The Great Debate

The Emperor is already working on it once GW runs out of special snowflake superhumans to spell and 2nd Great Crusade kicks off.

Didn't Draigo used to be T5?

Kinda wish he returned there since he's a badass.

>dumb super super solider who's even more speshuler than a normal super solider
or
>dumb super super solider who's even more speshuler than a normal super solider

Whoever wins the setting wins with one less of them

Primaris Guardsmen when?

>inb4 they're all Cadians

draigo comes with a helmet, so he's my choice

GK terminators are a real slick design

We get it, you're blind. You've posted this before.

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Ahahaha Grey knights banished to the SoB and manlet DW clay ahahaha. Go back to Inquisition, you can live in zoo with Jokaero monkey hahaha.

gold is first place silver is second duh

At least the age old debate of "Grey Knights vs Custodes" has finally been settled.

Season 5 a shit! A SHIT!!

>Custodes Players

This. Absolutely user.

They're both dumb and the Sue-est of Mary Sues, and players who use either of them get me shaking my head. BUT if I had to pick, I'm going to go with the one who has gone out and done things and made a name for himself (even if in the most fan-fiction-y way) over the guy who sat on terra running the janitor patrol and doing shit else since.

Even during the siege he let Rogal Dorn do all the work for him! He's not even the most golden gold boi!

Halberd > Sword
Nothing to debate there

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Tempestus Scions fuck for point them, marinelets and chadmarines.
And are feel elite compared to say, conscripts, and have special weapons and equipments.
But feel human and relatable.
Get on my level.

So how close to Custodes are Primaris SM?

>one sits all day on terra wondering where it all went so wrong
>the other is literally nonstop shitting the chaosgods in their yard for all eternity

this isnt even a debate.

Way too busy, FW what the hell?

Lol naked unarmed Draigo would wipe the floor with that Gaytodes

>one is written by a good author
>the other Matt Ward

This is a slaanesh champion, right?

w-wait, is that-
>looks him up on the FW website

Holy fuck, Valdor a beast

your opinion a shit

I didn't mind Custodes when they were back in the fluff just being super marines that nearly nobody has seen in 10k years, but giving them rules and making it so they leave the Imperial Palace was a mistake just like making primaris marines.

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YOU STEPPED INTO THE WRONG PALACE, MOTHERFUCKER

Yet another example of GW's masterful sculpting.

Fukkin' saved.

Kek

I always got confused when people talked about stuff being overdesigned but jesus christ I can't even tell what I'm looking at anymore.

Also what's wrong with his faaaaace?!

that first sentence is a fucking train wreck user, are you ok? Are you having a stroke?

After the first 3 episodes, a shit.

Never had I... But this golden faggot makes Draigo of all people look good. God, I thought we'd get rid of the Mary Sues once the primarchs get statted and modelled.

Besides, we already have the best gilded Mary Sue faggot there could be. We don't need the army of overpriced knockoffs.

I'm really liking the new Custodes. Especially the little gryphon-dogs.

>Skill of users
Unless you are going to argue that a more skilled swordsman could never beat a less skilled halberdier?
Please dont tell me you are that same faggot

>armoured gauntlet
>leather glove over it
>strap a metal vambrace over that

>grandmaster of an order dedicated to jacking off and looking pretty while real soldiers do real soldier stuff
vs
>grandmaster of an order dedicated to murder the greatest enemy there is, anywhere it might be
Is that actually a question?

That's a seriously hideous model. Like, designing such garbage should be punishable by law.

Okay, simple question:
An army of grey knights, vs, an army of custodes: which will cost fewer of my dollarydoos to field?

Depending on the roster. Gey knights in general, as you can easily buy used.

Depends. Legal fees were pretty hefty last time someone pronounced it "cusstoads", but Grey Knights is pretty hard to fuck up the pronunciation

Reminds me of the old hyper-stylized 40k art pieces

Honestly, I don't think that looking "powerful" or "cool" should be the total arbiter of good mini sculpting. Like David before Goliath Draigo is facing an impossible task. It makes sense that he should be cowering and humanizes rather than deflating him.

Except that art looks good.

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Why do they wear leather gloves?

Except he’s not human.

Aesthetics

>So how close to Custodes are Primaris SM?
Probably not very. They're just slightly spacier Space Marines. A few more Gene Seed organs and a couple of inches. Slightly more physically able.

Rather than being surgically/chemically augmented as teens like Marines, Custodes are taken in infancy and have some odd bullshittery done to them at a genetic level with super duper secret science and psyker shenaigans that alters them on a cellular level. Their bodies are so OP that they're forced to retire if they lose and limb or have to get artificial eyes, because they're not as good.

A normal marine is a Ford Focus. A Primaris is like a decent Lexus, Audi, or something. Custodes are Bugatti's. Which is why they can't have more than like 10k of them.

Draigo carved his name onto a Daemon-Primarch's heart. He's the epitome of an OP Gary Stu.

You didn't even read that story.

Why is that stupid? Medieval gauntlets don't cover the inside of your hand with plates, only the glove because you need to grip the weapon. If you ever made a gauntlet that had completely enclosed hands it would make gripping a weapon nigh impossible. The handle and/or your gauntlet would need something to make it easier to hold the weapon. Leather or something would fit the bill.

Not his name, but the name of his predecessor, who Mortarion had killed.

Cuckstodes does D3 damage.

Chadlor Draigo does 3 damage.

Nuff said.

>I'm glad some user fixed it, those tropy and spear look awful.

Fixed.

>Like David before Goliath Draigo is facing an impossible task
Way to completely miss the point of that story. David had a sling. By the standards of the day he's the guy who brought a gun to a sword fight. It's not a story about overcoming impossible odds, it's about how *seemingly* impossible situations are entirely manageable with faith and preparation.

