>The antagonist is actually completely justified and good
>The party are actually bad people for trying to stop them
Trying to re-unite and bring order to a kingdom undergoing heavy civil unrest is a noble pursuit of good. Removing monarchy is also good, democracy is a moral good in any setting.
>genocide is good
You can be as justified as you like, but unsavory methods will always damn you.
My villain is an elf ranger of dying out elven species that no one takes seriously. He wants to perform a ritual that will make 1% of human women give birth to elven children, and this gene is impossible to dispose of. So he will save elven race from dying out forever. Humans and elves are otherwise incompatible.
Women pregnant with elves are pregant for more than 2 years, they have malnourishment problems (fetus is much larger), and usually die in childbirth. Rate idea.
>The antagonist is actually completely justified and good
>The party is also completely justified and good for trying to stop them
>Not every completely good and justified person can win, that's just life
>The protagonist is actually completely justified and good
>The heroes are actually bad people for trying to stop them
Trying to re-unite and bring order to a city undergoing heavy civil unrest is a noble pursuit of good. Removing inefficient beurocracy is also good, warlordism is a moral good in any setting.
>democracy is a moral good in any setting
Not even in real life, user. It's a good ideal and in many places it makes life better for its inhabitants, but in a place like the middle east trying to force democracy has only done more harm than good.
I dunno. Kuvira might have been harsh, but she was still up against a super-powered child soldier and her self-righteous handlers, a genocidal madman and his daughter, a bunch of corrupt politicians, and a convicted criminal. The Moral Ball was kinda bouncing on her turf.
and then she decided to make a giant robot and attempt to kill everyone.
FUCK, korra was a garbage show
Mecha are a moral good.
I stopped watching after the whole dumb spirits thing, whats her deal again?
I know she's Literally Hitler™ but that was handwaving to make her a bad guy?`
Was it, or was it like with the mask guy and people simply didn't want to beleive that the guy obviously can hide his ulterior motive while saying another thing.
That's just because of Islam. It's hard to get a government working right when everyone worships a book that says that if you don't topple the government and institute Sharia law (or whatever one thinks is Sharia law) then you are going to be punished for eternity.
>Removing monarchy is also good, democracy is a moral good in any setting.
The hell it is. All you've done is hand power over to the most manipulative and ruthless people. At least with a monarchy there is a chance that your leader is good.
wouldnt the humans just kill the elf babies?
>Season 3
>Madman kills the earth queen
>Earth kingdom falls into chaos
>Kuvira is sent to restore order and unite the earth kingdom
>Season 4
>Kuvira is uniting the earth kingdom, stopping bandits and handing out free food to the starving
>A council of great leaders tell her to hand power over to the rightful earth king
>"No!"
>She announces the earth kingdom becoming an independent earth empire and tells everyone not to cross the borders
In the end they made her actually a bad person, had her invade the united republics because "muh rightful earth kingdom clay" and build a giant mecha that shot spirit lasers or something. I think she also killed, or tried to kill her husband because he betrayed her cause. But for the first half of the season she was a good person, loved by the people and her army.
>neckbeards who can't into history of geopolitics telling everyone that fascism is good
Or just start taking falcon punches to the baby maker around month 10-11?
yes, they would. This curse would be forever with them. so someone eventually would agree to keep the kid. The woman probably dies anyway. There is no abortion in this setting yet.
>>She announces the earth kingdom becoming an independent earth empire and tells everyone not to cross the borders
That's kinda evil, at least on the premise of a super secret club untermensch please do not enter until we have built our extermination force.
I mean then it follows up with the whole walking auschwitz
Given after month 11 or so, they may just abandon the mother to die/abort/etc, the chances of the elven babies actually surviving to adulthood seems rare.
It is easy to distinguish the births, more dangerous for the mothers, and no particular compulsion to raise the child (not that many wouldn't).
Not sure that this would appreciably increase elven children surviving past their first few years, but it might given the sheer population difference that might be in place.
Something to avoid the obvious time difference and it might work.
Or people just being nice enough, despite the horrible health risks, to support the dying race. It'd probably help if they managed to figure out the malnourishment part following that (and the ranger probably should have that on their future plans).
As long as the human race is alive, 1% of the babies would always be elfs, so he kind of saved the elven race
Closing your borders isn't evil, however perhaps the giant mecha killing innocents was slightly evil.
Ossir is just dumb and being manipulated by a smarter villain, so his plan is not perfect. He got persuaded its the best plan.
