What do you think about Necromunda Underhive? Is it a fun skirmish game? Do you like new sculpts...

>le CAD is bad -meme

well it is only 79 cents to the USD right now....

In terms of gameplay and rules I prefer shadow war, it's a shame it wasn't released as shadow war: Necromunda.

I think they tried to ride a line between the campiness of the original and a more modern tacticool-scifi flavor to appeal to people who like infinity and that sort of generic look, and it just sort of comes across as off-balance without the original nuttiness.

>but with proper terrain its pretty good
>I think it is a pretty fun skirmish game with a bungled presentation
What about replayability? Is core set and gang war 1 enough to keep the game somehow enjoyable and interesting?

>How about no?
user, we talked about this like dozen of times. Really, we all know it was a really shitty move and GW fucked it up. Still, I want to read about the game itself this time

Pirated the rule books and have a Genestealer cult eagerly awaiting rules supplements in White Dwarf. In that sense I'm getting something out of it but really, the new Necromunda business module is total bullshit and I feel bad for people who had investment in the game before this.

I'd still prefer SWA.

I got some of the gang boxes to use them for Necromunda proper, Rogue Stars and other SciFi Skirmish stuff.
The game itself can shove it.

At this stage it's cheaper than 40k and provides a quick alternative. Hello my gaming group handy been as excited about a few product in a long time. I don't mind the cost too much and I've been happy to supply pics/pdfs to others in my group who haven't been able to get the books yet.
It has decent replayability. For a decent amount under the cost of a 40k army you can set up a gang and play a campaign that could last you several months (don't forget the pdfs for rules etc). When that's completed spend another £20-40 and get a different gang and start over again. At most every quarter someone in your group is buying a gang war book for the latest rules.

I haven't played it yet, but I like how its bringing all of these old concepts to life again like the Squats and Imperial Beastmen. That and the new kits are loads of new bits and fodder for my IG and Cultists.

The two local game stores in my town are both saying May before they start campaigns because there needs to be at least four gangs released before they give it a shot.

Really they should have held off until they could have released a box set along with two gangs not in the box set.

The biggest problem on the 3d terrain front is that they're pushing Sector Mechanicus, which is horribly overpriced and uses 5" levels instead of 3" levels.

I really don't want to have to buy mdf terrain but that seems like the only option.

If you don’t mind spending time you could make it yourself. It’s probably what I’m going to do.

I didn't say it was bad, only implied that it''s lacking in soul.

>Not seeing making your own terrain as half the fun and a must anyways
[angry grog noises]

I'm using all my spare sprues for terrain-building but for once I would be okay with buying a decent thematic terrain set for necromunda

What's wrong with MDF terrain? You can texture it and hide the joints if you don't want the modularity.

Buying some stuff to pad out your collection is perfectly acceptable by grog standards.
If you've never bought some aquarium stuff to use for terrain, you haven't wargamed properly.

I have a set of cute ceramic pumpkins and mushrooms to work as halloween themed terrain pieces

MDF looks good though.

youtube.com/watch?v=yuqi8Qk4QAY

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The board game version and the full version blow. Play original Necromunda, 40k, or actual good skirmish / board games. There’s 0 reason to play the new one.

>Not enough gangs on launch
>Can't buy the rulebook separately outside of ebay or a pirated odd.
>No rules allowing for the constant upgrade of your dudes

I do love the minis though and I heard combat wise the rules are good and fun. Skirmish wise though it's pretty good. Seems more fun and chill then say infinity.

>can't change equipment
lmao dead on arrival

I feel bad for your brother. Poor guy.

I was talking to my dad and I'm going to look into using gatorboard to make the terrain. I'll have to go over to his house and check out what it's like beforehand though. Checking online it's pretty expensive. ($7.50 a sheet if you buy in bulk.)

>Implying everyone outside of official GW stores won't completely ignore that rule.

>user, we talked about this like dozen of times. Really, we all know it was a really shitty move and GW fucked it up. Still, I want to read about the game itself this time
>I want to read only about positive sides of game

wait, you can't change equipment? what's the fucking point then?

That's LITERALLY THE WHOLE FUCKING POINT OF THE GAME

Squats were never not canon, you people are retarded.

