Why did they make it so bad? Incompetence? Sabotage? Greed?

WebTool
WebTool

Why did they make it so bad? Incompetence? Sabotage? Greed?

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Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

lol poopie

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

We've had four fucking threads

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Orders from the top, I'd assume.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Just a lack of fund allocation going to the correct places. Wizards is cutting from all their departments except whoever does the stories, hence why we've gotten all these gameplay issues in standard, leaks, mappable boxes (Eldritch Moon before this), and garbage PR

Snarelure
Snarelure

mappable boxes
This has been disproven by multiple streams and vids that went up today

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

So I’m sure you’ll have no issue even linking ONE then, right?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

My guess is on
Not counting on autistic people to cardcount through an entire box to snatch a few good cards

farquit
farquit

Happy to provide! Here's a brand new vid from everyone's favorite grifter, Rudy:
youtu.be/exLm-Sr8qH8

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

White do you think is so bad about it?

MPmaster
MPmaster

and these were accepted by everyone, or at least most people, right ?
It's not like the price of a box dropped from 50 to 70 dollars, right ?

Firespawn
Firespawn

Uh think again sweetie

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Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Given the assumption the Rudy's video is not faked and he opened two selected boxes.

See, this doens't prove anything. The premise is 'all boxes are sufficiently randomized'. Somehow, Rudy found a rule, got two box together and they had enough similarity on the rare slot two be said 'they have the same rares'.

The golden word here is rule. Opening boxes ad nausea, without following the rule, is meaningless. The rule probably is burden by serial numbers, not barely two boxes on the same case.

It worked following the rule. Rudy knew the rule beforehand. The only way to disprove it and call a coincidence is following this rule and not obtaining the same result. Then we can conclude the rule works on even more constraints than 'serial numbers'.

Rudy probably opened so many boxes on Masters 25 and other similar structured products (same sheets, same number of cards, same number of packs, etc...) that breaking the 'encrypted randomization' was an easy task.

In the end, opening boxes like people are doing and claiming there is no problem is silly. They are just doing it wrong.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

If you think they made it shit intentionally, there's no saving you.

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Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Why are Masters 25 and Dominaria getting shit on so hard here? Masters 25 looks like they finally figured out how to make a good Masters set, and Dominaria so far looks like it could be the best standard legal set in a long time. I'm still waiting to see if there will be good black removal at common, but I'm feeling optimistic.
Everybody I know IRL that plays has had nothing but good things to say about Masters 25 and Dominaria, so it's really jarring to see so much hate here. I'd like to hear the reasoning of anybody who isn't so hot on these sets.

Lunatick
Lunatick

It's a bunch of lingering /v/irgins and /pol/kiddies from the Jeramey fiasco. They hate everything that everyone else likes and enjoys

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Hey Gavin, come have a game with us sometime. Is the card quality fixed?

Snarelure
Snarelure

everyone who disagrees with me is wotc

Emberfire
Emberfire

Masters 25 looks like they finally figured out how to make a good Masters set
No.
and Dominaria so far looks like it could be the best standard legal set in a long time
Yes.

Anyway, the short answer is that it's a combination of the following factors:
Veeky Forums being bad at Magic
influx of non-Magic players into Magic threads
Veeky Forums has done this with basically every set ever
Jeremy is butthurt

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

So the card quality is not fixed.

Illusionz
Illusionz

I'm loving Dominaria, but then again I'm an EDHfag on top of being a Wizard/Angel/Goblin Tribalfag and Teferifag.

I'm glad I skipped Masters 25 tho, what a shitshow.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

How the hell would I know. I don't work for wotc

Playboyize
Playboyize

Jeramey fiasco
Literally who?

Again, literally who? Anyway, I'm only talking about the set itself. Card stock quality is another issue, and one I hope that gets resolved.

Masters 25 looks like they finally figured out how to make a good Masters set
No.
I'm glad I skipped Masters 25 tho, what a shitshow.
Care to elaborate?

Booteefool
Booteefool

You can tell they really wanted to do a re-release of Alpha, but they couldn't because of the bullshit reserved list.

God damn, what were they THINKING?

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Jeramey fiasco
Literally who?
Jeramey Fiasco is an American rapper, record producer, and entrepreneur. He rose to fame in 2006 following the success of his debut album, Jeramey Fiasco's Food & Liquor.

He got into a spot of controversy over the holidays for crossdressing as Liliana as a promotional stunt, and Wizards of the Coast banned him from attending their most recent conference on transphobia because of it.

viagrandad
viagrandad

Oh fuck off

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Is there something I forgot to mention?

whereismyname
whereismyname

Underrated post

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

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Emberfire
Emberfire

Dominaria looks good. A25 is definitely a bit disappointing. Like, it looks fun to draft and I probably will but they seriously need to drop the price back to $7 going forward, then they can design whatever janky themes they want. Drafts aren't going to happen if people can't afford to do it.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

I only follow magic loosely now - what's wrong with m25? Dominaria actually looks good enough that I'd want to play again if the game weren't so fucking expensive, so I'm kinda assuming OP's just full of shit.

Spamalot
Spamalot

I thought Dominaria had recieved a surprisingly overwhelmingly positive reception here. I like it too even if I really really think historic is dumb (and apparently a lot of designers did too, since Mark had to fight for it to get in).

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Really strange choices for many of the slots, some of which are exceedingly bad (Tree of Redemption at mythic, for example, is the big one)
Not many cards that are actually NEEDED for various formats, when the Masters sets are supposed to be about increasing supply of necessary cards.
They clearly used current going prices to determine the contents of the rare/mythics, but even the ones that are currently pricey are mostly that way due to scarcity than usability, and their value will sink like a stone.
Ten dollar per pack price tag, despite not having the reason the first Masters set jumped to that price (limited supply)
The prior Masters set having all of the above problems and them claiming to have fixed it, despite their scheduling meaning A25 was being printed by the time they learned of those problems.
Jace the Mind Sculptor being unbanned just prior to release being considered by many a simple money grab, and it's hard to blame them.
Multiple Akromas at mythic despite them already being reprinted to hell and back. Same with a bunch of others.
Potential print run randomization problems that, if true, mean that one can tell what's in a box just by opening a few packs, meaning stores can pop a box, grab the good cards, and put the packs with crud up for sale. Or regular people doing the same and selling the excess packs. It's possible this isn't the case, due to the source of it and others claiming otherwise, so it's up in the air.
Fucking up Ihsan's Shade's art. Even if one accepts they needed a new version for the card, it should've been closer to the old version.

Evilember
Evilember

Both Ihsan's Shade and Stangg's arts really bug me. I don't even really care about the rest of the armor, but both characters had easily recognizabe helmets that should have been part of their design. They didn't necessarily do anything wrong (the website posted an art description for Ihsan's Shade and other than not referencing the first card, it made sense that it looks the way it does), but it's ridiculous how they don't resemble the old ones at all. I just don't get how Stangg doesn't have his helmet at all. I get if you want to say he's black, but have him holding the helmet or something. I guess Bolas for example doesn't resemble his old art at all either but for some reason that bugs me less.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Card choices have always been pretty iffy for the masters set, if I'm honest. They pretty commonly alternated between useless and cash grab. But fair enough, that doesn't mean this one is okay.
Price argument is also a good point.
Print run randomization is their problem, not really the users.

Fucking up Ihsan's Shade's art.
Holy shit you weren't kidding, that's awful. All complaints validated.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

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BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Also, the thing that bugs me the most is both Ihsan's Shade and Stangg appeared in other media with an appearance very close to their card art. Stangg is a fucking vanguard.

RumChicken
RumChicken

Bolas gets away with it because Bolas was once a nigh-divine shapeshifter.
Probably didn't realize his face was as flat as it is now before the Mending hit and it got stuck that way.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Thats a bit of a cop out. Might as well say ihsan and stangg just got some different clothes.

iluvmen
iluvmen

Move to Europe. Our printers are garbage.

cum2soon
cum2soon

Making nonbinary players feel welcome is more important than making good product for everyone.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Incompetence?
Possibly
Sabotage?
Nonsense
Greed?
Capitalism, ho!

