Adeptus Mechanicus

tg is the 40k board though.

stfu 40kid

What else were you going to discuss? Magic: The Pyramid Scheme? Maybe a giantess fetish thread?

all of those are better than 40k, a shitty ripoff of 2000AD and dune and praised by 12 year olds for "teh cool space marines, so grimdark duuude"

40k is immature

40k's a ripoff of way more things than that mate, that's what makes it fun.

Maybe 3 people like it for the Grimdark at face value.

The Adeptus Mechanicus has their own version of the Inquisition for hereteks.

Why doesn’t mechanicus just take over the Imperium?

They do all the important shit and have monopoly on technological knowledge.

>Stop liking what I don't like
>40K is immature

That's a thonker

You're confusing the Inquisition and the Ecclesiarchy.

>It begins with the big I not being able to understand lingua technis

>Implying the Inquisition doesn't employ techpriests
>Implying a magos cannot become Inquisitor

this. Inquisition cares about chaos worship, deamons, and xenos; not dogma. That is the echlessiarchy's job, and the echlessiarchy doesn't have any authority over the Adeptus Mechanicus.

When the AdMech's get a little too close to xeno-tech create Abominable Intelligences, then you might see some Inquisitors start giving a shit, otherwise only a few fringe guys care about enforcing the tenets of the Imperial Faith while pursuing their other aims.

Why the fuck would they want to have to deal with all the shit the Administratum and other branches have to shovel? The cogboys are known to be indispensable to mankind by both themselves and the wider Imperium and are left to do as they please. The fuck more do you think they want?

Ordo Hereticus says hi. Their main job is to make sure everyone is properly worshipping The Emperor.

Don't forget that Hereticus was founded specifically to police the Ecclesiarchy and their dickery. And Admech predates the Ecclesiarchy by thousands of years, are exempt from their missions, etc.

"Emperor is the machine-god" sounds more like Admech convincing themselves about why they should worship this worthless sack of rotting shit, rather than the cold computations of the perfect machine.

Just because a tech priest works for an inquisitior does not mean he is gonna spill every secret they have, the fleshbags are nothing to them.

Oh lol.

Hereticus is internal affairs making sure the various organizations of the Imperium adhere to the rules and don't overextend their rule. They were mainly tasked with policing the Ecclesiarchy and making sure they adhere to the decree passiva. They have no religious aspect to their job, only to make sure people don't get too power hungry or step out of line.

No point. They've got huge piles of tech, almost unmatched political capital and a galaxy full of meatshields for themselves, and they're not motivated by just raw power. May as well sit around and live it up in the forge cities and let the Imperials deal with the random shit they don't want to dedicate troops to.

I believe that in the early days of the Great Crusade it was a polite fiction/party line thing across the vast majority of Mars, because it was simpler just to go "sure, allies now. Please use your great special forces to find the rest of the Mechanicum and we keep all the tech monopolies" than fight a long costly war for no real reason.

I believe originaly the emperor allowed the ad mech to exsist purely in the interest of time and, like everything else in the imperium (eg the Astartes and the thunder wariors before them), as a means to an end. The emperor didn't like idolatry of any kind and it is likely if he had succeded in the great crusade he would have set about 'fixing' the organisation.

Of course that never happened and the emperor became worshiped a god. Im sure if the ecclesiarchy had had their way the cult mechanicus would have been seen to but as mentioned by that point they were already so powerful and entrenched in almost every aspect of the imperium there was little thay could do. Even attempting to voice opposition was/is stupid because good luck trying to build or maintain anything beyond a medieval level of technology without them. Thus it has remained for 10k years.

gtfo 40Kid

Because Imperium doesn't give a shit about interplanetary religious uniformity.

You have planets that worship Emperor as the Sun, to some he is a great ancestor spirit, to some he is a cleansing fire that dances on the corpses of sinners.