>Closing your borders
On its own, no. But the intentions behind it might be.
It's a bit weirder because the Earth Kingdom consists of nearly all the land mass in Avatar. There's some tundra near the North Pole, the Fire Nation is a decently large island chain, the United Republic is a tiny sliver of land on the coast of the continent, and there are a few minor independent islands like Kiyoshi. Everywhere else is the Earth Kingdom. Close the borders to it and I don't think anyone inside is even going to notice, it's not like there's that much international trade or migration.
t. Tau player
Wait I just realized, she took control over the EK and closed down the borders on her own without any voting yet she's a hard liberal when it comes to democracy?
So you're just going to ignore the slave labor and 'reeducation camp' stuff, then?
Franco was a hardcore monarchist but only passed power back after he made sure his position was secure and the violence had ended.
Kuvira was not introducing democracy, just going from "kingdom" to "empire"
She, the elected leader of the earth empire closed the borders.
Also she wasn't elected.
>Removing monarchy is also good, democracy is a moral good in any setting.
>What is Fire Emblem
Genocide is good if the enemy is objectively evil. The problem with genocide is that there's no evil gene.
I think you'll find that it's difficult to bring about political and social change if you aren't willing to do some unsavory things. If not, you walk the path of Trudeau, where killing your enemies guarantees their victory.
I like this, but it's very difficult to write.
I think it's a game series, right? Like this cross between an RPG and a turn-based strategy game, set in a fantasy land.
Indeed, and the protagonists are by far and large autocrats of various sorts.
>democracy is good
HAHAHAHAH
read this OP you faggot
Kuvira is an autocrat, and since autocracy is bad Kuvira is bad. Meanwhile, Suyin is an autocrat as well who has the gall to lecture about how monarchy is outdated and turns against Kuvira because her son likes him some of that uniting pussy and joins her instead of standing in his mother's shadow and never becoming more than his mother's successor.
Reminder that Suyin kept fucking things up since her teenaged years and that Lin did nothing wrong.
This the thoughts in this thread are the result of uneducated reactionary stances against uneducated relativism.
This is completely, categorically, and verifiably wrong. Anti-violence and anti-jihadism sentiments are the strongest they've been in literally decades. The Middle East is improving at an astonishing rate socially, politically, and economically. ISIS was a reaction against this change, and has almost completely been put down simply as a result of the increased stability that democratic changes have brought to the region. The threat of militant or extreme Islam or Jihadism is still alive, but it is a shadow of itself from a few years ago, principally because of the new levels of self-reliance that are creating social mobility and capitol where previously there was none.
Literally fucking learn something instead of spouting off whatever misinformation is being fed to you through media and shitty partisan political opinions.
>The Middle East is improving at an astonishing rate socially, politically, and economically
You mean like in the 80s?
>reaction against this change
You mean like in the 80s?
Islam is anathema to progress, and advanced Middle Eastern countries fall back to barbarism sooner or later because of it. Look no further than "secular, democratic" Turkey growing more Islamist and authoritarian over time. Europe is unique in that it has thousands of years of republican heritage, it's not something we can force on desert savages who have known no political theory other than the delusions of a genocidal goatherd.
>antagonist is evil
>antagonist is a cute girl so I support her anyway
>Europe is unique in that it has thousands of years of republican heritage
The uniqueness comes from an understanding of the failings of democracy, and even that is starting to shake in many nations (mostly due to a willful ignorance). There's a reason that the US was founded on the idea that democracy is good when it's not the entire government that's democratic. There's also a reason why people aren't supposed to vote for the actual leader.
I know, I've read (parts of) the Federalist Papers. That's why I referred to Europe's republican heritage, not its democratic heritage. Though to a certain extent I also share Rousseau's disdain for representatives. To paraphrase him, the masses are difficult to bribe but easy to fool whereas representatives are difficult to fool but easy to bribe.
He didn't pass shit until he died
Just like Elvis
>what is Senegal
It's not the religion itself that's the problem, it's religious fundamentalism.
The bible doesn't tell Christians that they should topple the government and institute a Christian government. The Koran was created to be a book of governance as well as for personal guidance. Mohamad afterall was a conqueror and ruler. Jesus was just some hobo telling people not to be dicks.
>you mean like in the 80's
Yea, before Westerner's showed up and destabilized it?
>you mean like in the 90's
Yea, before Westerner's showed up and destabilized it, again?
