Player brings homebrew furfag race to the table

>player brings homebrew furfag race to the table
What do you do?

Is it balanced? If so, I'll probably let them run it.

Kick the player out and find a new one who's not a faggot. How is this even a question? Why did you need to make a thread for it?

>player brings homebrew communist paladin to the table
What do you do?

“Goddamnit Bill, you know we have a list of races in the setting and the only beastmen not allowed are fox, wolf, and cat types because they’re furrybait. Why don’t you play as a wombat, kangaroo, thylacine, koala, or lizardfolk instead?”

>player brings homebrew capitalist paladin to the table
What do you do?

Ask them kindly to leave.

Is it balanced? If so, I'll probably let them run it.

This issue probably solves itself once the paladin tries to get the rest of the party to pay their taxes.

Is it balanced? If so, I'll probably let them run it.

I guess it's hard to tell whether something's balanced if you can't read and judge it for yourself.

Thematically speaking I could see such a group of paladins like that working. IF they are anti-monopoly.

>furry race
totally fine

>"inherently mischievous"
get that shit out of here

Talk to them about it. If they want to try something different or have a good reason, let them give it a shot. If it's overpowered, tweak the race a bit or offer alternatives. If they just want to jack off over their furry waifu, tell them that this isn't the kind of game to do that in.
But it's not like Veeky Forums actually interacts with people playing games, easier to just make up stories bitching about people than to get a group together and play.

basically this
i don't care if your homebrew race is furry, but most "inherently mischievous" races are banned anyways, so that's the critera for it getting shot down

Furries are fine, kitsune are not. Kitsune are fucking garbage.

In fairness, the pic in OP doesn't have any of the kitsune's racial traits that matter, aside from speed, which is the standard 30 feet. So going off of that, it looks fine. Underpowered, even. Where's the rest of it?

The two paladin oaths posted also seem fine.

My point is that the only stuff I tend to turn down in a fantasy setting is stuff that doesn't make a whole ton of sense - ray guns, for example.

If the player wants to run a kitsune, that's fine. Marco Polo schlepped across Asia to hang out with Kublai Khan; I don't see any reason why some Inari looking mohterfucker couldn't make the same trek in the opposite direction. Perhaps as part of some kind of...Journey to the West, or something.

Is it a player I know to be a good roleplayer from experience? If so, no problem. If not, no homebrew.

Why so? I don't have much experience, but usually it is more of a new player thing to want to be lolrandom, regardless what race they are. Are they ruining your novel?

The issue isn't new players wanting to be lolrandom, it's old players wanting to be lolrandom.

When the rules provide an official guideline that lets you play a race as "lolrandom," you are given carte blanche to fuck up the party dynamic and be a prick because "it's my race's nature, don't hate me." It gives you an out when people expect you to be responsible for your behavior.

You know who else is lovably mischevious? Kender.

I feel like the guy who made this image never actually played in the DragonLance setting.

Furfaggotry aside. Is UA/DAPC not actually official or recognised in any way? I've played a little over a dozen sessions and just figured PDF=at least mostly approved by the powers that be

>Are they ruining your novel?

no, but they are wasting a lot of time. the "mischievous" players usually set the party back five minutes every time they open their mouth, either by stealing shit that they shouldn't, gently sabotaging the party, causing general annoyance, or refusing to contribute meaningfully in combat

for some players, free time is difficult to come by, and I need to respect their dedication to the game as much as I need to respect the attention-whoring whims of the guy who plays a literally retarded character in every single game.

>Wanting to play DragonFarts
Worst setting

>"get out of my playgroup and yiff in hell furfag"

That was hard.

>Kangaroo
>not furrybait
Did you even see her thighs?

Christ you're grim.

>Christ you're grim.

"my character panics and screams, runs across the rope bridge, and cuts it down into the river to escape from the enemy before the party can cross"

>wow, I'm so glad we got to experience this.

