What are things aliens would find truly alien about humans?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

What are things extraterrestrials or extra-planar beings would find truly alien about humans?

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news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/09/human-violence-evolution-animals-nature-science/
youtube.com/watch?v=HlmKejRSVd8
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_sphere
youtube.com/watch?v=Qam5BkXIEhQ&list=PLIIOUpOge0LvHsTP5fm8oxB1qPS54sTMk&index=1&t=0s
youtube.com/watch?v=nkcKaNqfykg
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KIC_8462852).
youtube.com/watch?v=7tScAyNaRdQ
youtube.com/watch?v=KRGca_Ya6OM
prod.sandia.gov/techlib/access-control.cgi/1992/921382.pdf

Spamalot
Spamalot

We like to stab ourselves with shiny rocks just to look prettier.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Nothing because there are no aliens within a half-billion years or the evidence of their existence would be overwhelming. The fact that you see stars in the sky indicates that there are no intelligent space civilizatio s around.

Firespawn
Firespawn

Well ain't you a barrel of laughs

Illusionz
Illusionz

Care to explain why the evidence would be there?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

The fact that you see stars in the sky indicates that there are no intelligent space civilizatio s around.

What sort of fucked logic is this

SniperGod
SniperGod

That it would often take a horrendous threat or tragedy for us to even consider banding together instead of killing and hurting each other.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

wen u want ppl 2 think ur smrt but ur not smrt

FastChef
FastChef

It's based on the assumption any race that was advanced enough to build Dyson Spheres/Swarms would do so since it's the logical thing to do. This would obscure the star it was built around.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

He's somewhat right, as the presense of any alien life that's more advanced then us within a half billion light years would be visible as the only logical progression of a civilisation is to move towards being a K2 then K3 civilisation, meaning any intelligent life in that area is laughably close to our own in technology or not there at all.

The gap between how advanced they are from us grows with distance for them being there without us being able to see them, but it's safe to assume that our galaxy and those around us do not have intelligent life.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Homicidal tendencies. It's quite rare to see members of one species kill each other as passionately as people do.

RavySnake
RavySnake

Consider how old the universe is. Consider how much time it took Earth life before it produced us. Any alien is going to be separated from us by millions of years. You could colonize the entire galaxy even without ever discoverimg FTL and turn every star into a Dyson Sphere with these timelines. FTL only means they would do it faster.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

This is "only humans fight war" tier wrong

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

It's quite rare to see members of one species kill each other as passionately as people do.
Bull shit. Nature is violet.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

There’s probably some nearby, but rather than explore the galaxy they took a look up at the stars and said “Nah, fuck that.” Then they mined up their star system, built a Dyson sphere around their star, and set up their solar-powered NEET-lairs so they can jack off in VR for the rest of time.

massdebater
massdebater

All of them, down to the last, made that choice? Unlikely.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Hair is a biological structure that evolved nowhere else

”Humans produce their own heat, what the fuck?”

They digest things by dissolving food...in ACID they store in an organ called a “stomach”

whereismyname
whereismyname

HFY Alert!
Pretty sure that the first one is wrong too

Inmate
Inmate

Why would any intelligent alien species want to construct a useless meme like a Dyson sphere? Let alone turn the whole galaxy into them? Building one takes so much energy that if you can already harness that much, you don't need the fucking sphere anymore.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

That's hard to define without knowing anything of the corresponding point of view.

They might have no hearing senses, their DNA equivalent might be radically different, their species might think remarkable that we aren't the most violent species in the planet*, that we sleep.

*17% of lemurs die due to another lemur, in humans this is 1,33% nowadays.
news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/09/human-violence-evolution-animals-nature-science/

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

On the one hand this does reek of HFY, on the other there is evidence to suggest that silicon based life is more likely to arise then carbon based life.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

I don't think you know what a Dyson sphere is

DeathDog
DeathDog

Wait, seriously? I've only heard the opposite, and that ammonia based life is the other decent candidate. Source?

Soft_member
Soft_member

Source?
Sorry satan, was something that came up in passing years ago in a biology class I took as a minor, could be wrong, was just a hypothesis at the time that was brought up in conversation by my teacher that didn't relate to the work.

w8t4u
w8t4u

What if they created other sources of energy that we could not yet comprehend or move in a 4th or 5th spacial dimension?

Just curious

Techpill
Techpill

Well, our current model of the universe doesn't include 4th/5th spatial dimensions that work that way, sooo...

Methshot
Methshot

Damn near everything.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

That would answer things, though it requires assuming physics we have no reason to assume exist. It also still means nothing within our galaxy is that advanced because we'd know by virtue of them physically being here, and they'd have no reason to hide.

WebTool
WebTool

Yes, I do. They are fucking useless. In order to build one, you need access to an energy source that makes stars themselves look like quaint little Christmas lights.

Your argument boils down to "if aliens were real, they would have built this retarded scifi concept because of course they would". It's like saying we know there's no intellignet life in the universe because there isn't evidence of a statue the length of a million miles in the shape of an alien dick anywhere.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

most probably boobs

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

There's an alternative solution: This is a digital zoo. The aliens arrived to our planet millions of years ago. Seeing digital life as more efficient and less wasteful that biological life, they uploaded every brain they could find into digital format and unceremoniously proceeded to dismantle the whole solar system to build a matrioshka brain and make room for trillions of earth-like simulations. From the outside universe perspective, not even a second has passed since they turned on the simulation.

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Lunatick
Lunatick

Too much speculation involved to give a helpful answer.

girlDog
girlDog

Yeah you have at best a skewed image of what they are, we already, today, have the technology to build one, just not the infrastructure. I don't know where you got the idea that you need some vast amounts of energy to make them, because you're so laughably off the mark you aren't on the map anymore.

happy_sad
happy_sad

Yeah, those don't even really make sense to human biologists.

5mileys
5mileys

they'd have no reason to hide.

Prime directive.

Methnerd
Methnerd

there isn't evidence of a statue the length of a million miles in the shape of an alien dick anywhere.
Come to think of it, ...

Snarelure
Snarelure

Bust every single rare earth element in a galaxy and then some on a single giant solar panel
Logical

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Prime directive is actually pretty morally abhorrent when you actually put it under any level of scrutiny, no advanced civilisation would adopt it.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

That's not what a dyson sphere is

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

You are thinking of the popular notion of a Dyson Sphere, which is just a shell. Nothing stops you from building trillions of space habitats in a swarm that would serve the same purpose. It is not even high tech, it's just a matter of scale.

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Stupidasole
Stupidasole

No, faggot, you're full of shit. We do NOT have the ability to build that shit. You have no concept of how retarded the scale is when you talk about covering a fucking STAR in solar panels.

Even if Earth was somehow united in perfect harmony we wouldn't be able to build one.

Supergrass
Supergrass

.... Explain?

massdebater
massdebater

Since a lot of people here have no idea what a Dyson Sphere is, youtube.com/watch?v=HlmKejRSVd8

likme
likme

Conflicting instincts between our species and theirs. A race might have a defensive posture that they assume when threatened (like armadillos) whereas humans have adrenaline which forces a flight or fight response. They slow down and hunker up while we get faster and more aggressive.

SniperWish
SniperWish

You're right, we don't have the infrastructure to build one. Not sure what we're in disagreement over since I said exactly that. I just pointed out we have the technology to do so.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

It's based on the assumption any race that was advanced enough to build Dyson Spheres/Swarms would do so since it's the logical thing to do

Which is a completely retarded assumption.

Not to mention that there is like a million year gap at the very least between our technology level and ability to build a Dyson sphere. Plenty of shit fits in that gap.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

And we men, the creatures who inhabit this earth, must be to them at least as alien and lowly as are the monkeys and lemurs to us.
Well, there's a lot we can speculate about, but most likely literally everything.

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Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

We can actually make a partial dyson swarm by disassembling just mercury. This is enough to being the industrial production of proton-sized artificial black holes and antimatter for energy storage.

For a complete one, we would need to disassemble venus, mars and a good number of asteroids and moons....except, if we mine the Sun itself. Most of the mass of the solar system is trapped in the sun. We can harvest raw materials from the Sun itself and never touch a planet.

happy_sad
happy_sad

Which is a completely retarded assumption

Not really, unless they're so alien as to not have a form of intellect that'll drive them to reach space travel to begin with, there's no rational line of thought that doesn't lead them to building them.

a million year gap at the very least between our technology level and ability to build a Dyson sphere

We already have the technology to built one now, in fact we have for about 40 years now, the problem is we don't have the infrastructure, but unless some cataclysm occurs we'll have turned our system into one before the year 3000, possibly even centuries before that.

Inmate
Inmate

Things that are probably odd about earth vertebrates:
The jaw. No other form of life on earth has that kind of mouth and it evolved from a really specific gill structure, so it seems unlikely to show up often.
Respiratory intake. Sucking air through your feeding hole is a risky strategy, unlikely to be selected for.

