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massdebater
massdebater

FAQ rules out deepstriking primarchs. Also new Thousand Sons faction focus.

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Snarelure
Snarelure

1st for the steel legion.

RumChicken
RumChicken

2nd for the steel legion

DeathDog
DeathDog

ITT: we reach 40k posts :^)

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

How do we fix Necrons?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Seems like the end times are still happening, it's difficult to post still

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

my dudes > your dudes

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

What's that Cthulhu looking thing in the background?

whereismyname
whereismyname

It's also difficult to ram your sister in the ass, but that doesn't mean I'm giving up

Lunatick
Lunatick

Same way as Sister of Battle :^)

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

mutalith vortex beast.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

First for orks

w8t4u
w8t4u

Especially difficult considering I don't have a sister.

Guess your next post is about how you're gonna do my mom to make sure I have a sister first in that case.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Bring back Pariahs

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

I am gonna have hot homo sex with your dad and let him cum in my ass!

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

How do I make a good daemons list?
Like, what are good tactics?

It seems 20 duders and herald is a good idea.
Khorne drops 20 bloodletters and a herald to give them reroll charged for that first turn action.
Nurgle drops 20 plaguebearers and a herald casting a power on them for a -2 to hit meatwall that’s happy to sit there until turn two.
Tzeentch drops 20 horrors and a herald, casting a power on them to give their 60 s4 shots +1 to wound.
Slaanesh... is an eternal disappointment as always and can do nothing good.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Looking to rejoin 40k and need advice.
I'm really taken with the 'screaming hordes of goons, rallying around big icons, while monsters stride around them' type army. Real end-of-the-world uprising style.
So basically between GSC/Nids or Renegades/Daemons.
At the same time, I really want to use Stratagems and mobility to win. Things like out-of-sequence movement, sudden lunges, teleportation n shit.

Which faction would I have a better time with?

Emberburn
Emberburn

i2

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Have you tried adding more Space Marines?

RumChicken
RumChicken

I2!

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Why can't i post pics

FastChef
FastChef

This Thread is a duplicate.

Get in there

veekyforums.com/thread/57567345/games
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CodeBuns
CodeBuns

duders
Mwg get out

I'd say demons, cooler minis and more variety if you want to change it up

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Both would work fine for what you describe, though GSC has the cult Ambush Table which is much more random and varied. Daemons tend to be more predictable where and how they arrive.

Toss a coin and then see which one you really want.

Nojokur
Nojokur

this one is older and was posted first.

Supergrass
Supergrass

No, you get in here

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

What are you on nigger? I've updated the thread with the newest warhammer community thing.

Yours has shitty memes as the daily video and outdated community news.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

No this was posted first

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

I haven’t much, is it a good combo? They’re so expensive if I add some they take up my whole list.

I wanna play pure daemons

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Don't use the n-word, please!

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

t.nigger

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

9th edition power creep.

Skullbone
Skullbone

warhammer-community.com/faqs/?orderby=post_modified&order=desc#items-warhammer-40000

Demon/CSM/DG FAQ updated.

Brimstone nerfed to 6++
Many units that were demon now have it has a basic keyword and not a faction keyword, and hence can't be taken in an all demon arm/use their stratagems.
Magnus/Throne of skull can't deepstrike anymore with demon stratagem

Emberfire
Emberfire

MODS

WebTool
WebTool

Global Rule #3 though

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Brimstones were already nerfed to 6++ in the daemons codex. Makes sense they updated the profile for older codexes.

The rest is just patching up the issues raised because GW didn't include
Strategems can only be used on stuff from the same codex
in the rules.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Wait. Custodes get Imperial Knights, too? SpikeyBait mentioned it in a post this morning but that seems a bit too much.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Hahahhahahahhahahah. Transport disembarking summoning is still alive.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

So I am having trouble beating nids with orks. Every nidbro runs 4-6 biovores, has them do a shimmy on their turn so they are hitting on 5s only, then cockblocks my movement. What the fuck can I do. I cant out shoot them, most have switched to dakkafexes with venom cannons and 12 other shots each, and if you DO get close, genstealers out of fucking no where to eat your assault units. HALP!

WebTool
WebTool

Any predictions on the Imperial Knight codex release date and content ? Knowing my luck it will be second to last, right before Deathwatch.

Here's hoping for solo Knight rules that compensate the lack of models with new options for MY GUYS. Perhaps the chaos knight datasheet with the different configurations having separate names and a name for a twin-gun knight.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Brimstones were already nerfed to 6++ in the daemons codex.

yeah, but those that got nerfed are an another unit with the same name.

In 8th, only index units get overridden. Demons Codex Brimstone are NOT CSM codex brimstone.

See also : Guard Techpriest and Admech techpriest. Admech techpriest even have one more special rule.

eGremlin
eGremlin

What exactly do you mean? They can ally them in just like everyone, yeah

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

nigger have you SEEN the flowchart?

Illusionz
Illusionz

This might be obvious, but in a Chaos army, do Daemon characters receive the locus, if it's fully dedicated to one god?

Could I in a brigade for instance, use both Noise Marines and Daemonettes and a herald and still get it, or do I need a pure Slaanesh daemon detatchment to get the locus?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

How do you call people from Nigeria?
Niggers that is how

Booteefool
Booteefool

god that rule is such cancer

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

You need a full daemons detachment. Noise Marines can't be in such a detachment, though they could be in your army still under a different detachment.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

669
nice

but yeah you need the CSM in a different detachment, you need full daemons for the Locus

Methnerd
Methnerd

They're in a codex, you've been lumped in with AdMech

TreeEater
TreeEater

Yeah. Have you ?

Reread it. Only index unit get overwritten. Any unit that get a codex = you can use it's dataslate.

Hence both guard techpriest and admech techpriest are different units, costed and gearded in their own codex, but both can take gear options from the Index techpriest.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

They got coverage in the admech codex. If they get another supplement it won't be until the very last unless it comes bundled with other small books

Flameblow
Flameblow

First for Adeptus Sororitas

DeathDog
DeathDog

Glad I painted my new minis, can't wait to show my progress to those faggots on /40kg/
oh..

askme
askme

Eh, post anyway, I'm certainly interested

Bidwell
Bidwell

They will get their own codex sooner or later, already had an update as a separate army in Chapter Approved.

TreeEater
TreeEater

Can't post images bro

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

I can't, Hiroshimoot accidentaly the whole chan.

TechHater
TechHater

post ascii

massdebater
massdebater

both can take gear options from the Index techpriest.

Does he have any? I'd like to vary my Admech HQs up a bit.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Knight sized, if not bigger
Why? Magnus's mini in HH wasn't nearly as big. Being a Daemon Prince doesn't mean you should be FUCKHUGE.

TalkBomber
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BinaryMan
BinaryMan

He spent the last ten millennia bulking up

Lunatick
Lunatick

8/10
Pretty decent, love the detail on the eyes
The layers on the thighs look a little thick, that might be the lighting tho, try posting more ascii in your fridge

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Is there any mega with all the Epic rules and magazines?

Inmate
Inmate

Being a Daemon Prince doesn't mean you should be FUCKHUGE
get_a_load_of_this_loyalist_cam

Techpill
Techpill

20 dudes
ohohoho
probably 30 horrors t1 with a herald to clear out chafe, then 30-60 bloodletters t2

Supergrass
Supergrass

30 costs me 2cp, may as well do two squads of 20.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Well, we're talking about Magnus here, he could easily change his form. Hell, before his apotheosis he once grew up to the size of a titan so he could punch gargants in the face.

RumChicken
RumChicken

Welp, I'm going to bed
See you all when we get out of this warp storm and back to reality

Inmate
Inmate

You are so wrong I literally made myself laugh thinking of you going to some tournament all smug and confident in your knowledge with just gaggles of brimstones, only to be told to enjoy your T3 6+ saves.

5mileys
5mileys

then you don't get flickering flames on 30 models. people will run 3 battalions for CP probably

Emberburn
Emberburn

I get it on 20 horrors and I get another chance at smite, thats good enough for me.

RavySnake
RavySnake

Two 40kg threads and the other one is less than 200 pots wtf?

JunkTop
JunkTop

this one is older, some idiots must have migrated for some reason

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Friend has a lemun russ that fucks me every chance it gets, only played two games with him and keep making excuses not to each time he asks. i have a termi squad and the space marine start collecting set. how do i deal with this thing?

SniperGod
SniperGod

lascannons

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

normal marines become dreadnought-sized when they turn into Daemon princes.

Primarchs are bigger than normal marines, and Magnus was the biggest of all of them, so...

likme
likme

Dark eldar bros, which would make for a more well rounded Air Wing, 3 Razorwings with splinter cannons or 2 Razorwings twin-rifles and a Voidraven with missiles?

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Invest in the stormraven. Put termites inside. Shooting can delete one Russ, payload would charge anything else

Supergrass
Supergrass

Question. Are Space Marines (including all their variants) incapable of win without being in a soup list?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Not directly related to this, but is there any conversion idea to make stormraven less ugly?

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

They are. You just have to know how to play.

Emberburn
Emberburn

He man action figure as a primarch
power ranger zoid as a flyer
overdesigned spawn thing
those paint jobs
The absolute fucking state of this hobby. At least the TS look cool I guess.

SniperGod
SniperGod

Yes, Google it you lazy fuck.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Magnus is literally the only primarch that is justified in being shown this size. That said, just because he can be this big, doesn't mean he *should* be. Then again, he shouldn't look like a fucking poseable action figure either.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

For those of you who use Magnus... How the bloody hell do you carry that thing around again?

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

I'd kinda like to see them introduce some Daemon Prince that's on the other end of the scale. Like some Slanneshi Duellist who's still human-scale. Or even just some human-based daemon princes rather than literally every one of them we see being ex-marine.

Bidwell
Bidwell

did hiromoot fix shit?

Playboyize
Playboyize

Some people glue additional part of the hull to make it longer.

Methshot
Methshot

Why do the best Imperial sub-factions never get updated?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Balanced flyer.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

It costs an arm and a leg in points. Where do you see a problem?

WebTool
WebTool

Murdered a waacfags Nid list with Bloodletter Bomb, deepstriking Slaanesh termies and Typhus with 40 Poxwalkers coming up the rear.

Drink that soup, xenofag. Choke on those crusty Chaos croutons.

Nojokur
Nojokur

Okay.

