Complete crap. I'm convinced the reason she writes all their books is because she's willing to work for Game Time tokens.
Grayson Young
Better than whoever they have normally, but not good
Luke Murphy
Taking a backseat to Stormwind was wrong.
Nathaniel Perry
Do Dwarves do anything?
Mason Long
no
Parker Young
A sliding scale of not bad(Rise of the Horde) to passable(Arthas) to laughably bad(War Crimes).
Jonathan Peterson
RPing a lightforged draenei is dumping the class in a coat of paladin paint, right?
Like, even my Fury Warrior should be yelling about putting your faith in the light, right?
Jaxson Martinez
elven pride worldwide
Jack Clark
Where did the highway outside Shadowforge go?
Truly deep lore
William Ortiz
Effectively, yes. You've been touched by the Naaru in one of the most direct ways possible, and you've spent most of your life until now battling the Burning Legion in unceasing war. Now the Legion is finally gone, and you're settling down with your wayward people you haven't seen in millenia. If you can survive unending war with the Burning Legion, this "Horde" mess should be nothing in comparison.
Easton Scott
T'PAARTOS!
Gavin Mitchell
>this "Horde" mess should be nothing in comparison. >In the Embassy Velen mentions he's going to be taking a more hands on approach to destiny. Fareeya seducing Anduin so she and Velen can lead the Alliance of Light to victory when?
Oliver Wilson
Neat. Should I go for Heritage armor transmog or use the pictured Garothi set?
Robert James
They've successfully avoided being absolutely ruined by flying mostly under the radar but not quite enough to be forgotten completely or become irrelevant. They generally get just enough lore and development to remain interesting without being utterly shat on.
They're a happy medium between gnomes, which were forgotten, and night elves, which got way too much negative attention and got fucked.
Restating my hate for New Dire trolls, they better not roll back these "HD" graphics to classic servers.
They no longer look llike they'd be super duper rock and tree climbing badasses anymore.
Aiden Powell
fair enough.
Charles Parker
They're obviously not rolling back any models with the possible exception of having an HD option for player models, that's the one consistent thing they've said in interviews.
Ryder Allen
Classic servers will use current assets, correct.
Jayden Gray
Superior MoP skeleton of the Vanilla Dire Troll model, either skeleton for the Vanilla Dire Troll is good, note the tight, whiplike flexible core. Bet that fucker could wind ALL the way back for a punch or chase your ass up a tree. Also his bracer decorations are more ornate. Let the long legs take the front line, keep your industrial base strong and help the Gnomes where you can.
Easton Garcia
Equally good Vanilla Model Vanilla Skeleton. Note the sunken shadowed eyes.
Jace Perry
Yea I think they are gonna use new graphics too espieacly since if WoW classic gets them huge cash then they can sell them a WoW classic only expansions and not have to make art the old way. It would be cool if they made content for WoW classic but kept stuff that made WoW classic great like Faction only classes.
Lucas Myers
Wouldn't the next step probably be Burning Crusade servers?
Cameron Walker
WoW classic had plans of Hellfire/Black Temple raid at lvl 60, Karazhan was also supposed to be a lvl 60 raid along with the emerald dream.
Christopher Stewart
Here's the BfA attempt at the same troll. Note how they forgot to trim his sideburns, made a ehhh attempt to duplicate the sunken shadowed eyes but instead of looking like shadowed sockets they just look like black eyeballs.
Also if they were going for "Dead" they fucked up and made it look like stone. That said the only remaining example of this skin is outside BRD, so maybe it's a golem the Dark Irons made to spy on Rend's Trolls by infiltrating the Smolderthorn or Firetree.
I just want a Pre-Kossak world I'd honestly rather have Wrath.
Brandon Ross
True, they might do classic "expansions" as well, it just might be touchy territory for a lot of people, but on the other hand, classic's content obviously can't sustain itself forever alone.
I do think they might consider BC servers too though, it and Wrath likely have enough popularity to fuel them. Wrath also feels like a logical cutoff point because of Cata's world revamp. And also in a totally unrelated coincidence because subs started plummeting in Cata.
Daniel Reed
That one quest where you kill Troll kids.
It probably wasn't intended to be that way, but really, the implications are kind of fucked up.
Christian Sullivan
Remember that time blizzard tried to add uncorrupted Windgrell and accidentally gave them fel firebolts?
Yeah, I don't think "Whelp" was supposed to be LITERAL but they are only fucking dwarf height. Apparently they killed a small tribe of tauren some time before Vanilla (Possibly by accidentally driving them off into the Downs just to the south.)
Xavier Cook
>this kills the elf
Nicholas Green
been wanting to kill those orphan shits since that zombie plague event tell me more about this.
Brayden Ortiz
In the 1-5 "Cradle" part of the Dwarf starting zone there's very very short ice trolls called "Frostmane Whelps."
