I'm not a /pol/tard trying to bait discussion of why national socialism is (in)correct, I'm genuinely curious. I'm developing a post-apocalyptic ice age setting with supernatural elements for a "gritty comfy" campaign and I'm thinking the eugenicist descendents of a militant neo-nazi doomsday prepper cult adopting a faux-roman expansionist strategy could be an interesting late-game threat or ally if the PC's go full holocaust on the mutants, fae-touched, and sapient leftover genetic experiments gone right. But I'm drawing a bit of a blank for inspiration here, and I know I'm not the only with neo-nazi atangonists in their post-apocalyptic campaign setting, so I'd like to hear what everyone else has to say on the subject.
Mods, please don't delete this thread, I'm not trying to bait or shitpost, I have a genuine reason for the thread.
I mean, it sounds like you have things sorted user.
What I would suggest in this situation is drop the "Nazi" bit simply because in a post apocolyptic scenario humanity is too scarce to divide on melanin principles. It also makes them less immediately comically stupid, because Nazis are comically stupid.
So, what I suggest is this:
>Militant doomsday prepper 'the end is nigh' cult >Turns out a Broke Clock is right twice a day and the world ends for totally unrelated reasons, but they see this as justification for their ideaology >Aggressively pro human and anti magical whatsits >Aggressively preserve and hoarde technology, resources and history >Divided into caste system by aptitude, determined by tests and genetic analysis >Ruled by a council of elders >Venerate their founder religiously
I just realized I basically described the Brotherhood of Steel but you get the idea. Make them Nationalist Socialists, not 'Nazis' persay. Add in elements of a cult and a sense of entitlement to the old worlds resources
No they are not. They are just stupid edge lords with nothing better to do to try help improve or rebuild the world. So are the commies.
Cooper Myers
Just like real life.
To expand further, if you wanted to hammer the eugenics and right wing thing more, breeding could be restricted to a select partner or partners, based on genetic profile.
Women could be restricted from certain careers because men are more physically apt for them, and vice versa.
I get what you mean completely, they're not nazis in the sense they're anti-zionist german supremacists, they're nazis in the sense they're elitist militaristic expansionists. The focus of the setting is in the frigid remains of the North American mid-west and to a lesser extent, central Canada and cascadia, so the vast majority of pure-strain humans are cacauscoid or asiatic, so the ethnic nationalist aspect doesn't come up so often, so much as the racial nationalist aspect, races being entirely seperate not necessarily human or terrestrial species. You've got what I've got so far right on the money, though they generally have a "familial" streak, in that they see the members of their eugenically enhanced gene-pool as kin, regardless of relations, and proceed accordingly.
This. Say what you will, they had their aesthetic down pat.
But user, soviet-era military trash with dark lighting and a layer of grit and grime is peak aesthetic.
Jackson Wood
Do cyberpunk neo-nazis count if World War III happened in setting and the world is kind of shitty? Or is that too removed from traditional post-apocalypse because there hasn't really been a major breakdown of society
Elijah Hernandez
Dystopian cyberpunk is an apocalypse waiting to happen, more than post-apocalyptic enough for my tastes. Post away user.
Kayden Phillips
Why were they there though?
Robert Hall
If they weren't there the red line would've crushed the other factions outright.
Chase Hernandez
When I ran Apocalypse World I had a hardholder named Lord Smonhatten who ruled the kingdom of Somanhatten.
His Smontroopers wore fancy clothes and helmets based off these dudes he saw in a museum.
That's the closest I got to post-apocalyptic neo-nazis.
Angel Ross
I hate Nazis, but apparently they have the safest Metro and seem much more well equipped than the Reds. I highly doubt it’s the political system, since it’s clear the eugenicist angle is just to get rid of anyone who’s disadvantageous (excess population, political dissidents), but they must have something going for them.
That and they actually committed to the Peace agreement unlike the Reds.
Anyway for OP, I say like Metro, make it about fear of mutants rather than fear if Jews or minorities.
Asher Gray
Actually the Nazis were ironically pro-Zionist. It got Jews out of Europe so they supported it.
Anyway sounds like the Enclave.
Aiden Thomas
Right, most of this is I'm still working on, and some of this I'm making up as I go, so forgive me if this is a little rough around the edges.
