/STG/ - Star Trek General

At what point in the transport process can you not be injured from the beam out point? Half way?

More than that, seems like you've got to be entirely de-materialised.

The TNG episode "A Matter of Perspective" doesn't support that assessment. I'm pretty sure we've seen energy beams cross through people in transport without incident in other episodes too. In other episodes we've also seen matter get mixed in with the transport and cause issues, like in Enterprise episode "Strange New World."

We also see in the Voyager episode "Friendship One" that you can be mortally wounded if somebody shoots through a mostly dematerialised body.
The IRL answer is we're looking for internal consistency where writers haven't tried to be consistent.
The in setting answer would be something like; depending on the type of weapon and intensity of the beam/projectile, the transporter may or may not be able to compensate to protect the passenger.

youtube.com/watch?v=s2wBtcmE5W8
And in ST6 they're partially dematerialized when the Klingon start shooting, but fine otherwise.

Fuck the Trek movie Blu Rays have a lot of DNR.
Nemesis and the JJ movies are the only ones that don't look like waxy messes.

I'm having trouble figuring out exactly how far the klingon war front has moved in the nine months since disco went on Mister Lorca's Wild Ride.

As far as the plot demands.

From the border we’re familiar with up to within striking distance the founding worlds of the Federation.

Maybe it's wishful thinking but given that they showed MU Andorians and Tellarites, I hope that Discovery actually shows us all the founding species working together in this arc.

I think they said something like 20% of the Federation is gone in the preview trailer.

yeah they said 20% of fed territory is occupied and 1/3 of the fleet is wrecked, but i don't know how to translate that into territory lines. also those kinds of losses are devastating but able to be recovered from.

>also those kinds of losses are devastating but able to be recovered from.

Especially when you have a drive that can take you to any point in time and space, in this universe and every other.

Well don't worry. The Feds canonically win this and eventually make peace with the Klinks. Don't sweat the details too hard.

i'm not worried. i was just stating it's not a war footing that beggars belief to recover from. it's just that you need some serious heroics and tactical victories to turn that kind of situation around

They have the power of plot, man. It's gonna shake out that plot happens and the Klingons lose and give up all their territory. Maybe a superweapon will be involved.

So, show of hands: Are you betting that the Federation is going to push the Klingons back militarily and the current starmap will have "really" happened within the primary timeline, or are they going to go back in time Yesterday's Enterprise style and stop the Klingons from making the gains they did?

i just hope the solution isn't more spores. i'm spore'd out. just. just let the win be tactics or something man. don't try to jump back to when you left.

I'm betting on the latter. It'd make sense given the storytelling style that STD seems to have going on.

I'd love some Andorian and Tellorite crew members or reoccurring characters. I don't mind Game of Thrones In Space, but give us some classic Stat Trek too.

>yfw the few federation ship left are forced to scavenge for supplies in a unforgiving and harsh frontier.

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A few episodes ago I was expecting Discovery to end up stuck in the MU and found out and have to make it on their own for a while, Voyager style. Maybe they still will.

Before Lorca's wild ride

according to the map in here and based on the pre-wild ride event, the Klingons are now within striking distance of Vulcan, Andoria and are extremely close to Starbase 12.

Maybe Starfleet gets saved by Deus Ex Romulan Star Empire, seeing as we know a bunch of those systems will eventually be Romulan.

Just finished watching Enterprise, and suprisingly I would say I enjoyed it more than I did watching Voyager. It might have helped that with Voyager I had watched Deep Space Nine and Voyager can't really compete with that.

Enterprise Seasons 1 and 2 where very bland but they felt like Star Trek, I wish they had dropped the bloody Temporal Cold War shit and gone with making relationships with nearby powers and really shown the start what would become Federation. Season 3 about 2/3s of it I did not like it one bit, the last episodes save alot of that season, but alot of it felt like Jack Bauer in space. Season 4 is what I would have liked to see in first two seasons condensed into one season. Last episode was kinda, well lackluster farewell to a series. Atleast I knew it was coming so I wasn't as dissapointed then people that saw it first time.