You can add, but not remove equipment. Leaders and Champions can have multiple different "sets" of equipment.

Well it's not anymore.

:^)

>releasing more gangs
Yep. Blood Bowl, Shadespire, and Necromunda.

Blood Bowl and Shadespire are practically dead where I am. Necromunda will soon follow, I think.

Rule as written you can give new equipment to gangers but you can't take it away. Leaders and champions have different loadouts, its up to interpretation whether gangers' old equipment gets trashed instead of returning to the stash or you just can't give them more than three hands worth.

In actual practice, everyone will completely ignore that bullshit and play Necromunda like they always have.

The only legitimate gameplay reason I can see for the rule is so people don't do gear swaps when a ganger turns into a Specialist.

CAD sculpting + bad design + goofy scale creep = action figures

My main problem is the same with many GW modern sculpts unfortunately. They're praised as multi parts, poseable and what have you, but at the end of the day, they're not that posable really.
Arms have limited positions and torso and legs are glued together. That alone reduces the conversion possibilities enormously. It's the same as Primaris or the DG releases.

CAD can be great for some models, specifically large and complicated multi part kits. Where it falls down is in textures and communicating character and individual style. Add to this the cack handed noobs GW seem to be exclusively employing, the hilarious scale creep, and their company policy of everything needing to look visually distinct from everything else (even basic weapons) to preserve trade mark, and you have an ugly mess of cheap looking Chinese knock offs on your hands. The latest Necro stuff looks like it was made by mantic ffs.

Waiting for more gangs to come out. The game looks really enjoyable and my friends want to play a skirmish game but we haven't found one that aesthetically pleases us. Necromunda does.

Their business model is evil, though. If you buy the core set with a friend, and want to play two games seperately at the same time, one of you will lack a rulebook.

>That alone reduces the conversion possibilities enormously
only if you're lazy. as an avid converter honestly I like the newer style. theres greater variety in the way a particular limb is posed. even if it only fits on on way. But jsut glueing and gap filling it to another angle is still trivially easy.

nah CAD has been great for textures. Particularly fur, the ogre mournfangs are early GW CAD sculpting and the better for it.

Are you fucking winding me up? Look anything with fur they've put out in the last few years. I looks like, at best, scales.

its still better than the old fur.
ive got both versions of the scrap launcher. the old one is nice. But the cad fur on the new rhinox is clearly better than the hand sculpted fur in the old.

When will Gang War 2 be delivered?

saturday

on a related not (or not). How is Shadow War Armageddon? Worth getting or not?

>"... a useless expanded weapon table..."

Eh?

I like the models and the aesthetic, but honestly the gameplay is a bit shit.

It has the same problem as old warhammer. Too many stupid fucking rules, too much time spent in the book, not enough fun.

I know that opinion is gonna garner some hate but too bad, it's overcomplicated. Deal with it.

My understanding is that they printed a bunch of weapons and didn't include them in the trading post, so they're effectively useless

what I meant, their are rules for plasma cannons but no way of purchasing one for example.

Is there any reason to play this new edition, other than the fact the GW drones will play it for a few months before putting it down like they did with Shadespire and Blood Bowl?

Probably not. After way they are doing bloodbowl people have caught on to the money gouge tactics.

Slow as fuck releases, combined with fucking books etc etc could have all been done in far less time, with far less money grabbing ways.

Plus, rules.

It's decent. Horribly imbalanced (Tau are anaemic as fuck, Harlequins and 'nids are broken) but it's fun.

Problem is, half their models just come flat, no texture, no "soul" or personality in the models. Bland areas of a model where beofre they'd have done something - maybe it's a choice but, still looks shit.

Oh and eisenhorns 4ft thick, flat ended cloak.

The new join style is bullshit, i'd prefer they kept them compatible with the other kits.

The scale is what really fucks up, I get teir is some scale creep but making all the old minis obsolete is a dick move.

yup, the size creep is absolute bollocks. But there we go..

I have 8k points of ultramarine army. Like fuck I'm adding primaris into it... but meh, probably find the new things won't have the hold they used to.

I think the official rule is that if you still had minis on the table at the end of the game (weren't wiped out/didn't bottle out completely) you can loot your dead gangers. Otherwise that stuff is lost.

