/STG/ - Star Trek General

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Didn't Neelix's cheese cause a major crisis on the ship like 3 times? I don't think his cooking is that good.

so i've been thinking about STD as a STA campaign. and i think it's kinda hilarious how they players seem to revel in just. giving the DM as much fucking threat as possible.

I know one time he had an active culture cheese he'd acquired that infected the Bio-Neural Gelpacks.

Mostly it was from trying to improve his food for the crew. Neelix cooked for survival, and all of a sudden he’s a chef to people that have had access to whatever culinary fancy they might have at the drop of a hat. It’s one of the things that’s done well in the 1st season of Voyager. He’s only thinking about nuetrition and efficacy, because that’s really all he knows.

Well it’s actually a book detailing how they made all the “alien” food. Hasperat was apparently quite popular with the cast and crew because it’s basically just a vegetarian burrito.

Really? I thought it was one of those silly cookbook things that show you how to make stuff like Romulan ale by adding extra food coloring to koolaid and stuff.

Nemesis is a funny way of spelling The Final Frontier

the presence of Shatner talking shit does not make a piece of media Star Trek

Once from his cheese, once from a heating coil he didn't run any scans or diagnostics on. I think both times it was the gel packs that got fucked up.

when you consider the number of actual sickbay visits or ship-wide emergencies against the number of meals prepped and served without the need for replicators (and therefore saving reserve power during periods when antimatter could not be found/made, bought or traded, which presumably happened), he's probably about as safe traveling on a starship that only has replicators for food, especially if you consider most federation ships at that time were in active warzones

scans?

I’m honestly surprised that didn’t start a full-scale shooting war. The Andorians spent the entire series up to that point jumping at any opportunity to get at the Vulcans and they’d been paranoid of an invasion.
Vulcan well-wishes aside, I can’t imagine the Imperial Guard taking an attack on their home system lightly. Wonder what sort of concessions the Vulcans has to make to keep the peace.

Poor Neelix. Dude spent all his time trying to balance enriching the lives of the crew with stretching out their supplies, and beyond letting him hang around nobody gave two shits. How was he supposed to know that Voyager had a *living component* that could get sick from cheese? Nobody told him.

Captain Kirk is climbing a mountain.
Why is he climbing a mountain?

Because there's a hot alien chick on the other side.

He's kind of a tragic character when you think about it, yeah.

He’s into mountain-climbing.

That isn’t even touching on how his home was wiped out by a weapon that liquified his family and everyone he’d ever known, only for the rest of his species to be enslaved by the people that made the weapon.

Incredibly so! Neelix is a great character, I'm definitely pro-Neelix. He's like Jar Jar Binks if he was also a holocaust survivor, it's great.

Kirk never sought out hot alien chicks, they just kinda fell into his lap.

>Nemesis is a funny way of spelling The Final Frontier
>the presence of Shatner talking shit does not make a piece of media Star Trek

Final Frontier is technically TOS in spirit, the problem was it's all of the worst parts of TOS in spirit.

Dude, singing campfire songs and eatin' beans is the sheer *essence* of Star Trek. Anyone who says otherwise is flat out retarded and doesn't deserve the air they breathe.

Am I the only one that really likes ENT's designs? The uniform designs feel practical and look neat (from the flight suits to the EV suits to the CWG, etc), the weapons look neat (fuck yeah phase pistols and particle rifles), and even the ships have a nice "old future" design.

The diehards who whine about it looking more advanced that TOS can jump off a cliff, Enterprise had the perfect aesthetic that made things look just futuristic enough to be sci fi while still being similar enough to present day stuff that it's obvious Enterprise is supposed to show off how humanity of the present becomes the humanity of the future. It's easily my second favorite Trek aesthetic behind Undiscovered Country.

Shame about almost everything else about Enterprise, but at least the design teams were on point.

I'm watching through ENT again and even the early seasons seem pretty decent to me now.
Maybe it STD and the wave of JJtrek to put things into perspective or maybe I was overreacting when I first watched it, I dunno.

yes but what DOES god need with a starship?

Set, costume, and prop design were the few things Enterprise actually nailed.

I like ENT in general.

Enterprise looked fine on all the internals, though personally I think the workstations on the bridge were too cramped, extra stuff was shoved in where it should have had space for sticking in a few extra random extras to fill out and make things look a bit more alive.