There's thousands of variations on the way people worship the Emperor, true, few dominant cults emerge amongst the ones that do travel the stars, but in the end it doesn't matter in the end how you worship the Emperor, only that you venerate him as god.

Some sects do purge those they view guilty of worshipping the Emperor wrong, but that's ultimately not the job of the Inquisition as much as it's of the ecclesiarchy.

This is why variations in dogma are not something Inquisition cares about. What Inquisitors seek is corruption, not theological debates.

Where the fuck else in the inquisition gonna get all their tanks and guns? Without them the entire Imperium would be fucked

>Can someone please explain to me how the Inquisition tolerated these guys?
Because they're useful. No one else in the Imperium knows how most of their technology works and how to fix it.

your second point is invalid, because just like any faction of the imperium, the adeptus mechanicus is a feudal society, and each forge world is pretty much independant from the others
so it would be more the concerned forge world goes on a strike, or more pragmatically just turn the idiot into a coffee-dispenser servitor

Can someone please explain to me how the Inquisition tolerated these guys?

I’m assuming that the Space Wolves just tell everyone “When the wulfpriests say allfather they totally mean the God-Emperor.”

I just don’t get it.

DIGGA NOBS

They already do all the important shit. Why not let the fleshbags deal with the boring stuff?

>Can't argue back
>Guh-gtfo fortykaykids!

Congratulations on proving yourself the retard that everyone already thought you were.

>buy into the greater good
>get working computers and plasma funs from fishfaces
>no more dealing with machine spirits, your stuff just works now
>no more searching for STC, everything is neatly organized

The one time the Inquisition tried any shit with them, they infected the entire Inquisition computer network with a virus that purges any mention that Stygies VIII is heretekal.

>Give up autonomy as a species
>Have to submit to superiority of a clearly inferior species
>Have to work with Abominable Intelligences
>Rest of the Imperium is still loyal, have to fight them
>Can't have Titans because they aren't cost effective enough

you still haven't argued against my argument that 40k is a shitty ripoff of other settings. silly 40kid

>Playing nice with potentially heretical weirdo's where you only have to slightly avert your gaze to the principles your empire was founded on
>Completely throw away every single ounce of faith you have to become slaves to a horde of blue filth who will castrate your entire species

>Why doesn’t mechanicus just take over the Imperium?

Autism. If it doesn't involve machines doing machine things they don't give a shit.

Honestly, most of the reason they hate Chaos is because chaos destroys order and logic and are 'CHEATING HAX' when it comes to making machines work with deamon magic, not because chaos champions eat babies and wear capes of still living skin.

The reason they hate alien shit is because aliums inevitable have weird tech quirks like 'we use a base 8 opperating system because we have only three fingers' and the Technpriests are already way too invested in their own infrastructure. The holy grail of a techpriest would probably be to master time travel so they could go back in time, slap Ben Franklin's shit and make him change electric charge to positive instead of negative.

Pretty much. They will help you. But do not think for a second they are your servants or slaves.
AdMech are very good at keeping secrets.

Also no way of controlling your psykers. And no high tech from the DAoT. And slow interstellar travel.

I'd rather hump an armed nuke.

He didn't argue against it because he agrees with it, but still likes the setting.

You haven't provided a reason why being derivative of other works makes it bad. You insecure old fuck.

Their holy grail is finding a complete STC library.
But as time travel would them that. I guess they'd take that one too.

somebody filled his diaper

>Can someone please explain to me how the Inquisition tolerated these guys?
they don't
in fact the inquisition has gotten into hot shit with the space wolves recently

>Playing nice with potentially heretical weirdo's where you only have to slightly avert your gaze to the principles your empire was founded on
Are you talking about Mechanicus or Tau now? And who talks about submitting to them, just stop killing them on sight and let them build flashy guns for you in peace, like those tentacled guys in robes you know already do

The AdMech are the most powerful organization in the Imperium. Not even the Inquisition fucks with them.