Booteefool
Booteefool

I can't say I have a clue but try being proactive instead of being reactive perhaps?

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

squats NEVER EVER

Methnerd
Methnerd

Was it all really just because someone posted CP? Lmao Veeky Forums must have illiterate pajeets for programmers.

Flameblow
Flameblow

Here are squats you fag, appreciate them.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Magnetized wings and weapon hand

5mileys
5mileys

magnetize the wings
for what purpose? they slide right out.

idontknow
idontknow

Hello Veeky Forums could you have a look at my first timers CSM starter box setup before I assemble it. It's mostly fluffy World Eaters but I want to be able to win sometimes atleast.

Thanks in advance.

Methnerd
Methnerd

searched Stormraven on GW webstore
$129
holy shit wat
top right
Delivering to: New Zealand - English

Now I feel bad for southern dudes.

TreeEater
TreeEater

fluffy World Eaters
Play Khorne soup to make these suckers work

FastChef
FastChef

Dont they have stores there? Why order fron the web?

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Murdered a waacfags
play a waacfag list

ok

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Adaptus Custodes is making me think of getting back into 40k since it has such a small model count.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

8th ed rightfully nerfed super shooty armies like necrons and tau, but they are still very playable

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

It's the same price in the physical stores. for them it's cheaper to order FW.

King_Martha
King_Martha

Kiwis with DKoK and 30k armies while GW is P2win
Lel

cum2soon
cum2soon

on a tray

takes2long
takes2long

just dont expect to win often if you are playing pure custodes

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

On their own they lose even to thousand sons.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

i really wish the severan dominate was the closest thing we can get to a human equivalent of farsight enclave in terms of being an outcast. They look cool to paint.

;_;

Techpill
Techpill

Easy army to be drawn into

Evilember
Evilember

No, even better:

Do a CSM soup and make the other detachment a Renegade one with their speed buff and give them Khorne as their god.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

custodes plus sisters of silence is a force to reckon with, the sisters alone rape eldar, daemons and any psyker heavy army, while custodes rape just about everything else

RavySnake
RavySnake

We post CP all the time here. For fuck sake people make list to have more CP

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

is that a brigade detachment

FastChef
FastChef

This was the explanation I read, someone was posting CP and avoiding bans

whereismyname
whereismyname

I don't really want to buy any more yet because I'm a painfully slow painter. Could I make it work in any way with what I have?

Nojokur
Nojokur

SoS
As much as I love the bald bitches, Chimeras in a pure marine army are more usefull.
Everything that SoS do can be done by SoB, Greyfax, Culexus, Inquisitor and psyker for cheaper and/or better

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Yes, you can go CSM soup instead:

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Unfortunately I don't think GW will update Guard for a very long time. Similar to Orks and such, they've seemed to have been forgotten since the mid 90's.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Alright thanks!

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

I wonder if GW knows there is a market of overpriced third party guard.
There is a third party market for every single one of their neglected armies, even fucking Eldar aspects warrior have third party companies making them.

likme
likme

How do I make CD soup work?

TreeEater
TreeEater

There isn't for Necrons

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Bring magnus

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

lol what? no, bane of psykers and psychic abomination are fucking hax, they were already SoB, with those rules they are amazing, also pure custodes are nigh unkillable apart from cheesy amounts of dakka in where "that guy" will be rolling a literal bucket of dice every attack, i know its 1d4chan, but they do a really good job of simplifying rules
1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Adeptus_Custodes(8E)
1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Sisters_of_Silence
check this out

Emberburn
Emberburn

Oh I guarantee they know, however they probably also have data showing that they would make more profits from releasing more Marine models. A lot of players probably wouldn't buy new models unless they were REALLY good.

RumChicken
RumChicken

Nigger please, Orks had their last release 3 years ago.

DeathDog
DeathDog

Their abilities were MUCH better in 7th. In 8th they're pretty much useless unless you're facing an army like Grey Knights or Thousand Sons.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

CSM Patrol
Chaos Lord Terminator 138 points HQ
-Chainfist and Combi-melta

Hellbrute 172 points Elite
-Fist/scourge, Heavy Flamer

10x CSM 185 points Troops
-Combi-plas, ML, and Autocannon
---
495/500 points

Write your list out like this in notepad. No one wants to dig through that shit. I'd make two 5x csm squads, one with plasma/combi-plasma and power fist and another with Stormbolter/Hvy bolter. Don't put scourge and fist on a brute, its not worth the 40 points for the fist for 1 extra attackm use the heavy bolter or the lascannon.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Being this wrong
Have you play SoS in 8th, they are useless.
For starters their rhino does not have null

Supergrass
Supergrass

or eldar, or daemon armies or psyker heavy armies, for everything else theres custodes

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Sorry, Magnus is only available for Tzeentch soup or regular Chaos soup.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Just use Culexus, much cheaper and better.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

How do regular custodes stack up against wardens? 6+++ and axes seem pretty good.

I was in the process of starting a talons of the emperor army with the box set when the codex was announced, but now I'm not sure if I want to take any of the units that are in it (other than the sisters)

whereismyname
whereismyname

have 2 full armies at 2000 pts
have 2 armies at 1500 pts
still find myself wanting to pick up other armies
still don't have any terrain for my place
I have the full plastic crack addiction. What do I do?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

What armies do you have?

Lunatick
Lunatick

Is it all painted?

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

drukhari(around 3000 points) all painted
IG(around 2200 pts) all but a few infantry painted
thousand sons(around 1800 pts) all painted(though magnus isn't done)
genestealer cults(around 1500 pts) currently about half painted, I'm still working on it actively. I have some neophytes at home with some base colours on them right now

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

that clusterfuck of armies
not sticking to one Grand Alliance

No wonder you get jewed, user. I recommend collecting Nids next, because you already have GSC and some IG fuckslaves.

Methnerd
Methnerd

my roommate is picking up nids right now, I don't want to step on her toes too much.

I'm considering Salamanders or Emperor's children next, but fuck the idea of finecrap conversion kits.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

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Emberfire
Emberfire

Interesting. So Orks and Necrons are the only two with no sub-faction?

Flameblow
Flameblow

orks, necrons, and t'au don't have any subraces with them.

StonedTime
StonedTime

what about sucking her toes? just kidding how weird would that be right? haha

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Do people run one 10 girl squad in a rhino or two five girl squads?
Also, does anyone mix and match squads?
Currently I tend to run Swords and Flamers out of the one rhino. generally as a two-fold attack on the same enemy unit. However I'm noticing that squads of five tend to not have much staying power if the dice hate me or I screw up and they get stuck in the open.

While I wait on my extra girls to arrive in the post I was wondering what others thoughts were on this?

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Fluffwise, did the Emperor create the GK because his Custodes got their asses kicked in the Webway?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Promise yourself you'll complete your current stuff before getting any more.

I was doing ok until Malign Portents and I got a Talons of the Emperor box as a gift.

Nojokur
Nojokur

I thought Farsight Enclave is Tau's subfaction.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Nope

Lunatick
Lunatick

farsight enclave is as much a subfaction as the nihilakh dynasty.

Soft_member
Soft_member

How about we make them each others alliance?
Norkrons?

mini not mine

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

People don't run SoS so it's a mystery

takes2long
takes2long

I know this wasn't your point, but how the fuck was GW able to fuck up this badly?
Orks were quite literally one of the original dudes with subfactions. You don't even have to make one for each clan, there's so much potential.
Regular Orks
Freebotaz
Feral Orks
Kult of Speed
Mek Waaagh
Grot Revolutionaries

Also for Tau
Tau
Farsight Enclave
Kroot Mercs
Alien Aux
Bam, you are done. This gives you so much design space to push whatever fucking plastic dollies you come up with.

w8t4u
w8t4u

I wonder if orks have the same genetic hatred for the necrons that eldar do.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

thinking GW cares, or should even care, about NPC ""races""

Techpill
Techpill

I’m kinda sad that the grey knights will be obsolete now. I have never even owned a GK model but still.

Methnerd
Methnerd

user, what are you thinking? subfactions for XENOS?!

how are they going to give us more Primaris™ Adeptus Astartes™ with ALIEN factions?

Snarelure
Snarelure

Run culexus
It is all the three units but cheaper and better

Emberburn
Emberburn

Orks and Imperial Fists are the original protagonists, everyone else is a newfag.

Evilember
Evilember

fuckall to contribute to the setting
implying guilliman, primaris, or cawl would have happened without the eldar

Firespawn
Firespawn

They won't be missed. Matt Ward's bastard children are finally being put out of their misery, rightfully so

DeathDog
DeathDog

imperial fists
posts crimson fists
what did he mean by this?

FastChef
FastChef

Well excuse me for wanting to purge something else than Marines, Stinky Marines, Dusty Marines or Faggy Marines every once in a while.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Meh banana boys is a terrible full terminator army they don't replace GK.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

He meant being tired makes you fuck up and type Imperial when you mean Crimson.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Muh S-Soup?

Booteefool
Booteefool

Grey knights were hijacked by Ward after 4th.
Ultramarines were and still are his bastards.

MPmaster
MPmaster

Can someone define soup, stew, curry, sandwich and etc again?

King_Martha
King_Martha

tau still competitive
every other army shooty as fuck
necrons left in the dirt

happy_sad
happy_sad

I really hope when the new Tau codex comes that Kroot get a surprise Knarloc release.
Who am I kidding they'd just make yet another battlesuit

likme
likme

I hardly agree, they seem better than GK
I'll be watching more batreps with them this week, saw them completely obliterate a semi plaguebearer horde list with Epidemius and the herald type guy who makes them hurt more previously
Eldar up next

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Why do GKs suck so much as a mono army?

TreeEater
TreeEater

Soup is WAACfag army combinations, Curry is fluffy army combinations, sandwich is mono-army
Stew i dunno

SniperWish
SniperWish

Its a close enough substitute

RumChicken
RumChicken

The only none waac combination is Witch Hunters and Deamon Hunters.
The rest is always waac or even worst caac

StonedTime
StonedTime

Yeah and the hijacked version is the one we have
Pre-5th GK are dead & buried, there's only Ward now

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

what about guard with a couple assassins?

eGremlin
eGremlin

You again? Niggsley, please.