...No Romulan Star Empire?

Eh, while season 3 does kind of feel like it was a tonal change entirely to try to boost ratings, it's also great as a "Grand Test" of what Starfleet's model captain would do under extreme circumstances.

For reference.

Not a bad Idea, I'm gonna burn through the ranks over the weekend and see what options open up for me, anyway.

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Point of order, the NX has a much better track record of surviving catastrophic damage.

I agree man. Enterprise has a lot of really solid episodes and the production feels classier than Voyager.

Enterprise is the Trek show I've come to appreciate most, after re-watching. I still despise the time travel elements, as I do in all Star Trek and, honestly all science fiction. However I like the way Enterprise made Humans small. In all other iterations of tar Trek, humanity is basically top dog or near as makes no odds. That's not neccesarily a bad thing, but it limits the story telling opportunities you have. At it's best, Enterprise explored how Humanity might earn its place amongst other space faring nations and prove to be an asset. At it's worst... sex pebbles.

ENT did do a good job of showing the stumbling of an early humanity in a big galaxy. Maybe STD has just put it into perspective, but aside from the occasional hokey line or bit of bad acting (and time travel), I can't really see why I used to dislike it (though I wasn't quite on the hardcore hate train a lot of people were).

I think my main issue is how close this is to the TOS setting, yet it does stuff that can't really be resolved in that little time, has technologies that would be a major disruption of the entire timeline, and then there's the extensive Mirror Universe shit, when Kirk's transporter accident was supposed to be the first 2-way contact, vs the Defiant's inter-dimensional/temporal transit that left it 100 years in the past and the crew dead.

End of season cliffhanger tweest: this was the mirror mirror universe all along, and the Feds don't survive this.

I think STD just makes it look totally fine in comparison

I'd burn the studio to the ground.

It's hated because you could see potential in it. You could see what could have been. You could see the viewership stunts they did in voyager refined to the point of cynicism. Early on, people didn't grow or learn from mistakes unless the plot called for it and then swiftly forgot it.Characters would flipflop positions to suit the plot message of the episode. By the time they realized things had to change it was too late and the whole thing was crashing and burning, but at least it crashed gracefully. late s2 and into season three people, characters started to develop and have their own character that wasn't just caricature of their ship role. But the damage was done.

mainly the problem was idiocy. people were written stupid. what should have been legendary early fed figures came off as morons who wouldn't have passed modern day astronaut training. B&B meddled too much, forcing shit into odd shapes.what's funny is the best early ent episodes were the ones they had the least involvement in.

But then they could restart with an actual Star Trek series!

I don't think Archer didn't seem like a NASA employee.

an employee? sure. Someone actually rated to go up in a ship? not even close

Disagree. What's wrong with him that isn't just standard Trek captain hollywoodization?

Archer acts like an arrogant moron out of his league. Now this by itself isn't actually a bad thing because it was pretty clear early on that humanity intentionally made the arrogant jackass their first captain to stick it to the Vulcans. The problem is Archer never actually gets any character development where he stops being a jackass, and ends up written as inconsistently as Janeway. He's supposed to end up being this diplomat who unites the races and becomes the first Federation President, but in every diplomatic encounter it feels like he lucks out instead of actually earning his accolades.

Disagree. Archer is polite and measured when he has to be.

>but in every diplomatic encounter it feels like he lucks out instead of actually earning his accolades.
That can have its own charm. What respectable diplomat would solve an oath of vengeance between two parties by taking the fight himself?

being in charge of starfleet's first major exploration ship

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sorry, i meant to say his istorical role and relative closeness to modern day means he has a higher expectations bar than the other captains

Why?

the farther away from our point of reference, the more willing we are to accept unrealistic things. Enterprise being the closest point to modern day means there's a mild expectation that it cleaves closest to how things work in reality. (despite the fact that trek is full on alternate reality to us, diverging a little after world war 2)

>sorry, i meant to say his istorical role and relative closeness to modern day means he has a higher expectations bar than the other captains
Kirk, Picard, Janeway, and Sisko all had command over an arsenal that could sterilize an entire sector of life if they became so disposed.