To the AdMech, Knowledge is Power. They don't care about ruling planets, only about how those planets help them further their pursuit of knowledge. Having a meatshield like the Imperium dependent on them suits their needs perfectly.

Wouldn't Smurfrealm be most powerful organization now that Girlyman is back ?

Nope, the AdMech literally controls the means of production for the whole Imperium. Every factory in the Imperium has a Tech-Priest who oversees it. They also have legions of the most advanced troops in the Imperium barring the Custodes (maybe because the AdMech thinks it is a waste to invest that much in a single soldier). Oh and Titans. They got those too.

I still think Ultras woul kick their ass. Maybe even Dark Angels too

>one chapter vs entire galaxy of tech-priests

Enjoy your ships and armor failing when some guy in a robe blurts binary over the vox. Guess who designed and built all that shiny gear.

Because the Emperor made a deal with the Mechanicum at the start of the Crusade that could be summed up as they give him guns and tech support and in return he won't make them abandon their religion and would turn over any forge worlds and STC data he recovered. The agreement still holds because the AdMech has kept up their sideas of the bargain (mostly) and it's not a good idea to piss of the one group of people who know more or less how that 5 kilometer long starship works and how to fix it if it breaks.

>The holy grail of a techpriest would probably be to master time travel so they could go back in time, slap Ben Franklin's shit and make him change electric charge to positive instead of negative.
God, don't tempt me.

The Inquisition is still an Imperial Institution. The Mechanicus is not, it is an allied but seperate Imperium. The series 'The beast arises' sheds some light on that, as does 'Carrion Throne'. Inquisitors have no command over the mechanicus and so the admech aid because they want to, because they feel it is within the confines of their allied status or because the affected techpriest(s) face cooperation or an airlock.

In Beast arises they had to land on mars to get them to follow their orders and even then they only convinced them but did not defeat them (loosing quite a lot of SM in the Process)

In Vaults of Terra: Carrion Throne the Inquisitor steps onto admech territory on terra and the book goes into some detail describing that he is literally tresspassing, outside of his domain, even though this is on terra.

Add all of that to the fact they are quite irreplacable and you ahve all the reason why the Inquisition does nothing about them. They do not tolerate it, they are by all means unable to change it.

>an Imperial Institution

With absolute authority, granted to them by the Emperor himself. Not the Emperor? Fuck you, you're going on the naughty list.

>seperate from the Imperium
>have a seat in the High Lords

Does not compute.

>"Just as the Ordo Hereticus pay close attention to the Ecclesiarchy, the Ordo Machinum scrutinise the Adeptus Mechanicus. Specifically, they are concerned with the reintegration of recovered STC variants into the Imperium’s armies and the rare adoptions of alien technologies into established Mechanicum protocols. The purpose here is twofold. Firstly, the Ordo Machinum ensure that laxness on the part of the Omnissiah’s worshippers does not permit a flawed technology to enter the Emperor’s service. More importantly, the Ordo Machinum ensures that no Magos is tempted to withhold vital systems from other factions of the Adeptus Terra with a view to increasing the Adeptus Mechanicus’ power within the Imperium."

>"Inquisitors of the Ordo Machinum often accompany Adeptus Mechanicus archaeological teams to distant worlds, the better to see for themselves exactly what has been recovered. They often work in concert with the Ordo Xenos – especially when the world in question has been under alien control or there is any suggestion of non-human origin for the technology the Adeptus Mechanicus seek to recover."

Cogfags, when will they learn.

You dumbfucks do realize that basically everyone that doesnt worship Emps, worships Chaos, c'tan or something similar, right? Theu definitely care

What the fuck do they know about any of what the cogboys get up to to even begin to understand what counts as heretical, useful, broken, interesting or outright dangerous to everyone around? By the time they DO know any of this, they're basically a cogboy themselves and would STILL be ignorant of the vast majority of what the Mechanicus holds back.

You do realize vast majority of Marine legions don't worship the Emperor as a god, right?