JunkTop
JunkTop

Easy access to high AP weapons for everyone.
Inability to capture objectives effectively.
Lack of ability to deal with hordes.
Toys > Boys never, ever works.

whereismyname
whereismyname

thnak you, im working on expanding my collection of typing gifs,

Illusionz
Illusionz

3rd edition is best edition. This is a known fact

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

What's the asthetical difference between regular Custodes model and Warden model, beside the latter's skirt?

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

The helmets are different. As are the shoulders, IIRC.

farquit
farquit

who is this guy?

happy_sad
happy_sad

Robes, helmet is different, their poses are less power squat and more "menacing guardians of stuff"

iluvmen
iluvmen

Oh and their guardian spears are slightly different

likme
likme

daily reminder that the Watchers in the Dark are the Squats

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

4th had a better BRB and a better Marines, Eldar and Tau book.
So I'd say 4th Edition with all publications from 3rd except for those three books and 5th Edition Cityfight + Planetfall is the best.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Man I always thought the knarloc was like
T rex size or bigger, but there really like the size of elephants

SniperGod
SniperGod

custodes are actually 3 squats standing on each others shoulders in power armor

SniperWish
SniperWish

How Custodes are any better? Its the same Mary Sue shit all over again.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

They are probably bigger but old minis always were smaller

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

plausible

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Custodes have been established as mary sues since RT, so it's not unwarranted at least

FastChef
FastChef

They weren't made by Ward

Illusionz
Illusionz

The guys writing Custodes aren't afraid of admitting their limitations as a fighting force, unlike Ward and his Grey "We Are The Bestest Forever Knights who can never do anything wrong ever in any way and also we always win btw lol we're GK also Draigo exists lmao"

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Keep in mind Kroot are tall, but yeah pretty much.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

The Custodes are mary sues but in the same vein that gandalf or superman is, they are but it's just accepted because of who/what they are, I mean there custodians the emperors legion they have to kick fucking ass.

Lunatick
Lunatick

Thanks!

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Example or didn't happen.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

they constantly admit they don't see each other as brothers and admit that the efficiency of the marines is something they can never replicate.

Snarelure
Snarelure

Super unit infantry already exist and no one takes them, much less an entire army of them. If Toads are good where are the Blightlord terminator list.

Skullbone
Skullbone

Example of what, Draigo existing?
Bananas aren't afraid to admit, and GW quotes this all the time, that Marines are like a pack of wolves while the Bananas themselves are Lions. One is a conquering army, the other a pride of guardians. Which is why they're so efficient at their jobs since Emps has been safe on his toilet seat for 10,000 years

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

How do you know he is not behind Custodes now? I wouldnt be surprised.

Flameblow
Flameblow

What're you all working on at the moment anons? I finished modelling my crusaders yesterday, I just need to get hold of a good head for my priest.

SniperGod
SniperGod

He isn't currently employed by GW, for one

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

So beeing edgy loners, makes them less mary sue? Does this make any sense to you?

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Which is kinda funny, as the novels have the Marines admire the efficiency of the SOB (Where the marines are all great warriors, the SOB fighting is more like watching clockwork move with each piece moving perfectly with each other one.). Apparently it's some sort of scale of 'Personal power - Efficiency'

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

d-doesn't count!

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Shouldn't Mordians be the epitome of perfect efficiency?

whereismyname
whereismyname

he doesnt understand the concept of contracting

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Terminators, still.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

u fucking wot?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Deciding which weapons and such to use.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

I've seen terminator heavy lists of DG, and Dark Angels. The Dark Angels one looks pretty decent desu.
I'm just talking from what I've witnessed here, 3 of the bikes killed a GUO in one turn and then these 3 bikes and 9 basic guardians with the +1 attack banner killed a Daemon Prince, Epidemius, and some 60+ buffed Plague Bearers in I think it was about two turns (including the one where they killed the GUO). And thats without Trajann Valoris helping, he didn't join the fight until they had already won
The Custodes player was about to table the other guy when the other guy conceded

King_Martha
King_Martha

Lack of ability to deal with hordes.
They can deepstrike stormbolters. 10 Strikes with psybolt wipes a boyz squad.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

They're more new so faggots like them more atm.

w8t4u
w8t4u

I do, and contracting someone = employing that person.
Ward hasn't written for GW in a good while, he boasts on twitter if he gets hired

Bidwell
Bidwell

if you don't have the right shade of paint, you don't get the rules

hairygrape
hairygrape

He was working with them last year....

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

t. NPC/butthurt GK

Methshot
Methshot

people whining about Mary Sues in a fictional universe where everything is FUCKHUGE and POWER LEVEL 9999999999

Shut the fuck up, if everyone was like an imperial guardsmen the whole setting would be "oh yeah and to please the autistic fans of our settings there was a battle with 100000000 regiments of marines who died within 5 minutes and nothing happened anyway"

Methnerd
Methnerd

With his notoriety, would he really?

GW could even advise him against that.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

set <Chapter> to parent chapter for rules
paint them however the fuck you want
Wew that was hard

Evilember
Evilember

The fluff for it was more or less: Every SOB convent on every single world knows the same prayers and the same stories (In contrast to the Imperium's rather fractured nature) so two SOB from two convents who've never met can still coordinate perfectly with their war hymns. In addition, they can use their knowledge of the hymns to make predictions about the next verse even if communication is spotty and there is just so many of them that unless you grew up from a small child being trained to be a SOB there is no way you could know them all so enemies have issues predicting the next steps in the dance.

It's one of those 'Doesn't make much out of universe sense but makes 40k sense' things. I sorta liked it for explaining all the war hymns beyond just being 'It's religious'.

RavySnake
RavySnake

I bet you're one of those guys bringing catachans in flak armour

WebTool
WebTool

He did in 2016, iirc he was contracted for some counseling for AoS.
He does, and they could

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

How is one guy from Russia making better 40K miniatures than Games Workshop?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

For starters not Mary Sue doesnt mean weak. Secondly, such characters just devalue everything else around them. And most importantly are boring.

JunkTop
JunkTop

"No, I know these look like Howling Griffons, but trust me, they're 100% Ultramarines."

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

In a few years there will be even more super marine marine marines with 4 wound troops. Everyone will slober their knobs and shit on toads.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

He can spend as much time as he wants on a single monopose miniature, where as GW does large batches of multi-part kits and have an actual work schedule

Nojokur
Nojokur

Does this mean there are still new Custodes model coming?

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

ArtelW is more than one person.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

implying anyone going through the trouble to paint Howling Griffons would play them as something else
I get your argument, but it's a stupid example.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Probably just batreps and display pieces
There was that rumour of a transport though, but it isn't in the codex

Lunatick
Lunatick

It takes around 50 plaguebearers to kill one custard, that army is horrible at that match up.

w8t4u
w8t4u

Yeah well there were some vocal retards on here screaming about how a plaguebearer horde is unkillable and will easily wipe Custodes, I thought it was funny seeing the complete opposite where some 900ish points of Bananas killed 1400 points of Daemons in 2 turns.
Like I said, Eldar next so I'll be interested in seeing how they handle that

askme
askme

Seth must take Selfless Valour
can't take BA traits
wew

Inmate
Inmate

It has presence, but it’s nowhere near the LR Punisher/Fleshborer Tyrannofex area and they probably cost just as much.

Flameblow
Flameblow

Has anyone been able to put Land Raider to good use? Or is it still a points sink?

SniperGod
SniperGod

Not even a real company so don’t pay taxes in a country where they don’t pay copyright.

StonedTime
StonedTime

Not really, it still feels like Lascannon bait.

DeathDog
DeathDog

Crons could easily have some subfactions
-dynasties (with some human dudes thrown in)
-bone kingdoms (with lots of flayed one variants of pre-existing units)
-C'tan cults (with lots of c'tans and also pariahs)
bam

hell maybe even full canoptek armies. We know for a fact that they sometimes get out of control.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

The only time I've see one work was against Necrons, because they have almost nothing that can deal with tanks in general. Otherwise, they just aren't worth taking outside of fluffy lists.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Where are the actual minis?

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

How about the banana land raider? It can get -1 to hit with a vexilla.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Its no where near 20x deepstriking Noise Marines with prescience, lord, and cacophony which gets you 117 wound rolls. But strike squads are most efficient anti-horde in the entire loyalist space marine range at 21 points for 4 shots and 2 power melee attacks.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Just got back from LCO, cleaning up desk and models in preparation for the NWO army

right now im thinking of

enginseer
57 Corpuscari electro priests
5 sydonian dragoons piloted by scions
1 more dark talon

to go with my other alra dark talons and cadians

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

This is just some idiocy GW came up with to throw those on the lower power levels a bone. It doesn't make any fucking sense, just because you are individually stronger doesn't mean you are incapable of god-tier cooperation. Quite the opposite.
Marines admiring Sisters for their efficiency, for fuck's sake, I swear to god...

Booteefool
Booteefool

Can I use DKoK models but use other regiments' rule? Because Cadian and Catachan are... old.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

How about the banana land raider? It can get -1 to hit with a vexilla.

Still no. If you really like it, buy one and just play friendly games with it. It's a great model, and still one of my favourite tanks. It's just not competitive.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

alra

already painted, fuck hotkeys

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

I've looked on in horror as a LR Crusader (I think thats what the dakka one is called) wiped 3 units of Deldar per shooting phase with some rerolls
It can work

Soft_member
Soft_member

So no one can ever have an area they surpass marines in, even if it's got nothing to do with areas where marines are actually enhanced?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

a single marine in the history of an elite anti-daemon force is the best at the job
and is completely unable to do anything meaningful
You spergs still screaming about Draigo because he exists are just sad.
Are you the same type that bitches about primarches existing? They are also impossibly strong wanked on mary sues that are so much better than everyone else and can't be beaten by anyone ever :^)
Fuck, if Sanguinious was around, you'd probly have an aneurysm, because Sang was actually the perfect best guy forever by all accounts in the history of the game.

idontknow
idontknow

I don't know, can you use CSM as SM? Scout bikes as marine bikes?
I doubt your opponent will care, so long as you're not one of those retards who thought they could use DKoK rules and units but give them Cadian or Catachan regiment traits

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

They are going to stay bad as long as they continue to cost the same/more as Stormravens. When its 2x-4x the movement, more capacity, can carry a dread as well and it can't be shut down by melee its just a no brainer.

hairygrape
hairygrape

I think that's so Crimson Fists and Black Templars can't be Imperial Fists?

I'm giving my Lamenters some Blood Angels traits.