>Islam is anathema to progress
Okay. What does that have to do with a developing Middle East? Christianity held a virtually identical choke hold on development for thousands of years until the Western world started to secularize. The Middle East is starting to secularize again. As long as Westerners don't show up and destabilize it - again - they won't have a need to regress to theocratic control.
>Europe is unique in that it has thousands of years of Republican heritage
Which helped them so well until radical, completely different ideas about social authority and governmental functions were invented in the 18th century, which would become modern governments that only function based on ideas about the human condition that have only existed for a few hundred years.
>no known political theory
The foundation of government was created in the Middle East. Iran was a prospering body of democratic and progressive freedom until - you guessed it - Westerner's showed up and destabilized it to install a theocratic leadership. They were moving away from Islamic rule, all on their own. They don't even need to develop their own ideas, because the American concept of democracy is culturally and socially agnostic - anyone can adapt it to themselves without changing who they are, which is why it works so well and has become the standard model for democracy globally.
You've got some solid pseudo-intellectual bullshit going on here, but it demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of both history and the present. You also seem to have confused simple rationality with actual analysis. Again, just fucking pick up a book and read, idiot. Literally nothing is preventing you from learning except yourself.
>There is no abortion in this setting yet
You might want to rethink that. Records of herbal and physical methods of abortion/induced miscarriage go back to nearly to the beginning of recorded history.
Kuvira wasn't sent. Suyin wanted to do nothing, so Kuvira quit her job and became a warlord instead.
Weren't there some plants that actually became extinct because they were considered to cause miscarriages?
>Whitey did it
Sure thing m8.
>What does that have to do with a developing Middle East?
I don't know, I wonder what Islam and the Middle East have to do with eachother.
>Christianity held a virtually identical choke hold on development for thousands of years
>thousands
>s
That would not only imply it held a chokehold on Europe for its entire existence, but it would also discount the developments of the ... well, of all of Western civilization up until about a century ago. Two centuries if you're pushing it. You need to understand the two religions are fundamentally different in next to everything, including their approach to religion. There is no biblical foundation for theocracy, whereas in Islam no other regime is really legitimized.
>Which helped them so well until radical, completely different ideas about social authority and governmental functions were invented in the 18th century
Revisit the French and American revolutions, and to what extreme extent they borrow from Rome. Modern European governments could not have existed without their Roman heritage.
>The foundation of government was created in the Middle East.
The Pre-Islamic Middle East, sure. Such a shame Islam has an obsession with destroying what came before it.
>The problem isn't an idea, it's people who take that idea seriously
IS democracy flawed?
There's at least one that was popular in ancient Greece that is speculated to have been harvested to extinction for that reason but it's worth keeping in mind that records from that time can be a little vague so there's certainly some guessing involved.
Democracy defeated ISIS? Really? REALLY!?
The United States armed ISIS and friends in an attempt to "democratize" Syria. An attempt that failed, because Assad (an autocrat) is still in power.
>The foundation of government was created in the Middle East. Iran was a prospering body of democratic and progressive freedom until - you guessed it - Westerner's showed up and destabilized it to install a theocratic leadership. They were moving away from Islamic rule, all on their own.
You're retarded. The United States was attempting to install a democratic government, not Iran's current government.
And you ignored the user's point about Turkey. It was far more "democratic" and secular in the 30s than it is today. Erdogan has been heavily appealing to anti-Western Islamist populism
>skitter is justified and good
Skitter might have been pushed into situations but she escalated them far too much and none of her methods were 'good'. She carved out a dude's eyes with maggots when he was powerless to stop her.
>warlordism is good
Get a load of this guy.cam
What political system isn't?
>its not a direct democracy, therefore its not democracy at all
>a republic isnt democracy because representatives make decisions
Hey, do you know what another name for the kind of republic you're talking about is? A representative democracy.
The concept of democracy has significantly less to do with how political and governmental decisions are made than most people think. The concept of democracy is much more about from where a government derives its authority.
>whitey did it
Literally historically verified fact, but sure live in denial.
>I wonder what Islam and the Middle East have to do with each other
You should, since you demonstrably don't understand the relationship yourself.
>it would also discount the developments of the ... well, all of Western Civilization
Yes, under your logic, it absolutely would. It's a good thing your logic is completely flawed.
>two centuries if youre pushing it
More like 5 or 6, considering secularization had been growing since the early Renaissance, but sure.