TechHater
TechHater

fuck off Mark

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Move to Europe

Nobody wants to move to Europe anymore

Spamalot
Spamalot

Fucking lol

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

This, you can somewhat map boxes because packs/rares are not distributed with true randomness, otherwise you couldn't garuntee 1.5 mythics in every box.
Theoretically every booster box ever made is mappable if you have enough data

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Be Me
be wotc
just released Magic Origins, announced as the last core set
hot off the heels of Khans of Tarkir block, giving allied fetchlands to modern and introducing new tools to decks all the way back to vintage
Origins goes off without a hitch
nowaywecanfuckthisup.wav
Battle for Zendikar
Return to Iconic, beloved plane, lottery ticket full art foil lands
Standard becomes degenerate 5 colour good stuff
Lol it's ok new rotation cycle will clear out the fetchlands soon
That Jace we made was a bit busted, escalates in price, people complain and want bans
Like we'd ever ban anything in standard
Oath of the Gatewatch
Decide not to playtest for older synergies in eternal formats because lol those cucks don't earn us money
Fuck it, let's really get on their goat
"In the interest of competitive diversity, Splinter Twin is banned"
Eldraziwinter.jpg
Oh shit
"Lets give the format some breathing room"
Ban the thing people said to ban anyway
Shadows Over Innistrad
Another return set, people are scared we're going to ruin another iconic block
Don't worry we got this btw lol it's totally not emrakul
"HEY GUYS REMEMBER HOW FUN INNISTRAD WAS HERE'S MY MAN DELVER NOW"
Archangel Avacyn ruins Standard
Eldritch moon
"LOL SUPRISE IT WAS EMRAKUL BTW HERE'S MY MAN DELVER HE COSTS 5 AND MAKES MINI DELVERS"
Delerium deck looks too fun, gonna have to keep an eye on that
Tree of Perdition xDDD so funny i wonder if we should reprint Tree of Redemption?
Kaladesh
Artifact based block boys! This has historically gone well!
What's that? Energy needs to be costed? Pfft you're reaching
Dude our guys are flying around in helicopters and shit and this one ever draws you cards!
...That's a lot of players drawing cards...
...uh oh
...erm... HEY LOOK! Masterpieces! New premium foils with cool borders!
Why isn't the art foil? Ehhhhhh.... Hey look Chandra!
Begin to Sweat, the Spaghetti is real
The Modern players will save us

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idontknow
idontknow

Modern Masters 2017
Fetch lands will stem the bleeding
Thank modern players with reveal of fatal push printing
Ban those evil cards from Standard because why not
Ban Reflector Mage after CoCo has rotated because i guess...?
The Marvel? Nah shit's cool senpai
Aether Revolt
Everything goes blank, only see flashes of Energy in front of my eyes
Wake up 3 months later
Amonkhet
Bolas hanging out and scheming, cool story bro
This one should be good right?
People are sick of only the gatewatch members everywhere
Nissa is also Blue now because fuck you
Our invocations are mostly blue and illegible
Welp. Guess we'll scrap that later
Booster pack art leaks
Oh shit, erm... Atlazan? Ajani? No clue what you're talking about...
Note to self, fix that shit later
Hour of Devestation
Yo dudes here's my boy Scarab God
No way he'll be format warping in about 3 months come rotation
Set does actual nothing, Energy still the best deck
Fuck, erm... WHO LIKES PIRATES AND DINOSAURS?
Ixalan
Does literal nothing
Energy everywhere
Foil cards bending more than the latest iphone
Player base complaining
Who cares about foils lets talk supplementary!
Magic Arena
Hearthstone the Gathering
Ixalan block constructed
It seemed like a good idea at the time
Iconic Masters
Give it to Target and Walmart, LGSs who invested large money into boxes of this end up making huge losses
Supply hugely outweighs demand
Every card in the set tanks in value
Unstable
Full art lands stem the bleeding
Only a set taking the piss out of this fucking game could save us
Hey i wonder how standard's doi-FUCK FUCK BAN SHIT BAN SHIT FAST
Rivals of Ixalan
Trying to revive a dead format like standard
The modern players will save us now...

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Techpill
Techpill

Just because every box isn't literally the same doesn't mean there wont be a map.

Snarelure
Snarelure

Announce 25th anniversary set
Put the most powerful planeswalker card ever on the front of the box
Not like we've killed a format before let's gamble on this one
Unban Jace in modern purely to hype 25th anniversary set
Shift up rest of value rares to mythics
LOL NOW WE CAN REPRINT THE TREE GUYS XDDDDDD
Fill rest of set with shite, people will buy it just for Jace anyway
Unban Bloodbraid too, don't even bother putting it into the set
Foils still warping like fuck
I think we fixed it guys
Dominaria leaks a month early because we fucked up... or did we?
They'll never know because we keep fucking up all the time anyway
Masters 25 still going to big box stores
Masters 25 isn't even randomised properly, duplicate rares abound
Mfw i look in the mirror and see nothing wrong
Mfw it's all good because we're changing pronouns on cards
mfw i run a multi-million dollar game franchise
mfw it's all the modern player's fault.

Firespawn
Firespawn

If he can know the contents by the fucking serial number on the box then anyone that buys enough boxed can, especially if people pool their data together.
It's fucked.

takes2long
takes2long

sounds about right

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Emberburn
Emberburn

We're going to have a hundred more. This is kind of the biggest deal in the biggest card game right now.

Emberfire
Emberfire

it had a good run

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Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Containment leaks from /pol/ and the grognard tendency to echo negative sentiments hard. There are definite flaws in M25 and every "masters" set after the first one, most of which are either directly or indirectly to do with how they've been going about adjusting EV, print runs, and retail price. We've only seen like half of Dominaria, but it looks promising enough.

But these days everything's a conspiracy by the Jew/SJW/woman/communist-infested company, or its simultaneously feckless and fiendishly competent corporate overlords, to make the game worse, punish and minimize the white men who are literally the game's only audience, and I'm pretty sure sterilize us all through fluoridation of our drinking water. Take your pick from that alphabet soup, I'm pretty sure someone will claim every possible permutation at some point.

FastChef
FastChef

SJWs in the board room
Pedos in the judge program

How long until Wizards comes out as a gay man?

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MPmaster
MPmaster

I will never let down this tweet.

w8t4u
w8t4u

gotta love how they address "cyver bullies" and not the shit card stock.

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CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Watch Rudy open a box of OG innistrad
All the women are attractive and white
Sad.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

It's Wizards. Obviously they were incompetent.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

That was right around the infestation started.

Supergrass
Supergrass

The think i hate now is how WotC labels you as a racist homophobic if you complain about SJW agenda being introduced in the game.
Samut and the Mexican planeswalker are bland as fuck who's only trait is to be "le strung wumen".
The worst is many youtubers are supporting this shit. I used to respect the professor and learned a lot about quality products from WotC and sleeves but now he and many others are busy being inclusive and labels you as a jeremy supporter if you don't agree.

TechHater
TechHater

Really, no fun allowed I see.

Snarelure
Snarelure

butthurt /pol/tards crowing about how the games gonna die because Wizards hurt their feelings
I guess it's not much more dumb than any other instance of the annual THE GAME IS DEAAAD doomsaying orgy.

P.S. Every master's set has been greed driven shit, there's nothing special about this one.

Firespawn
Firespawn

Fuck off Mossad.

Flameblow
Flameblow

TCC is the biggest sellout ever. Only thing that's watchable from him anymore are the sleeve and deck box reviews.

takes2long
takes2long

The product reviews were the only thing worth watching on his channel to begin with.

massdebater
massdebater

He did some good reviews from some WotC products. I bought the Modern Event Deck years ago, which was a pretty decent product and he was right about the sleeves from it being pretty shitty and gave tips to upgrade it.

Illusionz
Illusionz

muh /pol/

this is Veeky Forums not reddit, you have to go back

FastChef
FastChef

kind of Offtopic, but why the fuck did Rudy from AI bought lot of that shitty MtG Gift Box?

Spamalot
Spamalot

This is not /pol/, get the fuck off my lawn.

Skullbone
Skullbone

Right, so insulting /pol/acks is actually hostile, derailing bait, and you shouldn't do it.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Because this thread was so good to begin with.

FastChef
FastChef

plebbit mods even doing the damage control on Veeky Forums

Do you feel in charge?

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PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Only thing that's watchable from him is the majority of content he puts out
Praising with faint damnation, there.