>street nazis Your usual boneheads, the kind that put on their military surplus stahlhelm, wave their swastika flag in the street, make a big fuss, all that shit. Sometimes they'll get in streetfights with leftist groups or other fringe types, but mostly they stick to posting their Hermann Goering cosplay on social media. >techno-neo-nazi The basic idea here is they attempt racial purity through genetic engineering, 100% pure all-beef Aryan designer babies and all that shit. Eventually they may attempt to bioengineer a virus to target non-white DNA, or things such as genetic predisposition to disease, disorders, etc. Or they'll go even further, a virus to target anyone besides themselves. Alternatively they might utilize genetic testing as a means of determining how much of a gay black socialist muslim disabled jew you are. >nazi #3 Nazis that absolutely loathe any sort of artificiality. Cyborgs, genetically modified people, in vitro births, stuff like that. They butt heads with the technazis a lot, have a bit of a luddite streak, and overall are more of a lower-class and rural strain of nazi. Beyond basic shitty prosthetics most of the cool cyborg and biomod stuff is a bit more of an upper crust sort of thing, though usually when these nazis act it's on people with the basic shitty prosthetics (and of course also on non-whites, jews, etc).
And somewhere in here you have "take all the brown people and jews and handicapped and send them into space" and "let's go off into space to get away from all the brown people and jews and handicapped"
There's an interesting effect when you take Nazism, and other forms of xenophobia, racism, etc and set them against the backdrop of the intense multiculturalism frequently found in cyberpunk. If I was actually smart I probably would know what it is.
Parker Harris
Russia has a huge neonazi larping community user
Nolan Russell
thats my fetish though
Dylan Sanders
I think something that could be interesting to explore would be the nature of two natures of the Nazis flight with each other in a way that never happened in the Third Reich.
Nazism is a fundamental contradiction, as it is both trying to move the Ayran people into future of the race and trying to return those same peoples to a pre-christen Germanic way of life. In fighting between these two groups could be interesting.
Maybe various SS-lite Viking LARPers come in conflict with the scientists who are actually trying to get shit done for the Extermination plan, and the more mechanist sympathizers have to deal with their colleagues just going through and destroying their work due to possible Jewish influence in the research.
Nathaniel Garcia
I don't play in a post-apocalyptic setting but we have a religous Order that worked with the Nazis and hold their secrets.
The Order of Eschat is a christian transhumanist order following eugenic principles so that divine science achieves the Omega Point and that He create us anew. The have a world wide influence has they have a corporation THIE who is one of the leading genetic mover in the world ( One of the greatest achievment was a immortality drug that they secretly sell to those the ORder sees as trustworthy) and they sell highest advanced gene human to several groups. The greatest danger is their universities in which they educate their genetic augemented children. They also have a castle in the alpins in which a anceint Nazi scientist works on his various project. They even have a Nazi Overman there that is kept in stasis as he is possessed by outer evil.
Lucas Russell
Also the Order isn't exacly NAzis as they didn't see any importance on ethnicity or nationality, important is the soul. That lead to a disagreement with the Nazis way back in WW2. The Order origanlly helped the Nazis as they saw them as a force to remake the world in their image, but afterwards they realized that the NAzis weren't willing to accept any other power. Because of that the Order fought with the Resistance agaisnt the Nazis.
Oliver Parker
I imagine post-apo neo-nazi's wouldn't have a direct relationship to the NSDAP per se. Instead they'd be folks who reinvigorate fascism. They look back at the world prior to collapse and look for explanations. Especially if the country in question is America, they'd blame weak leadership and miscegenation for the colllapse of what was once the world's sole superpower. They'd seek to revive it through strong leadership (maybe it would include deifying the Founding Fathers even more than they already are in modern day America) and policies of racial purity (seeking to further legitimize themselves as "true Americans" by pointing to America's migration laws prior to the 1960s).
They wouldn't just be space Nazi's, but an all-American, homegrown variant of national socialism.
If you want some writing inspiration, just rip off Mussolini. Less likely to get immediately recognized as ripping off Hitler, while still being that special kind of fascist crazy.