Techpill
Techpill

the absolute state of marine-fags

TreeEater
TreeEater

Marines admiring Sisters for their efficiency
In military operations, efficiency and strength of cooperation is absolutely vital, and is what allows a weaker force to defeat a much more powerful one.
See the Rif War/Toyota War, where smaller, weaker groups defeated what should have been overwhelming odds.

Skullbone
Skullbone

I just asked him to clarify what he wanted examples on since he was vague, I don't know what you're sperging out for buddy.

Emberfire
Emberfire

mfw Vietnam

RavySnake
RavySnake

I tire of faggots going herp derp Draigo when the entire point of the character is that the mightiest single warrior the GKs have ever produced is entirely useless.
People are mad that there is a single human who can stand up to Chaos on it's terms, and it's so silly, it grates me. There are better things to bitch about, like Sisters being sidelined utterly.

RumChicken
RumChicken

That is exactly why he is dead. And thats why he is interesting rather than cringy.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Griffons are Ultra successors, though.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Presumably Admech is the next one down, since they're pretty much the most coordinated army in the lore but their basic lasgun chumps are pretty useless. When you piss them off and they drop a few thousand Skitarii on your head, that's when they go from "quirky annoying priests" to "Ohfuckohfuckohfuck there's Grammaton Clerics in Terminator bodies chasing me".

I wonder if there's some tech-Sisters somewhere who cheat with Canticles, because it seems like a good Magos Logis would have happy fun times dissecting that strategy.

Still, pretty cool idea.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

People are mad that there is a single human who can stand up to Chaos on it's terms, and it's so silly, it grates me.

Honestly, there is like 2-3 at this point. The main character of Daemonfuge having the truename of Slannesh themself (At the cost of the lives of an entire order to obtain) is one of those 'Holy shit, chaos could actually lose' things that...got completely forgotten and ignored in later stuff.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Pointed as a flaw by everyone in the lore and may prevent them from utterly crushing some enemies
So yes

I would add that some Custodes are depicted as arrogant, insufferable, sociopathic bastards when others are kind of nice and comprehensive. They can range from benevolent crusading knights to grim, heartless executioners. They can show tactical acumen or inadequate hyper-agressive behaviour after 10k years of confinement. They can be awe-inspiring charismatic leaders or inconfident brooding figures berating themselves for their past failure.

Seriously, there are plenty of ways to portay Custodes as impossibly powerful and potent but flawed characters.

whereismyname
whereismyname

even if it's got nothing to do with areas where marines are actually enhanced?
So how the fuck do you think do you accomplish cooperation? Maybe training together? The thing that Marines do for hundreds of years on end? Being a highly mobile, highly organized, highly efficient special force is the entire shtick of Space Marines. Unless you are a Space Marine+1 or some inhuman force, you don't get to outdo Space Marines at Space Marineing. Grey Knights, Custodes, fine. An eldar Warhost that has been doing this for Millenia, sure. Synaptically synchronized Tyranids or a Necron Force linked and tried in thousands of years of battle, absolutely.
Sisters, fuck no.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Bikes and wardens. Only terminators and characters have been released yet.

youtube.com/watch?v=JUuRGRcY9O0

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

What are the odds that gauss will get a special rule vs vehicles?

I really feel like this will fix the state of Necrons.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Vietnam doesn't count. The Vietnamese simply held out until the US gave up the ghost, like the Mujahadeen against the Soviets.
On the ground, they were getting stomped, rebels beat Quaddafi's tanks with toyota trucks.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Any banana batreps yet?

askme
askme

Or that little blurb about Slannesh meandering around the galaxy in flesh clothes.
Because people swallow the koolaid about Chaos being utterly unbeatable and undeniable at all times, no vaseline, then people find out that is not the case and lose their shit.

likme
likme

Sodding split thread nonsense.
So nearly all the parts for my slightly redone Dominus are ready. Back-mounted Volkite Blaster, maintenance claw and Heavy Taser Goad to replace the axe, although I've got to put that back together since the top half broke off. Lining up a fork, three sticks from Mindscanner Probes and the axe body is a pain if you want a straight staff, but I had no big swords or anything to mount on there.
Also trying to decide whether to greenstuff his hand so it's no longer in an "asking polite question" pose.

Does it look OK, or should I go with a Darth Maul double-ended or long-handled Power Sword/regular Taser Goad instead?

Space Marines are "small squad tactics: the army" though. Specialise in strategy or regimental combat doctrine or generally bigger units and I can easily see mortals outstrategising Space Marines, they're not mentally enhanced geniuses, they're just good fighters. Guard Lord Generals tend to live for a couple hundred years from Juvenats, and if that's not good enough ask the AdMech to have an entire warzone sing targeting protocols in unison with the workers back at the factories making them more bullets.

Hell, slap a cogitator in the right part of your skull and boom, better at fast battlefield analysis than your average Marine because they've still got human minds.

hairygrape
hairygrape

BoLS is streaming banana batreps all week I think

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Yeah I don't know, this thread was entirely abandoned and the other one was the one in use but now for some reason retards decided to switch threads

WebTool
WebTool

has no molds
cannot be posed
no physical model exists
untested, does not know if the detail is feasible
has not even considered how it would fit a sprue

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

I think it is an order of scale.
Marines commonly work in squads, and those squads directed by the force commander.
Sisters probably operate well on the scale of hundreds without requiring direct leadership, something marines do not train to do.
Just say the passion of the Emperor guides them.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

So, after playing DoW3, i was thinking.

Would a C'tan shard have worked way better, instead of the same old khornate daemon?

I mean, that prison is already full of weird Necon/Old Ones-ish architecture, psychological terror and young race manipulation is already a very Star God thing to do, and given recent media depiction of Deceiver Shards(Battlefleet Gothic and Sons of the Hydra) making humans do their work for them, it would have hinted at creeping shattered C'tan involvement across the galaxy.

It's not like you'd need many modifications either.

Replace the daemon model, make doppelgangers green, and switch bloodletters with something else.

Even Macha's memes about "BANE OF MY KIN, YOU SHALL NOT DEFEAT US" and all that would have worked way better while stabbing that shard to death.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Yesh okay buddy

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Gauss does mortal wound on 6+

whereismyname
whereismyname

You know the plastic Custodes all filling an identical battlefield role besides "bikes are faster and have more Bolter shots" has really put a dampener on my enthusiasm to collect them. FW please step in with rules for your models quickly!

Nojokur
Nojokur

Fuck that, nope nope.
Do you want the only build to be warrior spam? Thats how you get even more warrior spam

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

So I've been including fallen with plasma guns with my guard for reliable overchaging vs primaris and termies but my opponent last weekend said that it means I lose my regimental doctrines because Fallen only let you keep legion traits. I looked in the codex and to be fair on him it does only say legion traits in the blurb. Is there an FAQ that addresses this? I can't see anything about it but maybe I'm blind

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

I honestly hate the change to the Cadre Fireblade’s volleyfire this edition so much. It feels entirely less fitting to the nature of tau as well as being way more situational

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Finished my DP of Khorne a few days ago. Dunno what to tackle next. I have a commission for a kickstarter Dark Elf bloodbowl team complete with extras coming in soon so don't want to start something yooge. Maybe my bikerlord or a termie lord.

Booteefool
Booteefool

Farsight to Tau is somewhere between Salamanders and Blood Angels to Space Marines.

For the most part, they are just a vanilla T'au subfaction, with unique relics, formerly unique formations/detachments, and probably unique stratagems in 8th.

In previous editions, listbuilding a Farsight army had certain unit restrictions, and Crisis Suits could be taken as Troops instead of Elites, in more recent editions the restrictions have been lifted.

Although Farsight has had his own supplements in the past, there's really not enough unique content in 8th to really justify a separate codex. Less unique content than Blood Angels or Dark Angels, anyway. Doesn't mean he won't get one, though.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

he doesn't remember old school flying circus

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

not if you make the 6+ mw units very expensive like the tau ones :^ )

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

khornate symbols on the wings
oh there's just six? Missed opportu--..
there's two more on the underside
Sneaky git

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Don't overrate mortal wounds, but yeah retards would just max out gauss then.

The problem is ultimately that Gauss used to function by stripping hull points off on a small chance, when hull points were only 3 or 4. Now big shit has huge wound stockpiles, so doing 3 or 4 damage does Jack shit.

Gauss needs to do bonus wounds on a 6+. I'd have said double, but that might make Heavy Destroyers too powerful.

askme
askme

Oh yeah, and would have tied nicely to Czevak's quotes, and the end credit pic(would have also made everything too on the nose, but eh)

Bidwell
Bidwell

there's fucking third party space marines bro, get off your rocker it ain't about being neglected

Inmate
Inmate

Yeah, I get the feeling the Admech also lose a bit in initiative (In the general sense of the term, rather than the stat). If they've got leadership, they are fantastic but they likely have issues when they've got nothing to work with

I wonder if there's some tech-Sisters somewhere who cheat with Canticles, because it seems like a good Magos Logis would have happy fun times dissecting that strategy.

Honestly, that would be a fun thing if they ever actually did some more stuff like how Infinity has it's subfactions (With some of them getting to pick up a few units from other factions) rather than general soup stuff. Stuff like:

Unity in Faith (For Mechanicus guys who are actually 100% behind 'The emperor was the incarnation of the omnisiah' thing).
Can take SOB and Cult Mechanicus Vehicles
Can take SOB and Cult Mechanicus (But not general ecclessiarchy and skittari) infantry
Electropriests/Techpriests gain access to Acts of Faith and may repair SOB vehicles as if they were mechanicus vehicles.

I think the important thing would be making sure you don't end up with redundant theme lists (This has nothing but anti-tank units from each!) or just being 'The best units from each army'.

Techpill
Techpill

Mortal wounds VEHICLE KEYWORD on 6s.
Scarabs same thing.
Deathstrike mortal wound on 5+.
Lynchguard shields reflect back a mortal wound, keep 4++.
General point reductions
Necrons fixed

WebTool
WebTool

I played Wood Elves in fantasy, doing mortal wounds like that is basically a better version of the elves' poison arrow spam, since MW bypass saves unlike the arrows and poison arrow spam worked very, very well. Against big things and small things

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Do you want the only build to be warrior spam?