>to what extreme they borrow from Rome
Revisit how Rome and Greek both failed, and how the fundamental difference between the U.S. Constitution and anything that came before relied on literally revolutionary ideas about the human condition that were invented within the life time of the framers of the Constitution. No one is denying that the concept of a democracy is new; it didn't work until the 18th century for a reason, and that reason was our limited understanding of the bullying nature of human beings and how to control it.
>Islam has an obsession with destroying what came before it
Sure, but again - the Middle East has self-induced secularization twice within the last century, and both times were doing quite well before foreign influence destabilized it.
>tfw morally bankrupt cowards don’t understand that magic is literally everything
Yes, the increased stability that has been afforded to Middle Eastern countries through democracy and globalization directly influenced the gutting of ISIS's social and military power. Welcome to reality, friend.
>the United States armed ISIS in an attempt to democratize Syria
The United States armed ISIS to start another proxy war to reduce Russia's growing antagonistic efforts by focusing their attention on something else in the region. Again, learn some history, and these kinds of things become readily apparent.
>The United States was attempting to install a democratic government, not Iran's current government
Funny how Iran already had a democratic government before Russia got involved with them, which is what brought in the U.S.'s involvement that eventually led to revolution that replaced Iran's democratic government - that they made all on their own, by the way - with it's current autocratic one. We kind of have a bad history with that - ya know, Communism in Cuba and across South America, Al Qaeda in Afghanistan.
>ignore
Implying. I didn't ignore anything, I simply didn't address it. Turkey has been impacted by the same Westernly induced destabilization that has caused the most recent chain of Islamic extremism, on top of its own problems. It doesn't help that it's right in the middle of proxy war territory between waning U.S. influence and a resurgence of Russian antagonism.
You, just like the other user, do a really good job of reading or listening to things and then confusing simple rationality with actual analysis. You've failed to understand essential factors that are playing into the situation and are instead pigeonholing incredibly concept issues into very simple causes that you can understand.
tl;dr - no, ur retarded
Evil campaigns are the best campaigns.
Moralfags get out.
It is the WORST form of government save for all others that have been tried.
This user gets it.
Korra is pretty cute too. Until she starts speaking. Though she probably would be ok as a hero if someone put a gag on her and just pointed her at targets.
>I think she also killed, or tried to kill her husband because he betrayed her cause.
If I remember right it was the other way around. Korra and Co caught her husband and tried to use him as a bargaining chip. And Kuvira ordered just to level the whole building. After that he betrayed her or something.
CUTE is not the word I'd use to describe Korra. I'd use SEX-INCARNATE.
i miss kuvira
>Funny how Iran already had a democratic government before Russia got involved with them, which is what brought in the U.S.'s involvement that eventually led to revolution that replaced Iran's democratic government - that they made all on their own, by the way - with it's current autocratic one.
There was zero chance of that government lasting. literally the only thing holding them together had been hating the Shah
>The antagonist is actually completely justified and good
>The party are actually bad people for trying to stop them
Wow user that's so fucking clever I've literally never heard of anyone doing that before haha brilliant
>Though she probably would be ok as a hero if someone put a gag on her and just pointed her at targets.
One could imagine brainwashing her, slowly reducing her higher brain function until she is nothing but a war weapon, implanted with numerous triggers and command words. There's not much of any intelligence left to remove anyway.
Sure, but democracy's strength is that it deals with human failings the best. All flavors of authoritarianism inevitably becomes horrible to its people in time.
Think Fable 3 did it better though.
It dealt the best with them. With the rise of media it became less certain.
Woah, that just makes me like her even more. Now I'm a #KuviraCarer.
I want to cuddle Korra!
>democracy is a moral good
Our relative quality of life is higher than all of history. Look at any statistics on education, crime, living conditions, etc., and it's all positive. If anything the flaw with current media is that it relies so much on shock and fearmongering that people are convinced that everything is going to shit.
>democracy is a moral good in any setting.
Why is George Bush on Veeky Forums
Yes, and?
>tips Uncle Sam's top hat
>Trying to re-unite and bring order to a kingdom undergoing heavy civil unrest is a noble pursuit of good.
And she pursued it in the worst way possible, making it bad.
>Removing monarchy is also good, democracy is a moral good in any setting.
Good thing she installed a dictatorship instead of a democracy.
>she was still up against a super-powered child soldier and her self-righteous handlers,
Kuvira is self-righteous.