Things about Earth which are odd:
Huge moon. Could possibly have made us understand things like gravity, orbits and so on earlier in the development of technology than most species. We might also be odd in having adaptations for moderate light, while most aliens will have evolved for direct sunlight or just starlight with not much in-between. Being able to go without sleep to any significant degree could be kind of unusual.
Gravity seems to be about the upper limit for conventional rockets to work. Might make us early adopters for space stuff if most others have to wait until they get atomic rockets working or a 'high g' race if they evolved where it isn't too hard to make orbit.

Things that are odd about humans as a species even among earth vertebrates:
Upright posture.
Serious endurance.
Accurate long-range vision with three different colour receptors while not being capable of flight. Also, fuck-all night vision (kind of goes hand-in-hand with the long-range, since reflectors inside the eye boost the signal but also the noise).

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

You only have a mental block result of your image derived from scifi. A Dyson Swarm is not high tech. It just a lot of space stations and satellites build over time.

DeathDog
DeathDog

....How is this any different then what said? Are you just going to pretend arguments against it don't exist? I know you're probably an under ager just learning about it and thinking you stumbled on something world changing but it's not sensible to build a complete Dyson sphere.

JunkTop
JunkTop

Just link the wikipedia article instead of some retarded video. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_sphere

It says right at the start: a dyson sphere is a thought experiment of a megastructure that encompasses a star and captures its energy output (almost) fully. That's the basic version. Since everybody knows a solid sphere that covers a star is retarded even as a fantasy, they have proposed a "dyson swarm" of orbiting panel modules (that don't completely envelop the star, and thus wouldn't completely conceal it either) as an alternative.

But if you want the retarded "stars wouldn't be visible at all" argument to work, you can't use a swarm. You need the actual sphere. An actual solid object that covers the entire fucking star. And that is NOT something you can just assume civilizations would start to build as the next logical step after our stage.

5mileys
5mileys

Most of the mass of the solar system is trapped in the sun. We can harvest raw materials from the Sun itself and never touch a planet.
So how are you going to convert hydrogen mass of the sun to literally everything else again?

Skullbone
Skullbone

Since everybody knows a solid sphere that covers a star is retarded even as a fantasy, they have proposed a "dyson swarm" of orbiting panel modules (that don't completely envelop the star, and thus wouldn't completely conceal it either) as an alternative.

no, that was what a dyson sphere always was, normies just misinterpreted it as being a solid sphere and that became so prevalent that the term dyson swarm was created to be what everyone who knows what they're talking about was calling a dyson sphere to begin with.

But if you want the retarded "stars wouldn't be visible at all" argument to work, you can't use a swarm

you've evidently never seen a swarm of anything in your life

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

there's no rational line of thought that doesn't lead them to building them.
Except they'd have to tear down several galaxies just to build one, fusion reactors are basically mini sun's anyways,and far less logistics and resources are needed for fission/fusion reactors,not to mention they're more scalable.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Stellar lifting

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

We already have the technology to built one now,

No we don't you imbecile. We can build a solar panel. That is not the same thing as ability to build what is effectively infinite amount of them, AND place them in synchronous orbit an absurd distance away from us in space AND maintain them all the way out there somehow. You don't understand how stupid you're being. It's like you invented the waterwheel and went "we basically have tidal power now, everything else is just infrastructure".

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

That's the basic version. Since everybody knows a solid sphere that covers a star is retarded even as a fantasy, they have proposed a "dyson swarm" of orbiting panel modules (that don't completely envelop the star, and thus wouldn't completely conceal it either) as an alternative.
THANK YOU

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Oh yeah, then what's below Orion's belt?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Get a load of this guy

Playboyize
Playboyize

Depends on the species really. I'm sure they would be interested in our cultural traditions at the very least, holidays etc

Methshot
Methshot

Except they'd have to tear down several galaxies just to build one

What? I mean seriously, what? You wouldn't even be done using all the material of the rock planets in our system before you'd be done making one.

I don't know what the difference between technology and infrastructure is, therefore YOU are the idiot

If you can build something without a single new piece of technology being invented, only more of what already exists being built, it's not technology you're lacking. People like you are probably amazed and baffled by a Model T.

TreeEater
TreeEater

So star trek transfiguration that you left out conveniently? Nice larp pack it up boys.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

no, that was what a dyson sphere always was

No. A dyson sphere is LITERALLY a solid sphere. You are the one who is wrong you fucking fuck.

eGremlin
eGremlin

That is not the same thing as ability to build what is effectively infinite amount of them, AND place them in synchronous orbit an absurd distance away from us in space AND maintain them all the way out there somehow.
No joke man

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

I don't know what fusion is

alright then

Dyson was wrong about his own creation

sure thing buddy

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

There is no existing technology that permits mining the sun for materials, or disassembling whole planets for materials, or building the panel modules in deep space, or placing the panel modules in orbit around the sun. You are a FUCKING RETARD.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

You wouldn't even be done using all the material of the rock planets in our system before you'd be done making one.
I don't think you realize how big the average star is compared to asteroids,plus Venus,plus Mercury.

viagrandad
viagrandad

You can by using particle accelerators around the Sun. But you don't need to. The Sun is a population I star, metal-rich (elements heavier than hydrogen) compared to first generations stars. 99.8% of the mass in the solar system is in the Sun. We can take advantage of the convective nature of the outer layers to harvest heavier materials.

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Techpill
Techpill

You didn't even argue against fusion?? Are you just baiting here?

Skullbone
Skullbone

Stuff we have the technology for isn't possible because I say so

Guess what, you're wrong.

I don't think you understand what a dyson sphere is or how much mass it actually has compared to its perceived volume

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Dysonfag btfo

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Why are people who think Star Wars is realistic science fiction posting in here?

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Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

That humans seem to celebrate things they don't actually want people to do, such as when humans sit around a screen and watch people pretend to commit violent crimes.

That suicide by quick means (like a weapon) is banned but slow suicide by ingesting poison into their body over time (like smoking) is not.

That humans murder their babies in the womb and society calls it freedom.

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AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

metal-rich (elements heavier than hydrogen) compared to first generations stars. 99.8% of the mass in the solar system is in the Sun.
Those metals are only a few elements of all the ones we need, assuming we could build and send equipment out to the sun regularly, and that still wouldn't account for us needing to build other molecules from elements the sun doesn't have or how viable solar farming even is proportional to our needs. It's physically possible,but engineering wise it probably isn't. At least in the centuries to come.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

the only logical progression of a civilisation is to move towards being a K2 then K3 civilisation
This is faulty logic. It's the logical progression for beings that think exactly as we do on that timescale, but not for any civilization. Even the idea that space travel is the logical next step for an intelligent species instead of something humans think is neat is a science fiction assumption. Nothing necessitates that you "boldly go", especially on an interstellar scale. What stops aliens from getting to a level of technology that allows them to keep their home planet safe from external harm and just choosing to live the rest of their existence inside the Matrix?

King_Martha
King_Martha

Plays AI on Stellaris
Disgusting.

w8t4u
w8t4u

Wouldnt most ayys that were very advanced find it easier to just go full Matrix? It's arguably easier and cheaper:
build the pods
drones tend the pods
people born into a literal paradise, with some AI running the show(s)
poor people living like the ultra rich, cuz electrons are cheap
as people age and die they are removed, and population slowly allowed to decline to sustainable resource consumption levels for pod/drone manufacturing

There'd be little point to a space faring civ if you can just program up an infinite world, customizable to individual taste.

likme
likme

The Sun is a population I star, metal-rich (elements heavier than hydrogen) compared to first generations stars.

In fact, no first-generation star (Population III) has ever been found. We think they are all extinct. They were probably supermassive and lasted just a few millions years before becoming supernovas.

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Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Obviously if a civilisation could do _____ they would
No other topic of debate makes assumptions as large or flimsy as the debates about extra terrestrial societies. Its like the simulatipn theory, which is literally 'If we assume the world is a simulation, its a simulation!'

Fucking waste of time debating these things with such closed minds as to make any assumptions

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

What stops aliens from getting to a level of technology that allows them to keep their home planet safe from external harm and just choosing to live the rest of their existence inside the Matrix?

The fact that their sun will eventually burn out, which will be a problem if they don't send out AI ships to collect galaxies worth of resources to artificially extend their civilisation's lifespan after that point.

Even if they want to live as NEETs, there is no situation where collecting as much mass and energy as possible makes sense.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Noses. Noses are weird. Most other animals on our planet have the nose built into the jawline. Humans have this weird protuberance. It's us, tapirs, a few types of shrew, and elephants. We're weird creatures, aliens would cop onto that.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Oh no user, he's correctly pointing out that saying this progression is obvipusly the next step is making an argument based on nothing, literally just saying 'This would happen, thus it would' as though that gives any concrete evidence for this happening.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

It's not closed minded assumption given no one has yet conceived of a type of society that would not do it, only ones that would leave it to AI to do it for them instead of doing it themselves.

The only logical assumptions that actually make any sense are 1) there's physics beyond our understanding of the universe that make building them make no sense, or 2) there are no civilisations within our line of sight. There is no third option.

Unless we assume they're all idiots comparable to those who think a dyson sphere takes more mass then a galaxy to build

TreeEater
TreeEater

Outstanding Post.