That's not mischievous, dickwad, that's just an asshole. "Mischievious" is, like, pick-pocketing the barbarian's stuffed Tarrasque doll to see what's so special about it that he carries it with him everywhere, but then giving it back as soon as he asks for it; or scouting ahead, accidentally getting into an entire encounter by yourself, winning it, and then keeping the loot for yourself and brushing off questions about what happened; or when encountering the Ancient Oracle, talking to them like a person or friend rather than as some kind of great power.

Or something. There has to be an element of charm and/or harmlessness. You're not describing mischief, you're describing malevolence.

Have a girl playing a kitsune, shes already managed to get herself in trouble, her character is probably going to last one other session

That's not homebrew though, OP.

Yeah, it's almost like players always use it as an excuse to be an unfun dickwad instead of be harmlessly mischeivous. Like we're trying to say.

>homebrew race
>in MY setting
Lol, no.

>Age
They only become sapient and humanoid after 100 years as a fox? There wouldn’t be any kitsune alive ever. Foxes would die of exposure, disease, predation or starvation WAY before that.

Remember: Homebrews are universally shit

>communist
>paying taxes to materially support an aristocratic regime
>not aiding in the bourgeois revolution to create the material conditions for a glorious future proletarian revolution to come
Do you even read Marx?

Except players don't "always" do it. Source: I didn't in the last campaign, and I was deliberately playing the plucky thief archetype. Now I'm DM'ing and have a tabaxi storm sorcerer who's player actually wrote "Chaotic Stupid" as her alignment, but the character is fine. Because I play with actual people who can actually be spoken to and reasoned with if they're problematic, not the theoretical boogeymen that haunt Veeky Forums's threads.

Veeky Forums only plays theoretical games, so they only game with theoretical players.

Throw out him and all of his friends, no discussion. Cancel the game if necessary.

You can’t use UA in “official” play because they’re not playtested as extensively as official innabook content.

But, yeah, it’s more or less balanced stuff.

Believe me, it shows a lot of the time, particularly with how often Veeky Forums says they'll "throw out" players. Most actual play groups are made up of groups of friends that aren't going to ditch each other easily.

What, because it's homebrew or because it's a race of anthropomorphized animals?

No he’s not. I work a 9 to 5 job, have to maintain my health at the gym, cook, clean, have /out/ hobbies and maintain a positive relationship with my family and friends. My group are a bunch of literal NEETs who live off of social programs and exclusively play vidya and tabletop for entertainment and have the attitude you do.

Some of us literally don’t have time for the Kenders, Kitsune, and lolrandumb dickwads with nothing BUT time.

I love the whole “communism is where the government owns everything” meme

gets me every time

> Taxes
> Communism

No 'Communist' state possessed taxes because the government paid everyone directly.

There is a reason The West is the most prosperous civilization in the history of mankind while communist civilizations always devolve to dictatorships or extinction.

Just because you can’t function and succeed in a capitalist society doesn’t mean it doesn’t work for the majority of others.
>Most people are poor!
Yeah, compare a poor Brit or American to a poor African and get back to me

Whoever wrote this is an ML. That “Strength of the People” thing is vanguardist as hell and I’m not here for it

Well yeah, it seems more or less functional. My bloodied fist monk functions well enough now that I can life tap to spam ki "spells" and have to kill things with a cantrip to heal back temp hp. I ask because honestly? I'm that guy in that I want more options then the pbh gives me

Yeah, it's just the intial redistribution of wealth that's the hard part.

I read through the rules from that kitsune race and they’re potentially overpowered. I’d probably allow it but tell them that if I felt like they were abusing anything, I’d nerf them.

Why would the Paladin attempt to do it on the party - surely he's read his theory and knows that he can't achieve socialism in one party? It's useless to attempt reform on such a low level without changing the wider system at hand.

He must be a hapless utopian.

The party's gonna be around equal wealth already, but they're going to be absurdly more wealthy than the common man. Is he going to just stand idle why they hoard enough wealth to buy and sell the city?

You're the one who chose to fill your life up that much, stop punishing the rest of us just 'cause you don't have any spare time and approach tabletop more like a task to complete than a game to enjoy.

You understand that it's probably tongue-in-cheek, right?

Lets them play it and if it becomes a problem, talk to them outside of the session...

