan artifact and get her to make peace with her siblings I'll agree with this though.

Is there a place to learn about the lore? I havn't played since Cata, and the wiki doesn't do a good job of explaining over arching plotlines. I just want to see how awful everything is now.

I'm still kind of salty that some people get sentient weapons while others just get something they pulled out of their ass. Like I just can't find it possible to care about these fist weapons I was granted as a windwalker.

What roleplay server is the place to be these days?

Yeah, there's absolutely nothing realistic about this, which is why it's unbelievable.
Plus I never got the impression there was a "crusade" in the works, especially after reading the Chronicle and of their survival on Draenor. They are not as zealous as you think they are--they're rather progressive, and that idea matches with their adaptation of shamanism.

>Yeah, there's absolutely nothing realistic about this, which is why it's unbelievable.

Stop ranting about realism. They are hyper-religous aliens. Contemporary human politics does not apply.

>Plus I never got the impression there was a "crusade" in the works, especially after reading the Chronicle and of their survival on Draenor.

Then you got the impression wrong because that was their thing since BC.

>They are not as zealous as you think they are--they're rather progressive, and that idea matches with their adaptation of shamanism.

They just dont fit your regular grognards idea of zealotry. One can be super zealous and driven without being something out of 40k.

>they're rather progressive, and that idea matches with their adaptation of shamanism.

Their shamans did not stop using the light or changed their culture. Its just a new tool to use, a new voice to listen to, a new ally aganist the Legion, not a conversion.

Is there a higher resolution version of this map?

Need it for my fanfiction.

>Sylvanas
It's Illidan, the most shocking twist of Legion is that he didn't replicate the final cinematic of SC2 with Sargeras.

Ooh, what are you writing user? I am currently writing a crossover with warcraft and it seems to be well recieved.

I'm the self insert race guy.

Still working on it, so far I have an idea but I want to iron out the details before I write.

what are you planning on self inserting?

Why even play a draenei at that point? They can be haughty and self-righteous, sure. We saw that as early as TBC with the Aldor and Interrogator Khan. But if you just want to regurgitate /pol/ memes with tentacles, you're really looking at the wrong race.

A race of people.

I can post more about it later I need to sleep now.

It would be actually pretty interesting to play a draenei whos haughty, self-righteous and imperious but actually a good person and can back up his bull.

There's no race as consistently fucked by Blizzard as Goblins.

If you don't know, they were a playable race in the early stages of development of WC3. All the goblin buildings, units and heroes that you see in the game are leftovers from this time. They had an absolutely kickass gimmick of sacrificing their mass produced units to do damage to the enemy. But when Blizzard realised that they couldn't handle balancing over four factions, it was goblins that got the axe. Of well.

Then the OP map. As you can see, Undermine, a goblin homeland, was originally planned to be a separate continent. A small one, but a distinct one nonetheless. Then, for WoW, decision was made to enlarge it to rival the other continents in size, and to make it an important travel hub - something like Dalaran is nowadays! However, as the developers leaned further and further towards increasing the importance of PvP, a neutral travel hub was becoming an impossibility, and so it was axed in its totality.

Not only that, but. Gnomes, let me remind you, were not originally planned to be a player race, hence their absence in the opening cinematic for WoW, which was made relatively early on in the development cycle. Then, when they were introduced as a player race at the last moment, Blizzard scrambled to find an identity for them. But, since they were too pressed for time, they did the lazy thing and just gave them the goblin identity from the strategy games. And goblins... they were suddenly and unexpectedly made into Jewish stereotypes instead of a player race that they should have been from the start.

The final insult was turning Kezan - which was, once again, originally planned as a continent! - into a five man dungeon. And Gallywix is now the funny sidekick of Sylvanas, whereas Gazlowe was an equal to Thrall. As a fan of goblins ever since WC3, I can feel my will to play the game seeping out. The only thing that's left is running tabletop campaigns with oldschool goblins.

>self-righteous and imperious
>but actually a good person
This is what Americans really believe.

It is not impossible to play a character deeper than a one dimension stereotype.

>Jewish stereotypes
You know, if you're gonna shout this every time a fantasy race has "money" as its shtick, then that's on you. Goblins in vanilla were largely the same as goblins in WC3, with a slightly larger focus on profit since it's easy to write filler quests around that (and even then, there were plenty of goblins who also cared about other stuff, like in the silithid questline). Kezan goblins are the only ones to be a specific real-world stereotype, but they're hyper-americans (which is still awful, I'll grant you). Also...

>hence their absence in the opening cinematic for WoW
Trolls and goblins were also missing, so I don't know if that is indicative of much. Besides, gnomes were mirrors of goblins as far back as Warcraft 2.

Yes, but these qualities don't mix.

They do. You can mix a lot of qualities if youre interested in not playing out a banal cliché.

>Goblins in vanilla were largely the same as goblins in WC3, with a slightly larger focus on profit
Of course the focus on profit was larger, because it didn't exist before WoW.
>I don't know if that is indicative of much
I know. I read about WoW's development.

>Should I find voice compilations for these artifacts?
They are on youtube, so worry not.

Imagine being this insecure about your own country

Honestly, checking zones by level is easiest way nowadays on wiki, as the leveling was changed so you have quests in chapters.
Patch 7.3.5 did this to the entire world.

France is shit, but thankfully we don't have the American qualities of character.