Inmate
Inmate

DESU, the "he or she" to "them" wording doesn't bother me. Other languages like Spanish had that change long time ago and I don't care if they did it just for for inclusion.
What I hate is the poor state standard is right now, the product quality and the shitty story they've been delivering in the last years with the gatewatch.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

What I hate is the poor state standard is right now, the product quality and the shitty story they've been delivering in the last years with the gatewatch.
That I can fucking respect. I quit the game during RTR/Theros because Standard was shit and I've yet to regret it.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

the shitty story they've been delivering in the last years with the gatewatch
What bugs me is there are kernels of creativity in there. Like elite armored zombies aren't original, but they were well done. Parts of the gatewatch narrative are mildly interesting, Bolas is an okay mustache twirling villain, and so on.

But it comes across as your standard Hollywood movie co-written by eight people, where three or four non-sequitur blurbs of dialogue or action scene moves are shoved into a loosely connected B-plot because the movie was just a vehicle for seeing the visuals they wanted and shoving lame quips into the public consciousness. Hour of Devastation comes across as being ABOUT destroying Egypt and having imagery of a destroyed Egypt be sold to children. The game itself, and the story with it, is a distant afterthought to the all important imagery.

Spamalot
Spamalot

Wizards wants to be Marvel so bad it hurts.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

58503871 (You)

What's wrong with it? I am aware of the events, but PR is tricky and the tweet doesn't seem bad in a vacuum. No idpol or explicit side-taking. Having people creating controversies in their community would make them look bad by association.

I believe that there are legitimate problems that need to be addressed, but we need to keep things apolitical. If crossboarders from /pol/ want to help, they must leave their politics at the door and try to solve problems in good faith. It helps no one if we're going to get sidetracked on "KANGZ", or stoop to the SJWs' level by bitching about casting(?) decisions.
I think it's stupid that Wizards is a part of some "Cultural Marxist" conspiracy. Why does kissing up to activist wannabees have to be a part of some political conspiracy and not just be a matter of cynical business? I don't like it when diversity is done for the sake of diversity or following some trend, but I don't believe this is a part of some Jewish conspiracy.

If Wizards is going to pull a "players are dead" on us, I'll stop playing or buying in a heartbeat, but for now, I'll tolerate this phase of dumb neo-feminist memes. Hopefully it will mellow out. If they want me to dabble with their "stronk independant womym creatures", then they better start printing good cards in all rare slots.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

They can’t even keep the hate for this set off their mainstream social media channels, fuck off (((Mark)))

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

If crossboarders from /pol/ want to help, they must leave their politics at the door and try to solve problems in good faith.
I agree and am interested in working in good faith, I think most people are. We have a serious problem. However, in good faith, it does seem really obvious to myself and others that there is a creepy, cultish, religious background tone that does need to be addressed in said good faith. Quite bluntly, groups that consider themselves real life wizards are all interested in the massive, popular, psychic smorgasbord that is Magic the Gathering. One of these organizations is the CIA, another is Mossad. Both have been infiltrating toy companies for decades.

It helps no one if we're going to get sidetracked on "KANGZ", or stoop to the SJWs' level by bitching about casting(?) decisions.
Agreed, of course. Though it is fair to say mixing cultures and races haphazardly can be seen as quite insulting to all cultures and races involved, and there's a difference between having peoples represented, and having an artistic mandate to draw white girl/black guy every time in, say, a mongolian marketplace. Artistic freedom is good, stories about cool fictional cultures are good. Letting the marketing department run the company is probably bad.

I think it's stupid that Wizards is a part of some "Cultural Marxist" conspiracy. Why does kissing up to activist wannabees have to be a part of some political conspiracy and not just be a matter of cynical business? I don't like it when diversity is done for the sake of diversity or following some trend, but I don't believe this is a part of some Jewish conspiracy.
Unfortunately it is, and I am saying that in good faith despite your posting style displaying the tells of a Mossad agent. I don't want politics to be dragged into this game, but pointing out just how much they're already a part of it isn't the same thing. I want literal spies out of our game, and I want their demoralization psyop to end.

MPmaster
MPmaster

Why are you trying to convince people who already agree /pol/ should fuck off that /pol/ should fuck off? Also Christ you sound condescending as fuck.

JunkTop
JunkTop

these bait posts will never stop, will they?

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Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

your posting style displaying the tells of a Mossad agent
That'd be "disagrees with me," presumably.

DeathDog
DeathDog

Actually its your inability to avoid being condescending combined with your poor formatting.

takes2long
takes2long

/pol/ should fuck off

we need people to say these things tho without fear:
pissed off wizards want to make women ugly and unappealing
samutt
making karn identify as a women
gender politics in our card rules text

at the end of the day we want a wizards to sell us fucking cardboard to us, how can they fuck up this bad?

SniperGod
SniperGod

Dominaria looks great, Masters looks dull as hell because they feel like they have to balance every product for limited.

RumChicken
RumChicken

making karn identify as a women

say what now?

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Methshot
Methshot

It's already too late.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

karn identifying as a woman

wait what? You better be shitting me fucker, links nao.

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TurtleCat
TurtleCat

karn identifying as a woman

You best be pulling that out of your hyperbolic ass cause it sounds just plausible enough to make me nervous

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Nojokur
Nojokur

Alright, I'm going to have to look up what Mossad is.
What I'm saying is that I think we need to sort our priorities and focus on the non-controversial things: Wizards needs to make Standard better, card stock needs to be improved, and the game needs to be more affordable (which is a very high barrier of entry for many of the very blacks and latinos they want to pull into the game, by the way). Getting distracted by dubious motives and culture wars is only going to result in nothing getting solved. Greedy people want pointless bickering because it means nothing changes, and nothing changing is generally more favorable for businesses.

/pol/ should leave their politics at the door. Everyone should. Politics is a minor topic at best. We cannot have ourselves be distracted by a creeping quagmire of political bullshit, especially when we have Wizards already kissing up to "progressives".
You could argue that there needs to be a counterweight, but if you are correct, I would still exercise coolness and avoid unwarranted outrage.

Playboyize
Playboyize

making karn identify as a women

That's the day Rosewater dies

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SniperGod
SniperGod

Alright, I'm going to have to look up what Mossad is

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takes2long
takes2long

There are actually people that think Wizards of the Cost can do no wrong and are actually customer friendly
They list how inclusive they are as good reasons
Great

Skullbone
Skullbone

focus on the non-controversial things: Wizards needs to make Standard better, card stock needs to be improved, and the game needs to be more affordable
Yes.

Card stock first. This is a fucking trading card game. Then affordability but never at the expense of card stock. Third, healthy support for all formats and ways to play. A healthy standard environment is good for Modern, Commander and Legacy. Even all those weird fringe formats deserve at least the attention of a page on WotC's website with a leaderboard or something. Keep people active in the game and shuffling their cards up in different ways.

TechHater
TechHater

No it's not, and all of these threads are full of retarded /v/irgins and /pol/kiddies

FastChef
FastChef

He's calling you part of Israeli intelligence, when you're clearly just a newfag. Seriously, go lurk for a while. I agree with you and reading your posts still makes me angry.

He's full of shit. Do you believe everything you read online?

Funny, the only idpol I ever have to deal with is you faggots.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

No, this Veeky Forums post Iconic Masters

likme
likme

Just capped this, if it happens, I'll know who to blame, and that wotc indeed does lots of damage control here.

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LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

I've read through pages and pages of feedback on the set, and talked to countless stores and players about Iconic Masters both in person and online. I cannot stress enough that this is something I really, truly care about. If you weren't happy with Iconic Masters, on behalf of the team, I would like to apologize. With everything we do in R&D, we're always learning from our experiences to make the next set as great as possible.

And I have some good news.

Masters 25 is the themed Masters set you've been waiting for.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

These days there's not much I would put past WotC.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

quads of hope.

God bless you user.

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Need_TLC
Need_TLC

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w8t4u
w8t4u

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VisualMaster
VisualMaster

I was thinking about this last night. The question is: did they *know* how to make a good Masters set, and then just fuck up executing on IMA and A25? or do they not actually know how to make a good Masters set?

The thing is, it doesn't seem like making a Masters set should actually be that difficult. You need to make sure the pack EV hits a certain benchmark - which is entirely in your control, since you know the secondary market value of every card you put into the set and you control the distribution. You need to make sure that there's a good balance between staples that are valuable because of high demand and cards that are valuable because of a low volume of existing cards in print - you want to have as few staples in the set as possible (because those are the most valuable cards from a reprint equity point of view) but you need to have some of them in there so that the set's EV remains steady and it stays in print longer, because non-staple cards lose value more quickly than staple cards. And you need to make it a solid drafting experience.