A lot of their aliens and alien ship designs were pretty great too.

And it bugs me the helm got one of the least complex looking chunks of controls. Budge it a bit forward, have it a bit beefier, maybe a bit more wrap-around with few more small screens along the top for status displays.

Some more ergonomic chairs for everyone not just the captain would have been nice to emphasise that it's bit rougher so the seating should be more solid. And a couple more small but close-by information screens for the captain given that the info displays everyone else has are a bit small to expect the captain to see clearly from his central position.

But these are really minor nitpicks.

Not even close. Generations was irredeemably stupid and worse it was so god damn lethargic about it. There is nothing in that film worth watching it for

The ship, however, was hideous: it would have been far better as a Bonaventure, or maybe a Conestoga with a deflector instead of antennas and a half-saucer at the front like the quick mock-up I whipped up in pic related

That is goddamn ugly

Honestly the thing that always bugged me about Enterprise was Travis.

Not his fault - they gave him a boring backstory and seem to have told him to play a hick to start with, then never really gave him interesting stories later on - but it was very reminiscent of Galaxy Quest with the performance of the "childlike" Travis and the chunky manual controls for an antimatter-powered starship.

I couldn't quite get away from that image, even when the shows were otherwise enjoyable. Similarly when they gave Malcolm straight shows, because that guy was gay.

Did he have any female love interests aside from the quickly dropped interest in T'Pol?

B'elanna tried to steal his brain one time, and I think it was implied he'd finger banged some Boomers growing up

Oh wait Malcolm, no, there were those shapeshifter aliens, but I don't recall anybody else.

Generations was a long episode and a nice hand-off from one cast to another.

Nemesis is an absolutely terrible film in all ways.

>a nice hand-off from one cast to another.
This is a straight up lie.

i find your lack of /bote/posting disturbing, your lack of faith, is an issue.

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My bad, posted WIP with a full saucer and full-width hull

tried to make it as a kitbash of canon ships to look like pic related

That looks like you'd have to take the long way around if you wanted to get from one forward section to another on the other side of the deflector.

At 116m wide it doesn't seem all that much of a disadvantage, but even with turbolifts it's unnecessarily wasted time; looking at Drexler's Constitution MSD the deflector probably fills out that first bulge before the bridge, right? Which also routes traffic through lifts and corridors closest to the bridge unnecessarily. Plus having to run 100m instead of 10m to go port-starboard is... dumb.

It looks pretty, sort of. Never was a fan of the squared-off struts though.

I'd imagine that as an older vessel than the Constitution, it has a smaller and weaker deflector that only goes as deep as the outermost ring of rooms (i.e. the hallway does go completely around the saucer, and probably has a door that accesses the maintenance space for the particle accelerator behind the dish); the bulge going back toward the bridge houses the power feed for the deflector and sensors leading from the powerplant aft of the bridge...

Neelix is a character that got fucked most by the first episode and his later shenigans in B-plots didn't help endear him at all. But then again two of the better episodes of Voyager are centered around Neelix. And then there is STO Neelix written by people that get the character and he has personality outside "lol I do random shit to annoy people around me."

Ideally, the nacelles would angle down rather than up, as this would:
-balance mass above and below the impulse exhaust (nacelles=bridge+shuttlebay)
-bring the nacelles can be closer to the xy-plane (the warp field could pass through the fantail cutout)
-open the possibility of the ship landing on asteroids/moons by resting on reinforced pads on the bottom of the nacelles and deflector bulge

Hell, the Akira already looks like it could land like that: imagine the volume of material/personnel that it could move with a ramp tacked on to the saucer's trailing edge...

I like the aliens in the ENT, there are the some rubberheaded humans but alot of aliens actually look alien.

I am currently watching season 3 of ENT and boy have I been dissapointed. I just watched the episode where Archer steals a warp coil from friendly aliens by gunpoint pretty much dooming them to a certain death . And this is the guy who is supposed to form Federation. I am not seeing it. He is total shithead and not much of his crew is any better with the T'Pol made as fucking junkie in the same god damn episode. I bet there won't be any consequences for any of this later episodes.

