It a fantasy world where the goblins are the good guys and the humans are the bad guys

>It a fantasy world where the goblins are the good guys and the humans are the bad guys

How would you do this without leaning on the noble savage trope or doing some simple race transposition?

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By making humans evil and goblins good. Solid question.

You ever read a story set from the animals perspective where humans doing ordinary human things, like setting out rat poison, were the bad guys? Kind of like that.

By portraying the Goblins as Communists and the Humans as Tsarists.

I wouldn't lean too hard on moral relativism if you're trying to assert that goblins are good by nature.

By making Goblin-centric societies be the most common in the world. They don't need to be nobles or monarchies, you can still make them indigenous tribesmen or whathaveyou. It's about perspective. The Goblins are doing what they can to survive, and the humans are actively trying to root them out.
It isn't that hard.

Do the Inventor tinker mad scientist trope goblins
Do the Fanatic Xenophobic Theocracy Human trope

Easy.

Make the goblins S A D.

You could have normal, low int goblin heroes go after a tribe of horrifying troglodyte tribesmen (Bone Tomahawk style) This actually sounds like something I want to try. You could actually turn this into a sort of horror rp

Mm to add to this, you could have the goblins kill a group of shitty adventurers, who are on the quest to eliminate this evil tribe. Once the adventurers are defeated, the goblins take the quest

>naive revolutionaries vs inflexible aristocrats
>decades of war
>birth of new tyranny
>billions die
>death of short-lived empire

Give the goblins a prosperous magical civilization in their own land. They have their own share of troubles, and their own unique culture, by by and large they have their shit together.

They have had occasions of humans coming to their lands before. When they come with violence, the goblins send them packing. When the humans come with open arms seeking trade or homes, the goblins largely are accepting of them, though the humans rarely actually live in goblin cities. Not for class reasons, but simply because goblin cities are not built to accommodate human sized dudes.

Recently, unbeknownst to the goblins, the human lands have been unified by a great conqueror who is now looking for new lands to plunder. He has set his eyes on the goblin territory and justifies his expansion with a creed of manifest destiny. His army is massive.

Goblin magic has held the borders against the invading human army, but they are currently in debate as to what to do about the problem. The goblins have a number of magical weapons that could utterly shatter the human invading force, and break the newly formed empire into pieces. However, these goblins are not bloodthirsty by nature, and are yet hoping they can find a solution to the war that does not require them to resort to death on a scale never before seen in the world.

But that's the exact opposite of OP's request.

Clearly you just give humans a hueg goblin fetish. Millions of goblins are captured and enslaved in government sanctioned prostitution dens for the pleasure of perverse humans.

Goblins can't be the good guys. Their alignment is "always evil", so unless your humans are an even greater form of evil, like if they're Americans, then your idea isn't going to work.

goblinscomic.com/comic

Poor goblin village, it's citizens trampled down by a group of self-righteous knights. Women and children, it was a slaughter. Crops and homes were burned forcing the survivors that were killed or led of into slavery to hide out in caves to plot their revenge.

I think that's several parts of Ratatouille.

Human men are so addicted to Goblin pussy they build an entire Kingdom using Goblin slaves as a currency. Because half-breeds aren't nearly as valuable, Goblin husbandry is required. Goblin girls are sold for their looks and the value of their genitalia, Goblin men are sold for studding purposes and for gladiatorial matches.

Goblin revolutionaries emerge to overthrow the shackles of Human dick. Or at least try to.

By playing a Dhakaani Goblin campaign on Eberron.

Depends on what kind of goblins we’re talking about here, if it’s the Warcraft style tinker, money hungry goblin, that’s easy.

>Goblin ingenuity and love of money leads to unfettered capitalism and innovation, bringing an previously unknown level of quality of life in the world
>humans are still stuck in feudal, collectivist societies ruled by kings and other various tyrants, keeping them effectively in the Middle Ages
>although the goblins have advanced far, they use their abilities for the benefit of a better life, not weapons of war
>humans can quickly draft an enormous army and exert military might
>the envy of the goblins leads the humans to wage a war against them to steal their gold and technology while enslaving their engineers to work for them

cavemen vs goblin science

I think Stan Nicholls' Orcs does a good job of this, admittedly with orcs not goblins, but the principle is roughly the same.

this, this and the last ringbearer.

Like Secret of NIMH?

>Goblin pussy
Normie casuals, lol

>tfw no goblin twink
>tfw you'll never be the goblin twink

That's literally Azeroth

I appreciate the concentration of deliberately awful bait in that post.

>OP makes a stealth attempt at discussing that Goblins comic
>nobody bites
RIP OP

the goblins are actually evil and just stupidly think they're the good guys.

That is Evil in both cases...your better off replacing commies with nazies

Goblins by default use (shabby) engineering. Humans by default use magic. Magic is not a renewable resource. Humans refuse to acknowledge this.

>Party has no barbarian daddy to serve
._______ .

Goblins are weak and incompetent.
Humans are strong and competent.
Do the math.

Ninety Nine Nights

Goblin Slayer but from the goblin's perspective and actually well written.