Those are the only 3 things that you need to do to make a Masters set. All of them are totally within the control of Wizards. And yet they've fucked up all 3 of them. It's genuinely bizarre. Wizards should *know* how to build a draftable set. They've done it plenty of times. Wizards should know how to determine a good EV for the set.

So the question is, where is this going wrong? Does Wizards actually not know this stuff? in which case, that's a worrying reflection on a lack of basic competence at game design. Or did Wizards fuck up somewhere on the execution, by underfunding development or putting inexperienced employees on it? In which case, that's a deeply flawed process that speaks to major problems in the way that MTG R&D is managed and run that needs to be fixed ASAP (and indicates that the problems with R&D aren't limited to the issues we've seen in Standard that are supposed to be addressed by Play Design).

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

/pol/ is the most reddit board on the whole site, and if you still use it after year one than you're a retard

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

they finally figured out how to make a good Masters set
They did that back in 2013

Spamalot
Spamalot

I hope it does, maybe enough of you will quit that these threads will go away

I never thought I'd miss the times when Veeky Forums's magic community consisted of 4 or so terrible players and self important GP grinding tripfag

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Dear god Desolator is such a try hard cunt.

askme
askme

mark had to fight to get this mechanic in
God damn it rosewater. Has there ever been a mechanic he's pushed for that wasn't awful?

Inmate
Inmate

I'm sorry that you're not used to mods actually moderating

WebTool
WebTool

Since you bring it up, this site's /pol/ is mostly Israeli botnets posing as white supremacists. That's why they sound so retarded. They're strawmen.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

he want's strict moderation

lol

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Dreamworx
Dreamworx

these threads will go away

I don't think you understand

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kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

on a basic level I think it's probably good to differentiate problems that you have with the game's public relations and social media and marketing, and problems that you have with the game's actual design and gameplay

because those aren't the same thing

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

before and afte
tgmeme.png

I'm not sure which is worse

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Most good mechanics in the game's history? If you mean ones that we know he supposedly pushed against the rest of the team for, landfall and split cards.

Historic is just a boring linear mechanic anyways. It's not even particularly bad. If you want bad mechanics you need ye olde drawback mechanics or busted shit like affinity for artifacts and phyrexian mana.

Emberburn
Emberburn

If there's an issue with a set or a booster box, do Wizards give you a different box / refund?

Illusionz
Illusionz

I don't want strict moderation, but I want reasonable moderation. The janitors on most Veeky Forums boards either just barely do their jobs, or delete everything they don't like.

The janitor on Veeky Forums hits a good balance by deleting bait, shitposts, and stuff that's against the rules, but keeps it at that.

w8t4u
w8t4u

It's probably pointless to try to evaluate Mark Rosewater by reference to individual mechanics or cards he's designed just because of the sheer volume of sets that he's worked on

that said, he's definitely designed plenty of completely busted shit - he was a designer on every set in Tempest and Urza's blocks (including being the sole designer on Urza's Destiny) and was the lead designer on Mirrodin so that's some pretty broken stuff right there.

idontknow
idontknow

Yeah he's probably designed most of the bad mechanics too.

Strictly speaking Urza's wasn't poorly designed, just poorly developed. That's his fault too, but I don't think anyone is deluded enough to think he's a good developer.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

That's problematic, user.

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5mileys
5mileys

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askme
askme

as it should be. If you don't like that then off to whatever other site you want to go too.

This is Veeky Forums, not your your site.

SniperWish
SniperWish

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RumChicken
RumChicken

I'm saying that Veeky Forums moderation is good you condescending retard

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Karn is now mai waifu

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

pissed off wizards want to make women ugly and unappealing
Point out bad art design in other cards, not just cards with women in them. They'll just call you a misogynist otherwise. "Progressives" will hide behind social justice and postmodernist memes so that they can paint over mistakes.
samut
Pretend she doesn't exist. If she isn't relevant at all they'll shelve her. We could talk about how underwhelming she is, but it would be better to just focus on Wizards fucking up (or improving) established walkers.
making karn identify as a woman
[citation needed]
gender politics in our card rules text
Changing "he or she" to "they" isn't a bad thing since it saves up on character space. Bragging about it as though you're some crusader of social justice is dumb. My recommendation would be to blatantly ignore their bragging and instead respond by praising how "they" will save up on text space and suggest other ways Wizards can save up on space (such as changing [name] to "this card"). It will frustrate them when you passive-aggressively ignore their culture war and deliberately miss the SJWs' point they want to make.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Didn't you read the thread user? Ignoring them won't do any good because they're definitely not a bunch of normal people living in the west coast cultural bubble, they're a bunch of CIA elite cultural hitmen trained by the Mossad to destroy America. With a card game. Which they post about on Veeky Forums. BEWARE.

Soft_member
Soft_member

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Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

at 5.99 they would be a great buy.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Reminder: you could be playing Cube, or Epic, or Star Realms, or Mage Wars, or any of the half-dozen card games published by FFG.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

How could anybody call this rape? He's clearly about to smash her head in

farquit
farquit

fucking KEK shill rat BTFO AGAIN

TreeEater
TreeEater

When you're an ugly woman or a beta male, everything is rape because you're obsessed with how you never get laid.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

When Shandalarians send their people- they're not sending their best. They're sending criminals.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Holy shit that looks exactly like every tranny I've ever seen irl

eGremlin
eGremlin

this

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Yeah no kidding

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Shit Trashwater should be fucking fired.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Lmao

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Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

I don't know if he should be fired. He still knows a tremendous amount about Magic design. But he should probably take a step back from working directly on set design and take a more senior, detached role, similar to what Bill Rose did.

Also, they should actively seek to encourage competitors to the Maro ideology of design. This is probably the single most important R&D thing that they need to do.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

he's losing the company 500 million dollars a year being fucking retarded. fired.

Firespawn
Firespawn

I'd like to see your calculations

eGremlin
eGremlin

I'll present them to you at the quarterly old man. Your time is up.

Snarelure
Snarelure

MaRo is hit and miss at best but respect should still be paid to his devotion to, and knowledge of, the game we all love. If they do a mass firing or something I would like to see him come back in some basic equal role on the core design team. His voice should be heard but by someone who can tell him to shut up now and then.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Saying "greed" is an option is like saying you're great at playing bingo because you put a chip on the free space in the center.

It's literally always the driving force behind everything. The goal is to find the *second* biggest influence.

w8t4u
w8t4u

you should remember the guy who ran over your dog because you loved the dog

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Your idiot grandpa ran over the dog so it's time to put him in a home but you love him so make sure it's a good one where they treat him okay.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Magic the Gathering as we understand it now literally would not exist without Mark Rosewater. Whatever it is that you like about the game, Mark Rosewater almost certainly played a significant role in it.

Soft_member
Soft_member

Also, grandpa knows a lot of shit that's still worth knowing. He shouldn't run the house anymore, but he is still worth talking to and learning from.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

loving shit trashwater

Techpill
Techpill

oh hai mark

hairygrape
hairygrape

Yes but he still fucks up and has been bad of late especially. Energy was his pet project for a long time and it was an utterly stupid mechanic which most people recognized immediately and was implemented utterly poorly. Cards like Rogue Refiner and Glimmer of Genius were just pushed cards with energy tacked on and nothing else. And when people realized how flawed energy was and asked him about it his only response was "we should have made the cost more expensive." As if thats the problem.

Also you can't tell me the decision to make removal worse and push creatures has been a good idea. That more than anything else has ruined standard.

SniperGod
SniperGod

One of the rare youtubers who isn't a complete shill like Wedge or a literal retard like Jeremy/Desolator
Lets ignore his constant criticisms of WOTC products because he isn't for bullying women

The absolute state of Veeky Forums and Veeky Forums. For a board so into gatekeeping, there sure was a big failure keeping the edgy simpletons out.

5mileys
5mileys

The funny thing is?
Karn's mind and soul come from Xantcha's heartstone.
Xantcha was a Phyrexian newt that was to be a sleeper agent, and thus looked human and female (despite being sexless). This was back in 98, mind you.
Karn identifying as female would honestly make sense. But they won't do that, because Karn has always been called male.

Evilember
Evilember

Fuck off TooSly4U

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

I don't know if he should be fired. He still knows a tremendous amount about Magic design.