Tbh that Romulan ship would have been better as Andorian ship. I know Feddies get all the cool ships and Rommies and Klingons get what is left, but still it looks alot more like something Andorians would built than Romulans.

That's what Intrepids are for in their covert ops role.
>fast
>smart
>compact
>ludicrous sensor range and capability
>combat lower comparable to a Galaxy class
>can land

After the Hobus Space Kablooie Is bet all the Intrepids still in service were fitted with cloaking devices too.

Shatner was the one that really got Gene. If you replaced all instances of Shatner behind-the-scenes in that movie with Roddenberry, nothing changes.

He gave them enough food for the few months to get home.

His mission was to save Earth and humanity. Balance that against the convenience of a few space men. Also it is brought up later and the Vulcans bitch at him.

T'Pol gets problems from her addition.

The Akira has a Galaxy-scale shuttlebay ideally placed for unloading cargo: it can be a hybrid LHA/LST/torpedo boat, basically a planetary assault in a can!

I just watched the episode, three year trip without a warp drive in a area full of anomalies that fuck your ship faster than you can say "Archer is a cunt". and shitload of hostile aliens around it. Yeah Archer did more than inconvenienced them, he pretty made sure they wouldn't make it home. So yeah this is the guy i am not seeing what so fucking great about this guy.

>in a area full of anomalies that fuck your ship faster than you can say "Archer is a cunt"
Not since they destroyed the spheres.

It's still a couple of dozen people possibly/probably dying vs billions definitely dying.

He made the right choice. Or at least the less wrong one.

I finally got to watch the Tuvix episode.
They should've kept him that way. Probably the most likeable character of the show so far.

Ages ago I had the idea for a Post Dominion War Akira refitted to basically be Thunderbird 2 - If Thunderbird 2 carried all its modules at once.

Akira class best class

>you will never go on adventures with your close knit crew-family on a comfy Akira-class

The problem with ENT is that it didn't do enough to advance Trek, it was more of the same as before, and people were getting worn out after TNG, DS9 and VOY all in succession. They should've made something more different, gritty, emotional and real. Basically what Discovery is doing but less edgy.

It's really unfortunate. Personally I absolutely love season 3 of ENT and I wish it was all like that. It's a nice medium between normal Trek and what Discovery is doing.

>You will never find a dense nebula on the way home from saving the lives of billions of colonists, siphon it into the industrial replicators, and divide everyone into teams to build their own small craft for a soapbox derby

There was regime change and they mothballed most of their fleet. I would also assume that Earth's mediation played a large role. My assumptions have also been that the Vulcans and their allies were in a dominant position and would have won any war with the Andorians (at great cost of course). Additionally, Andorian relations with the Tellarites were low at the time and there would have been a risk that an Andorian-Vulcan war would have seen the Tellarites get drawn in, lop siding the odds even further.

The main thing that bugs me about the first two season of ENT is how amateur hour the crew are. Like, were they trying to make it seem like Earth was a third world power with a third world Starfleet?

Generations is my favorite TNG movie. Fite me.

Generations would have been better without Kirk or any TOS cast.

>-balance mass above and below the impulse exhaust (nacelles=bridge+shuttlebay)

Most canon ships don't do this, so why should fan creations have to?

Pirating that ship is basically Archer's Kobayashi Maru. There was no way to win. And no, they didn't really do enough to revisit the consequences of his choice there, but it does get brought back up in a later episode.

Well fug!

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So I'm just getting into STO and a bunch of people have already told me that i'm going to end up spending money on it. Is it worthwhile to just go in on the lifetime subscription or would that be jumping the gun?

Funny enough, in the beta canon books about the Earth-Romulan War the actual encounter with the Kobayashi Maru happens with Archer. It's a bit different than the test seems to be. It's a converted klingon cargo ship an earth merchant is using. The Romulans have used their telecapture system to hijack some D7s and are using the Maru as bait to capture Enterprise. Archer realizes this and chooses to leave the Maru to its fate. Mayweather gets all pissy about it and transfers off the ship.

I've got over 700 hours in STO and haven't spent a dime. Lifetime sub just comes with a shit monthly zen stipend and cosmetics.

Wait until it goes on sale for $200. If you still are feeling it, go for it. By then you will know if you are going to still want to play for the long haul.

I would really enjoy episodes about all the hilariously irresponsible things that you could do with replicators.