>a genocidal madman and his daughter,
The genocidal madman was no longer genocidal nor a madman.
>a bunch of corrupt politicians,
A ruthless dictator who puts dissenters in work camps is so much better, ay?
>and a convicted criminal.
Suspect in an ongoing investigation, you can't prove anything.
>But for the first half of the season she was a good person, loved by the people and her army.
Love is hard to get when you put people in concentration camps.
The massive restriction in civil liberties over the last forty years across the Western world may have something to do with that as well.
Crime's up, education standards are dropping, people are paid less and live in worse buildings then their parents, overal earnings are done, culture is smashed to shit, terrorism is on the rise, sexual crimes are skyrocketing, etc.
Might be great on a macro scale but for where I am, it's going down hill.
>Crime's up
Can you tell me what country you're in? Fucking South Africa? Because as far as I can tell crime is down in both the US and Western Europe.
>education standards are dropping
Admittedly it's a double edged sword: this generation is the most educated generation to have ever lived, but as a result a university diploma is next to worthless.
>people are paid less
>live in worse buildings than their parents
>overall earnings are done
Can you cite some sources for it? And I don't mean that the rich have become richer in relative terms, I mean sources demonstrating that (adjusted for inflation) we earn less than our grandparents did. As for the rest, that's mostly down to an irresponsible migration policy.
This too. It's hypocritical that our governments celebrate 'liberty' and 'western values' when you can get jailed for de facto thought crimes.
>technological progress = social progress
>And she pursued it in the worst way possible, making it bad.
Not even close. I could probably come up with 10 more horrible ways to do it in a couple of minutes.
Telford, UK. Might have heard about in the news today.
>this generation is the most educated generation to have ever lived
Only on paper. Flynn Effect has reversed, any non-selective highschool with a graduation rate above 50% is fraudulent.
>Not even close. I could probably come up with 10 more horrible ways to do it in a couple of minutes.
DO IT FAGGOT
>Telford, UK
I see, so you actually fell for sensationalist reporting rather than facts.
Yeah, true that. Flynn himself actually reported on a negative Flynn effect in France I think. Though that's a very recent thing if I'm not mistaken, and I think that in general we're education-wise better off than most people 100 years ago. This is something that should technically be reversible (but there's a lack of political will).
You forgot the ethnic cleansing. Speaking of which, I wonder what happened to the swampbenders. They invaded their swamp to harvest energy for a super weapon from their sacred tree and yet we never see them.
Democracy was a good idea, but it don't know one single country that's actually a democracy. It doesn't work
Democracy wasn't a good idea, it was a PR campaign by a bunch of the richest men on earth, designed to appeal to old-world idealists for whom "we should get to experiment with democracy!" was a better pitch than "wealth should trump age of bloodline in determining precedence among aristocrats!"
>trump age
Fuck off /pol/
don't bring american politics into everything.
Kuvira was a great antagonist until the last scene reduced her to "mommy issues: the character". Book 4 was a mistake.
Honestly the entirety of Korra is plagued by Bryke having good ideas but lacking the writing chops to pull them through. Republic city in Book 1 was a fantastic, imaginative setting, but after it flopped because they wrote the conflict stupidly they reverted to the ATLA "wander the world and beat up baddies" model. Book 2, despite having a top 3 episode(s) from the entire franchise in Beginnings, ruined both spirits and the Eastern-inspired philosophy in favor of good versus evil. Book 3 was pretty amazing though. Book 4 was a giant disappointment.
You realize trump is a verb right
Well, just to start - murder the fuck out of any firebenders. Especially if they have roots in the Fire Nation. Considering that I will have earth benders in the army burying them won't be a problem.
Do not give free food. Instead use people in provinces with food shortages to murder the fuck out of people who oppose me and allow them to take their food. They would make for really nice death squads.
Kill the fuck out of that empty space that was supposedly the next earth king. Preferably in a really gruesome manner. Like grind him alive with stones. Do the same to the leaders of any opposition especially if they were trying to support this fucker.
It also means that Suyin, her sons and whoever else was supporting them are executed the moment they get caught. No sending them to prison - just murder the fuckers. They wanted to do the same after all.
Do not build a giant robot. Instead make a couple of smaller guns and just burn all the farmland around Republic City, and after that cover the sea approach with them so that they won't be able to import food by water. Starve the city until they surrender.
Murder Korra if the opportunity arises. It's not like she ever did anything good. Maybe next Avatar will be less of an idiot.