Draenei supremacist just doesn't work in any class.
>Warrior
Too braindead to learn magic over the thousands of years of your life (unless you were born on Draenor), so there is nothing to brag about your racial supremacy, when you are bottom of it
>Hunter
You know how to tame animals and how to hide in woods.How cute you think that's relevant in a race of high Arcane skill
>Paladin
You accepted the Light in the way Velen presented it to your people, and you act as a holy defender of your people. Pride is irrelevant, because it's distracting from your duty
>Shaman
You are guy who decided to try something new, when Nobundo, a Broken your people basically exiled due to his new deformations, have come and told of hearing the voice of the Elements. There is no place for racial supremacy when you decided to learn from deformed member of your society that others wanted as far away from them as possible
>Priest, Holy
Another believer of the Light as Velen brought it to your society, you live to heal your people, so pride in racial supremacy have no space here
>Priest, Discipline
You heal your people, defend them, and unleash Holy Fire upon Demons that threatens them. Said Demons are usually Eredar, your cousins that joined Legion. Racial pride have no space in the faith of the Light
>Priest, Shadow
You are the person who came to understanding that where is Light, there will always be Shadow too, and likely used to be Auchenai, where Shadow magic is pretty relevant. You have seen Naaru become darkened, and still you live to preserve dead of your species, and still believe in the windchimes. Racial pride is irrelevant, when your philosophy revolves around the fact that Auchidoun was made to help one darkened Naaru to heal to Light again by absorbing soul energies of your fallen brethren
>Mage
To be continued...

Are Priests invariably just "servants of the Light that are too much of a bitch to be a Paladin" or "insane Void cultists who are actually serving the Old Gods even though they probably used their powers to fight off C'Thun and Yogg-Saron"?

>Mage
You study the Arcane, as your ancestors did before you. You might be as ancient as the exile, and you decided to trust Velen when he told you that Light-infused Windchimes told him that this clearly powerful in Arcane guy named Sargeras is actually full of Fel and will turn your kind into Man'ari. You also learned that Ata'mal Crystal, that many believe was a factor in enhancing Arcane abilities of your race when it was still young, was a gift from those Windchimes. You gave up supremacy of your race when you rejected offer of Sargeras and decided to become a refugee, even if you do your best to keep your race from regressing, usually through Arcane engineering. You may hold some pride that you are responsible for keeping relevant parts of your society working, but deep down you know that Light users are more important to your race than you are, especially since you crashed on Draenor.

Some Shadow Priests might be working for Void Lords directly, like by becoming insane through contact with Darkened Naaru.
Holy Priests are so focused on healing that becoming Paladins seems pointless.
Others likes raining Holy Fire from afar, while also shielding their allies from harm.

Paladins, on the other hand, either focus on bringing JUSTICE upon those that are wrong in the eyes of the Light (Void stuff, Undead, Demons) and are Retribution Paladins. Those that have evil focus on themselves, while others beat those guys to death and are Protection Paladins. And the guys that heal others by sharing their aura and look cool, and become Holy Paladins, despite the fact that Priests are better at this job.

In other words, Discipline Priests likes healing too much to become Paladins, while Holy Paladins likes wearing plate and hitting stuff with a hammer too much to become Priests.

Retard. Paladins are dumb brutes too stupid to be a Priest.

>so there is nothing to brag about your racial supremacy, when you are bottom of it

Okay, in some fairness this describes most actual racial supremacists IRL.

>In other words, Discipline Priests likes healing too much to become Paladins, while Holy Paladins likes wearing plate and hitting stuff with a hammer too much to become Priests.

This is just nu-lore reflecting mechanical changes. Go back to Vanilla and you find Holy was actually just as much a DPS spec as it was a heaing spec. Holy had multiple talents increasing the damage of spells like Exorcism, Seals, and Holy Shock. The original dissonance between Retribution and Holy was Ret is basically just a Warrior with religious trappings while Holy as the actual "Smite the Evil" battle cleric archetype the class as a whole is now.

Shit, Holy even had the talent which boosted your Strength stat.

I admit I forgot a lot of pre-Cata classes that I have not played back then, and Paladins were not that popular, though that could be due to Elves.

Paladins were always one of the most popular classes even before Cata changes, for several. The first was they're a staple class from WC3 and have direct ties to Arthas, one of the most popular characters from that game. Plus they used to have a lot of interesting and subtle personality which later expansions all but erased when turning the Silver Hand into an Astartes chapter.

The second major reason is the class was (and still is) absolutely fucking braindead while still being effective. Probably the only class back in Vanilla you could conistently play while masturbating.

Weren't the nathrezim the first ones to join the legion

Well, I admit that BWL (I think) set was one of the priettest ones. Also, are you from the screen?

Initial joiners to Legion when Sargeras released them from prison (excluding those who rejected, like Ulthalesh) were indeed Nathrezim and Annihilan, but when Sargeras hired Eredar, he put them in charge of those.
Other demonic races were usually enslaved, except Shivarra, which hold position as priestesses of Sargeras, and specialist torturers.

>Also, are you from the screen?

No, but that's been a common joke about the class for ever. There was even this ancient "how to" video which was literally the paladin player alt-tabbing and browsing porn in the middle of fighting a mob.

How did they even become demons, anyway? We'll never know because their planet was blown up forever to make Illidan look good.

>Plus they used to have a lot of interesting and subtle personality which later expansions all but erased when turning the Silver Hand into an Astartes chapter.
Don't get me started on Blood Knights, they were cool for a part of an expansion.

>tfw Liadrin went from a sneering, ruthless pragmatist to generic Captain GoodGuy
>tfw most of /wwlg/ thinks this was an improvement

Being a cunt 24/7 gets tiring, man.

come back wake up

>Of course the focus on profit was larger, because it didn't exist before WoW.
>world is about to end when archimonde is attacking the world tree
>happy goblin merchant asks 150 bucks a pop to sell you landmines.

The don't play a cunt, leave it to people who actually like it.

>your workers and soldiers still demand to be paid their wages in gold

Goblins have always been war profiteers, though.