Of course it was, I’m just a loser who likes sniffing out tendencies

>paladin of ideology rather than a god
That's cool concept, but how are they supposed to get their superhuman powers.

Are there any other subclasses that aren't part of the UA? I've got the two posted here and a spellfire paladin.

>What do you do?
Tell him we are not playing DnD and to stop bringing this shit up to the table.

In 5e, all paladins are paladins of ideologies rather than gods. Their powers derive from the strength of their conviction.

But I never said communism worked, user, I was just correcting a basic misunderstanding of the underlying theory.
Surely you'd agree that it's beneficial to know what you're talking about before you open your mouth and make an idiot of yourself, right?

Would you prefer a Trotskyist paladin with a newsletter and party-splitting powers?

Or read the novels, everyone hates kender, though persons may like certain kender.
As a race they're broadly viewed as a nuisance you don't want in your city, like rats or lepers.

How about a kropotkin paladin who just wants some bread

>not playing a gramsci paladin and living a cozy life in jail

>It's still 2006

>player brings homebrew
This is the problem right here

No homebrew allowed.
If you can't work with official, or at least semi-official WotC released content, you are doing it wrong.

>furfag race
No problem as long as it was released by WotC

>several monstergirl threads pop up
>they rightfully get shitposted to hell
>coincidentally, a furry/beastfolk hate thread pops up not long after
I can’t be the only one to notice this pattern, right? Why are weebs so predictably butthurt all the time about anthropomorphic animals?

Would you allow a refluff, like mechanically it's a gnome or tabaxi but we're going to call it a kitsune?

Actual situation : 12 year old half Asian daughter of another player wants to be a cat girl from some anime. First time playing dnd. Should dm allow it and maybe she finds a lifelong hobby? Or tell her no way.

Could work, depending on the setting.
Already re-skined Zendikar Vampires as Dhampirs among other things

PROFIT

>scouting ahead, getting into an entire encounter by yourself, winning it
>an entire encounter
>by yourself
>not wasting time

Wow lm really glad a huge chunk of the few hours of dnd I get to play every few weeks or so was spent watching your idiot character fuck off by himself and have fun while the rest of us sit back doing nothing

Good taste, user

Not at my table, this is proud scaley household!

>wombat, kangaroo, thylacine, koala, or lizardfolk instead?

Oh god, hipster furries. What did the world come to?

also
>lizardfolk
>not fuckbait

i wonder who's behind this post...

>Kitsune
>furshit instead of shapeshifting literal fox or animu girl with ears and tail
Get the FUCK outta my table.

Watch the anime, evaluate the source character, talk honestly with the parent about your concerns, come up with sensible limits. Talk with the kid (at 12, she should be able to handle a one-on-one with the DM), make it clear what sort of behavior will cause problems.

And then let her have the character, because her desire for a catgirl is almost certainly more innocent and less intentionally disruptive than if an older player wanted one.

Also, I can't tell if you mentioning she is half-Asian was meant to explain why she likes anime, or is just baiting pedos.

Just let her use the tabaxi race from Volo's Guide to Monsters.

That's an actual event that happened early in Hoard of the Dragon Queen with my character. And it happened because the party TOLD me to scout ahead since I was playing a Rogue and hadn't taken any damage and so didn't need a short rest.

You don't get to complain if I'm scouting ahead at your insistence and then get into a tussle while doing so.

This
Tabaxi is a fine race

You're just not worshiping the right god.

Sorry user, Its not an Oath of Free Trade, it's an Oath of Fair Trade.

>thinking animoo cosplay sluts are in any way better

>There is a reason The West is the most prosperous civilization in the history of mankind while communist civilizations always devolve to dictatorships or extinction.

Because the CIA is really good at regime changes that ruin countries?

they are.

I can allow animalistic beastfolk if they cannot be mistaken for a human even from afar.

>tougher than the toughest
>smarter than the smartest
>made it square

Sounds paladin to me.

>You’re the one who chose to fill up your life that much
>having a job, maintaining good physical health and hygiene and having good social relationships is “choosing to fill up your life that much
Spoken like a true fucking reprobate.
I sincerely hope you’re trolling

It's tougher than the toughies ya dope

My player needs to give me time to look over the hombrew and they need to give me their word that they are aren't gonna be a shit about whatever it is.