Taking them to the doc only to have them die (or neglecting to take them to the doc) will give you their kit, as will retiring a ganger. The only way you lose stuff is if someone gets outright killed on the table and you don't have anyone left to pick it up.

Alternating activations are really good, gangs are more diverse when it comes to statlines and loadouts.

I felt that Underhive is very much the Goliath's game to lose. It's a real bad matchup for Escher, with the cramped confines of the 2D board and their signature toxin and gas weapons being less effective agaisnt Toughness 4 dudes. They don't even get the numerical advantage they'd probably enjoy in a campaign. That all said, I'm very pleased with the game as a whole, though they really need to sort out their proofreading and put out some FAQs for misprints/omissions.

I'm personally a big fan of the sclupts, though narrow heels in a world of metal grates is a bugbear of mine. Real happy with how expressive the different faces for the gangs are, as well as a customisable hairstyles. A little disappointed with the relatively sparse weapon options though. That'll be addressed with weapon packs and conversions, though that brings me to...

Pricing is bad, though not when it comes to the minis. The core box is good value and 10 bodies for £25 is pretty standard. The pricing on the Gang War books and the presence of tactics card that require an additional buy feel particularly exploitative though, even within the realm of the luxury plastic soldiers industry. I'm guessing the rational is that each group would only buy one copy of the book, RPG style, but those books feel massively overpriced when you compare them to a 40k Codex, which is two to three times as big and hardback for £25.

This, I had a lot of fun learning it with a friend, but neither goliaths nor the eschers appeal to either of us. Good new for him is that the Orlocks are his favorite, bad news for me is that I adore none other than the Redemptionists.

All in all; fantastic game, horrific launch.

Hey, Cawdor's coming soon* and they've confirmed that they'll be doing Outlanders again, so you'll get your turbozealots then.

*Sometime in 2018.

I don’t see the scale creep, they’re the same size as the GSC and cultist models, Goliaths are a little bigger because...I mean because their name is f#%$ing Goliath.

I get that they’re not the same scale as the 20 year old models, but making the Necro minis purposefully small compared to the current range would’ve been fucking weird

>eschers
Agreed. At the same time it could well be seen as a move to ensure the old miniatures aren't as attractive any more, but if they'd kept them in line with that they'd look really stunted compared to everything else GW is putting out these days.

Then compare them to other ranges, marines, etc.

It's there.

When have marines ever been properly scaled to regular humans? All the human models are consistently scaled, cadians/cultists/gsc are the same size as the eschers and orlocks, that’s not scale creep

I want to play but the game is totally going to die before there's enough there for me to want to buy anything. Goliaths and Eshers a shit.

>f#%$ing
Wh*a. Sl*w down there sport. Let's not use any harsh language.

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I'm talking about when you have a ganger with a stub gun and a fighting knife and you decide to turn them into a ganger with an autopistol and a fighting knife.

RAW you can't put the stub gun in the stash. So does the stub gun get trashed if you decide to add an autogun in the future or are you barred from giving them an autogun because they already have three weapons?

Houserules, of course the stub gun goes in the stash.

I prefer the flat areas because a lot of time they'd add lots of extraneous detail and greatly extend the time required to paint for no extra benefit.

I was going to play Warmachine long ago when the 1st edition came out and gave up because I got sick and fucking tired of painting the 80 bandoliers on each Cygnar Longgunner.

So, if we wanted to play something that's like the old Necromunda (beacuse apparently this one sucks), but you can't get people to play old necromunda. What would you anons recommend?

I posted this last night, but, how about other recognizable skirmish games like the Fallout Mini-game on pre-order or This is not a Test?

In her Majesty's Name was developed from In the Emperor's Name, a streamlined Necromunda/Inq28 game.
Got it's own models and all.

Should probably ask in /awg/ though.

/awg/ - good call, but, again, the problem is getting people to try to recognize /awg/ style games. My only local FLGS Barely plays X-wing and 40k, and those have MASSIVE brand recognition.

That's why I brought up Fallout beacuse it's got Normie-eyeball connections.

>beacuse it's got Normie-eyeball connections.
not the same genre, but maybe LotR then?

So is it better to just grab any unit box per player and download the shadow war book? I never played SWA but I used to play 7e and truly I hate it - is SWA based on 7e ruleset?