Shut it Maro

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

((( Brian Lewis )))

Inmate
Inmate

(((Tranny Weirdo)))

King_Martha
King_Martha

They probably don't understand the difference between 'expensive because it's heavily played' and 'expensive because there's not many copies'
'Oh, the eventide lands are kinda expensive, must mean they're being used somewhere, people will like that!', etc

StonedTime
StonedTime

Honestly at least Rosewater plays the game. It's people like (((Elaine Chase))) that are running the company from the shadows.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Oh, for sure, I agree with that. There are huge fucking issues with R&D and have been for several years, and that's very visible in the product. And it goes beyond any errors in any one set - it's not just Kaladesh. They've had so many errors in so many sets and they've had issues that go across every set.

I'm just not sure that those issues are solely Mark Rosewater's fault, or can be solved just by firing Mark Rosewater.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

He apparently DOESN'T do that much nowadays besides the very beginnings of sets.
Perhaps the problem is that he's not actually making cards anymore, but instead is doing basically what you said he should be doing..

StonedTime
StonedTime

Very poorly. That's the problem.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

LOL STILL MAPPABLE!

youtube.com/watch?v=ygzb5j-lBR0

eGremlin
eGremlin

as we understand it now literally would not exist without Mark Rosewater.
Good, I don't want Creatures: The Tappening

Emberburn
Emberburn

Thanks Rudy

StonedTime
StonedTime

I was just using Kaladesh since it was most the most recent completed block and had its fair share of fuck ups. But I agree its hard to tell from the outside how much a person is responsible for a set but as Rosewater is frequently the head designer of sets (and its therefore his vision that design implements) I think it is fair to criticize him about the general philosophy of the pushed creatures and planeswalkers.

5mileys
5mileys

What happened with this again? Was it the 3x3 of women magic with that facebook group? Or was this the start of the whole Jeremy thing?

Playboyize
Playboyize

Hero we need but don't deserve

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Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

All they know how to do anymore is balance for limited and drafted. They've stopped caring about constructed altogether, and they will NEVER EVER consider set prices as even mentioning how much a card might cost can get them into trouble with the law.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

I don't give a shit about packs being mappable or seeded jace, did the fix the fucking card quality yet?
I really want that judge art Azusa without paying 80 dollars for it but not if it's the shitty quality that's been being put out since AMK. I shouldn't have to ask this, let alone continue asking it one year after the problem started. God damn Wizards, for fucks' sake.

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StonedTime
StonedTime

Incompetence

Probably this. The people designing these sets are all about muh draft experience and don't really care about constructed and its cards.

Illusionz
Illusionz

No, and it won't be fixed soon. Maybe on fall 2019 set.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Magic is dying because the focus is on anything but making the game.

Foils are worthless, the art is bland and the jacetice league is shit. On top of that we have the shitty TV-series reject writers pushing their dumb politics.

Booteefool
Booteefool

They can't talk about card prices, but I don't see why they can't look at them internally

but A25 isn't even good for drafting

Playboyize
Playboyize

this

Playboyize
Playboyize

I don't think any of those things make the design worse. And the design & development & product is where the problem is. If all of those things were exactly the same but the sets were better, there wouldn't be a problem.

girlDog
girlDog

Got myself a booster box of Conspiracy: Take the Crown for about 70 bucks. Good deal?

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Probably, there are plenty of 5-10 dollar cards in there.

DeathDog
DeathDog

draft it

cum2soon
cum2soon

I don't give a shit about packs being mappable or seeded jace, did the fix the fucking card quality yet?

Nope, won't happen for a while. The non-foiled warp complaints only picked up steam in October 2017 (My commander 2016 foils are unusable at this point, and I remember FTV complains in 2014). We can blindly assume from the Ixalan leaks that the sets are printed at least 5 months (closer to 6 most likely) in advance. So even if they do bother to go with higher quality printing, we won't see it until April, which is around the time of Dominaria getting released. That's further assuming that WOTC immediately changed printers, which didn't happen because wotc always drags their feet (see: the whole pedo thing) and are wildly incompetent. And you simply don't change printing companies overnight either.

So the answer is, 6 months + whenever WOTC switches printing companies.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Obviously.

Emberburn
Emberburn

My commander 2016 foils are unusable at this point
some guy got a gameloss under marked card for using a Kess because the curl was so bad, and the reason why the opponent knew to call a judge was because he asked the judge about every single Kess the vendors were selling and none of them would pass the test.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

If that's Canadian you essentially got it for cost.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

US, it was during an Ebay 20% sale, 89.99 to 71.89.

DeathDog
DeathDog

It's a cardstock problem, not a printing problem. They don't have to change printers they just have to yell at their printing service until they throw out that garbage paper and get new stuff in.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Chandra can't show her legs anymore
They redesigned Liliana's dress so she doesn't either
Nissa's joragas got -2/-2

Fucking puritans are the worst thing to ever happen in world history. I'd let Hitler, Stalin and Mao live 20 years longer just so John Pym had never been born.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

WotC is upset because The Legion of Dusk is the most popular faction in Mexico.
Every day it's more clear that "diversity" means "blacks and muslims".

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

The worst is many youtubers are supporting this shit. I used to respect the professor and learned a lot about quality products from WotC and sleeves but now he and many others are busy being inclusive and labels you as a jeremy supporter if you don't agree.

Like the "hi jeremy" poster? archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/text/"hi jeremy"/ It's all the same dude. I doubt it's the professor himself, and most likely some goon off r/mtg

SniperWish
SniperWish

la cretura wants to be white
kek

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

hahahhah. who did this?

ebay.com/itm/GARBAGE-MASTERS-BOOSTER-BOX-BUNDLE-ICONIC-MASTERS-MASTERS-25-GARBAGE-FIRE/123019211786?_mwBanner=1

Emberfire
Emberfire

I'm fine with this as long as we also get a card that shows off Jace's big dick

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

spaniards
white
why can't /pol/ keep their shit straight?

whereismyname
whereismyname

Big Dick Jace, Master of Dongs

happy_sad
happy_sad

Hilarious. Whoever did this, you're fucking fabulous. Shine on, you crazy diamond.

Illusionz
Illusionz

This and Iconic used to be one good set, then got split apart and filled with draft chaff to make 2 sets where they charge 9.99 or more per booster and milk the modern, legacy and EDH players that want reprints.

I'm 99% sure of it

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massdebater
massdebater

It's gonna go all the way to 25!

hairygrape
hairygrape

I took a few months off and missed this.

What the hells the context and was it more hilarious than the Zach jesse nonsense?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

RUDY IS LYING
THERES NO WAY TO BOXMAP
THE VIDEO IS FAKES SOMEHOW
LOOK I OPENED 2 BOXES AND THEY WERE DIFFERENT
Are these people shills or retarded? I honestly can't tell.
Shit man you can still download the RAV boxmap app to your phone, no idea why people are acting like its some never before seen issue.

eGremlin
eGremlin

vampires
not white
this isn't the blade cinematic universe

Emberfire
Emberfire

Bram Stoker probably didn't think Dracula was white

RavySnake
RavySnake

A25
celebrating 25 years of mtg mistakes
including box mapping.

Booteefool
Booteefool

Whiter than you Harker

Evilember
Evilember

And we even got leaks, too! Its like a resume of all Magic history, mistakes and puns all gathered in a season.

WebTool
WebTool

the great magic shittening is finally upon us
This shit has been in the works for a good ten years you newfag faggots, you could literally see this coming as the only road coming ever since even fucking timespiral with the lore being thrown out the window then. you faggots traded lore for gameplay and now you faggots traded gameplay for Virtue signaling, you deserve what you got for shitting the bed and worshipping the shitty jacetice league ever since its ass inception in lorwyn.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

It's not never before seen but EMA for example had some duplicate boxes pop up and yet that set never turned out with a full map. Boxing isn't random but depending on how big the pattern is people may not have enough time to figure out which boxes have the good shit in them.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Greed.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

There's literally no reason why ensnaring bridge shouldn't have been a rare. What a waste.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

mappable means that all the boxes are the same
How new are you?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

I don't think it's terrible, but $10 is ridiculous. The set looks so unfocused and messy. It's like 25% needed reprints, 25% iconic cards, and 50% draft cards. There are no themes to draft other than 2 card combos and cycling and burn kind of. Also they reprinted cards that were part of a cycle, but didn't do the whole cycle which bugs me. They need to focus on sets and decide what the theme is. They can't have it all 3 ways with draft, iconic cards, and needed reprints. It's just not possible

JunkTop
JunkTop

Went to an LGS this past weekend and checked their glasscases. They had all their cards on display in those individual plastic flipcases for some godawful reason. The kicker was that the foils from C16 looked like a fucking tetanus victim. There was a Breya curved so bad it had popped off the flipcase lid from the pressure of the rising arch, just sitting in its case. This shit is absurd.