Jackson Rivera
In Dun Morogh, in the Starting area of Coldridge, you have a quest to kill "Frostmane Troll Whelps".
They use the regular ice troll model but they are significantly shorter than normal ice trolls. Probably just supposed to be the runts of the tribe but the name and size have implications.
Sebastian White
They don't have troll children models.
The trolls are probably teenagers- if I had to guess, like 13 or something.
Nathaniel Torres
Really wish there was an option for Void Elf Pallys. Currently leveling up a priest but I only play Plate Classes.
Chase Jenkins
>They don't have troll children models
They didn't when that quest happened.
They're getting some in BfA! Granted, they're Zandalari, but it's something.
Owen Moore
>be infused with MAXIMUM VOID >try to be a paragon of MAXIMUM LIGHT
This is how you blow yourself up, user.
Brandon Bell
Voidgoblin Paladins when Blizzard?
Kayden Rodriguez
I hate how the Zandalari look they don't feel like trolls
Nolan Martinez
Yeah they do, they're just the pure blooded kangs compared to the voodoo niggers and knuckle dragging pavement apes of the troll species.
Logan Ross
Wtf I want to breed a troll woman now.
Ryder Reed
The new-old ghouls, while still better than the Wrath retardo ghouls are too smooth and their eye sockets are too wide.
I appreciate the return to the "Row of tombstones" look for their teeth though.
Austin Hernandez
the Legion undead models are pretty fucking bad honestly, way too clean
Blake Reyes
This movie was so bad - the main character's father was based on Mobutu, one of the worst dictators in history, whose atrocities were ignored in America (during his lifetime, at least) because he was fanatically anti-communist. This movie is a real life Springtime for Hitler.
Kayden Martinez
How did the Arathi kingdom devolve into the Syndicate if there was no pressing Scourge invasion?
Kayden Evans
A;terac became the Syndicate and invaded Stromgarde (The kingdom that takes up the Arathi Highlands) in secret then began uprisings. This let the Ogres and Forest trolls ally together and attack the city.
Evan Young
>Be Arathi >Live in the birthplace of human civilization, home of the capital of the old united human empire >Stand strong against the Horde in the Second War >Send troops across the Dark Portal >Survive the Scourge >Fall to bandits and ogres
Isaac Howard
Alt*rac was a mistake
Charles Gray
They overstretched themselves.
Part of why I'm picking them as a staging ground for my "Various factions unite" idea. Contingents from the south, diplomats, scouts from even the Thorium Brotherhood (Drawing a huge line of rebellious troops from the regular Shadowforge military) and the goblins.
Evan Robinson
I do enjoy my lightforged shadow priest
William Taylor
Why can't you brainlets stay in your containment board?
>using * to substitute one letter in a word because the complete word is vile is the practise of brainlets
David Howard
>defending *lt*r*c go away Deathwing
Blake Barnes
hello lord prestor :)
Evan Watson
>telling him to go away >not punching that dragon in the face
Hudson Wright
>What is a Discipline Priest? Really, I'd like it if Blizzard would inject a little lore into some of the more vague talent specs. Can we have some canonical examples of Discipline priests please? I'm sick of priests being shown off as a dichotomy between Light and Shadow.
Kayden Rivera
The fuck you on about? I'd have thought you were talking about /pol/ because of the KANGZ shit but what does Alt*rac have to do with that?
Julian Green
I thought he was making fun of my typo.
> Can we have some canonical examples Discipline priests please? MoP era Anduin. Possibly Moira too?
Andrew Wright
One of the Lightforged is.
Justin Jones
Even their kids are ugly...
Zachary Jenkins
You take that back.
Jackson Flores
Which women are better for breeding, trolls or elves?
Anthony Scott
Elves don't look like emaciated mutants, so Veeky Forums's choice is trolls.
Andrew Wood
Troll women.
Your kids are going to have literal gods watching over them.
Jackson Lewis
¿por qué no los dos?
Logan Garcia
I'm currently running a campaign on Azeroth. I just did away with WoW and its "contribution" to lore and the players are just a band of random mercenaries. Edwin Van Cleef is acting Robin Hood in Westfall and Elwynn, taking from the rich etc. The group is hired to disrupt Defias operations but they're torn between the genuinely sympathetic Defias and their source of gold.
I'm not planning on letting them take down Edwin. The power creep will be kept at bay. Any suggestions?
Logan Anderson
Is Onyxia involved or naw?
Dylan Powell
>I just did away with WoW and its "contribution" to lore >still civilization and not bleak survival in the eastern kingdoms
Logan Moore
>Blood Elves, Nightborne and Forsaken leave the Horde to establish a new elf-centric faction >sylvanas is the queen, saurfang replaces her as the warchief >night elves are invited to forget the old grudges and join >void elves are retconned out of existence Is this the perfect scenario?
Grayson James
>Sylvanas is the queen Stopped reading right there.