>is SWA based on 7e ruleset?
afaik yes.
You could also just dl the old necromunda book for free and play a complete game that you don't have to wait for or buy in 5 different books at whatever ridiculous prices GW asks these days.

I really want to play but no one around me seems interested in picking up the core set.
>tfw when tempted to proxy the gangs and pirate the rulebooks to attempt to convince people to give it a shot at the FLGS

honestly the only reason I'm keeping an eye on the game or monitoring this thread even is because I remember the old Necromunda.
The new version doesn't really have all that much to offer yet.
The intro set is more like a boardgame and if you want to graduate to wargame you're looking at dumping a shitload of extra money. And there are only three gangs in the game so far.

If you look at literally any other skirmish game on the market right now you get better deals.

It really, really isn't

>more diverse when it comes to statlines
That's actually one of the things I like least, same with all the special signature weapons. The whole point of necro 1E and confrontation before it was gangs of similarly statted humans with access to more or less the same weapons - variety came with how your gang progressed and some of that color was dictated by their affiliation. Now everyone and everything has to have a snowflake rule because of a minor variation in appearance. It's the same cancer that killed off old 40k 's character and turned it into 'which flavour of marine do you want to play?'

Now compare it to a marine, you fucking prat.

But scale creep in regards to marines has been a thing since before the original Necromunda. Have you ever seen a 2nd edition Space Marine standing next to a Catachan Jungle Fighter?

ok lad, here is a crazy idea. marines are too small. and perhaps, necromunda isn't even supposed to be played with marines? just an thought.

>marines are too small.

But user, that guardsman is the one who's more fucked up in terms of hugeness.

It should be noted that in the fluff of the new necromunda rulebook goliaths are addicted to human growth hormone that the escher produce for them. It stands to reason the escher are either using their own supply to make giant warrior women or theyre genetically fucked up to be taller and stronger anyway.

this

Keep on eye on Rogue Planet

RAW you can NEVER get rid of that stub gun. In practice everyone will just houserule it, but I suspect they made that rule so Necromunda doesn't require you to chop up your miniatures whenever they get a gear upgrade.

New Necromunda will be good (hopefully) by the end of this year when the 6 base gangs are out and they've released a properly errata'd rules compendium.

Ya, if GW would get off its ass and do something comprehensive with SWA they might actually have a movement on their hands.

If they are really looking to play off nostalgia then they should get back to the skirmish basis of 2nd ed 40K. Expand SWA out to the entire 40k line and let people play a skirmish game with a decent campaign system.

Let me re emphasize this, A DECENT CAMPAIGN SYSTEM, WITH A TERRITORY INCOME SYSTEM, AND A COMPREHENSIVE OPEN EQUIPMENT BAZAAR.

What would the production take? One writer? Necromunda fanatics love the old themes but are frankly flush with gangs. Stop shoving shitty new miniatures down our throats. Use the 40K miniature line already available to publish a system that lets you customize the shit out of a skirmish force. If you want to be super lazy you can even re-issue the old gangs and people will devour that crap.

Everything after 2nd edition is where 40K went wrong. Getting back to the old insanely customizable skirmish system is what GW needs in order to complete with small versitle games like X-wing and Legion.

There is so much content and culture behind the old system I can't see it being anything other than a diversion. Right now Yaktribe.org is swept up in it all but in a year I think it will get back to the customizable roots of the old system.

Gangs were already diverse as fuck. That was never the problem with Necromunda.

Necromunda was supposed to be just one corner of a system that would connect several systems together in an interchangeable role playing universe. The lack of support for the whole thing is just galling (and the central issue). We are still in the shadow of Rick Priestly and foundation of his content and rules is all GW really has to stand on.

A) They're in the same universe, they're from the same manufacturer, they're supposedly art the same scale, and marines *will* show up in necro eventually. B) if you can't see that the problem is the guardsman at 28mm, even heroic, then you are brain dead.
Try again.

Yes, I've been collecting since RTB01. Scale has always been a little erratic with GW, but it's only gone upwards for the last 5-10 years and at increasingly ridiculous margins. Saying it's ok to keep further increasing the size of models in a given scale purely because gw have done it before is a brainlet argument at best.