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Evilember
Evilember

eventually burn out

So if our sun is a decent example, the robots may have PLENTY of time to take a genetic sample elsewhere and start over with a new Matrix. 1 million years is longer than human civilization, let alone hundreds of millions or billions depending.

WebTool
WebTool

In astronomy anything that it is not hydrogen or helium is considered a metal because how stupidly common these two are. Incidentally, oxygen is the third most common atom in the universe. Mos of the atoms on Earth are Oxygen or Iron in various molecules.

whereismyname
whereismyname

See, this user knows whats up. That the only things we can assume are that if it exists, its not currently observable by us

Supergrass
Supergrass

The timescale we're talking about doesn't allow for "starting somewhere else", there isn't a "somewhere else" to go. We aren't talking about billions of years here, we're talking about quadrillions of years.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Good post here too

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Yes. And?

Supergrass
Supergrass

Unless we assume they're all idiots comparable to those who think a dyson sphere takes more mass then a galaxy to build
Prove it's possible. The on us is on you. Stars are fucking massive and apparently you think we can and should just fly up there and solar lift/panel it up. Explain how it's materially possible.

Spamalot
Spamalot

their sun will eventually burn out
Assuming they don't either find a way to use their advanced technology to keep that from happening, or even just make their own sun unnecessary. If you're living in a pod while you frolic through virtual reality fields all day, what do you need a sun for? All you need is a sustainable power source to replace it and a way to keep your own body (or even just your own consciousness) going.

There's no reason to think that the human ideals of "expand, keep making more of us, get more things, get us to new places" either would necessarily be the case in other intelligent species- or even that it would keep being the case for us as we develop.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

They would probably find mammalian things weird. Like boobs, and having children grow inside females.

w8t4u
w8t4u

"In astronomy anything that it is not hydrogen or helium is considered a metal"
Noble gases are metals

Supergrass
Supergrass

Of all the posts to have such digits used on, it was wasted on that. Here's how: we already have the technology to do it, we have for decades, we just lack the scale of industry to do it, and there is nothing that insentivises us not doing it and no line of thought that makes not doing so make sense in the long term. You people have failed to come up with a line of thought that would make not doing so make sense, but then you're probably the type of person who opposes nuclear energy anyway.

If you're living in a pod while you frolic through virtual reality fields all day, what do you need a sun for? All you need is a sustainable power source to replace it and a way to keep your own body (or even just your own consciousness) going.

yes, and doing what you propose means lasting billions of years, while collecting resources means lasting millions of times that long. Even if you keep your numbers down, you'd still want AI to collect resources for you for when the sun burns out.

farquit
farquit

I mean if we are talking "heat death of the universe" timespans then there probably isnt much of an option so far as I've heard, barring some amazing energy source that can produce enough power to last us through the long, cold night to follow. Or it turns out parallel universes arent a meme and we Combine our way somewhere else, but i wouldnt place bets on that.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Drinking other animals milk is kinda weird

Techpill
Techpill

Yeah, that's just it, if we're going to die anyway, why only last billions of years when we could last millions of times that long?

SniperGod
SniperGod

Don't respond to the idiot that thinks a fucking dyson sphere would take up an entire galaxies worth of materials. Either he's a literal retard or more than likely is a troll.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Its green you fucking Mong

farquit
farquit

One solution for the lack of evidence of K2 civilizations even from galaxies far away is that they quickly transition into K3 and proceed to dismantle the galaxy into a more compact form. Every second that passes, there are less hydrogen in the galaxy. Every second that passes energy is wasted into the void. That energy will never come back due the second law of thermodynamics. There will be a time when there will be no longer stars around and no free sources of energy left and an advanced civilization will prepare for it.

A civilization that plans over astronomical periods of time may conclude that the best way to last as long as possible well beyond past the stelliferous era (the young era of when stars dominate the universe) is to proceed to resource hoard every resource that they can reach and store all of them in a megastructure around their supermassive black hole along with their entire civilization (likely in digital form for maximum efficiency). Any excessive heat that they produce can be dumped into the black hole making them undetectable.

As they lose the stored fuel and energy, they would star farming rotational energy from the black hole and then from hawking radiation over periods of time that makes the stelliferous era a blink in the eye.

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haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Here's how
Proceeds to ignore amount of materials required to blot out the sun
Better more scalable tech available
Interdasting.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

OP, that's such an incredibly open-ended question as to be useless. So I'll use my homebrew as an example.

There are really only 4 races in this setting, to avoid Planet of Hats; and one isn't a PC race at all. It basically goes like this:

Kentaurans (Goblins /casual | Goateyes /expletive)
Humans are a weird race of giants that are too big to properly clamber about in trees, have fingers that are stubby and have too many of them, are big, muscular, and pretty fucking tough, but breed slowly. They have no tolerance for chlorine and get sick a lot, thankfully with sicknesses that don't easily effect us. They've had endoskeletons for longer than us, so they're fairly tough and not as reedy as ours.
Krii''t2!ti3!a (Sirians /formal | Clickers /casual | Bugs /expletive)
Humans are fuck-off huge, bipedal, predatory, and smelly as fuck. They only have four limbs, only use two to walk, and are still big enough to crush you if they step on you. Their skin smells like literal terror, and their breath smells universally like garbage because they use spurs of bone to "chew" their food, which includes meat and sometimes insects like us. Fortunately, they're mostly nice folk, and some of the nicer ones will even cart you around if you ask; they make great friends if you lack a sense of smell and/or fear. They're also bloody smart, but we've been catching up thanks to the fact that they breed so incredibly slowly. They're also fuckhuge and thus can't fit into smaller spaces, so if one wants to squish you you can always just crawl into a hole. They also can't see in the UV, which is weird, and can see red, which is weirder.
YHWH (no casual)
The genetically brutalized shocktroops of Jehovah the Out-thrown. Do not engage in close combat - be aware of ambushes. Reasonably clever; primitive weapons are still effective at close range. Shipmasters be warned they have been known to ram when approached closely - standard combat doctrine is ineffective, maintain distance.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

I think there was confusion somewhere. I meant that if the solar system is no longer viable, just move the matrix somewhere else, and do so until theres nowhere else to go (ideally the AI finds a solution to that, like a portable station but then power would be a potential issue..). If im not mistaken that was your suggestion too

happy_sad
happy_sad

No my suggestion was gathering resources for when the last star burns out, since there are plenty of ways for a civilisation to go on after that, to the point where the period of time where stars exist could be remembered as the hot, quick and chaotic start of a civilisation.

Here's a pretty long video going into details. youtube.com/watch?v=Qam5BkXIEhQ&list=PLIIOUpOge0LvHsTP5fm8oxB1qPS54sTMk&index=1&t=0s

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Astronomers use the word "metals" as a convenient short term for "all elements except hydrogen and helium".

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Don't you love it when people just assert something as obvious when it comes to philosophy/morality? It's like listening to a vegan

RumChicken
RumChicken

He still thinks Noble gases are metals
Making up his own argument by popularity out of nowhere

TechHater
TechHater

Oh neat, i'll check that out. I guess I assumed you could only hoard for so long before it was Entropy-1, The Universe-0

eGremlin
eGremlin

This. Boobs are crazy.

Illusionz
Illusionz

...... Scrutinizen?

Supergrass
Supergrass

I assumed you could only hoard for so long before it was Entropy-1, The Universe-0

That is the case, but gathering as much as possible before the suns burn out increases the time that takes by countless orders of magnitude

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

doing what you propose means lasting billions of years, while collecting resources means lasting millions of times that long. Even if you keep your numbers down, you'd still want AI to collect resources for you for when the sun burns out
And in the grand scheme of things, that's not a lot of resources. There's no need to expand, just collect enough to keep the lights on, and with a sufficiently efficient energy source that might not be very much at all. And that's assuming you don't come up with an energy source that can literally or at least functionally last forever.

And it's also assuming that they have an interest in actually being around for as long as possible on that kind of scale. What if they can keep their individual bodies alive as long as they like? What if they can compress the flow of experiences in their simulated reality to greater than real time on top of that, like in a dream? Maybe the dream of living forever seems immature, when you're on an astronomic level. Once you've had a billion years worth of life and love and experience, would you really care about having a hundred billion more?

Bidwell
Bidwell

Not sure. Depends on what's normal for them. For all we know, the most alien thing they'd see on Earth is macaroni and cheese - I mean, who in their right mind would make a dish like that?

Or maybe they think the idea that we are made in the image of God/the gods/ancient astronauts/insert thing here is a sign of unparalleled arrogance. Or maybe they think putting stars on a flag is stupid!

Maybe they think we took too LONG to kill the dodo! We just don't know.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

What’s HFY mean?

DeathDog
DeathDog

Alternative solution. The aliens are xenophobic, purist, limited in number and egotistical in the extreme. They want to be the first and the last. They don't want to reproduce or expand because think it would only create equals/rivals. Because they are limited in number, they need less resources to last the same amount of time as a K3 civilization. They will sleep for trillions of years (having achieved digital existence), with minimal maintenance, until the last star in the universe dies and the universe colds down enough for maximum energy efficiency out of their energy reserves accumulated over eons and hawking radiation harvested from the black hole they are currently orbiting around.