Okay schizo

He's right though. Someone in a basement under Pentagon does not want any red on the map unless it's blood.

I wasn't the dm, but he allowed it. He knew who the character was and real quick made up a character for her. She mostly just wanted to be like the groups mascot. Moral is you can have a furry character in a serious group without problems.

>furry
Considering it's a fetish, and I don't allow fetish play for a reason, we'd have to be playing a crack game among friends for me to consider it.
>mischievous outcasts
No. The only reason I wouldn't spit on them is because such a person would certainly derive sexual pleasure from it.

>furrfaggotry deserves to progress beyond 2006
You've got websites for people like you, ya know. You don't have to hang out where literally no one wants you.

Let them play it.

If it turns out horrible, you have a story to tell. If it turns out fine, you have a story to tell. If it works out great, you have a story to tell.

I have played more games than you with more actual people, and never for a once have I ever met someone who was adamant about seriously playing a mischievous, quirky character who wasn't an unreasonable mess of a human being. Not once, in literal decades, and probably thousands of games and players, have I ever encountered even an approximation of "adjusted" in such a person.

The only decent people who ever play those characters are the ones not taking it seriously, while literally everyone else is not taking it seriously, in crack, gag games where everyone is playing a gag-trope character. Anyone who brings this character to a serious game played straight is a shitbag looking for attention, in my experience, and I don't have time or desire for that.

Whose anecdotal evidence is superior here?

Except you also mentioned that you have multiple other hobbies. Which is fine, but you know for a fact that there are so many hours in a day where you can pursue stuff. Each hobby you pick up is less time you can devote to the ones you already have.

You chose to pick them up, so you don't get to complain when your time with each is limited.

>Everyone who wants to play an anthro race is a furry

You know, when someone rolls up a Conan knockoff, I don't assume they're gay.

Mine, obviously.

>if it turns out terrible, you have a story to tell
The caveat being that these stories are infrequently worth telling except as cautionary tales, and you are almost certainly better having not experienced the progenitor event in the first place.

That might have something to do with the fact that Conan isn't primarily associated with a subculture which is intrinsically sexual in nature, centered around a very particular fetish.

Glad to know we've established that we aren't actually willing to seek a superior understanding of the community and we just want to fling our shitty opinions around.

>embracing a severe mental illness is "progressive"

>uses his relatives as slave labor
>is completely willing to let donald get fucked because of his own misdeeds against some tribe 40 years earlier

>furries are always sexual.

Look, if you didn't like Disney's Robin Hood or Tail Spin or about a million other shows with anthros as a kid, that's fine, but there's no reason to assume that every single time anyone wants to play an anthropomorphic character it's because they're a furry. And even if they ARE a furry - so fucking what? Straight people exclusively into humans don't spend every single game of D&D hitting on every single female human NPC, why do you assume that furries would be any different?

You're like those 50s propaganda videos that tried to spread the idea that anyone who was gay MUST also be a horny child molester. You're not just jumping to conclusions, you're in a race to see how quickly you can get from "this person wants to play a fox man" to "this person wants to fuck my 6 year old son up the butt while dressed as an ocelot".

>and we just want to fling our shitty opinions around

Fine, we'll do it the long way.

You asked an inherently loaded question, you couldn't have expected a real response. The difference is that when I told my anecdote it was specifically to disprove a blanket statement that couldn't possibly have been true, that players will "always" use "mischievous" as an excuse to be a dickwad.

As though there's no such thing as a mature roleplayer and every single one on the entire planet is just a loaded cannon waiting for a chance to act lolsorandumb. Kind of like those furries fucking your son up the butt that you're so afraid of, I guess. It reflects very poorly on your view of the typical roleplayer.

Your anecdote, by contrast, doesn't prove anything, since it's just you demonstrating that some players like that exist. Which, sure, of course they do - but I wasn't saying that it was never the case, just that it can't possibly be "always".

So, to bring us back to what I started with: Mine, obviously.