But it does cleave closest.

Enterprise is 133 years from now, and 88 after first contact.

>mainly the problem was idiocy. people were written stupid. what should have been legendary early fed figures came off as morons who wouldn't have passed modern day astronaut training.

Yes. This is what I was getting at in the last thread. There's no professionalism about them in the first couple of seasons. It's enough to make you wonder how they managed to get the Enterprise up and running in the first place.

Do you remember the episode where his dog started an interstellar incident by peeing on a tree? And how Archer was absolutely incensed at the whole thing, blaming the aliens? While I would say Trip, Reed, and Mayweather were worse than Archer on the professionalism front in the early episodes, that doesn't mean Archer was anywhere near good. Anyway, if I weren't exhausted and on my way to bed I'd hit up every episode that displays the issue and describe what I feel is wrong. Instead you'll just have to settle for the fact that despite the flaws I still like the show, I just don't think it's without its flaws, and this is a major one to me.

What the fuck are you babbling about? TNG and DS9 had mad levels of professionalism among the main cast. It's from this standard that we see Archer and company failing miserably.

picard is well respected for being a diplomat and shows it on screen.Kirk is a cowboy with actual morals. Janeway is an actual fucking crazy person so all bets are off. Like. christ i don't know how she got to be a captain what the fuck. Sisko.... is sisko. he does whatever he wants because he'll just punch the evil until it's dead.

Early Archer just. fails at everything and only accidentally does things right when he does them right. It's weird.

at this point i'm probably talking out of my ass just to stave off boredom and bump the thread.Continue talking about whatever else.

>Kirk is a cowboy with actual morals.
Maybe you should watch TOS again. Kirk is a thoughtful, diplomatic, and extremely intelligence-based character who resorts to violence only as needed.

"Cowboy" in the sense that he's basically in the wild west frontier and doesn't have the luxury of being able to go strictly by the book like Picard does.

>when the AI decides to write an episode of TNG

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Not an AI. It's predictive text

>Worf: "you have disgraced my father with those words"

Yeah, but that was kinda his point. Those four were all just one out of many. Janeway especially was just a lady in command of some minor ship, and Sisko was just a guy running a space station.

Archer wasn't just *a* Starfleet captain, he was the *first* Starfleet captain, the guy in command of the ship registered 01. So he ought to have been the absolute best of the best available.

>a big circle with a porch

I mean... yeah, basically.

Still better than STD.

someone was gonna say it. They wouldn't have been wrong.

Do you guys think think Gene intentionally modeled the Klingons, Vulcans, and Romulans after orcs, elves, and dark elves (respectively) or was it just coincidence?

Predicting based on what?

>So he ought to have been the absolute best of the best available.
He got the job from nepotism and brought his innumerate SCUBA instructor buddy from Florida with him, what do you expect.

If you wanted to press a Norse mythology connection there's also the Tellarites (dwarves) and Andorians (jotnar.)

But I think it's just a coincidence if it's there at all.

Dark Elves weren't a thing in 1964 so I'll have to say coincidence.

...What? They were "a thing" since the 1200's at the very least.

"Botnik Studios, which previously created the J.K. Rowling-like masterpiece Harry Potter and the Portrait of What Looked Like a Large Pile of Ash, has created an episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation created with predictive keyboards that were taught syntax based on all seven seasons of the series."

Ah, so it's fairly heavily edited then. They're selecting fragments and picking voices. It's no great evil.

>Janeway especially was just a lady in command of some minor ship,
She was handed a brand-new, state of the art ship with only 1-3 others of the class in service right out of Utopia Planitia with the expectation on taking it on its own on extreme-range exploration missions, which are literal multiple first contact scenarios.

If Voyager were a Miranda-class I could see your point.

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>He got the job from nepotism
Pretty sure that wasn't the only reason he was one of the lead test pilots. In fact, in the flashback episode, it's pretty blatant that he ground his way up there because it was his father's legacy, not that he was handed it.