Money is optional. If you're going to get a lifetime sub anyway wait till it's on a good sale. The only really useful thing you get out of it is the monthly stipend, and that accrues slower than the rate at which they put out things to buy. So don't get the lifetime sub unless you're going to be playing the game still in 2 or 3 years since that's when you'll break even vs just buying stuff as you go along.

I'm still leaning towards Novas for spook-ops. The ship is effectively half deflector. And it's a small, innocuous, "harmless" ship.

Malcolm at it again.

Aesthetic desu

Wish they'd have been able to continue and do this in season 5

Reed was my favourite character in ENT.

Pretty much the best thing they've added to STO, I think.

Ice cold.

What went wrong?

STD is what you deserve.

You think DS9 is more of the same?

>His smile and optimism: Gone

I still remember the Voyager novel "Final Fury" (Official crossover called "Invasion" with some other sci fi franchise) Where Neelix, Tuvok and Janeway got trapped by the aliens and happened to have one of those tiny phasers in his boot, cause of the whole "survivor" thing, and also mentioned Sub dermal transporter implant things, and spare communicators, wondering why they werent standard issue.

Hol' Up! On the flash sale logo dealy, middle upper right. Is that a 25th centuryized Perseus class?

>were they trying to make it seem like Earth was a third world power with a third world Starfleet
That's... Exactly what it was. Earth was brand new to space exploration and there were a ton of other planets/races that were already out there. On the galactic scale, Earth was like a developing nation. Something like Space India, basically.

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Naw mate, it's either this sto.gamepedia.com/Heavy_Escort_Carrier
or
sto.gamepedia.com/Heavy_Escort_Carrier_(T6)

Im more inclinedto thinking it's the former rather than latter.

Constellation did it first.

I bet you're one of those people who tries to think up clever ways to "beat" the Kobayashi Maru or thinks of waving around his survival time like it's some kind of Power Level, dramatically missing the point of the test.

What IS your solution to the Kobayashi Maru, anyway?

I quite enjoyed Enterprise, but that's probably because :
A) I watched it quite recently, leading up to Discovery's start.
B) I used the episode guide posted here, and essentially didn't watch any of the actually bad episodes (and even skipped many okay ones).

I loved that scene. There's a stun setting on those pistols; make use of it as often as possible.

But can the Constellation land? (you'd have to rotate everything behind the saucer (i.e. the nacelles and warp assembly) by 90°, blocking the approach vectors for half of the shuttlebays...
The Akira looks like it was designed to as part of normal operations like or the big tandem-wing transports in Star Wars: The Phantom Menace, dropping into hostile environments while spewing small craft and unloading entire platoons after touchdown

While it's JJ-trek, so take with a mountain of salt, but isn't the JJ-Enterprise actually parked on Earth in a drydock at the start of the film?

"Eat shit, Mr Vulcan, my PTSD is bad today and the Doctor is offline."

Yeah, Earth's fastest line ships are described in production notes as being about Warp 2. The cargo vessels are limited there too; there's a few oddities like this wedge lookin thing that comes out to meet Enterprise as a transport (but probably close to Earth? idk), but between NX being the Warp 5 project - and only producing two functional vessels before the show ended - and the entire planetary fleet being apparently a handful of vessels, it's strongly implied that Earth has never been more than a few lightyears with any regularity. Sure, there are ships that have gone further - like Khan, somehow, but that's on TOS to figure out - but it takes literally years to get to Vulcan at Warp 2. It's like a 4 year trip. And they don't have any other allies until Archer makes them.

Personally I would have liked a little nod to the way things from the solar system get sucked out into interstellar space on the regular - like "oops, captain, that subspace vortex just opened up and took an old station - minimal power, no transponder, probably left over from the early 21st century judging from the design" and BAM, two hundred years later it pops out full of an angry banker, a washed-up country singing junkie, and a confused housewife.

>Archer, when the show was cancelled

Did any novels ever explain what Archer was doing when he was working with the Suliban as Future Guy?

I think he was just able to tap into their receiver when he was stranded in the future accidentally; it was never really suggested that he was Future Guy, because Future Guy couldn't manifest himself in the past physically, but Archer was able to jump through.

Docked/under construction=/=ability to land in and take off from a field independent of infrastructure.