How often do you actually find assholes at your local game shop or game groups?

Nerd-McGee in pic with the judge would cheese people at local tournament. Use some obscure rule or whatever to hold back deployment on turn basis (I don't fucking know, I'm still learning 40k, this is the best I've been able to understand it), and after opponent fields their army, he counters suitably and usually gains critical advantage. Mexibro in pic hears about it, so he fields all his scouts, who can be put anywhere, and completely lines his opponents side of the field. When McGee the Virgin goes to dump his army, Mexibro's scouts' proximities deny him any space by which to place his army. Mexibro wins by extreme rules technicality, this ending the unbearably annoying reign of "seriously needs to consider suicide" Nerdsalot.

Shithead in white had a white scars army that was kept in reinforments or something. He would wait until the other side was set up, then gang up and use his mobility/deepstrike to his advantage, since he knew where everything was. Along comes fucking trollface McBrosalina Jolie, and reads the rules about how they can enter the board. Sets up his unit within the rules, lining the edge, with the maximum amount of spacing between them, preventing shithead McDoodledick from bringing on anything to the board as reinforcements, because of the way the rule was written.

The rule was changed the next day, but for one glorious moment, a shitty tourney player got force fed a helping of Karma, and lost the game (and got knocked out of the tourney.)

I caught a guy cheating against a child that was learning to play. Moving his models too far, charging stuff he couldnt reach, attacking with models out of range. When i called him out on it he said "you dont have to be so draconian"

F A N T A S T I C

Well it's not like he was going to be winning against anyone other than children.

>rule was changed the next day
Really? Talk about fucking lame.

>shithead McDoodledick

How fucking absurd.

I had a guy I was playing against in MtG. My first tournament. Surprisingly, we were 1-1 (though, granted, my friend pretty much set me up with a Red Aggro deck, so I want being very strategic). Guy uses monster with Tribute. When I choose it to give it permanent +2/+2, he groans, and naive old me wants the game to keep going because I'm having so much fun, change it to the other option, one-turn +3/+3. He has just enough attack to sweep and end game.

It wasn't really so much that I lost, but rather that this fat 450+ pound fuck immediately picked up his cards, got up, and went to report his win. Didn't shake hands. Didn't look at me. No smiles or joy present. Did not even acknowledge me. There are fucking permavirgin retards who, all they want, do, act, and pursue is winning recreational card games and taking advantage of whoever they can to meet that end.

Fuck competitive. Casual is honestly so much better an environment. By leagues.

Rule wasn't changed for a few years

Why do people hate White Scar Bro so much? He was using an army the way it was created to be used. I'm not saying it's not funny seeing his comeuppance, but if it was a tournament then he was there to win, and it doesn't seem like he was abusing any technicalities or anything.

tl;dr - it's funny, but bike guy wasn't being a prick

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Becausw he was being a dick and abusing a rule

Only one guy really, who took Bobby G in a casual 1000 point game.

Not a big deal but nothing that made me want to play the guy again

I don't see how it's abuse, it's not like the rule writers overlooked that you would be able to put your whole army in reserve. I'd call him a dick if he was just playing at a local but that looks like a tournament.

You'd be suprised how mamy times the vrwators dont think about some things. There os a reason that most competetive games have both writen and unwriten rules

Recently witnessed a 2k game between a guy with a beautifully painted Death Guard army against a guy who brought nothing but Guilliman, one squad of Grey Knight termies, and spent the rest of his points on Culexus assassins (none of which were painted). He tabled the DG player. I naively thought that this level of WAAC faggotry was just a meme, but it turns out people like this actually exist.

Thanks, i was pretty sure it had to do with a null deployment and infiltration

Null deployment was a solid part of the rules for years.

It also makes sense fluffwise.

Complaining about that (in a tournament environment no less) just makes you look like a CAAC retard.
Not saying people getting schooled this hard isn't funny, though.

Had a guy at my FLGS using loaded dice.
Even in non tourney games.
We figured it out when he made eleven stormshield saves in a row and also made all of his charges for his deepstrikers.

Thats pretty low

Do some people really hate losing this much?

>loaded dice
>in fucking 40k
was he literally on the spectrum?

I assume that cheating and avoiding getting caught gives its own thrills too. I think that there is mtg copypasta about a guy who cheated for those reasons.

We have a guy who throws his models and "REEEEs" when he loses a single unit.
He actually makes a "REEEEE" sound.

Man that video is bad.