MPmaster
MPmaster

Someone diabolically malicious came up with that disarming turn of phrase.

Flameblow
Flameblow

It's too highroll, which is what pushes people away. Pull Jace or lose money every time

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot

Skullbone
Skullbone

I'm so disappoint with Master 25, for a few reasons, and I really just want everyone to see it my way so we can universally boycott it.
Feel free to pick up a few singles I guess? But largely just avoid.

Why do you all have to have different opinions?

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TalkBomber
TalkBomber

doomsday+master of the wild at mythic
fucking hell

Nojokur
Nojokur

Deal.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

shirtless jace isn't good enough for you?

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Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

But never rule out malice.

likme
likme

No, that's Veeky Forums in general before and after /pol/ was reopened.

girlDog
girlDog

People talk about politics because any time people complain about the SJW /Cultural Marxist types Wizards tries to pander to in hopes of expanding their market, or links any particular bad decision to this marketing pandering, a bunch of people come in and start screaming "You're from /pol/, you're wrong and nothing is happening. Go back to /pol/" without any thought. This obviously drags in politics. You can't deny that Wizards is trying to pander, and it should be a valid avenue of discussion to point it out and discuss how it's hurting the brand, yet instead people chimp out at the slightest thing and accuse people of being cross-board posters. As long as people keep flipping tits about people discussing Wizard's marketing strategy, then more politics will get dragged into it, because you make people feel like they need to justify why they see this pandering as a problem or why Wizard's is doing it, or what's wrong with SJWs/Social Marxists in the first place.

And yes, for the record, I agree that a small man like Wizards isn't doing this as a conspiracy, but because they're retards and think they can expand their market to people that by and large don't buy cards while keeping their old ones by doing this pandering, because execs are out of touch and socially pretty stupid. Though it's clear that a lot of low level people in the company probably share the politics of the new group they're trying to pander to, maybe as hires to help the pandering or who helped give them the idea to pander in the first place. From a place of cynical capitalism, it's still a stupid move that leads to some dumb shit and pushes away people who actually buy things. Same thing happening to comic books.

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whereismyname
whereismyname

Good summary, to be honest.

Supergrass
Supergrass

Maybe if he had a non-stupid looking attire.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

why did they make such a shit jace?

Methnerd
Methnerd

Like, it looks fun to draft
After drafting it multiple times on xmage, I have to disagree. Aside from a few great s like Bolt or Brainstorm, theres fuck all at common or uncommon. The majority of drafts I played were won by shit like Nezumi Cutthroat, since theres barely any artifact creatures and not every player can draft black. There's a good amount of ramp at low rarities, but nothing to even ramp into. It plays like a really shitty chaos draft where nothing works together and everyone is just playing some flavor of goodstuff.

Booteefool
Booteefool

People are upset with /pol/ because /pol/fags are fucking assholes

idontknow
idontknow

except they're not legendary
What?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

I think it's because /pol/ has a abysmal track record of derailing threads, spamming and shitposting, so people tend to overreact when they see something that sorta-kinda looks like /pol/.

DeathDog
DeathDog

Fuck off WotC.

King_Martha
King_Martha

all this projection
Priceless

viagrandad
viagrandad

Way to not read the post at all.

That creates the problem they think they're seeing (out of place politics) as I said. If someone started ranting about Jews that's one thing, but people keep flinging accusations at people for pointing out and discussing the audience Wizards is pandering to and what decisions could be part of it. That subject being something that is relevant to MTG discussion. They're paranoid enough that they drown out discussion of a legitimate issue and encourage people to, in reply, go off into the actual off topic bullshit to counter them. It's a classic example of shooting yourself in the foot.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

It's important to remember that people who wouldn't be posting it are far more likely to post it after 2 or 3 other anons have.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Karn, Speedrunner

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

fucking lol'd

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Hitler did literally nothing wrong

TechHater
TechHater

Is XV-kun posting on Veeky Forums now?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Hitler did literally nothing

w8t4u
w8t4u

Veeky Forums
welcoming anyone
Wanna know how we know you're from reddit?

FastChef
FastChef

I wish /v/ was still up so you would go back there instead of shitting up the last good board

farquit
farquit

Jace is legendary (along with every other planeswalker retroactively). A true copy would trigger the legendary rule and all but one would have to be "sent to the graveyard as a state-based effect" (not dying, not sacrifice).

RumChicken
RumChicken

Planeswalker uniqueness rule got simplified to just the usual legend ruley, so this built-in loophole lets you clone your jace without losing the original

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

proving his argument
You cannot prove a negative. The boxes might be mappable. Your inability to map them doesn't discount the potential that someone else might be able to.

eGremlin
eGremlin

MtG was never good. Debate me.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

People DO keep ranting about Jews, though.
And there's a big difference between just complaining about SJW bullshit and the endless deluge of WE WUZ and DESIGNATED and various other forms of shitposting that has been rampant for the past few years.

idontknow
idontknow

people keep saying uncomfortable truths in the context of those truths being relevant to traditional games manufactured recently, it's a fucking invasion
Sorry that we aren't all blinded by cognitive dissonance like yourself, retard.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Every single mention of the word Jew except for my own in this thread was by someone implying people who point out the issues with SJW pandering are insane conspiracy theorists. Every conversation stemming from those posts about conspiracy theories was begun solely by them being paranoid about other posters. Even your own post triggered this one which would not have existed without your help.

eGremlin
eGremlin

Constant repetition does nothing but shit everything up.
There are huge fucking problems with all the bullshit pandering. Constantly spamming /pol/ memes has nothing to do with 'uncomfortable truths' whatsoever. It's just shitposting.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

You're seeing so many of them because you keep complaining about posters before they even happen or accusing innocent posters when hey discuss pandering. You're all a big cause of the problem because more often than not you bring it up first.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

the truth is just shitposting
Yeah, yeah and abortion isn't murder because they aren't born yet. Keep right on chugging those cocks my dude.

cum2soon
cum2soon

0 matches for "kike", 6 for "jew". Ironically, those posters were complaining about boogeymen, rather than Jews.

Techpill
Techpill

Wait a minute, are you saying that an SJW just made up a false report of someone saying hateful things to justify censorship?

PEOPLE OF COLOR ME SURPRISED

DeathDog
DeathDog

Magic is being kept afloat by pure inertia at this point.

Emberfire
Emberfire

It's got more legitimate competition than it's ever had and the product is worse than it's ever been (with a few short and rare exceptions). I'm surprised they haven't sold it off yet, but they might hold out until it's crashed and worthless like TSR was.

StonedTime
StonedTime

God how the fuck is that even remotely sexual, bitch is obviously about to get decked in the face. Don't even start on "his knee is between her legs" like fucking hell I'm still mad about this.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Fuck off shill

Evilember
Evilember

A trading card game with a system to police the pacing of a game and have later turns be able to have more impactful plays and which has five different factions that require a devotion to a resource to draw upon is a good game.

girlDog
girlDog

better than m25

Skullbone
Skullbone

Veeky Forums is filled with assholes how new are you?

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

That's not shilling it's the truth, FOW and YU GI OH are better options at this point.

Flameblow
Flameblow

Flames of War?

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

never met anyone who played it.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Wizards of the Coast banned him from attending their most recent conference on transphobia because of it
their most recent conference on transphobia because of it
Wieards of the Coast
At this point i legitimately can't make the difference between troll or legit news anymore.
I'm lost.

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askme
askme

sadly it's true.

Lunatick
Lunatick

What the fuck is wrong with the world we're living in? I just want to play card games.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Lol it's not. Jeremy is an alt right neckbeard who got b& for using his public accounts to harass a cosplayer. He then started a smear campaign (on the fucking Daily Stormer of all places) against Wizards to relieve his butthurt, discovered an old judge was now in jail for being a pedo, and started saying WotC was filled to the brim of pedos and how he was trying to protect the children all along.

I don't think he deserved the permab& in the first place, maybe a year AT MOST, but good luck coming back after accusing them of that shit.