Inquisition predates the Ecclesiarchy. Hereticus was specifically made to rein in them, to make sure they don't get out of hand and adhere to the decree passiva. Inquisition doesn't care how pious you are, they merely make sure you follow your orders and don't cause trouble to the Imperium. Hell, in Legacy there's a scene where the Adeptus Arbites raid an Ecclesiarchy compound, because they're punishing people for things that aren't illegal, such as not being pious enough.

>"Just as the Ordo Hereticus pay close attention to the Ecclesiarchy, the Ordo Machinum scrutinise the Adeptus Mechanicus. Specifically, they are concerned with the reintegration of recovered STC variants into the Imperium’s armies and the rare adoptions of alien technologies into established Mechanicum protocols. The purpose here is twofold. Firstly, the Ordo Machinum ensure that laxness on the part of the Omnissiah’s worshippers does not permit a flawed technology to enter the Emperor’s service. More importantly, the Ordo Machinum ensures that no Magos is tempted to withhold vital systems from other factions of the Adeptus Terra with a view to increasing the Adeptus Mechanicus’ power within the Imperium."
Wait what? I thought the Mechanicus had their own 'inquisition' that took care of this.

t. not an admech-fag

The porton is bigger than electron and could beat electron in a fight, therefore its charge gets to be considered positive.

>I thought the Mechanicus had their own 'inquisition' that took care of this.

Who watches the watchmen dot jay peg.

Almost no Mechanicus venerates C'tan. Faith makes the god. Not the other way around

To effectively police the AdMech, you'd have to be a Techpriest and thus part of the AdMech. So we're right back to them just policing themselves.

This does not seem to include internal stuff. The discription makes it rather clear the Ordo mostly keeps tabs on the interactions of the AdMech with the other Adeptus.

The wording of the citation supports you, user. The Inquisition watches outgoing stuff of the Cogbros. Not internal stuff.

They watch them like Hereticus watches the Ecclesiarchy.

Main point is that Admech is being watched, meaning the Inquisition does have leverage over them. Unless we're going to argue the Inquisition has no hold over the Ecclesiarchy either.

A minor Ordos 'watches' cogboys going about their business while likely having absolutely no clue what any of the tech can do, will do or may do while only made aware of what it should do from a Techpriest. Said Inquisitor could try to get a better understanding of technology, but then they're stepping into AdMech territory and most cogboys are ignorant of most things going on and intentionally kept that way by their superiors. This is a doomed prospect.

Tech-illiterate grandma looking over a L337 H4x0r's shoulder to 'keep an eye on them' won't get very far.

>implying Inquisition doesn't have resources to get people with the right kind of technological knowledge to help them decipher through Admech bullshit

If gangs on Necromunda can make their own weapons and gadgets without Admech supervision, surely something like the Inquisition has power to find individuals with enough technological knowledge to give them a hand. Custodes got all their weapons and equipment made without the Admech.

>be Inquisitor of Ordo Machinum
>almost all my acolytes are Tech-Priests
>have to trust their word because they're only ones who know technology
The AdMech humors the Inquisition by allowing that Ordos exist. Hell, given , it seems like Ordo Machinum is customer service for the AdMech.

Tech-Marines are distrusted by their chapter because their loyalties towards the Mechanicus. They're essentially fully anointed tech-priests. And gangers use hereteks. If the Inquisition started using them, the AdMech would stop selling to them and supporting their current tech. Inquisitors would be falling over themselves to string up whoever ordered it in order to curry favor with the AdMech. So would most Imperial Institutions.

The Imperium is not an Absolute Monarchy. No organization has absolute power. The Inquisition has the power to technically investigate any organization in the Imperium, but that is just it. They rely on the approval of everyone else to actually see that someone is punished.