>and brought his innumerate SCUBA instructor buddy from Florida with him, what do you expect.
You mean the guy who was already working there and had proven to be a damn good hand with the technology?

As we've seen from TNG, while first contact scenarios are something every captain has the possibility of facing, the Federation prefers to keep first contact as planned out and controlled as possible. Start with long-range scans and probes that aren't likely to be detected by pre-warp cultures, move to detailed ship scans, send in some agents disguised as local populace, plan out your first contact as much as possible. A long-range science vessel like Voyager would handle the scanning, while the actual first contact would be done by ambassadors or captains with more diplomatic experience like Picard. Even first contact with a warp-capable species would be more just touching base and saying hi, making sure they're not hostile, and then letting the Federation send a diplomatic party while Voyager goes on to scan the next hidden Romulan spy base, I mean gaseous anomaly.

The fantasy Dark Elves. Rommies are nothing like the Norse Dark Elves.

I'm wrapping up Season 1 of TNG as my first Trek show (seen some TOS movies before) and I actually really like it.

The only bad episodes were the ones about the Zulu Shaka Planet of Ungabungas and.The Very Special Episode About Drugs.

But Worf's episode was really fun and so was even the one about Wesley's career.

I don't even see what is "early Riker is an asshole" about. At most, he just seems a little bland and his favourite pastime is VR porn, but I really can't blame the guy.

But everyone tells me that Season 3 is where this gets *good*.

Season 1 is shaky but you can see the potential. Season 2 has a lot of shitty episodes (The Royale comes to mind as does Shades of Grey). Season 3 is when the quality is pretty unequivocally good across the board.

If the Saurian Brandy glasses weren't 150 fucking dollars, I'd buy them. I was hoping for like 20 bucks. I was sorely disappointed.

Honestly if you're in Season 1 of TNG thinking "hey this is pretty good" then you're probably in for some good times because as far as Trek goes it's pretty crap.

Enjoy not having to see Riker's baby face anymore.

Between Shades of Grey and the episode where Wesley accidentally nanobots ft. Dr. Kelso TNG has the largest jump in quality I've ever seen in anything.

I might be somehow tuning out the bad parts because I shamefully have attention span troubles and thus mostly watch TV shows to accompany whatever else is it that I'm doing. TNG is good for that because I can sometimes zone out in places and the episodic planet-of-the-week format makes it easy to catch up on whatever is going on in case I focus on my own proverbial thumbs for a few too many seconds, but I'm not missing out on any continuity by doing so. It works for me.

I'm just having a good time. I like Michael Dorn's voice a lot. Patrick Stewart is good to see onscreen. Data is adorable. The bad moments are sometimes just really funny. The stories so far have been at least inspiring to appropriate for use in whatever Veeky Forums things I'd like to do. I am *really* looking forward to where the story will take Lt. Worf as his personal episode in late S1 was just good fun, even if the "villain" motivation was flimsy at times.

>I might be somehow tuning out the bad parts because I shamefully have attention span troubles and thus mostly watch TV shows to accompany whatever else is it that I'm doing. TNG is good for that because I can sometimes zone out in places and the episodic planet-of-the-week format makes it easy to catch up on whatever is going on in case I focus on my own proverbial thumbs for a few too many seconds, but I'm not missing out on any continuity by doing so

Star Trek in general is the absolute best for this. If you just want to relax, or have something on while you work, or sit on the couch with a significant other, it's the best go-to. Sometimes you'll get a great episode that completely ropes you in and other times you'll get a so-so episode that you can safely tune out for a bit but is still comfy and entertaining.

If that's your thing you'll probably also enjoy Voyager, even though a lot of people dislike it.

>If that's your thing you'll probably also enjoy Voyager
Thank you, Quadrupleman. I was on the fence about checking it out because I like the lady behind Cpt. Janeway for her performance in Orange is the New Black, but I think I'm just gonna take a straight run through TNG->DS9->VOY throughout the next couple years.

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What hero Ship has the best track record of surviving the most catastrophic damage? Im tempted to say Voyager, cause of Year of Hell.