At least we would have a viable list then.....

eGremlin
eGremlin

Mortal wounds VEHICLE KEYWORD on 6s.
Scarabs same thing.
Deathstrike mortal wound on 5+.
Lynchguard shields reflect back a mortal wound, keep 4++.
General point reductions
Necrons fixed

Love it, but there is no way in hell they are going to give us that.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Also immortals gain one wound; total model cost is 20 points

whereismyname
whereismyname

Deathstrike mortal wound on 5+.
deathmarks need more bang than that. give them AP-2 nativly

Supergrass
Supergrass

Anti VEHICLE keyword rule
Monsters laugh and run roughshod over the skellies

Yeah fuck off, vehicle isn't a unit category anymore in terms of tactical role, and pretending otherwise is just bad rule design.

We need armies to have anti-big shit weaponry now. A Melta don't discriminate, it'll blow up a Carnifex just as easily as a dread.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Hah, thanks! Putting in details like that is half the fun of the hobby for me.

Lunatick
Lunatick

I think I have enough parts in my bits box to build 1 more tau drone
what kind of drone should I build? doesn't have to be one of the official ones, you can always make one up

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Jesus man they already get:
Deep strike
in your opponents turn! Cab shoot immediately then as well
rapid fire sniper rifle
Giving them -2 AP as well is crazy. A 5+ mortal wound represents meta science technology well.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

To be fair, the company that does the warp spiders look fucking amazing.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Different dude here. I was basically gonna do this already but with tanks and servitors backing up the troop core of sisters.

King_Martha
King_Martha

For one, you fucking heretic better be prepare to get fisted by deathwing
Regarding your question however, as long as they are not in the same detatchment they gain their doctrine/legion trait. If you mix units in one both lose their stuff

girlDog
girlDog

tfw hunting down monsters with skink skirmishers
Warmblooded fucking shits

viagrandad
viagrandad

Most 'Kill big creatures' refers to both vehicles and monsters rather than just one of them. Especially since walkers stopped existing.

cum2soon
cum2soon

haywire grenades should scramble carnifex computers as well as they should a lemon russ computer.
carnifex computers

w8t4u
w8t4u

Exactly, so having a rule trigger on the VEHICLE tag and leave monsters unaccounted for is shitty.

likme
likme

No, it just means your tradition, not as good necron anti tank; heavy Gauss cannon, the crystal thing from monolith, doom rays; are now your anti monster. Your ground pounders wear down vehicles. This is called balance

hairygrape
hairygrape

Sure thing bud

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Could be circumvented by having it work if the target model's wound characteristic is large enough

Methshot
Methshot

Guys, I figured out what Riptides are good for this edition. Run a HBC with an ATS and do nothing but bully your local Sisters player’s infantry.

Skullbone
Skullbone

Honestly, Haywire grenades not doing shit to Crisis Suits or Necrons is the odd one. Crisis suits must be sitting right under the 'You must be this tall for EMP' bar.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

be long time sisters player
never bought multimeltas because they were never needed
they're not terrible now
want to get 4 to finish out my set of weapons
$56 for 4 models
cant do recast because rest of army is metal
mfw

WebTool
WebTool

deathmarks need more bang than that. give them AP-2 nativly

I want buffs too, but that is a little overboard. Maybe -1, but that would probably still make them too good.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

An army that is shit at killing big stuff gains an advantage against half the big stuff but has to keep struggling on the other half, split arbitrarily based on whether the big stuff is organic in the fluff or not
This is balance

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

you must be this tall for EMP bar
is it the same high needed for bs 3+?

StonedTime
StonedTime

Nice discussion, SM are Mary Sue trash. More importantly how does one get Mucolid Spores without buying kits nobody cares about just for one spore, buying Forge World incorrect models that are the wrong scale and lack presence, or using putty and ping ping balls? How do I China them? Haven't seen info on this in a while and if nothing else, GW deserves no money for them because they're pulling this shit. Tyranid players get what I mean.

TechHater
TechHater

Apparently so.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Electropriests/Techpriests gain access to Acts of Faith

Oh dear god that would be awesome. It would obviously stop FW dogmas being a thing, but triple-tapping Kastelans or Corpuscarii forming a solid wall of 140 S5 hits in front of the gunline would be badass.

In lore terms the Admech commanders are scattered all over and tucked in bunkers, but since GW has labelled us as one of the boring expendable factions that never win onscreen every battle starts with "and then the Admech lost their leadership/got taken by surprise" despite robot reflexes and autocogitators/transmitters in every unit making that a little far-fetched. Still, I think that's mostly because if we were ever allowed to actually bring our big guns to bear they couldn't justify a Space Marine win against thousands of guns and dozens of expendable tanks. The Skitarius book is about right, it takes a whole DarkMech Forge World and an Iron Warriors fleet to stalemate a proper Admech battlegroup.

Counts-as Sisters would be an excellent representation of the "heavier" Skitarii in Titanicus and the Admech Classiarii naval marines, since they have the same stats with a better save and special weapons. Hand out flamers, model them with rad-cleansers if you can get any, combine Skitarii and Solar Auxilia parts for robed heavy armour suits firing esoteric guns. Could be fun.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Carnifex computers

Those are called brains user. Pretty sure even a Carnifex out of synapse range woulda known that.

Illusionz
Illusionz

hide weights in their bases
And I would've gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddling kids

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Swallow your idiot pride and just go for the "wrong" forge world spores.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

But how did you deal with Flyrants beforehand?

Soft_member
Soft_member

Those were the days
tfw store still ran WHFB for a while after it was squatted but now its just MTG and heroclix

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Make them yourself and learn to sculpt better in the process.
Few things are more inspiring than a converted Nid army with liberal use of GS.

cum2soon
cum2soon

railgun drone

massdebater
massdebater

Try to find a WHFB club. We exist, there's plenty of us still playing Oldhammer, 6th Edition, 8th Edition or even KoW with Warhammer stuff.

idontknow
idontknow

Breacher Drone

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

No, it just means your tradition, not as good necron anti tank; heavy Gauss cannon, the crystal thing from monolith, doom rays; are now your anti monster. Your ground pounders wear down vehicles. This is called balance

Is this the same balance that got Necrons to where they are now? Because if it is, I think we could do without that.

Methshot
Methshot

Kroot drone

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Super glue coins to the bottom of your bases. If you’re a eurofag, 5c coins fit nicely.

Emberburn
Emberburn

posting Guard equivalent of Skitarii
best

Why not superior Warhawks?

Firespawn
Firespawn

Conversely, you get the Scourge effect:
I could take a haywire blaster and dump a mortal wound on a 4+ or I could take this S8 -4AP Dd3 gun instead

Flameblow
Flameblow

guard
getting updated

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

tfw

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Keep your sci-fi out of my grimdark.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

But MM are overpriced garbage. HB are the most efficient Ret loadout in every situation even at tank hunting due to the point cost

whereismyname
whereismyname

Exorcists, immolators, Avenger Strike Fighter, ect

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Why are Khorne soup and Slaanesh soup so bad? What went so wrong?

Lunatick
Lunatick

Give gauss mortal woubd everuthing, all you see is the same warrior blobs. But if you want that same shit just give Gauss -4 on a 6 to wound.
But the point should be diversity, not fucking spam.
Alternatively, give teasla mortal wounds versus NOT vehicles.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

emp pulses scrape shieldedcarnifex brains but not guardsmen brains.

Booteefool
Booteefool

How will Custodes handle Stormravens/aeldari flyers? Assuming hurricane bolters are too good on the jetbikes to replace.

King_Martha
King_Martha

They charge them with the bikes, user

Spamalot
Spamalot

What's so scary about shield captains on banana jetbikes? They're S6...

takes2long
takes2long

Anything but Retribution with MM.
Usually Immolators and Exorcist. Avenger if you feel fancy

Immolator had 1/3 to hit flying crap anyway

askme
askme

Nah, the Sisters of the Holy Watt just ally frequently with AdMech and use a lot of their equipment. I'm grabbing Grishnak squads.

hairygrape
hairygrape

I am aware they're overpriced mostly because MMs got the shit end of the stick this edition (Twin-weapons got 2 shots, but the MM can't be fired as a twin melta). However, they still have their uses in that I need fewer actual models. Plus, I only have the 4 heavy bolters.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Warhawks? They're literally Elysians with jump packs.

Emberburn
Emberburn

That is enough HB use your mandatory Canoness for those re-rolls

Emberfire
Emberfire

Reroll all wound rolls when charging, ability to charge out of phase, dakka

WebTool
WebTool

even at tank hunting
A MM does about 5x the damage of a HB vs vehicles the ppw isn't even close.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Tau were an obnoxious joke
Now are a sad joke
I’ve never felt more like an npc, and I was a nid player for years and years

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

What happened to Luther you guys?
He was so loyal

eGremlin
eGremlin

40k beginner here changing my list after my first game

Would it be better to have a 10 man wulfen squad; or a 5 man wulfen squad and a 3 man thunderwolf calvary squad?

The Wulfen (armed with hammers and stormshields) were my stand out unit last game.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

He got tired of being the Top all the time so he said "No more!"

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

How many is too many?

whereismyname
whereismyname

Garbage! What fucking tank will be within range of a infantry base meltagun.
Just run Seraphims and Dominions.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

TW cav sucks atm and Wulfen are one of the best units the game.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

1

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

less than 75 points per melta.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

You should DESTROY whoever told you to play SW as a newbie. Just wreck him. Shit on his minis.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

He's talking about 24" multimeltas.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

I'd rather have some fast troubleshooters, but both are fair choices.
That said, 2 squads of 5 wulven is superior to one squad of ten for the time being.

5mileys
5mileys

ah fair enough, looks like I'm going to have to invest in Cypher. It's annoying because the Chaos books specifically says you can include them in "a detachment" without losing the Legion traits

actually I guess a company commander or commissar will do, it's not like they benefit from the Tallarn doctrine anyway

askme
askme

MM could be range 360” and they’ll still be garbe with 1 shot, that cost and being heavy

iluvmen
iluvmen

Charging out of phase is irrelevant, it costs three command points.

That said, super speedy and durable guy with wound rerolls and a half tac squad of firepower as an afterthought.

hairygrape
hairygrape

Custoads desperately need anti tank tho

Methshot
Methshot

suggests bluff to cover weakness
ISN'T THAT WHAT WE HAVE NOW
Obviously not you fucking mong

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

How to fix Grey Knights as a mono army:

all HQ units can declare enemy units as daemons
enemy units now have daemon as keyword

Emberfire
Emberfire

This has what exactly to do with your retardedly false statement that hbolters are more efficient vs tanks?

