Character is a literal nobody thrust into a huge position of power

Stannis Baratheon is the One True King of Westeros

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The westerling mine is empty, they don't even bring half the men the freys did and though the westerlings are an old house and the freys are upstarts, the freys have much better marriages in recent times. Roslin's mother was a Rosby, an old and rich house. Jeyne's mother was from a house founded in the last 50 years, her maternal grandfather is a merchant upjumped to a petty noble. Her maternal grandmother was maggy the frog, an essosi witch.

Jeyne's marriage options never would've gotten her a great lord like Robb, it's really just a weird quirk of chance, love potions and scheming, that they ever were married.
Jeyne Poole cannot continue going on as Arya for very long, I think in the theon sample chapter, stannis tells justin massey to escort "Arya" to the wall and to Jon. Jon's going to know instantly that Jeyne isn't his sister.
How? Why?
Jeyne and Jon have 0 chance of meeting, user?

>but it works
That's where you're wrong kiddo

I just learned that GRRM has confirmed that Hizdahr dindu nuffin, Shavepate poisoned the locusts, and Dany's peace with the Harpy was real.

>sigil is a screaming man with no skin
>House words are a boast about how good his family is at flaying people
>Talks and looks like a vampire
>Constantly says creepy things
>Constantly does creepy things
>His castle is a place actually called "the Dreadfort"

Why does anyone trust this man?

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>Evil
fuck off D&D

who the fuck is jeyne? Is this some bookfag cancer? as if a book only character is important in any way.

Huh
This is some lazy ass bait
Take my (you) kid, go learn how to bait people better

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plus he was literally known to just disappear off for periods of time where he went around murdering and raping

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Stannis and Renly are a subversion of the Good king x Evil king archetype.

Stannis is dark and gloomy and unpleasant, but actually has the kingdom's interest at heart

Renly is a shiny, charismatic, beloved good guy, but is actually just a selfish spoiled prick.

>love potions and scheming
Jeyne is pure

kys

Reminder Robb literally gave him 10,000 men because he was afraid of him.

Nobody trusts him, they are just scared to death by him and would rather stay on his good side.

>Send him far away, he feels slighted and now you can't keep an eye on him. The Roose gets loose
>Keep him close, he feels you don't trust him and will still scheme behind your back. The Roose gets loose

There really was no winning with that guy.

Kill him for all that rape and murder
Sets a precedent that nobody is against the law and that even the oldest hpuses in the north can fall
If rape and murder of peasents isn't a good enough reason frame him for the murder of a problem then execute him

He wasn't any more openly destructive than any of Robb's other Bannermen. And no one knows the real circumstances behind Ramsay's birth. Sure he's creepy and weird but you can't just execute him that.

Basically it seems the best bet for keeping Roose on your side is winning, but even that doesn't seem like a sure thing.

It happens IRL more than you think.

I love that trope. It usually works out well, especially when the character has to work for the respect of everyone around them and put up with asshole nobles,

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>It usually works out well

Not in OP's example it sure didn't

Thing is, Ike wasn't a nobody. Sure, he wasn't a Lord like most of his counterparts in the series, but he was basically the heir apparent to a renown band of mercenaries and the son of one of the greatest swordsmen in the world.

He was one of if not the most powerful banners sworn to Stark. You can't really tell him to fuck off without serious consequences.

Eh, other than having to deal with the emotional trauma of having her husband and brother murdered by her mother and being associated with one of the most notorious traitors on the continent and the fact that she's now an unmarried non-virgin in a society where virginity is basically the only valuable aspect of an unmarried noblewoman I think she should be alright.

It's life experience!

I miss Bobbyposting.

>Co, on occasion, has rare ship threads
>This blows literally every one I've seen out of the water, and user isn't even trying

>You can't really tell him to fuck off without serious consequences.

You can have him around without serious consequences either, as Robb learned the hard way. This is why I love Roose as a character. He was so transparently a potential problem but Robb was forced to work with him anyway. It's great.

You're grossly overstating the virginity thing. Margaery Tyrell was married to and deflowered by someone actually trying to userp Joffrey, yet she wound up being selected to marry him later.

Midge bullshitted about how her marriage with Renly was never consumated and because her family is powerful and respected-ish people went along with it.

No one can remotely deny that Jeyne fucked Robb - his whole reason for marrying her and pissing off one of his biggest allies was that he deflowered her - and her family has not only lost nearly all its influence in recent years but now their name is dirt as well for their participation in the Red Wedding.

>her family has not only lost nearly all its influence in recent years but now their name is dirt as well for their participation in the Red Wedding.

Go back and read the books. The Westerlings made off like bandits. They got a royal pardon and Jeyne's uncle was named lord of Castamere.

Jeyne is, her mother isn't. There's a reason Grey Wind hated Spicers

>Jeyne's uncle was named lord of Castamere

That's generally considered to be a huge middle finger to the Spicers on Tywin's part, similar to the way he fucked over the Freys by giving them Riverrun but then turning around and making Baelish and not one of the Freys Lord Paramount of the Riverlands. Castamere is a ruin associated with treachery of the highest order; by giving it to the Spicers he's "rewarding" them while actually telling the whole world he considers them to be traitorous dirt (and serving a very clear warning not to ever cross him again).

Tywin clearly has no respect for that family as evidenced by the fact that the bride he offers to marry to Sybell's son is a bastard. Furthermore, we can assume that in the same way the Freys are spit on behind their backs for their part in the Red Wedding, the Westerling/Spicer family name is in tatters as well. A pardon and some token rewards from the Iron Throne or no their station has only fallen below where it was before the war.