Joshua Bennett
The thing to also do is keep it so the science is kinda bogus and when it boils down its mostly cronyism
Jack Morris
Post apoc nazis would probably not be actual national socialists, but rather edgelords who found some hollywood movies. Consider how IRL natsocs =/= hollywood natsocs, you should get plenty of ideas.
Luke Bennett
This is hilarious, thank you for sharing user.
If I removed the enmity they had for nonwhites they wouldn't be nazis on anything but a superficial and aesthetic level, and that's not something I want. Besides that, I genuinely don't believe they'd stop hating Jews and minorities just because mutants and magic are a thing all of a sudden.
Really? Funny stuff, that. Wasn't there some kind of attempt to relocate them to Madagascar, or is that a /pol/ meme?
Interesting dichotomy, but I doubt the luddites would try to destroy the techno-nazi's work toward their mutual goals, even if they disagree on the role and application of technology. Most neo-nazis aren't retarded, they just have retarded viewpoints. It really is kind of interesting how ethnic purist movements tend to thrive under multiculturalism.
I've always thought at its core, nazism is a primitivist mindset, combined with futuristic technology.
Very interesting, thank you for sharing.
I'll keep this in mind, though I already have a faction of die-hard American patriot cultists.
There are a few fascist-leaning factions beside the neo-nazis, but I get what you mean.
Advanced technology is the reason nazis were a threat, without it, or they're just another primitive tribe.
I get that, but part of the faction's backstory is that they've been religiously adhering to national socialist doctrine for centuries.
Elijah Hernandez
I’m just thinking outside if America (which I guess is where you are setting it anyway) any minorities that survive would be too insignificant to care about. I’m not sure if the Jewish population in America is large enough or concentrated enough to survive an apocalyptic scenario. And my point is, like the enclave, you keep every important part of the Nazi, the cool looks, the militarism, expansionism, the eugenicist stuff if you just go for prejudice against mutants. You just mute the racism angle a little.
Also the fascists show themselves in the foot in regards to tech. The Germans disregarded Jewish science as impure abs politically motivated, which was most of the science behind the A-Bomb. The Japanese were even worse, they’d invent their own inferior designs before adopting western designs. It got the stuff like the Zero Fighter, which had the best speed but sacrificed durability leaving it to be decimated by American planes. Additionally- people will only bother to blame minorities for all their problems if there are minorities around to blame. I believe 1930’s Germany had the largest population of European Jews.
Tell me more about these Americana cultists. I like the idea of something like Columbia but minus the Proto-Fascism and theocracy.
>The Japanese were even worse, they’d invent their own inferior designs before adopting western designs
This is largely false though, many of the Japanese designs, especially for things like engines and firearms, were derived from licensed productions of western entities. Take the guns on the zero for instance. The 20mm Type 99 Cannon was derived from a swedish Oerlikon design, while the 7.7mm guns were derived from a vickers machine gun. If you really want to see the western influence, look at the designs of Kawasaki during the period. For about a decade, their lead designer for aircraft was a german by the Name of Richard Vogt. Vogt's designs were so influential that one of the aircraft influenced by him, the Ki-61, was originally believed to be a plane of outright Italian or German Origin when first encountered. Some of their more experimental designs, like the Kikka and the J8M were also German derived.
I imagine their naval designs were far more original, given the fact that they had the world's first "built from the keel up" aircraft in the Houshou and the world's first amphibious assault ship, but even here there is still western influence. Many of their own native designs were by no means inferior, just ask Americans who suffered from their long lance.
>I believe 1930’s Germany had the largest population of European Jews.
>"The majority of Jews in prewar Europe resided in eastern Europe. The largest Jewish communities in this area were in Poland, with about 3,000,000 Jews (9.5%); "
If you want to go on about vapid talking points from basic high school history, at least do a little bit of work please.
Connor Morris
Well anything sounds dumb when you simplify it and throw in some negative adjectives like that.
Carter Brown
Okay. No need to be rude.
Nicholas Bennett
>I hate Nazis You don't have to apologize for your opinion on a videogame plot, you whimpering little bitch.
Aaron Rodriguez
Okay. That’s a bit hostile. Given this is Veeky Forums I think I can be forgiven for providing a disclaimer I’m not a white supremacist when discussing Fascists.