Flameblow
Flameblow

They'll get it when they get their dreads with a Gattling lascannon arm.

RavySnake
RavySnake

Thanks guys, 10 man Wulfen it is then.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Exaggeration to show how trash and garbage MM are

DeathDog
DeathDog

Is it fluffy to run Catachans with three basilisks?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Have some OC I made, a Son of Malice.

FastChef
FastChef

WITNESS ME, BLOOD-BAG!

JunkTop
JunkTop

A big problem with balancing Custodes is the existence of allies.

See, if they were a pure army in a vacuum, they should be very slightly undercosted to balance their low numbers out, otherwise the low model count adds up too much and you have no tactical options.

But if you undercost them and allies are a thing, it becomes overpowered to add discounted Custodes as heavy bruisers to a mixed army.

Booteefool
Booteefool

Yes, just throw a camo canvas over it.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

What's a mono-banana list that'll do well in a casual competitive setting?

happy_sad
happy_sad

if i place a bunch of bushes on the table, would you let it count as a catachan army?

massdebater
massdebater

As long as it’s WYSIWYG, sure.

Inmate
Inmate

Find a transporter than can deepstrike

Put your whole army into transporters that do this

Play this song: youtube.com/watch?v=atKUCxXanXA

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

I do? Doesn't change the fact that I still want the MM models. Plus, my my camnonesses have been moving forward more thanks to CA. The Sword of Admonition is a monster and cheap evicerators are love.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

As does the Imperial Guard.
Scions taurox and the new commissar might not be to everyones liking, but its new IG stuff

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Axe custodes are S8 -2ap Dd3 with 5 attacks, though.

Methnerd
Methnerd

escorting survivors flashbacks

Skullbone
Skullbone

Well you usually end with 2 Canoness regardless
And the 1s re-roll is rather wasted in the church melee

SniperGod
SniperGod

Still requires them to close the gap with enemy flyers.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

You're still an obnoxious joke.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

What a shitty way to sell the same model except with a sash and axe.

RumChicken
RumChicken

Isn't deliberately undercosting Custodes to balance their shitty model count how we ended up with 30k Custodes dominating the meta?

TechHater
TechHater

They are undercosted, they're better than Paladins, BL Termies, Wraithblades, Mutilators, and DW Knights.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

WYSIWYG
:^ )

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

why would they have basilisks... they fight in congested jungle, so indirect weaponry would be highly useful.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Yeah, their relatively low damage per swing and inability to have enhanced movement when most vehicles are pretty fast is an issue though.

Anti tank should be ranged or at least able to catch vehicles like scarabs used to be able to.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Isn't deliberately undercosting Custodes to balance their shitty model count how we ended up with 30k Custodes dominating the meta?

Exactly. But it's a great way to sell models. GW knows this.

5mileys
5mileys

I have a bad feeling about this. Is it going to happen in 40k now?

iluvmen
iluvmen

The only thing that dominates the meta with Custodes is their vehicles and the shield tribune, not their infantry or jetbikes.

Techpill
Techpill

Embrace it. You know it's coming....

RumChicken
RumChicken

I actually wanted to do that!
I'm bad at english but I'm sure you meant something like "works for me".

StonedTime
StonedTime

I find it funny how everyone has different units they cite as OP when talking about 30k bananas

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

I love me some SoM. I honestly regret going night lords a little after seeing shit like pic related.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Fellas. I need to procure chaos spawn, but the kit is too ugly. What to do?

TechHater
TechHater

tf is that land raider custoads strategem? Does GW actually think people will bring two land raiders?

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

DW knights
3 flat damage, 3++
vs d3 damage 4++

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

You realize that they are actually taking pre-orders for it and this 3d model is just a prototype, right? They are the same guys that make Angelos, Cain, Eisenhorn and other models.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Yes, because everyone complains about spearstodes, their terminators, the saggitarum.
The big offenders are their grav vehicles, custom dreads, and elite/HQ with shields. Even the dreads are alright if you don't spam 2+ of them.
And who is everyone? 30kg complains about those specific units repeatedly.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Use renegade Ogryn.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Is doombolt a good way to cripple a flyer or enemy tranport, or is it just weaker unreliable smite ?

MPmaster
MPmaster

2+ is considered spam

viagrandad
viagrandad

How will custoads fare against smash bros?

w8t4u
w8t4u

Yes, as in 1 is alright, more than 1 starts being a problem. You know how expensive those dreads are, right?

idontknow
idontknow

Make a small mound of greenstuff. Attach some bitz you like. Stretch greenstuff out to contort, twist, turn things into tentacles and grasping limbs.

hairygrape
hairygrape

I've only played one game with my Custodes in 30k somewhere back around July or so, was mostly collecting them for the models.

If I had to pick a broken unit that carried the game for me, it's the bikes. Three of them killed 40 tac marines in two turns.

The infantry were nasty but slow, and my tanks and dreads were pretty good too but I don't think woulda made for such an overpowering experience if it wasn't for those bikes doing so much heavy lifting.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

360 each for the "ooh look a tank" version iirc

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

even after seeing all their rules, costs and stratagems he thinks custodes will be anything but pure trash
I can't wait for the codex to be out for a couple weeks and the tears of retards that bought into the hype start pouring in like it was with GKs.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

he's talking shit about the custode dreads
Naw, mate, you've played your hand.
Another day.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

I somehow doubt its going to be less ugly than actual spawn kit

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

61

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Fucking hell it's actually pretty decent. Well done.

King_Martha
King_Martha

They average the same damage to a Russ and more against anything t6 or less, have an extra wound and toughness on top. Add a vexilla they get way ahead. Plus they can take shields anyway.

Spamalot
Spamalot

Aquiloi are okay if you don't throw them at the wrong target. They aren't as good as the Hetaeroi but I wouldn't call them shit.

Sagittarum are the very definition of "useless unit" though.

Soft_member
Soft_member

If my CSM have the BP/CS arms but a bolter on the hip, would anyone object to them being used as having a bolter or Chainsword without having to disassemble my shit since GW refuses to acknowledge that CSM used to be able to take bolter, pistol, and Chainsword?

farquit
farquit

What? I'm just saying how much they cost on the TT

takes2long
takes2long

Is it really 21 euro for ONE? Or am I seeing it wrong.

askme
askme

He hasn't yet. Here's his Fischig mini tho which is very similar..

iluvmen
iluvmen

For you, dude. Well done.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

yes sorry I meant "why wouldn't they" have them. they probably have a lot of indirect artillery regiments to use as firebases.

hairygrape
hairygrape

go third party

Techpill
Techpill

but... it says right here you can

SniperGod
SniperGod

Use the large ghoul kit. Can't remember the name of it.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

I think they'll suck competitively but I dislike how they encourage an army build that certain comps will be completely unable to handle. Orks for instance would get chewed through like dogshit since they rely on worthless s4 ap0 spam.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

11 each for me, hombre.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

that's not a warlord trait though

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic


That's for tactics user, not WL traits

whereismyname
whereismyname

jesus christ people get paid for this shit

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Currently building word Bearers and world eaters berserkers from the MK3 BoP kit and some bits I picked up. Finally doing my dream custom dudes warband

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

I keep forgetting to get some of these dudes for my IG. How many do people usually run?

King_Martha
King_Martha

Chapter tactics
Warlord traits
Reading comprehension

cum2soon
cum2soon

Probably not, who runs chainsword CSM anyway.

Techpill
Techpill

depends what you're going for, spawn are pretty much GW saying "go convert something fluffy"

What legion are you playing?

RavySnake
RavySnake

Thousand Sons.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

How will you fight Magnus and Mortarion as custodes?

DeathDog
DeathDog

It's just for Black Templars and Crimson Fists you silly fuck

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

blood angels initiates make a trek along a radiated desert
mysteriously mutate

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

underrated

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

New models sound terrible

Booteefool
Booteefool

Eh, they're not terrible, actually. Getting double the attacks is noticeable in combat, but I'm the kind of loser who sends in a squad of 10 in a rhino.

Inmate
Inmate

I use pic related
I play Thousand Sons, can you guess the fluff behind my choice?

Playboyize
Playboyize

how about something like the Morghasts from AoS, or the Spirit hosts?

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

If you charge your essentially doubling your damage output and halving theirs, sounds like a good idea.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

space wolves faggotry gone sexual

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

I saw a lot of people use that yeah. I am Looking for something fleshy.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

vagoo disappears but tits stay

FastChef
FastChef

when Tzeentch is a better sex god than Slaanesh

Slaaneshtards on suicide watch

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Lol.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

With Tzeentchian magic to grease the wheels, but yes.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

I mean that should have been obvious, changing things up is a lot better for a fun sex life than doing something excessively.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Magnus will wreck custoads, won't he?

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Could look up some Tomb Kings models.

King_Martha
King_Martha

Based on the battle report the bikes seemed to do a number on him, but he did really well vs all the infantry.

likme
likme

There isn't a thing out there that Magnus doesn't, bad example.
Yeah two of the bikes did 14 unsaved wounds onto Magnus on stream

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Can you run Custodes Termies in a unit of two? I want to buy a box of bikes, termies and guards but I don't know how to assemble the HQ

Flameblow
Flameblow

custodes barely lost against their worst matchup
custodes player was a dribbling idiot

So are the broken?

SniperWish
SniperWish

could maybe kitbash it with a spawn box?
the AoS undead have quite a few options. The Cockatrice looks pretty neat if a bit tidy for spawn, but if you only have one it'd be cool.

StonedTime
StonedTime

In one charge, I should add
All the units have a squad size of 3-10
So you have to buy two boxes if you want to get a Shield Captain and use the unit

DeathDog
DeathDog

the way i understand it is minimum unit size for bikes termies elites and regular dudes is all 3 models. so if you make a shield captain out of the termies or bikes (i am) then you have to have a second box of the bikes and termies.

happy_sad
happy_sad

That sounds like a great idea! Thanks!

cum2soon
cum2soon

Yeah, I was having a bit of trouble with this too.

Terminators I can kind of see thanks to inherent deep strike, but wardens and guard are barely distinguishable.