Ian Turner
Make Mogu the relevant and dominant Pandarian races, Pandaren can just be a background race.
Mogu are way cooler than Pandas.
Nicholas Wilson
>sylvanas is the queen By sigmar, NO!
Jose Butler
>letting Forsaken into the elf faction nice try Nathanos
Dylan Scott
>low level campaign in westfall >"pandaria"
Thomas Howard
Who knows what path the future will take?
Logan Perry
>sylvanas is the queen, saurfang replaces her as the warchief
Why the hell would people want that? Even outside of all the horrible shit she's done...she's immortal. People are generally against immortal royalty.
Robert Scott
It's the only sensible choice, deal with it.
Isaiah Howard
>I just did away with WoW and its "contribution" to lore >focuses on the Defias What?
Anyway, the Defias' main target was farmers, not nobles, and they certainly weren't giving a single coin to the poor. Not to mention the part where they were experimenting with zombification and mind control. Your sympathetic angle is pretty much a straight retcon.
But for hooks, there's the aforementioned import of troll voodoo, their connections with the gnolls and the kobolds, their dealings with Onyxia, the Stockades riots, their potential involvement with the Theramore deserters... they had a pretty wide reach.
Jordan Baker
Kosak, go back to playing EU4 like the moron that you are.
Joshua Johnson
Didn't the Defias literally kill the Queen in a riot?
Evan Jackson
Not that the pcs are aware, they don't even know she exists. She's in the higher echelons of SW society and the Pcs are a smelly band of nobodies.
Aaron Smith
It's pretty clear this guy is an OG Hordefag who just wants elves out, not a Kosak type.
Lucas Moore
It's not a retcon, it's a correction of awful writing that has been bothering me since day 1. >corrupt nobles made slaves out of us! >better become highway robbers Even at 12 I thought it was very stupid.
Brayden Cruz
Not quite. Essentially the Stonemasons built some shit, Nobles refused to pay influenced by Onyxia, and she was hit by a rock during riots. The Defias only later came about.
Speaking of which, did they ever talk about what happened to said Nobles? I can't imagine Varian would be have been very happy with people outright refusing to pay for goods and services owed.
Charles Nguyen
Wouldn't be surprise if Onyxia was using Evil Dragon Magic to addled Edwin's mind to keep him towards destabilizing the kingdom instead of whatever weird revolutionary shit he'd probably actually want to do.
Isaac Morales
Most of the people slighted went their own way. Edwin Vancleef was basically a criminal until Stormwind was razed and decided to help them, it was people with a similar mindset that joined him most likely. Keep in mind they were rebuilding a razed city; even if a small minority of the Engineers etc rebelled with him it would have still been a significant number.
Caleb Baker
What remotely makes it sensible? She's not even the best Windrunner to take the job.
Camden Turner
It was really more >Stormwind broke its promise and exiled us >it's going to fucking BURN The farmers were the first targets because they were vulnerable, and so made easy pickings. The nobles would have got theirs when the dreadnought was finished.
Benjamin Brown
t. Vanessa Vancleef
Bentley Ortiz
My pcs don't know any of the intricacies of the world because they're a bunch of commoners. They haven't even met night elves and rarely high elves because that shit is rare. They're slowly moving through elwynn and Westfall being torn between helping the Defias who "seem" genuinely sympathetic and their SW contractors who supply their gold.
The party consists of 2 dwarves and 3 humans, of which only one was around at the time of the orc invasions. The rest are inexperienced with events and races beyond their own borders. Also no gnomes.
Benjamin Clark
She's a hero of the blood elves and the queen of the forsaken. The nightborne will go along with whatever the blood elves choose. Nobody asks what the night elves think, they get a chance to get their freedom and culture back >She's not even the best Windrunner to take the job. Top kek
Ryan Robinson
>Night elves are being culturally oppressed WEW
Jose Bennett
>Nobody asks what the night elves think, they get a chance to get their freedom and culture back
By teaming up with guys who spread plague and undeath...as druids? You might be missing some steps there. That and 'Queen of the Forsaken' is a core reason she shouldn't be part of any faction that doesn't include the Forsaken.
Adrian Morgan
>Defias who "seem" genuinely sympathetic How, though? The connection between the Defias and the Stonemasons is not publicly known. The Defias certainly weren't telling anyone, they shanked anyone who tried to find out about them.
Justin Green
In terms of actual lore, that's not what's happening.
It just seems that way because Blizzard is really bad at writing Night Elves.
Grayson Walker
Doesn't help that without throwing weapons, a lot of Night Elf stuff basically doesn't appear anymore. Those glaive units were supposed to be some of the core of the army after all.
No throwing weapons properly usable is something that never really made sense in WoW to me, when Night Elves, Blood Elves and Trolls all have iconic units with them.
Connor Adams
That's why forsaken must tag along, they include undead elves and don't belong in the Horde at any rate