We also had a guy like that. Quit coming to the store after saying he was going to sue GW for false advertising ( his SMs get slaughtered on table but in lore they're invincible murdermachines).
Quit coming last year and his only friend that still frequents the store said all he does now is set up guardsmen so his Space Marines can kill them at home. He doesn't let the guardsmen overwatch or get melee attacks either.

F O R T H E G R E A T E R G O O D

How old are they approximately? Or do they fit in some stereotypes?

The guy who plays by himself is in his mid thirties and lives with his parents.

sounds like a psychopath

Thats an unlikely set of rolls but still possible, if he rolled eleven 1s and 2s and failed every charge would you even bat an eye?

He rolled over ten for each charge.

I use shared dice for this reason.

wat

>The guy who plays by himself is in his mid thirties and lives with his parents.
I shouldn't laugh, cause appearently I live with my parents until my mid fourties, but damn, that's mega pathetic than

So what? We all have shit/good days.
I'm always worried people will accuse me of cheating. In my last game I rolled 20 dice and hit on a 4+ and not one dice missed. I almost dislike those kinds of rolls since I don't feel I've earned them.

Actually, competitive games just have written rules and just written rules.

Their may be some "unwritten" rules about decorum or behavior, but as far as the game itself goes, the rules in a competitive environment are made EXPLICITLY clear. Closets you get to unwritten rules is officiating, which isn't rules but interpretation and implementation of them.

I get that too, the ones that do that are utter fuckbags.

>cause appearently I live with my parents until my mid fourties,
What?

Eh, I don't think I've encountered any assholes at my FLGS.

What's far more common is people coming over to observe a game, and then trying to strike up a conversation about some other game they like better. This was particularly bad when a buddy asked me to run D&D 5e for he, a friend, and his daughter.

It's a public venue, and geeks are kind of awkward, I get it. Still, I'm trying to run a game, guys.

>friend
Doesn’t sound like much of a friend, friend.

It just comes down to how often in a game you’re pulling those clutch rolls out of your arse. There is no way he made 11 5+ rolls in a row without cheating.

>people obsessed with winning usually have a lifestyle where they are always loosing

Only once in a blue moon do I become the guy saying 'no, you can't take that back' but that is only when a big prize is on the line, but you get the guys who drop extra land a turn, scry draw, extra draw when not looking, knock over dice and set life to a value they want, hide cards behind objects and not declaring they are cast and so on. I just dont care and let them do it, if they feel like they need to cheat it usually means they are already in a loosing position and it wont help them much.

Played in some tourneys back then. Null deployment was a pretty common tactic. If anything, kroot boy was being a dick by essentially preventing the entire game on a technicality.

>would choose his units after i placed mine on the table in deployment

so did you do the same thing then?

The dice were fucking loaded you fucking retard, that's so what, that's how they noticed. Shut up and fuck off.

inb4 he shoots up the store

There have always been those who play the game and those who hack the rules. Case in point, AH's "Midway" game from the 70s. Soon after it's release a loophole in the rules regarding basing planes on US carriers was noted by many and exploited by a few. The rules was first corrected in AH's house magazine, The General, and then in later printings of the rules which was about as fast as it could have been done in those pre-internet days. That didn't stop the Usual Suspects from trying to exploit the loophole however and tourneys made it a point to announce that the loophole would not be allowed before play began. I've seen grown men leave a tourney in disgust because the "cheese" they were counting on employing wasn't going to be allowed.

Now, add WH40K's overly complicated rules with it's spergish player base and you've got a perfect recipe for cheesy play.

While poor losers and cheesy play have alwasy been part of gaming, the levels currently seen do have a generational component. When you're not allowed to lose as a child, when the sports you played in grammar school didn't even keep scores, when "fail" is seen as an insult instead of a learning opportunity, when video "games" can be quickly and endlessly rebooted until "perfect" tactics are discovered, you haven't had many chances to learn how to lose gracefully or to even accept the possibility of losing.

Playing the game versus hacking the rules has always been with us. DBM, with it's older and allegedly more "mature" player base routinely sees it with players who field "all-cavalry" armies. Cheese in WH40K is more a matter of degree than kind. Both the rules and the player base are more amenable to cheesy play, so WH40K sees more of such play. All games and all player bases are susceptible to it however.

I almost wish more of the people at my store were assholes. It's a lot easier to say "I don't want to play with you because you bring boring tourneyfag bullshit" if they aren't a nice person who's enjoyable to talk to.

Its not overlooked. White Scars were explicitly written with that tactic in mind. This is at least one full rules edition ago now, and I haven't followed 40k's rules for a long time, but I remember this making the rounds when it happened, and it wasn't so much "haha the white scars player gets karma" as "the kroot guy was pretty clever actually"