I hate the /pol/fags that follow him and regurgitate everything he says though, since he's /theirguy/ fighting the good fight against the evil SJW corporation. They're a fucking plague that can't shut the fuck up about pedos and SJW on regular Magic threads on other boards.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

/lgbt/

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

being upset that you favorite hobby is getting clean housed by a outside force of puree autism that would otherwise never happen and would otherwise burn it to the ground with political propaganda

you sound like the problem here user

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PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

With the closing of toys r us

Hasbro cant afford fuck ups like this

This is a critical moment for WoTC in the wake of the biggest consumer of hasbro products going under

They NEED to get their shit together or this game will be done.

Masters 25 should be a wake up call and in my opinion was which is why the “leaks” came out. Distract and attract. That was the name of that game.

Spamalot
Spamalot

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Firespawn
Firespawn

What's sad about Toys R Us is that the people that bought them saddled the company with a shitload of debt that, even when each store was being very profitable, was unable to pay off the hige amount owed so now they're going under.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

When did Veeky Forums become such a pack of whiny little bitches? Masters 25 looks alright, and Dominaria is going to be fucking great.

King_Martha
King_Martha

I was wondering when this would come up, agreed.

RavySnake
RavySnake

Dominaria looks OK and Masters 25 is just reprint central to devalue existing staples. I'm glad Pedelhaven and Simian Spirit Guide are a thing but I dont need to buy any of the shit packs or boxes when I can just buy singles.

The problem is this has come too late and in a weak way. People are fed up as fuck with WotC and the jewtubers are accelerating the process.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

harass a cosplayer
THE SKY IS FALLING
t.chickenlittle

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

People DO keep ranting about Jews, though.
That's disingenuous. Discussing the fucking bizarre angles of attack Mossad chooses to use to put pressure on western societies is not ranting. This reminds me of Occupy's failure. They gathered together, declared they were furious with the banks, then noticed how awkward it was that the Rothschilds were Jewish, and promptly disbanded. Now members of Occupy can be found in antifa, defending the banks with violence.

People just don't like to think uncomfortable thoughts.

Bidwell
Bidwell

People just don't like to think uncomfortable thoughts on a message board intended for children's board/card games
Hey man I'm 100% with you on the JQ but this isn't the place for it

SniperGod
SniperGod

Not how shit went down with Occupy and your assertion that "People just don't like to think uncomfortable thoughts" is some of the funniest shit I've seen in a while.

But you know that, because you're more likely than not doing the whole false flagging thing to make folks what don't like jews sound even crazier than they already are.

Ra ra fight the applesponges though right?

King_Martha
King_Martha

Explain the religious connotations of Bolas' horns in Amonkhet and Hour of Devastation then. Not talking about the JQ, talking about Tikkun Olam specifically, and how it pertains to WotC's obsession with destroying worlds.

applesponges
Fuck off, bagelsucker.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Hasbro forced the split that turned IMA and A25 into two sets because they wanted something rushed out for Hascon.

Meanwhile over at WotC Play Design has already given us cheap Challenger Decks with good value and Dominaria. I think if Hasbro tries to change course now they're more likely to fuck it up than help.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Why are you so mad about being called out on your obvious hatred for the applesponges though?

(Also, mind, to anyone watching-- This is why quests being kicked out ruined the board. THIS SHITTY BANTER IS NOW THE MOST INTERACTIVE CONTENT AVAILABLE ON THIS SHITHOLE. Thanks, chink moot, thank you so very fucking much.)

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Not mad, and since this is about me, and not on topic, I will leave it at that.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

inb4 I'd rather have 24/7 /v/ tier bantz than quests any day of the week.
We're being drowned out by shitters on all sides and the fa/tg/uys are too autistic to understand what's happening.

Snarelure
Snarelure

What, do you think we're gonna stop phoneposting and influxes from Reddit etc. at this point? September's never gonna end, mate-- But go on and whine about THAT side of things, sure. That can actually be changed.

JunkTop
JunkTop

So if you ain't mad why are you NOW wanting to stay on topic so desperately? I think your hatred of applesponges is just as relevant as your supposed hatred of jewish intelligence agencies to Veeky Forums!

Booteefool
Booteefool

The important thing is that we never directly address the possibility of a secret society within WotC. Those don't exist in real life, don't have esoteric motivations, and would never be interested in taking over a card game named Magic.

Fucking phoneposting redditors on Veeky Forums tho am i rite?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

What, do you think we're gonna stop phoneposting and influxes from Reddit etc. at this point?
I genuinely believe we could if fa/tg/uys stopped giving low quality bait (you)'s while thinking that sage is even a viable option at this point. Alas, September never ends, so shitposters will continue to post anything they want and fa/tg/uys will keep getting caught in the genjutsu of shitposting by posting bait macros and a quip while thinking to themselves "man, I sure made him look dumb."

Then 250+ posts later, people will ask why this shit is still on Veeky Forums.

MPmaster
MPmaster

I feel like that the problem also lies on Development's failure to balance the numbers correctly. Energy could've been saved if they increased the Energy-Mana ratio of abilities. Copter was OP due to design. I feel like actual problems were the general state of design (pushed creatures, low power meaning that BFZ was always going to be screwed, Madness didn't see much use in SOI, Meld was played too safely.)

massdebater
massdebater

Mate look you're saying that the interactive medium we are on can be fixed if only people do not interact with it.

I want you to ponder on that for a while.

Skullbone
Skullbone

The important thing, actually, is that we do not examine your motivations for pushing a wild narrative with no support. People don't do that for any reason, and would never do that on Veeky Forums.

You are right about the fuckin' phoneposters and redditors bein' aptly described as "fuckin'", though, yeah.

JunkTop
JunkTop

You're up your own ass here. On topic is discussing infiltration of gaming companies as one reason WotC is falling apart.

You seem to think I'm a lefty posing as a rightwinger to discredit the right wing, but you're also unwilling to explain what Moloch's horns are doing in Egyptian imagery. Go ahead and come up with an excuse for that if you want to pretend it's not obvious.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Some art school twat went "Hey, horns would look neat here"

There's your explanation. And why are you so salty about having your motivations for narrative-pushing called out? Why are you pretending that discussing the community that claims to play tabletop games is not Veeky Forums relevant?

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

The important thing is that we never directly address the possibility of a secret society within WotC. Those don't exist in real life, don't have esoteric motivations, and would never be interested in taking over a card game named Magic.

lol

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Is your homestead under attack by rocs? because that is a giant strawman.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Mate look you're saying that the interactive medium we are on can be fixed if only people do not interact with it.
I'm not saying that people need to stop interacting with the medium, I'm saying that people need to learn a bit of discretion when giving shitposters the time of day.

If everyone bothered to use the catalog, filter threads they didn't like, hide threads/posts they didn't want to see, report threads that are spamming the same topic over and over again for the sake of (you)'s, and create threads that actually generate discussion while at the same time recognizing that a disenting opinion is not the same as trolling, I believe that this place and other boards could improve.

Unfortunately, it's much easier to say "U MAD LMAO" and post an image macro of a fishing hook than to actually ignore bait when you see it and to let good threads die because nobody has a topic that will make people angry enough to post.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Why would they waste their recorces on magic when they could go after something with a wider reach? Magic, reletivly speaking, isn't really played by that many people. It would also make more sense to go after pokemon or yu-gi-oh, where more of the players are children

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

That's like saying "If we could all get along, and never had competing desires, there would be no war!"

That may or may not be true, but the more important question is-- How the fuck do you plan on making it happen?

The very nature of this site causes the interactions you don't like. And enforcing social norms via groupthink doesn't work on an anonymous board.

Moreover, you're acting like it's a split between "the easy, wrong thing" and "the hard, right thing." Which is bullshit. If you come on here with the explicit intent of shitposting or /pol/posting, then you are getting what you want. Moreover, the actual discussion on this board currently? It sucks ass. The people here are way fucking dumber than they were only 5 years ago. If I wanted real and sensible discussion with folks, I'd go somewhere that I could find decent folks to have it with.

girlDog
girlDog

The fish hook images hit a balance because they let you respond without responding

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

As someone who is a literal fascist, it boggles my mind how leftists lack a total understanding of what fascism is, or what the term "alt-right" even means. Fascism is a very specific political ideology. The Alt-right is a white identitarian movement, which Jeremy is not a part of at all. In fact he's argued quite fervently against it. Jeremy has zero connections to the Daily Stormer, they just cover news. If you actually read the Daily Stormer, you'd quickly realize most of those articles are written to play right into your every boogeyman stereotype made by leftists. You lack political understanding, you smear by association, and worst of all you just regurgitate everything you hear without a single original thought having crossed your mind. the enemy is not WOTC, they are running a brilliant social media blitzkrieg. The problem are the low IQ consumers such as yourself who buy the idea that multinational mega corporations give a single shit about "social justice." Go to Reddit, you will be much more comfortable there, no one will challenge your ideas on penalty of expulsion.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

enforcing social norms via groupthink doesn't work on an anonymous board

StonedTime
StonedTime

he isn't buying fakes until they fix they're shit

Nojokur
Nojokur

Look in a mirror. You see everything left of hitler as communist filth, they see everything right of stalin as nazi scum

Booteefool
Booteefool

Damn user, this seems pretty spot on

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

with the death of toy's r us they may not have the time.

mtg is on it's death bed.