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TechHater
TechHater

Once you've had a billion years worth of life and love and experience, would you really care about having a hundred billion more?

Honestly, if we do reach a point where more life for ourselves isn't seen as ideal, what about our children? Wouldn't there always be someone younger who doesn't want to stop existing, and when the time comes for them there to again be someone younger who wants to keep existing? At the end of the day, what type of civilisation could reach even our own level of advancement without a care for those who come after?

Humanity, Fuck Yeah!

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

I think the conditions LEADING to that last bit would have to be more confusing than abortion itself is. I mean, how many species ACTUALLY expect their females to carry rape babies to term?

Bidwell
Bidwell

They'd still have AI gather as many resources as possible to extend their civilisation's lifespan in the long run, and to exterminate all that could threaten them.

WebTool
WebTool

Why would they have an AI? As Xenophobes, wouldn't an AI itself be a threat?

Imagine /pol/ securing the future of the white race by putting everyone in a computer and then letting the Jews take care of it. Xenophobes are questionably logical at best.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Nothing. Look at the variety of life on our planet. How many thousands of different animals are utterly alien? How many thousands of theoretical weird animals have our stupid primitive asses dreamed up?

They would find nothing truly alien about us, hfy is is garbage tier and the horse has been utterly fucking pulverized.

Booteefool
Booteefool

I like to think aliens will be weirded out by our libidos

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Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

AI would be the ideal way of doing it, as it's ludicrously easy to create ones that are smart enough to do exactly what you want but nothing beyond that, and for them to be made with enough redundancies so as to make them rebelling or otherwise failing to continue to do what you want a realistic problem.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

That assumes that mortal life as we know it isn't completely alien or even completely stupid to them. I mean, we get freaked out by the animals of the deep sea, and we're technically related to those. For all we know, the aliens are made of silicon instead of carbon. And OP also said extraplanar - imagine what it must be like for beings from a place where the underlying rules of EXISTENCE are completely different!

"Alien" doesn't mean "better," though, either. Maybe try thinking about that before you jerk your knee and bark at shadows nobody's actually casting.

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Techpill
Techpill

I mean, how many species ACTUALLY expect their females to carry rape babies to term?

Your child is an innocent in that situation, and killing them won't make the rape not have happened.

It makes as much sense as killing a child because his father robbed you. It's 100% irrational, and the fact that so many support it lends credence to humanity being a race that cannot control their emotions.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

The creation of the "waifu". Before, humanity was mostly relegated to only being able to sell sex, but with the creation of the waifu, capitalism has successfully managed to sell companionship and love as well.

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PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

In economic terms, it makes sense that sex would eventually become so commodified as to be outsourced.

whereismyname
whereismyname

For all we know humanity is the first spacefaring civilization. You have no priors in this situation. Just because we haven't seen any aliens doesn't mean aliens are impossible, now go with the thought experiment and presume aliens exist or will exist coterminous with humans.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Wouldn't there always be someone younger who doesn't want to stop existing, and when the time comes for them there to again be someone younger who wants to keep existing?
After a certain point, would the values that lead us to have children still even exist? Birthrates are already lower in developed countries. We're talking about a society that could live anything they wanted inside their own simulated reality. You could have a million perfectly simulated children with a million perfectly simulated partners of your dreams, and spend a hundred years with each of them. You could turn off the parts of your own brain chemistry that make you desire to reproduce in the first place. You could have your memories wiped and be reborn as your own child. You could decide you really liked that last few hundred years you lived, except you wish you'd done a few things differently, so you start it over again. A billion years of experience is something we are completely incapable of comprehending.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Emotions. What about the kid's emotions? What does it do, knowing your own mother never wanted you, has to remember the violation every time she looks at you, maybe even blames you because she can't track down the man who did it? Knowing you'll never have a functional family? With everyone you meet mocking you constantly? Do you expect the kid to just suck it up? I wouldn't exactly call it a mercy killing, but...

Hey, there's an idea. The idea of a "mercy killing," the idea that there can BE fates WORSE than death. Who says the aliens would have that idea?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

We breathe oxygen!
We drink water!
We poison our seas and drive entire species to extinct!

SniperWish
SniperWish

user, don't give any ammunition.

Supergrass
Supergrass

Isn’t a waifu just an anime girl you collect pictures of? How is that companionship? Legitimate question because I’m oretty ignorant on this stuff

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lostmypassword
lostmypassword

With the rise of hoographic interactive alarm clocks and of silicon dolls the idea of waifus have evolved

Techpill
Techpill

There are many systems of government that humans have created for the event that a mother does not wish to care for her child. It would be odd for her to choose not to use them.

It's a very, very, very far logical step from
I don't want to take care of my child -> Killing them is best for them

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

user, if you can't see the logical and emotional fallacies of not only carrying an unwanted baby to term and letting it live that came from a violent and traumatic origin compared to a wanted and intended and planned for baby the you're the one having issue controlling their emotions and separating yourself from logic and that's just when it comes down to the mother's life and well-being let alone the long term consequences for the child's life and societies benefit from it as a whole.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

You have no idea just how bad things are getting...

youtube.com/watch?v=nkcKaNqfykg

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Lunatick
Lunatick

See

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

They would probably be confused as to why we are so eager to mate with them

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

no one has yet conceived of a type of society that would not do it
user... this isn't true for anything. We know of (small, brief) societies where this doesn't apply to not killing themselves. We have extensive records of people making statements and predictions about the future, past, or just other spots and being hilariously wrong about it. We have irrefutable evidence that our own society, as of this very moment, doesn't make any fucking sense or behave in any kind of coherent manner.

What possible line of reasoning would allow you to conclude that you know what a more advanced and alien society definitely will or will not do, and what other societies does it successfully predict and model for?

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Skullbone
Skullbone

since it's the logical thing to do

We used to shove tobacco up the ass of drowning victims and set it on fire. Because it was the logical thing to do.

"Logical"

This is why I hate the "if aliens were here, they'd act like we'd EXPECT them too".
Fucks sake. Hilarious.

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FastChef
FastChef

Oh. Oh wow.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

It's not that the Prime Directive is abhorrent. It is that it is impossible to enforce. How do you keep a non-interference policy for hundreds, thousands, millions, or even billions of years with a 100% success rate? How long before someone sneaks or rushes in and uplifts a cockroach just because he can?

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King_Martha
King_Martha

What possible line of reasoning would allow you to conclude that you know what a more advanced and alien society definitely will or will not do, and what other societies does it successfully predict and model for?

The fact that no one who has opposed the idea that civilisations gravitate towards K2 and K3 civilisations has come up with a hypothetical civilisation that would not do so, or explained why the countless civilisations we should be able to see would all do it down to the last.

It's possible, but incredibly less likely then us just being the first.

Better yet, how do you prevent those who are tasked with watching over such a society from being fed up with watching them go through tragedies without throwing out the rule book?

girlDog
girlDog

user take it from me adoption is a hardship on children that leaves lasting and permanent scars on the psyche.
Ontop of that only 1% of the adoption systems in the world are what you would call nice and that requires an insanely high living standard country to implement. Most grow up in shit orphanages or being handed around to foster families that they can never truly form a connection with or ever make friends or social connections because they learn quick they'll just be shipped elsewhere. For about every kid successfully adopted about 30 live in a very shit system until they hit adulthood and get thrown ill-prepared into the world because it's no longer the systems problem and it doesn't have to support you anymore. Ontop of that not every successful adoption is a nice one on the child either.
You run about a 3% happy success rate with this sort of thing in most 1st world countries as a result because our adoption system is hitting the same over population problems that our animal pound system is having in that there's just not enough homes for all the kids to be put in but unlike the pound system we can't euthanize.
The only solution to this is to view abortion as a proper and responsible response when it's unwanted or ill-prepared for in favor of being smart about it all and planning accordingly for the child you WANT to raise. This gives each child that would be born the best chance at a happy life while reducing over population and hopefully eliminating the horrendous adoption systems and the terrible existences they create.
This is a purely logical reasoning to cutting out all emotions as the better planned for children are factually shown to yield better adults which yields a better society while also being grounded in making life less shit for everyone which is always a noble goal.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

how do you prevent those who are tasked with watching over such a society from being fed up with watching them go through tragedies without throwing out the rule book?
If societal dogma is enough to convince people to commit atrocities, then it's more than enough to convince them to watch them passively.

FastChef
FastChef

The only way you could counter this would be trying to ship your inefficient and emotionally driven morals and ideals as the ONLY correct morals and ideals while ignoring the strife they would cause when compared to emotionally consistent and logically sound morals and ideals reached via consensus and statistically backed.

iluvmen
iluvmen

If you are immortal transhuman, why wouldn't you split yourself in two every time you have to face a tough decision? Suppose you want to embark to the stars or remain on Earth with your family. Well, you don't need to choose when you can effectively clone yourself or split yourself in two and do both.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

The reason gas was used instead of bullets was because people couldn't stomach pulling the trigger and burring the bodies on that scale, watching from the sideline when the policy would only exist for benevolent reasons wouldn't last.

viagrandad
viagrandad

See

You talk like you have the emotional and logical high ground but under scrutiny it all falls apart at the seams as you seem to think every single country is capable of adopting and implementing a perfect system that won't become overwhelmed which is statistically infeasible and yields emotionally scarred and actively crippled lives that weigh on the systems they're born into whereas the easiest and most prudent solution would be to prevent these lives from happening in a myriad of viable ways one of which is abortion. Others would be rape prevention and all the various forms of population control.