Wardens are a little bit more durable, and get an extra attack with a better combat weapon. Guard are marginally cheaper, and have access to a 3++ to make them... a bit more durable? Paying 10 points to make one of the most elite units in the game even more elite is just a weird decision and I'm not sure what the point was.

iluvmen
iluvmen

Seems like it

idontknow
idontknow

that one smutfic where a TS Sorcerer turns a Space Wolf prisoner into an aroused furry wolf girl and have her fuck her former squad mates

Playboyize
Playboyize

Oh, that's bad. I can't afford to get another box for now so I will make a HQ out of the guard model then

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Link?

RavySnake
RavySnake

How so?

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Shoot gun and charge 3 attacks.
Shoot pistol and charge still 3 attacks.
Want to charge all the time, have to spend 10 extra points for a khorne banner.
3 extra points for a berzerker anyway.
SM already have a problem justifying tacticals, in csm with cultist and cult troops its damn near impossible.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Is there anywhere that sells resin bits for Tau that sell the old cyclic ion blaster mold?

The old one looks so fucking rad compared to the new one, and it's hard enough to find the metal ones these days to begin with. I'd rather not recast my own if I don't have to, but I'm starting to think that's the only option.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

On a 6 to wound, gauss weapons do damage D3?

Might still be too good as they'll already be wounding big stuff on sixes.

whereismyname
whereismyname

So what is confirmed to be buffed in the thousand sons codex?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Tzaangor pussy

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

bring this waac

5mileys
5mileys

Whats the current tier list?

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

God Tier
Soup

Shit Tier
The rest

DeathDog
DeathDog

Tzaangor cloaca
ftfy

Do male Taangors always have penis' or do they only grow during mating season then drop off like ducks?

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

You're right about that.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

That was sarcasm, tau player is upset he keeps getting new shit but it's not the new shit he wants.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

-High tier-
Guilliman Bomb Space Marines
Ynnari dark reaper spam
Chaos Soup
ROLC Guard soup
Tyranids

-Mid Tier-
Admech Beep Boops
Death Guard pox walker spam
Mono eldar
Non-ROLC guard

-Fun Tier-
Almost everyting else

- shit tier-
Grey Knights
Necrons
T''''au

-Dumpster fire-
Deathwatch

King_Martha
King_Martha

Will tzaangor skyfires be any good?

viagrandad
viagrandad

The latter involves more change, so probably that.
Not to mention the whole labyrinthine duck vagina feels pretty Tzeentchy ba dum-tss.

takes2long
takes2long

I'm okay with Warders just being more elite custodian guard but like, so are terminators! They lack any genuine durability enhancement to make them feel like terminators.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

If you had a bolter and a chainsword it would be 4 attacks. And again if you charge a shooty line they just lost 2 attacks.

hairygrape
hairygrape

High Tier
Ynnari dark reaper spam
Still? Good lord.

Skullbone
Skullbone

Wait for the march nerfhammer to come through and gut dark reapers, making ynnari effectively dumpster fire tier again

RavySnake
RavySnake

You know I'm cool with the only reliable way to kill characters being killing things that are between you and the character first, but it does make sniper and assassin units feel pretty useless.

WebTool
WebTool

Sadly.
Don't want my reapers getting over nerfed. They need to nerf soup, nerfing dark reapers won't fix them that will just make everyone who doesnt use ynari fucked.

JunkTop
JunkTop

Huh, I'd have expected Allarus to come with 4++ instead of 5++, they do have an extra would though I think.

Nojokur
Nojokur

trying to envision a Tzaangor's spiny corkscrew appendage having to twist through non-euclidean planes to inseminate his waifu. Answering riddles from her inner sphinx

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

this fucking close to just dropping $500 for a custard army

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Do it! Join the golden ones!

Inmate
Inmate

mild point increase on dark reapers
max ~25% increase
change ynnari rule to include "if your army contains a ynnari detachment, all subsequent detachment are also considered ynnari"
this kills the soup player

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

So remind me, why is it exactly that we need Slaanesh?

Snarelure
Snarelure

They have an extra wound, but that doesn't really feel very terminator. Guess they were just scared to give a unit a 3++ without a storm shield?

Also bikes have an extra wound and are T6.

WebTool
WebTool

Boltgun marines can switch to their pistol in melee, and chainsword csm can't take a boltgun as well. Its advantaged in melee but not worth giving up the boltgun.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

I feel like Tzeentch and Slaanesh would mostly be bros, the otaku and the pervlord.

Meanwhile Nurgle and Khorne are bulkman and buffman, the jock chaos gods.

Illusionz
Illusionz

gotta get them in the mood somehow

don't they get +1 to their invulns anyway if you have a pure custard detachment?

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

How much bling should a Captain have?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

When your Custodes cut through the Tyranids like butter.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Has GW even answered why CSM can't take both besides pic related yet?

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

No, ynnari isn't top, alaitoc spam stacking is.

cum2soon
cum2soon

All of it
500 burgers? Just what all does that include

askme
askme

Both Nurgle and Khorne are related to Slaanesh's purview. Tzeentch is entirely outside of it.

massdebater
massdebater

Then people just switch to concealed Alaitoc reapers

Techpill
Techpill

They're not as smart as and have worse balance than space wolves.

Skullbone
Skullbone

Vostroyans? They're literally Valhallans with admech ties

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Anyone know how many termie helmets come in the vanilla termie box? I've got the SC! box but I want all my marines helmeted and the captain in there doesn't come with one.

DeathDog
DeathDog

Khorne is Slaanesh's opposite, and Nurgle isn't very decadence compatible. Tzeentch is definitely the closest to Slaanesh's purview out of the other three.

eGremlin
eGremlin

Scarabs get 4++ IIRC, they get their own discipline plus CSM one plus Tzeentch one for Magnus and DPs, faction trait gives them +6" range to powers, Aspiring and Scarab sorcerers no longer constrained to shit smite, usual smattering of stratagems, relics and whatnot. Tzaangors can fight twice for 2CP (unlike every similar strat costing 3CP), and there's a funny one that lets you turn one of your sorcerers into a Chaos Spawn for some reason.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

I think it comes with 6? You can always convert a cool custom helmet from regular marine ones

whereismyname
whereismyname

Soup > NPCs

Supergrass
Supergrass

Well, I was going to go with Greek hero names for my Custodes, but I think I have a new shield captain.

Spamalot
Spamalot

because dicks

It's a shame because Despoiler squads would be kind of fluffy and make boggo CSM more worth taking

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Codex Ultramarines when? They will be an overpowered mono army, but at least Gulliman gets nerfed and his shit only applies to UM members.

farquit
farquit

They get +1 up to a maximum of 3++, yes
What he's saying is that he expected them to be 4++(buffed into 3++) instead of 5++(buffed into 4++)

w8t4u
w8t4u

But with that money I could get all the forgeworld goodness for 3 of my other armies
500leafs would get me 2 of each kit plus codex and cards, which is more than enough

askme
askme

They're never gonna put restrictions on detachments in an army other than sharing a single keyword. If they did then soup would die and they'd lose shekels from FOTM Imperium and Chaos players rushing to buy the latest release.

idontknow
idontknow

I don't see it at all. Khorne opposes nurgle, not Slaanesh. Taking pleasure from bloodshed is sensory.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

I believe the term is, "never"?

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Khorne and Slaanesh hava always been each others most hated enemy

Same with Nurgle and Tzeench

Nojokur
Nojokur

google gives no results
Source? I don't mind it's stupidly lewd - it still seems to be a nice kitbash job

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Its an user here making it, based it on a kingdom death model

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

not naming them after famous church figures
not sending them on missions fitting to their name
not sending shield-captain marcian into the fray to combat the daemon prince dioscorus as he attempts to transform man with the dark god's power
Charlie is the custodian anyway

Soft_member
Soft_member

Oh it's mine.
Here it is from the front.

The torso is from Kingdom Death in case you were wondering.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Dude do you know anything about the chaos gods? The traditional opposite pairings are Khorne opposes Slaanesh, Nurgle opposes Tzeentch.

Given Khorne's hatred of magic and trickery and his direct opposition to Slaanesh's sissy hedonism, that leaves Nurgle as the god he'd have the least beef with.

cum2soon
cum2soon

veekyforums.com/thread/57567335/games#bottom

takes2long
takes2long

Tbh I'll be naming my guys after my favourite Carthaginians

likme
likme

all this talk of dark reapers
Time to fight cancer with aids

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

expectation doth butter no parsnips

They're plenty powerful already and I won't be surprised if there's something out there that'll give them an additional plus one for super tankiness

Flameblow
Flameblow

So yeah is this getting nerfed in March too?

TechHater
TechHater

Interesting expression, that. Anyhow, I'm just talking based off of the Codex Reviews. That and people asking the BoLS people questions about the book on stream, and they both point to them having a 5++ base

Could be a stratagem or something for it out there

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Probably
tyranids are completely deserving of a nerf
What a time to be alive

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

I am clueless about Nids so I have no idea what I'm looking at

Illusionz
Illusionz

Finished my first 500 pts of Sisters today

What are you working on?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Dude do you know anything about the chaos gods? The traditional opposite pairings blah blah
The premise was how we feel it should be.

girlDog
girlDog

Hivefleet Soup
Kraken and Kronos
every fucking time

farquit
farquit

repentia
The absolute madman.
I'm just waiting for my custards at this point, don't feel like working on anything else but I already painted up all my Custodes, land raider and all

Bidwell
Bidwell

Might be a quality content, interesting concept anyway
please remove moldlines
someone post the pic of female tzaangor

Inmate
Inmate

Ew, at least have the respect to name them after Trojans or something at least cool

Carthago delenda est

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

I like the purple by the way, how'd you do it?

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

shit tier: T''''''''''au
dumpster fire: Deathwatch
good to know my idea of going full radstealer cult next will improve my army tier

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Cmon man,
Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.
You can't stop me tho, Phoenicians were cool as shit

FastChef
FastChef

Xereus purple, wash with Druchii Violet and highlight with Genestealer Purple, real simple

whereismyname
whereismyname

adding little air gauge counters to my dkok

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Have they made major changes to how a army works in the codex? Instead of just point changes.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

tfw hive guard are better at shooting than the entire tau index

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

I love Krieg with more colour than just grey.

Looks really sweet.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

As in, do they make major post production changes to codices?

iluvmen
iluvmen

best stuff
cheap stuff
fast studd
good warlord shit
good faction shit
no down sides no weakness

Fug

idontknow
idontknow

Why TS are furries now?

likme
likme

As compared to the indicies or what?