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hairygrape
hairygrape

Rather than acting like I'm from the internet, I'm going to talk like a human being. Why do you think the opposite case?

As much as I see this meme getting pushed, did they actually make substantial revenue from those stores? I've always seen MtG folks and places selling merch for 'em around gaming shops and occasionally video-game focused cyber cafes.

TreeEater
TreeEater

implying anyone bought mtg from TRU

StonedTime
StonedTime

probably not, TRU marked up the prices by a shit ton and I never knew a soul who went there to buy mtg myself.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

I am neither white nor do I think highly of Nazism. You are aware that fascism as a political philosophy has many schools of thought and expressions correct? This is what I am talking about, you paint with a broom when you should be using a fine brush. There is no discernment in your mind, just cartoonishly simplistic black and white. Like I said, you may be more comfortable on reddit.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Yes fellow user, the true answer must be somewhere in the middle. Truly we are the enlightened gentlemen here.

Jeremy is a leftist. He has more in common with you and WotC's staff than with many of the consumers of this game. That's fine. But claiming he's alt-right is just insane. The alt-right are an FBI led controlled opposition strategy created in the wake of the FBI losing all control over aryan identity and culture. The alt-right is essentially a replacement for that whole joke that an FBI agent at a KKK rally arrests a homeland security agent and it turns out the whole room is just informants.

I don't want this game to be sacrificed to moloch. Stop WotC, don't get caught up in sideshow politics by picking a football team or which middle finger you prefer Uncle Sam to wave in your face.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

That doesn't matter guys, Less money for hasbro, they have to cut off a head from the snake.

MTG is looking very bad now, we sound like a very good choice.

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Soft_member
Soft_member

I saw the multiple Akroma and wondered if they just do an Akroma for each color. That angel changes sides the same way some go through shoes.

massdebater
massdebater

So your saying they need to get rid of a few subsidiaries?

Flameblow
Flameblow

He did just blast the M25 set

RavySnake
RavySnake

exactly, and with the bad press that mtg has gotten recently along with poor sales and dropping players it's may be on the chopping block.

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MPmaster
MPmaster

Oh shit.

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JunkTop
JunkTop

yep, but if it happens MAYBE another company will pick it up, however with the pedo shit still looming it may or may not happen.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

We appear to have shat the bed, boss. Should we start cleaning it up?
No leave it there and roll around a bit. Stay in bed for at least two years so they'll need a hazmat crew and a crane to remove you. Now pass the cocaine and write me another world to destroy.

Techpill
Techpill

This, finally someone who fucking understands how a business works.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Oo not necessarily

Companies are after one thing

Money

Money is over sjw politics, feminsim, agendas, and especially over the hiring of marketing and employess who inly want to see these agendas adcance

So when shit hits the fan real good you can bet your bottom dollar that hasbro will either

Sell WoTC

Or

Clean house

There is no inbetween ifs ands or buts.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

I dont think people realize how close we actually are to this being realized.

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GoogleCat
GoogleCat

I think the 1 year stock is a better thing to be shown.

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King_Martha
King_Martha

Oh of course

Thank you for showing the true scale of this situation

Bidwell
Bidwell

magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/play-design/designing-masters-25-2018-03-16

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Set made by 3 people
We didn't bother playtesting it
And there are literally people defending this heap in this thread

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Methshot
Methshot

all the way down since m25

kek

Flameblow
Flameblow

Is this some kind of joke

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SniperWish
SniperWish

Also, I'm pretty sure ATH was in August, so not good prospects, but I don't know how much is due to TRU being shut down

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

What's ATH?

Anyway, why is Habro hit that hard by TRU going bankrupt when TRU couldn't sell shit anymore? Wouldn't they just put more shit into Walmart etc.?

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Oh shit hahahahaha

Inmate
Inmate

All Time High
I think it's because TRU was the biggest seller for toys and shit like that, Mattel is being hit hard by it too.

Techpill
Techpill

Uggggh what are you going to do, criticize a woman you shitlord?
"When Balduvian Horde was in Standard, it was an absolute powerhouse. At the time, 5/5 creatures were extremely hard to remove from the battlefield, especially when backed up by land destruction and burn."
Yea a shitty 4 mana 5/5 with a discard downside will go great in a format packed with good removal spells.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

m25 is so bad company stock goes with it

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Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

I wish it was that but it's more affected by TRU closing. Wouldn't doubt that A25 being bad affected it.

likme
likme

no see it's just a happy accident. Still funny

askme
askme

Nobody gives a shit in the financial world as long as nobody is breaking it down for the shareholder retards.

Now if anyone would write an article worth shit for the financial world how one of Hasbro's flagshit franchises is fucked (quality issues that aren't addressed that lead to people buying less, revenue drop, a PROJECTED 40% playerbase loss since 2015 (whether it's true or not), Masters sets not selling, etc.), now that would something to behold.

Illusionz
Illusionz

Nobody gives a shit in the financial world as long as nobody is breaking it down for the shareholder retards.

money is always cared about how dumb are you?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Did you respond to the wrong post? Are you drunk?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Something you have to understand about a lot of this shit is most investors don't know all that much.

It goes like this:

Hasbro makes toys
TRU closes
Hasbro has less outlets for toys
Therefor they cannot sell as many toys
Therefor their revenues will be down

End of Rine.

Markets are also very panicky, all it takes is one large sell to start a crash. Part of it is due to people who press the sell button the instant something seems to have a turn down and the other are the automated trading algorithms (that have become so complex and built up over so many layers even the people who program them can't tell you exactly how they'll respond to a given situation) that often fall into a cascade pattern that can either drive down the price significantly or even push it up.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

For years, we have designed Limited formats based on archetypes and color pairs.
Doing this helps give players an idea of what to look for when drafting and a clear direction in deck building.
That kind of direction isn't present in Masters 25.
There are no distinct Draft archetypes or color pairs; instead we rely on high-power two-card combos that will work in any type of deck.

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS. DELET THIS NOWWWWWWW

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Spamalot
Spamalot

If you are trying for demagoguery, you don't want to look for cultists in the town square, you seek them out in places outcasts naturally find themselves gravitating to.
You really don't see the pattern of hyperlefties attempting to infiltrate any "nerd" medium, when those mediums have become "nerd" mediums because the users of that medium were ousted from all other parts of society?
They are operating how any other cult would operate, if you stripped out all other factoids about it just being a card game. If I were to explain it in a double blind fashion, you would reaonably say "thats how a cult operates."

And you'd be right. And no, not every business enterprise by default operates in the same vein as a cult does, only shitty businesses. So now the discussion is: Is WotC simply shit, or is there a deeper meaning?

King_Martha
King_Martha

hasbro wanted a thing to make money and they fucked it up
surely the next time they make a short-sighted grab for money it will work out exactly the way I want it to

idontknow
idontknow

look at these duplicates i pulled
happy for jaces tho
6 freaken boxes, opening packs in rows right to left
4 boxes are duplicates with another box

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Supergrass
Supergrass

unstable has nothing usable outside of draft
sells well
try to replicate it by filling masters $0.25 with nothing usable outside draft but don't even put in shiny lands and charge 10 beans per rattle

Lunatick
Lunatick

that's some bad ev

cum2soon
cum2soon

here is closer

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lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Fucking spics

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Fucking /tg

MPmaster
MPmaster

my statement still stands, out of 6 boxes you got shit

Snarelure
Snarelure

i did get shit on, but it is better than 0 jaces outta 6 boxes

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

6 boxes min price is 960 dollars
if you wanted jaces you were better off waiting and buying the singles because he's dropping not only due to supply but also not being good except for very few lists like BUG Tezz
Absolute waste of money

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