Inmate
Inmate

Holy shit. It's actually happening.

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TechHater
TechHater

I would dispute this, but I'm going to give you every possible benefit of the doubt by assuming everything you said is true.

A 3% chance of the child being given to a loving foster family is preferable to a 100% chance of death and 0% chance of ever having a fulfilling life. To euthanize them over the possibility of future action is wholly counter to all systems of government and removes all agency from the child, as well as demeaning those who actually do provide care and support for their wards.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

We breathe oxygen!
We drink water!
Well you obviously need volatile chemicals to make an animated body move. What, you think inert nitrogen gas is gonna sprout legs and hunt a fish?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

The fact that no one who has opposed the idea that civilisations gravitate towards K2 and K3 civilisations has come up with a hypothetical civilisation that would not do so
For starters, this isn't an answer, it's just doubling down:
This doesn't exist
How do you know
This doesn't exist

It's also objectively bullshit, as Space Amish is an obvious answer.

On that note, the Kardashev Scale isn't some kind of objective, agreed upon measure of how anything works. It's bullshit spun up in the 60s by some Russian dude and then occasionally used in science fiction. You might as well use some feminist societal model to explain why spacefaring civilizations would NEVER impugn our personal space by doing anything that would allow us to recognize them.

Third, within the bullshit of the other bullshit, that's still wrong. K2 civs are suppoesd to harness the power of a star system, but Dyson spheres are just one of the proposed methods for that. It's like a caveman figuring advanced tribes must have much meat, maybe by hunting great mammoths or receiving tribute from other tribes. Even ignoring what a retard the caveman is and how little he knows about how food or civilization works, insisting there can't be any great tribes because there's still mammoths roaming around is wrong.

DeathDog
DeathDog

user. The life chances and emotional wellbeing of a planned and prepared for child by both the parents and the system would be statistically higher than that of an unwanted and unplanned for child by both the parent/s and the system.
One will benefit the system at large and those in it and the other will be a drain. There is zero argument against aborting the rape baby or any unwanted baby in favor of enabling a planned for baby you can base that won't just be fueled by you attempting to strong arm your emotions onto others and seeing as your initial argument was touting rationality this would be a glaring self-contradiction.
Now I'm not saying it's nice or not nice but don't delude yourself and let's call it what it is.

likme
likme

Just wait until they combine the AI of one of those things with a sexbot...

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BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

We breathe corrosive gas, eat and drink POISON, and kill each other!!!!!1!! XdDDdDD
In all seriousness, this question is so vague it has no viable answer. There are too many things that could vary biologically or culturally.

StonedTime
StonedTime

The life chances and emotional wellbeing of a planned and prepared for child by both the parents and the system would be statistically higher than that of an unwanted and unplanned for child by both the parent/s and the system.

I don't disagree. I just fail to see how this furthers your argument. It's a non sequitur.

One will benefit the system at large and those in it and the other will be a drain. There is zero argument against aborting the rape baby or any unwanted baby in favor of enabling a planned for baby you can base that won't just be fueled by you attempting to strong arm your emotions onto others and seeing as your initial argument was touting rationality this would be a glaring self-contradiction.

This is a strange point, as you seem to be supporting euthanasia for those who are "a drain." I don't have any rebuttal for this, as it's indefensible on it's face. I would only ask you if we should also close all hosptials and execute the poor, as medical expenses and welfare are both enormous drains on the economy.

SniperWish
SniperWish

Define how it's indefensible or how it's euthanasia.
You're also taking this into non-relate territory to strawman which is a terrible way to argue your case as you're just stacking contrived scenarios onto semi-contrived scenarios to support yourself.
As for the drain what I'm proposing would negatively impact the increasing rise of the poor and help promote more middle and upper class lifestyles for others as I'm actively promoting a stop in one sector to the increase of those being born into poor living conditions that will yield a poorly suited person to today's society when compared to actively promoting making better suited and better cared for individuals in less numbers to stave off overpopulation of a system while increasing its returns for the individual, the system, and those that live in it.

Remember, your stance is rationality over irrationality so keep this in mind when defining why abortion is euthanasia or why supporting it is an indefensible stance.

whereismyname
whereismyname

Truly we live in a blessed age. Also horrifying, but that's always been the same thing.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

This is the most saddening thing I've seen this week. It's sad that this is an improvement for the salary man who should have been able to meet a nice girl and marry normally.

It's sad for those anons who's lives will be improved by this that we'd live in the kind of world where this was necessary. It's heartbreaking to me.

The only solution to this is to view abortion as a proper and responsible
This doesn't follow at all. It should be the shitty foster care system/adoption system/orphanages that fail to help provide a shot at a good life for them, and the society that won't take responsibility for the children they had, and you can't pretend that every kid to end up in the foster system or an orphanage is a rape baby either. People who are irresponsible and short sighted and eager to get rid of rather than deal with the consequences of their actions are largely the same people who made your issue and you're suggesting that the only way to change that is channeling their desire to be rid of their child to some shitty utilitarian cost benefit analysis justified fetus deletus, when you could just try and deal with the root of the issue instead and not open the can of worms that is utilitarian euthanasia. And yes, that's what ending someone's life because you determine that it probably won't be very happy is.

Then you have this weird idea that every rape baby that's left alive is one less planned child that can be born. This doesn't add up.

Emotionally speaking, if it were me who'd been raped I'd be relieved if it were aborted since that'd be added stress to a tragic situation nobody wants to face, but my morals aren't tied to my emotions. They contradict them often times because I'm often weak and they are principles founded on the same ideal our laws are: that justice is blind and everyone, rape-baby or planned child, has basic rights to accompany our responsibilities.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

user, please re-read my statements. I'm advocating abortion but i'm also advocating that only families who have not only planned for their child but have been adequately prepared to support and care for them be allowed to have children. Give the poor or inadequates free abortions or access to effective birth control and make child planning classes or jobs to promote such things like a family based accounting firms things that are more ubiquitous and encouraged for those that will and perhaps even make it mandatory they take these though that would be extreme. Just heavily discourage the continued birth of individuals that would drain the system or end up leading unhappy lives while actively promoting the controlled birth of those that would be a boon to the system and actively live happy lives. This would also combat crime and over population rates.
With this in mind please realize I never once at any point in time claimed that only rape babies make up the entirety of orphanages merely that they fall under this view as do others.
As for fixing the system it can't be done, at least not to an effective end. Too many individuals get pumped into it for it to ever be anything than an overburdened and underfunded system with too few outlets to ease the core problem of overpopulation. Again, the easiest and most effective solution would be my earlier stances on abortion, birth control, and planned parenting being heavily encourages and promoted if not outright mandatory as this would actively lead to less children being pumped into a broken system which in turn might lead to it actually being fixable.

Emberburn
Emberburn

It's an interesting idea. The real question, though is how many people can come to peace with interruptions of consciousness. Because really, cloning yourself and (I'm going to assume) implanting all of your memories into the clone (so it's not just physically you, but mentally as well) means having to ask if that clone is really 'you', as such.

I remember reading a great book series called 'bobiverse' in which a guy is digitized and uploaded into a space probe. He made clones of himself and eventually they all decided they were separate people with a loose 'ranking' system based on seniority.

happy_sad
happy_sad

Why only 2? If you're a digitally entity you could always make many multiples of yourself each tasked with a variant permutation on your stances even if you don't hold it to reach informed consensus before remerging or wholly deleting or just allowing factions to follow their own way from the other factions.
In this way a single entity could become an entire race/s all with different end goals and states.
There's arguably many ways to deal with it though I personally feel it doesn't matter.
If you're identical than both of them are "You" regardless of seniority. This makes both equal in standing but by your now redundant nature it makes both of you of less value until your end state becomes singular again so it doesn't really matter which gets deleted or survives so long as one does though that would take a special mind to not only accept their disposable nature to accept that "they" might be the one disposed of and to accept it willingly.
Eventually that sort of thinking would win out in a greygoo war of digital entities and then you can begin the process I mentioned in the upper half above this.

TreeEater
TreeEater

It's beautiful.

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CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Jesus Christ, how horrifying. This is a dystopia

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Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

It's an efficient system that promotes happiness of those living in it while better itself. This will necessarily require certain restrictions and restraints and humans have shown themselves to be unable to willingly and naturally create and enforce this, which is understandable as evolution didn't build us for this. Now we need to engineer ourselves against these inherent shortcomings by actively creating and enforcing these restraints and guidelines in an informed manner much like we have for every other aspect of our society. Just like our judicial system or complex technology we have the inherent capabilities to overcome our limitations this is merely another aspect of it.