Jeyne is probably the nicest most normal girl in the books

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>tfw all the taxposters and fatposters are gone
Sure is comfy here.

I don't think it has so much to do with the excitement over how Farmer Bob deals with being governor or general or how Wetnurse Mary handles becoming royal advisor or queen and more to do with the general dream of "I could also become the king one day, it totally could happen."

Akshully, didn't magic doggo also hate Jeyne? Can't quite remember, honestly, but if he did she might've been in on the plan

It's possible he just sensed trouble around her. Personally, I like the idea her love was sincere. It adds a delicious tragedy to her character.

Magic Doggo hated Rolph Spicer, Jeyne's Uncle.
Cat specifically asks robb to send him away or keep him away from robb, because cat trusts magic dog to protect robb.

Of course, magic dog is just blood raven warging grey wind to further push the war and cause more chaos. Causing distrust in robb's ranks would cause the westerlings to not like him, just how blood raven led grey wind past the golden tooth, letting robb reach the crag and eventually meet jeyne, breaking his frey alliance.

the dog didn't seem to dislike jeyne, but jeyne is rightfully afraid of a fucking dire wolf like any nice girl would be.

Where the fuck are you getting Grey Wind being warged by Bloodraven when there was a perfectly good warg Robb there already.

My unassuming wizard actually became a drowish baron for saving a drow princess and being the only female member in the party.

She has trouble saying two sentences straight, but our bard is happy to help. The other characters are happy to be her "vassals", due to her being a massive pushover anyway.

Robb isn't a very good warg and only has accidental control over greywind, using him for protection like the greatjon drawing his sword on Robb.

Bloodraven is the most special snowflake warg in the world and specifically is watching Bran, he wants Bran. Bran comes to him because winterfell is lost, but if not for the war down south Bran would probably go to Robb, therefore Bloodraven pushes Robb into war and causes him to break frey alliances, killing off Robb.

By removing all of Bran's family, bloodraven secures bran as his pupil.

Also greywind somehow finds a secret passage through the westerlands that robb's army can sneak by. The wolves are smart sure, smelling out lies and killing people who would harm their masters is one thing, but knowing a passage that can sneak an entire army into hostile territory is another.

Did you miss the part where people are worried about Robb because he spends almost all of his time staring into space while Grey Wind is out.
Like the plan doesn't even make any sense, if he makes Robb head over there he can't make sure Robb gets injured or "healed" by Jeyne and then he also has to make sure that Robb learns about Bran and Rickon's death at the same time so that Robb would fuck the girl and then marry her.
The entire plan is stupider than anything Victarion could come up with.

>he can't make sure Robb gets injured
Robb is shot by an arrow, so bloodraven obviously warged the arrow and made it find his mark on robb.
>he also has to make sure that Robb learns about Bran and Rickon's death at the same time so that Robb would fuck the girl and then marry her.
This one is the easiest thing in the world, bloodraven wargs ravens, it's his name. Ravens carry messages. He can make the bran and rickon message take as long or as little as he needs to make it arrive at the perfect time.

>bloodraven obviously warged the arrow
I have no reaction image for this

It's absolute kino irl too

>3rd youngest son of a petty king
>Sickly and weak
>his entire kingdom is a shitty swamp while the rest of England is under the rule of the vikings
>brothers all died fighting vikings
>reforms the English army
>Smashes the vikings so hard they convert because the Christian God seemed stronger than their own
>Crowned 1st king of the English
>Only king of the UK/England to be called "The Great"

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Doesn't always work out that well

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Tragedy is still kino

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I suppose

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>bloodraven obviously warged the arrow

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>so bloodraven obviously warged the arrow

Did he also warg Roose?

And what's that gotta to do with Bashar Assad?

He was also a last moment replacement not fit for duty, like Nicholas

Mayhaps

You're full of shit, but Bloodraven can magic across the Wall, at least in dreams. How? Bran and Robb can't do shit across the Wall's antimagic, even to the point that the huge gap of Ghost's presence makes Jon think he's died when he climbs the wall.

Jon is a baby-tier warg, bloodraven is incredibly powerful and directly hooked up to the weirwood net, his powers travel through the weirwoods, there are weirwoods throughout the north so his power can pass the wall.

Jon relies on his weak mind to warg ghost, the wall blocks the weak magics.

Because while Ned was alive he was just a sullen lord with a peaceful land and a quiet people.

their both selfish shits just like their brother

renly being borderline openly gay really helped sell the virgin thing. i mean id be a little surprised if she was genuinely a virgin, but only a little.

>Robert wins the war
>Rather than crown himself he calls a great council to elect the new king and implements a system for a great council on the death of every king

would it save westeroes?

No, it would probably doom it. Every time, there'll be a fag like Renly who thinks that he's too much of a hot shit for the Council to elect someone else.

All the ways this could go wrong
>everyone assassinating the king for a chance to become the new king
>nobody recognizies the new king because he isn't blood related to the old king
>the council elects a weak king so they can puppet him
>all the nobles start wanting greater autonomy
congratulations, you ruined westeros for ever
In all honesty the iron throne is cancer
All of the seven kingdoms should be independent

But then they would be killing each other all the time again.

As opposed to a shadow of a kingdom in constant civil war?
It would probably be a bit more peaceful than the iron throne riling everything
The most dangerous would be the ironborn but aegon should have genocided them desu

>>Only king of the UK/England to be called "The Great"
You forgot a certain viking king

Agreed. Ironbabbies have been utterly worthless throughout their entire history.

Virginity thing is irrelevant largely when goal of marriage is an alliance.
I mean Tywin was planning on having Cersei remarry for more alliances.

Except during the war with Ninepenny kings.