The Prefecture Magisterium, yeah. They deal with hereteks and lock their stuff up in stasis vaults SCP style, except their Malagra agents are known for being terrifying and occasionally deciding to stab some irritating Inquisitor or Space Marine who won't get out of their mechadendrite hair. Magisterium doesn't deal with external affairs, the Custodes and =][= don't pry into the Admech's internal politics and the Ordo Machinum is a small Ordo that mostly follows Explorator Fleets around.

>everyone is 100% loyal to the admech, they control everything and there is no way for anyone to ever prove otherwise, because anyone who would know anything would never, ever go against the interests of the mechanicus

A lot of loyalty for a hired grease gun.

Makes you wonder how some chapters can withhold technology from the Admech. I thought techmarines would spill the beans about Baal predators and other things the moment they got a hold of the STC.

>Tech-Marines are distrusted by their chapter
>"Upon returning to their Chapter, they become custodians of the Armoury – Space Marines of dual loyalties, pledged by blood to their Chapter, but bound in mind to the Omnissiah. Despite this dichotomy, Techmarines are held in great esteem."

>everyone is 100% loyal to the admech
It's the fucking opposite. No one in the AdMech trusts anyone else and no reasonably powerful or knowledgeable member of the AdMech is divulging anything to anyone if they can help it. No one knows most things about tech *inside* the Mechanicus itself so some outsider swaggering along to 'inspect' them is so far out of their depth I gotta imagine its some sort of joke the higher-up cogboys still find amusing somehow.

You don't need to understand technology to read numbers. If Mechanicum engages in an operation somewhere, there's a lot of chatter about excavations and possible discoveries, then a lot of radio silence as the fleet comes back fast, resources are diverted into unknown projects and at some point that forge world is brandishing a new tank in their arsenal, then it doesn't take a genius to figure out they might have found something they're not telling you about.

You think the only way we catch criminals is busting down their door and finding them red handed with a smoking gun?

Gilly still hasn`t re-forged Ultramar`s 500 worlds into a united entity, let alone reformed it to make it strong and efficient. Planetary governors opposed this for literal cetury while G-man has been running across Imperium Nihilus with his jolly crusade, which gives us a good idea about how inert Imperium is.

He is also dependant on AdMech like everybody else and didn`t dare to replace Fabricator General with his boy Cawl even though he technically has a right to do it as an Imperial Regent and Voice of the Emperor (and he did it to half the Senatorum Imperialis).

And that's just admitting that Inquisitors are left with investigating the smallest percentages of the surface level of the shit Techpriests get up to.

The thing with the new tank, or really anything Forge worlds churn out is that no one, not even native Techpriests know just what their bosses have squirreled away. So that tank could've been found last year, last century or in the last millennia.

It comes down to cogboys having a monopoly on tech and the related knowledge. Outsiders can *use* tech and more or less know what it's *suppose* to do and when it's not doing it, but almost no one save Techpriests actually *know* what it's doing. One can hide all sorts of functions and processes in technology, so long as, on the surface, it also does what others believe it should do from what they've been told.

Inquisition doesn't care how you run your operation, as long as you're not harming the Imperium. Just like with the Ecclesiarchy. They can do what they want, as long as it's within the parameters set to them.

Cops don't run your life, user, but if you get up to no good, you will go to jail.

That's cause Bobby, like most smart Inquisitors appreciates the difference between the theoretical power to do something and the bloodbath(likely even civil war) that would be the reality. He *can* do a lot of things and is smart/wise enough to know he *shouldn't* do many of them(at least not the stupidly naive ones).