There are more special rules in the codex.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Like how a unit plays or shoots ornwhat it shoots etc. Like make something viable besides "oh it's cheap"

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Space Yiffs left an impression on them and the decided to mimic their fetish

Evilember
Evilember

tfw you played Nids back in 7th
tfw you dont want to play Kraken or Kronos because every bandwagoning faggot is playing exactly that as soup
tfw want to play Jormungandr
but have no idea how to build my list, since I've spent the entirety of 8th trying to make my Grey Knights actually good
tfw every time I play nids I show up with some random units, and then get either get BTFO because I have no idea what I'm doing, or absolutely stomp my opponent on accident because I used something like:
30 Devilgaunts+Malanthrope+Trygon tunnel+Jormungandr stratagem+shoot twice Stratagem

I never asked for this much power, anons. I just wanted my nids to be fun to play as and fun to play against...

Aktshually, its "Ceterum censeo Carthaginem delendam esse". Romans always end sentences with the main Verb (esse), whereas delendam is a participle

JunkTop
JunkTop

If you mean: "do they make stuff work differently in the transition from an index to codex?", then yes.
For example Leman Russes somehow learned how to shoot twice in a phase when the guard codex came out

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

because change is inevitable

whereismyname
whereismyname

Faction and subfaction traits as well as stratagems are huge gamechangers. Some units have gotten new rules or stat revamps too, like Leman Russes and Neurothropes. The Tyranids went from eh to top tier with their codex.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

I want more mechs for IG. New gritty Sentinels and exoskeletons.

MPmaster
MPmaster

should I go with the left base or the right base?
mid is just there so you know what colors my tau are, for better judgement

King_Martha
King_Martha

I am bothered Rippers have objective secured, though this edition is the most fluffy they've ever been on the tabletop.

Soft_member
Soft_member

Still need a niche for these dudes, who will probably have that 2+/4++ by default.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

IG needs some fast attack. Currently there's basically only Sentinels and they suck both model-wise and gameplay-wise.

askme
askme

ultramarans eunt domus

iluvmen
iluvmen

What unit has the biggest disparity between how cool they are as a concept and how shit they are on the tabletop?

broadsides
malanthropes
deff dreads
paladins

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Even if I might want to argue, I can't talk shop about grammar in English so I'm stumped

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

left

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

broadsides
I second that
also:
most of the tau battlesuits

StonedTime
StonedTime

saying I'm fighting cancer with aids
surprised I'm mixing hive fleets
My normal list is the same just with jormangander instead

JunkTop
JunkTop

Tyrannosaurus were not that much taller then Elephants. Longer though.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Move twice, shoot twice, and fight twice should universally be removed. Notice how everyone good has it and everyone shit doesn't.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Still disappointed in the solerite talons, I had hoped it'd be similar to the power claw design Adrian Smith applies to Big E in his art
So that the fingers are like an eagle's talons

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

left, goes well with the orange.

5mileys
5mileys

HOLY SHIT

AOS GETTING SNAKE GIRLS

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

source?

TreeEater
TreeEater

Scout sentinels are pretty good for interrupting assault armies, hellhounds are also pretty good, rough riders still exist even if they are index only.

Emberburn
Emberburn

Elaborate

Emberfire
Emberfire

Can't wait for those S10 AP-4 gauntlets to wreck some tanks

Firespawn
Firespawn

huh I quite like the Sentinel model. The Tallarn doctrine mean you can move and fire heavys without penalty which makes them a bit more viable

SniperGod
SniperGod

bolters and chainswords
Lictors

RumChicken
RumChicken

It's the WD where they show off what we've seen online already.
Because they aren't in the Jan WD.
Because they were focused on Nurgle and also wanted to reveal the Custard in their own time.
How could you seriously not work this one out on your own.
Seriously? It's basic fucking common sense.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Yeah, they didn't even do it like cataphractii armor ones. I really like the firepikes but honestly the claws are so ugly it's a total turn off

DeathDog
DeathDog

That doesn't seem like too hard of a conversion to do though.
Just cut off and replace the fingers on their power fists.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

youtu.be/PlQqri1FuRQ

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

I suspect Aquillons will be more useful: Stronger powerfists with hairdryer death rays on a deep striker is good anti-vehicle, torrent flamers with stronger lightning claws should be good anti-horde.

An Aquillon Shield Captain is probably too much to hope for though...

Nojokur
Nojokur

More shit to add to my Exalted Sorcerer's ever growing harem.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

ty
looks like I could get into greek naga as my AoS army

viagrandad
viagrandad

Its generally been known for months in aos circles that morathi is coming qtr1 and shes snake themed.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Shit tier: Necrons

Once again, Veeky Forums can't into necrons. They're mid tier for sure.

hairygrape
hairygrape

Huh.
I think AoS is a heaped pile of steaming shit but Medusa elves sound like something I might get a couple of.
Won't bother getting into how much lore rape the greek style elven tapestry is

TreeEater
TreeEater

For too long have I been shunned
Slaanesh is pissed

WebTool
WebTool

slaanesh
when its talking about fighting slaanesh
You don't do too much thinking in your free time do you

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

bringing back the snake harlot
not the glorious snake queen
GW hates money
More at 11

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

bolters and chainswords
Deathwatch my dude, the special ammunition and extra melee attacks make them live up to the hype

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

aos circles
C'mon user, 7 people hardly constitute "circles"

Nojokur
Nojokur

It was a joke but it didn't really work, ah well.

Supergrass
Supergrass

recommending Dumpster Fire: The faction

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

I play Deathwatch. They really don't. It's more like a consolation prize

Booteefool
Booteefool

Are you sure? Even my crappy GKs are able to win against our local necron players.
Just out of interest, what do you run? Maybe I can help them make their lists better.

The one dude runs 40 Warriors, a couple Immortals, a Walker thingie, 10 Lychguard surrounding a C'tan and a Doomsday Ark.

MPmaster
MPmaster

If it was, it really didn't

takes2long
takes2long

To be fair if I was gonna do a guard with marine support list, it'd be deathwatch I'd pick for the support. Their strength and flexibility fit the image of an elite spec ops supersoldier really well.

Just a shame they're beyond unworkable as a solo list,

iluvmen
iluvmen

They get their shit pushed in by any mid tier army and most Fun tier armies, face it user, theyre shit tier at best

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Sexy drone.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

I play (fully-painted) steel legion with a couple assassins and a baneblade. Am I a WAAC-fag?

Methnerd
Methnerd

Psychic seems a lot worse in 8e so time to finally whip out my khorne models

I want all the CP so I can use "Denizens of the Warp" Stratagem on the bulk of my 'letters and 'crushers

No bloodthirster? Wahhh?
I have one but my DP is fully painted and converted and I think new Khorne is better suited to voltron style and hit reroll aura is too good stacking with other auras of my HQ's

Brigade 1994pts
HQ (3-5):
Skulltaker 84

Daemon Prince of Khorne w Wings 180
Malefic Talons x2

Skullmaster 100
Crimson Crown

Troops (6-12):
Bloodletters x13 91

Bloodletters x10 70

Bloodletters x10 70

Bloodletters x10 70

Bloodletters x10 70

Bloodletters x10 70

Elites (3-8):
Bloodcrushers x3 141

Bloodcrushers x3 141

Bloodcrushers x3 141

Bloodcrushers x3 141

Fast Attack (3-5):
Flesh Hounds x5 75

Flesh Hounds x5 75

Flesh Hounds x5 75

Heavy Support (3-5):
Skull Cannon 100

Skull Cannon 100

Skull Cannon 100

Skull Cannon 100

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

I'm more annoyed by the mix of nudity and loincloths. It's inconsistent and RH has already shown they are not afraid of nudity.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

No bloodthirster? Wahhh?

DP's are better than thirsters anyway, I can just charge the thirster witha horde, then you cant charge my good shit next turn, whereas DPs would shred small shit anyway, smite them off or warp time, then charge

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

I wonder how easily I could convert them into holding ripper guns to use a Ogryns.

Lunatick
Lunatick

veekyforums.com/thread/57574105/games
veekyforums.com/thread/57574105/games
veekyforums.com/thread/57574105/games
veekyforums.com/thread/57574105/games

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

I'd not recommend skull cannons and flesh hounds, khorne is best rn spamming bloodletters with a DP and bloodthirster to crush heavier stuff.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

genestealer cultists

Snarelure
Snarelure

Renegades and Heretics so bad they don't even make the list.

whereismyname
whereismyname

almost everything else

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Ebay

TechHater
TechHater

So just 'letters and 'crushers?

I took the cannons and hounds partially because I need them for brigade requirements and because I have/ will have the models. Also seems like it'd be nice to have at least something with range like cannons if you have an opponent with enough speed to dodge combat

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

That reminds me of a DH game I was in where an Enforce tried tell my SoB to take cover after we came under fire without our weapons. I promptly ran past him and started beating cultists to death with my power armored fists. I even said something wonderfully cheesy like "The emperor does not protect those too cowardly to die" or something. It was great.

Techpill
Techpill

Yes but it's not my idiot pride in this particular instance. It just looks like ass, why not just glue together some regular spore mines if I am going that route anyway? Suckas are way too small. I just like the immersion of a fuckhuge siphonophore.

You have a point but my counterpoint is that if I was going to sculpt miniatures, I'd sculpt bolter bitches and make bank. I think this is the direction I'm going to need to go, though. Pic related counts as Sister Superior.

Comes up dry. Everyone else is in the same boat. Thanks though for the suggestion.

Man, I miss when Veeky Forums had whole threads about downloading a land raider and the best places for buying bootlegs from Chinamen. Ok, bitching over.

Emberburn
Emberburn

give ur dp the baller axe u pussy

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

As long as you use proper infantry models in your Catachan force anything in the codex will feel fluffy.

Emberburn
Emberburn

Skull cannons are ass, but Hounds are very efficient for their cost now.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Cannons are extremely limp-wristed for their cost, you're better off spending the points achieving melee threat saturation rather than on mediocre shooting. Up one of those Bloodletter squads to 20 or 30 for the deepstrike bomb.

farquit
farquit

Getting into 40k for the first time. I have a bunch of marauders that I want to convert to Nurgle cultists. Anyone have suggestions for head and autopistol bits.

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