Methshot
Methshot

That humans murder their babies in the womb and society calls it freedom.
Daily reminder that most mammals other than humans (and one species of bat) are perfectly capable of aborting and reabsorbing their young at will, and will do so in response to food or population pressures without a second thought. Humans (and that one bat) are unique in that they are the only mammals in which the fetus has control over it's own nutrition.

Booteefool
Booteefool

”Humans produce their own heat, what the fuck?”
thermodynamics dude...

Firespawn
Firespawn

a 3% chance of producing a decent person is better than a 100% chance of not producing a shitty one

Individualism is a lie. Society doesn't need charity cases, and the other 97% of those kids are a net loss that adversely affect everyone. Not every life is valuable.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Who could be behind this post?

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Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

[USER WAS NERVE STAPLED FOR THIS POST]

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

But if you want the retarded "stars wouldn't be visible at all" argument to work, you can't use a swarm. You need the actual sphere. An actual solid object that covers the entire fucking star.

So if you submerge an object in water and you stop being able to see it once it goes deep enough that means the water is a "solid physical sphere"?

Seriously, you're stupid. A swarm of space habitats/solar panels thick enough would stop all light from getting out. You have no idea how massive of scale a dyson swarm is.

Nojokur
Nojokur

There's no reason to make a swarm that dense, since each layer after the first few would get less and less light and because frankly even a swarm spread only one station deep around a star still gives you a filthy ridiculous amount of real estate to work with.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Individualism is a lie.
Why are you sitting around posting on Veeky Forums, then? How are you advancing your society?

Methnerd
Methnerd

You're right. Which is why a much less dense swarm works just as well.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

I'm sitting here because nine hours of manual labor has rendered me immobile, and I'm out of beer.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Wearing clothing even when it offers no warmth or protection
Selectively mutilating our bodies for aesthetic purposes.
Eating plants and animals that are either toxic or mildly dangerous to our health
Reproducing even when we have no way of caring for the offspring and already have too many.
Keeping severely deformed, disabled or terminally ill/old individuals alive even when this is a wasteful use of resources.
Not eating our dead
Not forcing our whole world to stick to one universal language in order to minimize problems caused by miscommunication.
Not forcing people to move so that cities can be rebuilt to more efficiently use available land.
Treating individual lives as valuable even in comparison to technological revolutions that would benefit the species.

Soft_member
Soft_member

The fact that you see stars in the sky indicates that there are no intelligent space civilizatio s around.
What did he mean by this?

RavySnake
RavySnake

Destroying your entire solar system to have enough materials to encapsulate your star
The logical thing to do
Why not just put a bunch of satellites in orbit around the star?
Why not also supplement that with nuclear plants?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Empathy in general
Pet keeping for love, not hunting or profit.
Leisure activities involving tiny plastic men and dice rolling as part of a communal story.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Any successful species
Lacking empathy

In your fucking dreams, Ayn Rand

WebTool
WebTool

Empathy and love yield profits to either the individual or the whole. They both produce returns of companionship and social chemical dumps our brain literally needs or it lobotomizes itself as does any sort of communal meeting regardless of the form.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Neat.

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Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

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Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

I don't think -you- have any idea how fucking massive stars are.

There isn't enough mass in the solar system to cover up the sun in even a six centimeter layer.

It's debatable whether we've got the technology to make one. We -certainly- don't have the resources.

I think the point other anons are trying to make is: if we have enough space faring chops to -get- the resources, then we don't need a Dyson sphere.

It's actually a pretty stupid idea.

Flameblow
Flameblow

Humanity meets an alien life form
We ascend them since we are the forerunners

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likme
likme

but it's safe to assume that our galaxy and those around us do not have intelligent life.
It's more likely that if there is any intelligent life out there they are at our level of technology or lower.

Spamalot
Spamalot

"what you guys really need is tits, cat ears, and incredibly specific opinions on which kinds of entertainment it's okay to enjoy"
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cum2soon
cum2soon

How in the fuck is that any better than fucking about on a planet surface?

Like actually why in the fuck would anyone ever do this?

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Because building hypothetical megastructures thought up in the 1960's are how a society with technology and scientific knowledge many times greater than our own would have to operate. Don't you know anything?

FastChef
FastChef

Our constant focus on having sex would be weird for them.
I'm pretty sure some people would try to fuck the aliens.

Even worse if we are technologically superior and invade their planet.

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SniperWish
SniperWish

Empathy in general
I'm assuming that you meant sympathy, empathy is actually a highly beneficial trait and I can't even imagine any kind of intelligent life let alone civilization developing without it

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Ayn Rand
Anti empathy
Pick one her entire philosphy required empathy and criticized society for not being empathetic enough.
Sympathy =/= Empathy

Skullbone
Skullbone

This is just wrong.

RavySnake
RavySnake

Honestly, this is what I think is going on.

Maybe not the first one to achieve sapience in the galaxy, but the first in our local stellar neighborhood. Life is common, but sapience is relatively rare, so they tend to pop in areas that haven't seen much spacefaring activity.

Then this new alien species whizzes around and finds out that most planets don't have sapient life, a lot of those that do only have tribals due to geological issues, and those that reached space on their own are far and few between, creating a patchwork of diverse stellar empires full of uplifted aliens and one native species.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Actually there is. You just need A LOT of them. A trillion basic solar powered satilites put in a ring around the sun rotating in the opposite direction would strip the sun's surface of the heavier elements. They then get caught in the sun's magnetic field and shoot out the poles. You put 2 giant nets at either end and bravo, giant ass sun mine.

happy_sad
happy_sad

I see you also watch Issac's videos.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

"Uh...boss, why is every alien race in the universe both attractive to humans, and attracted to humanity?"
"Oh that? We just modified their genetic code until they fit our personal taste. There's not a single natural species in this whole damn universe except for us."

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FastChef
FastChef

ctrl+f
They're made out of meat
no results
how disappointing

Snarelure
Snarelure

We ascend them
How many centuries of selective breeding would that take?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Neat.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Let's add some music.

youtube.com/watch?v=FMJNta-okRw

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Flameblow
Flameblow

Terraforming is a meme.

Firespawn
Firespawn

With a space habitats you can control every single element of your environment. No need to fear weather, earthquakes, or anything like that. You can protect your colony from meteors with armored plate unlike a planet (unless you are really ambitious), armed it with lasers and other weapons, even strap a thruster to move around or even get to other systems, and build as many as you want.

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StonedTime
StonedTime

Do you even have the foggiest idea of how incredible the dyson swarm technology is?

How much "land" it gives? You could live alone on a space habitat inhabited by nothing but natural wilderness several miles across, and yet the population of the dyson swarm would easily reach several quadrillion people. There would be enough people that any given government or scientific project could be crowdfunded by everyone giving a fraction of a space penny. You have total control over your environments and can support massive populations. You have all the abilities to defend yourself and non of the travel times.

Living on planets is a meme. You're literally living on tiny grains of sand with complex gravity wells and shitty weather and atmospheres. The only reason to colonize a planet is to say we can do it, before quickly scrapping all of its material to make more fucking dyson swarm habitats.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Nah guys your all thinking of stuff that we think is a little fucked and assuming outsiders would think it real fucked. You gotta go for the really normal stuff

you just... lie down and turn off for eight hours a day?
and so does everything else bigger than an insect on the planet?
and this has been going on for hundreds of millions of years, but you still have no idea why you do it?
but you will literally die if you don't sleep for a third of your life

viagrandad
viagrandad

you still have no idea why you do it?
We have a decent sense of it these days.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

your bodies keep themselves at a constant 15-20 degrees c above the ambient temperate, you can't just say "thermodynamics lol" and not expect us to wonder why you find it extremely uncomfortable when the temperate around you is the same as the temperature inside you

w8t4u
w8t4u

Silicon/ammonia based life was briefly mentioned, but yeah, real lack of robotic overlords ITT.

None if we man up with horrifying nanobot genejackers.

So like four.

RavySnake
RavySnake

Selective breeding
Get with the times grandpa

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

everyone just parroting the Isaac Arthur youtube channel

Methshot
Methshot

Noses allow us to survive in arctic conditions without shocking our lungs with cold and dying in seconds. Cool fact I learned in physical anthropology

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

I don't know who that is, but a lot of people ITT are just parroting stock futurism concepts, so I'm gonna assume that's what that channel does too.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

HOLY SHIT THEIR MOON IS SO FUCKING CLOSE

SniperGod
SniperGod

How does it feel to live under a single sun?

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lostmypassword
lostmypassword

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Snarelure
Snarelure

This is the only post that matters. Learn from them tg.

Booteefool
Booteefool

All of the points in any K2-K3 civilization Fermi Paradox debate are based around the assumption of 'currently known physics'. If you want to argue that they somehow get the energy of the starts without either covering them up with Dyson Spheres/Swarms or doing some very efficient starlifting - you shouldn't probably get into an argument over 'aliens under known physics' at all.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

All of that is included.
Why not just put a bunch of satellites in orbit around the star?
Where do you get materials for those sattelites, genius?
Destroying your entire solar system
Disassembling Mercury and Venus in our system would be enough to have a near-perfect coverage with a Dyson Swarm. The rest of the planets/habitats can keep going with beamed power from the Swarm, fusion and fission reactors, and whatnot.