The Adeptus Mechanicus is a remnant of the Mechanicum, who were the only faction the Imperium never conquered, but allied with. For all of the great crusade, it was the imperium conquering the galaxy, with the Mech. fueling their war machine and in return claiming every 1 in 20 planets or so, turning them into forge worlds, which could then better fuel the imperial war machine, and so forth. It was a mutually beneficial relationship, so nobody wanted to mess with it, they were effectively one empire, so the Emperor didn't really care that legally they were separate corporations. However, because of this Imperial Law never applied to the Mech., and neither did the Imperial Truth, they were free to worship their C'tan while the rest of humanity were conscripted into the fedora legions.
Then came the horus heresy, and there was a bigger divide in the Mech. than there was in the imperium, and it completely tore them apart.
After the Horus Heresy, the Mech. was a shadow of its former self, having lost no insignificant number of forge worlds and keystone officials. In addition, the Imperium had completely lost their trust in the Mech., as the fear of them siding with rebels again was there. So the remnants of the Mech. decided to officially join the imperium, on their own terms. Their list of conditions included the continuation of their religious autonomy, and their right to continue investing in select forge worlds, instead of distributing their resources out into the imperium.
The weakened imperium realized that there was no way they could actually beat the Mechanicum in a war so soon after the heresy, as they were still 100% dependent on them for manufacturing and technology, and so kindly accepted their terms.
So there you go. The AdMech had everything set long before the Ecclesiarchy or Inquisition even existed. The Ecclesiarchy could never touch the AdMech, as they were already completely integral to the Imperium long before the Ecclesiarchy was a thing.

Yes, exactly. He is also creeped out by Cawl building a literal fucking A.I.

What a fucking newfag.

The Mechanicum existed long before the Inquisition, and are far more powerful in the grand scheme of things, and why would the Inquisition even give a fuck about the Ministorum's dogma?

You ever read foundation?
The second through ffifth? chapters detail how you can take over the entire galaxy through nothing but technology and faith, and controlling the MEANS OF PRODUCTION
as long as psykers don't fuck you up
But yeah the AdMech are very clearly ripped from the Foundation's own religious order of engineers.

The issue here is that these 'cops' have no clue what 'getting up to no good' actually means or even looks like. Stuff blowing up into deamons is about when they'd start suspecting that something might just be afoot here. So long as something looks like Imperial tech and acts like Imperial tech, it passes muster cause the insides are pretty much a black box to any outsiders.

Yet somehow we have an Ordo doing to them just what Hereticus does to Ecclesiarchy, so I'm sorry if I'm a little more inclined to believe the actual fluff over your headcanon.

wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Treaty_of_Olympus
educate yourself, pleb

Because the Imperium would be nothing without the Adeptus Mechanicus

>Fake nerd tagging along with cogboys while being made fun of in binary.
Excuse me if I don't take them seriously.

A minor Ordo.

The only ones with significant reach and presence are Malleus, Hereticus and Xenos.

But there is practically zero fluff on this ordo, leading one to believe they are one of the thousands of tiny, very specific ordos where every inquisitor can fit into a small room. Ordo Chronos has more lore than these guys, and they were so bad at their job the date could be 1000 years off either way.
AdMech are pretty damn efficient at purging faulty links in the organisation, the only reason Cawl has been allowed to get so Heretikal is because he's ten thousand years old and best buddies with Girlyman, and the Imperium and Inquisition don't have a much better track record for rooting out corruption at the very highest rank. Meanwhile, the second a lower-ranking techpriest so much as asks "Hey, why DON'T we use more automata?" He gets quietly recycled behind a shed and is never mentioned again.

That 'fluff' is from 6e Inquisition codex. They accompany explorators on their search for stc's. They do jack to 'regulate' or controll the vast remainder of the mechanicus

The Mechanicus predates the Inquisition,and is pretty much the most useful organisation.You know,because they mass produce the Imperium's technology.

Can someone please explain to me how the Inquisition tolerated Navigators?

I’m assuming that the Navigators just tell everyone “We are absolutely critical to the function of the Empire. Achssually, why don't you kill anyone who ever sees our true forms, ok?”

I just don’t get it.

>true forms
What?
They're just inbred humans with three eyes?

What are you gonna do? Look into the warp yourself and steer? Have fun with that.
Yes, Navigators are so ridiculously critical to the functioning of the imperium that the Inquisition is ... careful around them

He's mocking the retarded OP question.