The entrepreneurial NAP goblins are oppressed by the big government humans.

>shabby
Ya were sayin, pal?

Goblins live to be maybe twenty years old before dying. Have a high birth rate.

Typical Goblin style massive empire attacks humans.

After many years the humans win. The humans having nearly been defeated have determined that the goblins must be exterminated - their breading speed means that if even a few Goblins are left to multiply eventually the same thing will happen again. No chances being taken with this 'other' species.

From the Goblin perspective so many generations have passed that they no longer remember not only who started the war, but that there was ever even a war. From the goblin perspective the humans are just nazi monsters hunting them to extinction for no known reason and vague bullshit excuses. It has just always been this way.

Remember, good and evil can depend on the perspective of who is doing what to whose team. Both sides can rationalize just about any action they take as being good here.

What about the anarcho-primitivist elves and fully automated luxury space communist gnomes?

>communist gnomes
And here I thought gnomes couldn't get more obnoxious

>That is Evil in both cases...your better off replacing commies with nazies

t. pol

They get a playgob magazine each page hand drawn on vellum pages

Consider the fact that early homo sapiens killed off the rest of its/our cousin species like homo erectus and homo prolapsus just because we didn't want any competition for resources.
Genocide is the key to human life as we know it today, what's a species of green midgets matter when you're willing to exterminate other homo species to make it easier on yourself?

I like this. Has a Doctor's Daughter vibe to it.

Boxtrolls is a good start

Do don't actually have to change much.

Goblins are poor underprivileged outcasts.

Humans rich privileged racists who persecute Goblins because they claim that goblins are evil.

How many times have you seen a party attack a bunch of goblins on sight. just because they are goblins and their for a probably evil?

It almost got me. So it can't be that bad. Or maybe I'm just gullible.

>How many times have you seen a party attack a bunch of goblins on sight
Not much, and my paladin would prevent them from attacking first if ever they attempted that.

Who says goblins are "always evil"? In D&D, at least in 3.5 D&D, goblins are described as usually evil.

Are you talking about the bit about the goblins or the bit about Americans?

You're on the side of goblins. Humans took your shiny. Stab.

Centuries after the goblins were able to independently develop advanced metallurgy technologies and achieve an industrial revolution the humans (who have stagnated since their last age of enlightenment) are still attempting to kill them to a man. The international community has tried to recognize the goblins as demihumans but to no avail, the humans would sooner accept an orc, bugbear or lizardfolk as intelligent before goblins (all of which are in a similar situation to the goblins).

Goblins are techies. Humans are luddites who think that machines are a work of the Devil. In fact, they're secretly being egged on by slavers dominating the human society, who are afraid that if goblin technology is ever picked up by humans, slavery would come crashing down.

>makes thread about goblins
>uses picture of an orc
Goblins don't have tusks, genius.

Pic related

Depends on the setting

You only need to click reverse image search to see that it's a gobbo.

In some sleepy corner of the world, a tribe of goblins raid an isolated farmstead, stealing what little there is of worth and killing a woman and child inside. A man comes back from the field to find what they did, and decides that the best course of action is to kill every goblin in the world.
He succeeds.

saving with cheesecake

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You don't do it. You portray them in both a positive and negative light. You don't just set up black/white good/evil.

Also why wouldn't the goblins be civilized, with their own cities and art? It may not use traditional (from a human perspective) materials or styles, but it's still some form of culture. Or shit shit them be pastoral nomads. Have them have a giant circular migration pattern that takes years/decades to complete, with various ritual/holy site stops along the way. Have the humans start developing on their traditional lands/destroying/"desecrating" the gobbos holy sites as the humans expand ever onward. Have them both commit fairly questionable deeds to another. Like goblins burning the humans fields. The humans riding down gobbo children and torturing the elderly they capture. Idk man. It's not hard man.

The Goblins are nomadic hunter-gathers. Their way of life is standard for nomads: they sometimes raid one another and neighboring groups, but nobody goes all genocidal on anybody. The humans are city dwelling pseudo-Akkadians who manage to unite everyone against them through genocide, which is something that nobody else in the setting practices.

Boom. Your savages aren't remotely noble, but your humans are relatively much worse.

Anyone got that pic of a gobling girl swingin around a sword similar to Guts' golden age sword?

>humans don't realise they're such a cancer
>goblins are just trying to prevent both species' extinctions

The real cancer is hippy faggots like you

You okay?

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No. Too many goblins.

DID SOMEBODY SAY GOBLINS?!

Aren't gobboslayer's body proportions kinda weird?

get out of here slayer

Make goblins more like gnomes and humans more like the modern chinese

Most of the sentient races in setting are infected with some kind of corruption. Goblins are one of the few who remain sane.

Human society has progressed in a bizarre direction over the last few centuries, and a once fringe death cult is now the state religion, and humanity is collectively trying to end all human life, and other races are dependent on human agriculture and military intervention.
Goblins lead the other more beastial races (since they're the most intelligent and cunning among them) against the thanatosian human armies.
But merely defeating them would be giving them what they want, in order to succeed, they must remind them of what it means to truly live.

I know one of you guys has this.