>tfw custodes are to grey knights what primaris are to manlet marines

will grey knights EVER recover? their signature walker is literally a manlet with leg extenders

This is an unpopular opinion but I think the Walker idea is pretty neat, the only part I think is stupid is how the body of the knight Doesn't have any additional armor to protect from concentrated fire.

He's supposed to have a force field or void shield to protect him.
And I've seen some conversions that add some protection.
It's just that the base model has that absolutely retarded baby carrier look.

>babymarine
>baby carrier

it just works

>Dreadnoughts are baby carriers for babies who got hurt on the playground
Neat

>mfw I'm actually planning on doing that with one of my banana bois

Kitty.

At least we can agree kharn would turn them both into ground beef

Marines have no problems holding onto weapons without leather gloves. The gloves are there purely for aesthetic reasons, and when you cover that aesthatic leather glove with a big metal plate, what's the point? It's like putting silk panties over your boxes but under your trousers. It's there, but nobody sees it and you don't even feel it. If you need extra protection, make the gauntlets tougher and put the gloves on top of them, or have smaller gloves just for the hands so the plate doesn't need to cover any leather gloves beneath it.

Kharn lost to Abaddon.

Are you fucking thick in the head!? The fight was broken up by a Bloodthirster and a legion of Bloodletters. Get you facts straight before you talk about my boy. Kharn had bitch-boy Abaddon on his heels the whole fight.

Second that

Wrong. Abaddon was holding back and was beating the shit out of Kharn. If Abaddon wanted he could have ended the battle the second it started.

And just before the BT came, Abaddon had Kharn pinned with Drach'nyen descending on him. Kharn was fainting and had no way to survive Abaddon's kill blow.

Face it, Kharn is a weakling.

Reading through it again, I stand corrected. But let's be honest. Kharn has done more in 10k years than Abaddon has done in 13 black crusades. Points back to Kharn.

Kharn just went on solo kill sprees mostly for the past 10K years. Abaddon 13 Black Crusade killed billions upon billions and forwarded the cause of Chaos more than anything else, and that earned him the favor of all four gods.

That's why Khorne had Kharn act as Abaddon's errand boy. You gotta face that facts, Khorne favors Abaddon more than Kharn.

Thunder Warriors son.

Kharn has collected more skulls for the throne personally than Abaddon ever has. Khorne begrudgingly gave his favor to Abaddon. There is no scenario in which Khorne would ever chose Abaddon of Kharn. Abaddon doesn't even fight his own battles. Especially after he almost died to Celestine during the battle of Cadia. Let's be honest here. All of the favored champions of the gods, Lucius, Typhus, Kharn and Ahriman and way better characters than Abaddon will ever be

>primaris guardsmen are better than marines

Nope, stop being a clueless salty biatch.

Abaddon is known to lead from the front like when he stormed Sigismund's ship, siege of the Kromach, the massacre at Makan, etc. Abaddon is known for his bloodlust and desire to test himself against powerful opponents. He is at home leading men on the bloodstained battlefield. He is responsibly for more death and bloodshed than any Chaos marine out there in the galaxy. Khorne favor wasn't given grudgingly, it was will earned because Abaddon painted the galaxy red many times over.

>Especially after he almost died to Celestine during the battle of Cadia.

Celestine was nowhere near to killing Abaddon. She was outmatched the whole fight. All she managed to do was inflict a minor wound on Abaddon before fleeing from him.

> All of the favored champions of the gods, Lucius, Typhus, Kharn and Ahriman and way better characters than Abaddon will ever be

Am I suppose to take the opinion of someone as misinformed as you?

>There is no scenario in which Khorne would ever chose Abaddon of Kharn.

Except he did. Khorne gave Abaddon the leash of Kharn. Kharn belongs to Abaddon now.

>All she managed to do was inflict a minor wound on Abaddon before fleeing from him.

Didn't he teleport away from her because the situation (His ability to retreat) was vanishing?

New stormcast eternals?

>All she managed to do was inflict a minor wound

The wound was described as the most pain he could remember suffering. That's not really 'minor', no matter how you spin it.

You wanna know how little Abaddon thinks of Kharn as a warrior? Abaddon was willing to fight the Bloodthister and bloodletter horde on top of Kharn if Khorne's promise was denied to him.

That's badass.

Compare the armour/design in that sketch to the model. It's much simpler/cleaner.

>The wound was described as the most pain he could remember suffering.

Which means that few warriors ever managed to actually wound him. Stubbing my toe was the most pain I can remember, it doesn't mean it wasn't minor or that I didn't get worse than that.

It was minor and it didn't break his stride.

She backstabbed him and he wanted to chase after her but with the activation of the pylons and the swarming Cadians, he knew his time on Cadia was up.

Khanr had no leash. He practically told Angron to fuck off and went his own way. And last I checked Angron would make Abaddon is biatch.

So was Kharn. Agrument invalid.

Except he does. Kharn had to obey Abaddon's orders.

Kharn cannot disobey Khorne which means he cannot disobey Abaddon. He is leashed a warhound. Get it?

>She backstabbed him and he wanted to chase after her but with the activation of the pylons and the swarming Cadians, he knew his time on Cadia was up.

So yes, he did flee. After turning his back on a still living foe because he didn't think she was a threat and getting injured for it.

>Which means that few warriors ever managed to actually wound him. Stubbing my toe was the most pain I can remember, it doesn't mean it wasn't minor or that I didn't get worse than that.

So what proof do you have that it was minor? The fact he's not dead? Describing something as the greatest pain he's ever suffered when he's been fighting since the Horus Heresy itself rather implies that's a lot of pain. They also wouldn't bother describing it as such if it wasn't notable.