JunkTop
JunkTop

When the fuck did our technology get so advance? This is shit you see in sci-fi movies.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

The trick is not that the star will become invisible - it won't. The trick is that we will start seeing unnatural fluctuations of it's luminosity during long-term observation, the same way we did with Tabby's star, for example (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KIC_8462852). That already would be a dead giveaway of alien's presence.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Could you really call it an Ammonia if its a solid? Perhaps just Nitrogen-based, unless ammonia is being used as blood or something.
But really I was just referring to this old video: youtube.com/watch?v=7tScAyNaRdQ

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

This is both amazing and really sad.
I can't tell what this ad is trying to say.

Emberfire
Emberfire

I don't remember Isaac making such argument. It still seems viable, but again, using SFIA logic, there would be no problem for that civilization to move on to the next galaxy and do the same - and therefore we would most probably see the process at one point or another: no galaxy would be possible to go dark without us noticing, but moving from one to another, while possible, takes a long ass time.

TreeEater
TreeEater

youtube.com/watch?v=KRGca_Ya6OM

Using statistics we can predict that humans will be very different from the majority of aliens.
Therefore aliens should find most traits in humanity weird.

Evilember
Evilember

A Dyson sphere isn't a solid object anyway. It's always a swarm because making it one solid shell would be useless. Some retards did not get that and thought there was a difference.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Our body MAKES heat by it's processes alone. If we exist in a 75F environment It's make sense that a body existing in that would at least be 75F then top on the fact that body MAKES heat and it's clear why we run hotter than the surroundings.
Now scale that shit up to when the ambient temp sits at our core temp and the continue onto the fact that despite the fact we're now at least 96F like the background heat our body continues to MAKE heat.
It'd be weird if we didn't run hotter than ambient temperature and we'd be breaking the law of thermodynamics if we tried.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

t. Someone who gets his science news from Onion-tier publications.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

He's somewhat right
He's completely and utterly wrong.

Soft_member
Soft_member

They are made of meat

idontknow
idontknow

we'll have turned our system into one before the year 3000
It would take us millenia to build a dyson sphere, and that assumes we get started right away.

Skullbone
Skullbone

/Thread

StonedTime
StonedTime

You don't need to build it all at once. You could do it over centuries.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Nuclear power is retarded tho.
have no idea how to deal with the lethal left overs
use it anyway and just dump the junk somewere

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Our infants are delivered fairly undeveloped, relative to most other animals. This is primarily to do with the female needing to be able to pass the infant's head through the vaginal canal, but also renders the newborn helpless for several months/years, whereas a horse gallops within hours of being born. There is no reason to believe, a priori, that another developed species would almost be subject to such a weird quirk of evolutionary development.

WebTool
WebTool

You assume a Dyson sphere means a solid layer. Your assumption is wrong.
A Dyson sphere is a Dyson swarm. Normies thought there was a difference.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

We developed religion so prominently and excepted it nearly universally for thousands of years, then quickly began to wean out various beliefs incredibly quickly.

SniperGod
SniperGod

Ever hear of thorium reactors? Safer than uranium reactors, the fuel is far more abundant and needs less processing, the waste is more dangerous, and the waste becomes safe much faster (~400 years).
If you've never heard of it, that's because nuclear weapons (why you live in the most peaceful point in human history) require material found in the waste of uranium reactors that isn't found thorium's waste.

Also prod.sandia.gov/techlib/access-control.cgi/1992/921382.pdf
This Place is Not a Place of Honor
the WIPP is rife with cool ideas to steal for your dungeons.

Bidwell
Bidwell

Where do you get materials for those satellites, genius?
There is a literally astronomical difference between building some solar satellites and completely encapsulating the sun in a massive shell.
What would even be the point? 1: we wouldn't need that much energy even in a million years. 2:by encapsulating the sun you are cutting the planets left in the solar system off from it while by just building solar satellites you would not.
Dyson spheres are not efficient or practical they are just wank material for the most annoying types of futurists, if you were older you would be saying all aliens would have to be eating food compressed into pills and flying around the cosmos in flying saucers because screw what makes sense if it exists in the media of the time it must be the way things work.

RavySnake
RavySnake

Ever hear of thorium reactors?
MUH SUPERIOR THORIUM ISOTOPE RUN CAR FOR 100 YEARS!
Helium-3/deuterium is the best option for fusion

DeathDog
DeathDog

We can recycle nuclear waste pretty efficiently and get more fuel out of it. Nuclear waste is over 80% unburnt uranium and plutonium with small quantities of leftovers. We don’t recycle for political reasons. If we recycle we will be retrieving weapon grade plutonium and uranium which will violate treaties.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

We were talking about fission, but if you'd like to talk about fission: is there any indication it will be viable? I dont follow it too closely, but last I heard there wasn't.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Not anytime soon, pretty much the only material known that could produce stable fusion reactions is the aforementioned helium-3 which is incredibly rare on earth but somewhat more common elsewhere in the solar system such as on the moon.

SniperWish
SniperWish

No. The best option is hydrogen-hydrogen fusion followed by deuteriun-deuterium. We are researching deuterium-tritium because it is easier (even if tritium is rare on Earth). Tritium is also a byproduct of deuterium-deuterium fusion. Helium 3 has been considered because the Moon has accumulated ple ty of it ober the eons but it is not our current line of research. Even then, helium 3 is attractive because it is an aneutronic fusion and would allow compact fusion reactors for spaceships smaller than an aircraft carrier. Hydrogen-hydrogen is the best but we need to learn to walk before we run.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

The fusio reactor that we have always know it would work consist in a huge cavity and turbine. Drop an hydrogen nuke every time and that's it. We want minutiarize it.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Logically, trying to infer exact scenarios about an alien civilization is stupid, no one answer is the end-all for any problem unless we know all of the variables.

That being said, If it would be logical to assume that a civilization is somewhat similar to our thought process, (otherwise they wouldn't progress far enough [too peaceful] or wiped themselves out [too aggressive]} We can only assume that they are either sedentary and we can't see them on their worlds because reasons, or they are restless and therefore expanding out. Any civilization capable of convenient traveling we would've already seen evidence of from their influence on stars and worlds. If we are working with time as well, its also logical to assume they would've spread throughout the galaxy in under a million years considering exponential growth potential of a civilization. From that, being that they are aggressive/restless, either would've left some evidence behind or done unto us what we would do to them, and do it first.

TL'DR If aliens exist as we know it we would know it already or be dead, or they are working on physics we don't understand yet.

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Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

They would probably find us extremely durable. We are extremely good at running, sustaining injury and surviving, and we tend to have an amazing capacity at destruction, physics, and arts. Really, the thing they might find the most exotic is our appearance if they are sentient. If they are a hive mind, our individuality might be so perplexing that it just HAS to talk to everyone. Another idea, is that they find that we need to inhale AND ingest oxygen and water, instead of just water OR oxygen.

behavioral, we are outstanding in numerous ways, in that we are so dynamic. Longer lived aliens might find us fascinating to watch, in that we build so rapidly.

Maybe... just maybe... They are all blown away by how amazing our heavy metal is.

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Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

boobs are a universal constant among sapient beings.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

I honestly prefer autumnal shades of brown and yellow. Something about the palette feels calming.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

The only thing I really think might be totally and completely unconvinced by aliens is music.
It's perfectly possible for a species to never desire music.

Evilember
Evilember

its also the other way around too, what happens when we find a species that communicates via song like birds, when you start wailing out a tasty riff?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

In the most secular societies, which then were quickly taken over by violently assertive religous people from other parts of the world who ran a campaign of peaceful colonization and demographic replacement.

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Ignoramus
Ignoramus

thanks senpai

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Go on. Offer a solution to the fermi paradox

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

If I was a nonhuman animal I could absorb a fertilized embryo

And if I was a space shuttle I could blast off into space.

girlDog
girlDog

Ok, and what im saying is that if you and I both thought of this, they thought of it. They wont be surprised.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Neo-Cortex.
Everything else is standard.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Don't be purposefully obtuse termination of unwanted fetuses is perfectly normal and natural we're just really oddman outed when compared to all of nature due to our uniquely parasitical pregnancies. Aliens might find the idea itself odd, though i doubt it it IS a very sound evolutionary practice for survival in lean times, but us doing what the rest of our biosphere does even if artificially is just par for the course so if wouldn't be shocking.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

On that point, in my post above ()
I didn't mention but the Clickers /do/ communicate through "song". It's just more like cricket calling than birdcalls - and since they started intercepting our radio transmissions nearly immediately after getting the tech for it, they've developed a taste for Human music.

I think that's fairly realistic: The xenophilic civilizations of the alien intercepting the advanced species' radio runoff are going to be quicker to absorb the cultural tech of the advanced civ, and that could give them an edge against the xenophobic civs.

Lunatick
Lunatick

I think the most important question no one is asking is will they want to have sex with us

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Finally someone remembered

TreeEater
TreeEater

Anger, grudges.

While you can understand how human gets angry, and what will make a specific human or group of humans angry, it's still not understood WHY humans (and other terran life) have anger as an emotion. It's something uniquely terran.

Grudges, vendettas, revenge and all these things are all similarly incomprehensible concepts. It's understood that if a human is angry, this anger can potentially permanently impact their judgement. Sometimes even drive them into a type of mania where they obsess with their anger. But since anger is uniquely terran, why this happens is something only humans get to understand.

hairygrape
hairygrape

Do you actually know any Muslims? In my experience they tend towards being just as only-vaguely-religious as Christians. Religion as a whole just isn't as easy a sell in the internet age, so it's on the decline in the developed world.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

replying to a russia bot

idontknow
idontknow

You're right. In fact, why even have laws? Why bother outlawing murder when Steve is gonna stab hookers in his basement anyway. Lets only have rules we can ensure a 100% enforcement rate on.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

The fact that their sun will eventually burn out
after such a vast timescale that it's completely meaningless and inconsequential to worry about even for civilisations with the longest possible lifespans?
i don't think you quite understand just how long it would take for a particular star to burn out.

of all the things to pose a threat to a civilisation, their star dying is going to be at the very bottom of that list. there's plenty of reasons to spread to at least more than one planet, but not that.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

A waifu is a mirror for your own love.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

It's based on the assumption any race that was advanced enough to build Dyson Spheres/Swarms would do so since it's the logical thing to do.

Veeky Forums circa 1800:

If there was advanced intelligent life elsewhere in the heavens, their planets would be obscured by the clouds of smoke from all the coal they must be burning for their machines.

DeathDog
DeathDog

That always amused me because Russia is very cozy with Muslims, even at home.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

It'd be something to worry about, but you're right about there being a host of other threats that would take temporal priority.

Like the aliens that didn't become NEETs and instead became space vikings. The one thing you can never become advanced enough to ignore is other sapients, because sapients will find a way. What are they gonna do, build a wall around their planet and make the space vikings pay for it?

5mileys
5mileys

Well, what kind of aliens/extra-planars are we talking about? What era of progress has humanity reached? How do humans interact with other on-plane terrestrial races in general, if any?
Your question posed, and the questions I responded with all vary based on something very important...

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Through dick, unity

Snarelure
Snarelure

psst,no,he is not.
In fact he is kinda boring.

FastChef
FastChef

If it's stupid and inefficient, humans will still do it. Case in point, we still use combustion engines and fossil fuels.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

which is?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

how does one feel without some sort of amalgamation of atomic structures to build those feelings? Do the aliens have magic floaty tachion thoughtwaves.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Maybe?

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

What are things extraterrestrials or extra-planar beings would find truly alien about humans?

I wana say Milk.
Not just the drink itself, but just the whole lactation bit because what if Mammals are actually rare in the universe and creatures where it's a one and done deal with you lay an egg and then you regurgitate food into your babies mouth is in the majority? (I hope not, I like breasts too much).

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Illusionz
Illusionz

Living the dream. *This* is what being a Type IV civ is all about.

SniperGod
SniperGod

What are things extraterrestrials or extra-planar beings would find truly alien about humans?

That we consume multiple species of warm-blooded mammals by grinding them into small chunks and stuffing them into their own intestines

happy_sad
happy_sad

It's got nothing to do with race or religion and everything to do with stirring people up against each other.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

It's when you commit most of your changes to long-term memory, it's when your problem solving is the least grounded (which doesn't necessarily lead to good ideas, but does lead to different ones), and it's the only time meaningful amounts of lymph drain from your brain.
The long-term memory part is probably the most important/useful detail, but the lymph thing is almost certainly why sleep deprivation is fatal.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

We willingly injest plant-based poisons ever-day (theobromine from chocolate; caffeine from plants) just because we like getting poisoned by them.

Just imagine an alien injecting cyanide into itself just because it makes them feel better.

JunkTop
JunkTop

This is the most successful thread I’ve ever made and it was just a random thought in my noodle

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Underrated. Most solar systems are dual star systems and even triple stars

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

perfectly normal and natural (to have abortions)
You just said humans are one of the few species that can’t naturally abort fetuses
parasitical pregnancies
You’re using strong negative language here to justify your beliefs when you know babies of any species need material to form. They can’t just spring into existence

You can end a millennia of effort if you want. I have genes worth passing on, but you apparently don’t.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Humans have anger so they can fight. It seems self-explanatory to me.

Spouse getting murdered
Anger
Kill attacker

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Because they have zero tolerance for religious violence. Muslims behave in Russia or don’t move there. That’s the two choices.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Mammals would only be found on earth. Same with plants, Arthropoda, mollusks, literally everything

There could be mammal-like organisms, plant-like organisms, but they won’t be mammals or plants

Firespawn
Firespawn

I was saying abortion in nature is a thing that exists across the board and that it's practical so us following suit because we can't naturally do it isn't some weird or unusual thing.
As for the "negative language" I was quite literally using correct terminology. The way pregnancy in humans works is that it's a literal parasite to the host mother and it falls in line with the requirements despite in-specied parasitism being extraordinarily rare. This is one of the reasons why we can't just shut it all down like most mammals as the fetus actively wars against the mother's body to steal nutrients to survive meanwhile the mother's body actually tried to kill it as it's a foreign body.
There's no negative to calling it a parasitical pregnancy as that's just what it categorically is scientifically speaking.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Also claiming you have genes worth passing on is questionable at best. Chances are you're male so you already carry some negatives that could be expressed down the line that can't be prevented by using a back up X chromosome that isn't fucked instead.
On top of that there's no real way to actively predict what genes may end up being useful and others might be cons when it comes to the twists and turns of nature. For all we know there may be a whole haplotype that is entirely and lethally vulnerable to some as yet unevolved flu strain or super bacteria and you might belong to it.
Claiming your genes are "worth passing on" or "good" is simply egotistic masturbation.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

If there was advanced intelligent life elsewhere in the heavens, their planets would be obscured by the clouds of smoke from all the coal they must be burning for their machines.

Actually, this is one of the proposed methods of finding out alien civilizations. Hell, even the presence of oxygen is an indication that there's plant life. Oxygen doesn't tend to stick around for long without combining with other atoms.

Nojokur
Nojokur

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askme
askme

I don’t know how to argue against hypothetical super plagues, so I guess you win user.

Playboyize
Playboyize

Come again?

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Illusionz
Illusionz

Sorry user for bursting your bubble. No Star Trek civilizations is waiting for you. The only aliens you will ever see are millions of years old or primitive animals.

FastChef
FastChef

How do we know there aren't beings that inhabit another dimension that we can't interact with yet? Like in that spooky episode of star trek where the crew are being abducted.

hairygrape
hairygrape

It's not even a hypothetical scenario. It's happened several times before and we keep finding more.
Ex: the black plague killed off individuals with certain immune system genes that were otherwise more robust than others but those that had average at best immune systems due to average immune system genes faired better however Europeans now respond poorer than most to autoimmune diseases as a result.
You claimed certainty with no basis or evidence against factually known and previously expressed uncertainty.

takes2long
takes2long

Our current model of physics doesn't really support that which is all we really have to work off of.
For all we know there could be some parallel dimension type scenario where that dimension has entirely different laws of physics from ours that might allow them to breach over to us but that would also mean they probably couldn't survive here or us there.
As a similar example but using our laws of physics. Humans wouldn't survive "dropping" into 2nd dimensional space as we need all 3 dimensions to survive and likewise 2nd dimensional beings could never interact with our 3rd dimensional space and the best we could ever hope for would be for them to see our 2nd dimensional cross section as we pass through their space, if that's a possible scenario, and we'd never even be aware of them. Using these examples we could never meet entities that didn't originate from our "dimension" AND our 3rd dimensional space.

Firespawn
Firespawn

I’ll never be so passionate about killing kids to type out basically a thesis across multiple posts on Veeky Forums
I’m not going to gut punch my wife, user.

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SniperGod
SniperGod

Define when a fetus becomes "alive" that the term "killing" can be applied to it. Please refrain from using unsubstantiated claims in the process.

Illusionz
Illusionz

There are legitimate medical reasons for women to have abortions. Making abortions illegal sentences them to death. No society that has banned abortions makes abortion available for complications that threaten the life of the mother . You sound like that ashole that claims that true communism has never been tried.

Flameblow
Flameblow

That humans murder their babies in the womb and society calls it freedom.
Next you're going to prove with your internet skills how undevelopped fetus are same as human beings ?
No, even better, you're going to rant about respect of life while eating your tortured meat and watching the latest shooting in USA ?

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Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

An artificial or extraplanar alien would find the concept of organic life alien and kinda gross.

Bunch of chemicals start sticking together on a planet
they start moving around
it explodes
covered every surface
takes over that planet eating itself and other chemicals—covering every nook and cranny
even deep in the crust and up in the atmosphere
devouring resources
devouring itself
all gooey, spraying fluids everywhere, craps out shit
creates forms it traverse between planets with

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Flameblow
Flameblow

Haha gross

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