>Allegence-class Basically an ISD and a half, with a crappy to non-existent squadron rating, just a burly fucking brawler ship that could actually stand alone as the only capital on a list >Recrusant As a rebel ship, I'd actually take a page from the ARC and make it a few unique specialists with no generic, like maybe one mad lad bow arc only shitblaster, a turboflak giant gunship, a cheap highly durable low-cost ship, and a balanced, cheap, low command 'old style' one >Skipray blastboat squadron Decent anti-capital firepower, not so good against other fighters, but durable. Cards for both factions >Bulk Cruisers Comes in cheap crappy decent firepower and cheap durable carrier variants, maybe a rebel privateer title that lets it do weird tricks
Camden Price
The War of Imperial Aggression
Cameron Powell
I'll wait until CIS gets a release, thank you very much. The rebel models are boring and everybody and their dog is going to play empire anyway. Once I get to spam droidekas I'll be fine.
Andrew Gonzalez
>ISD and a half Scale up an ISD by 50% and you get into the territory where smaller ships get one-shot without any opportunity to actually hit back. We're already kinda dangerously close to that line with the Kuat/Cymoon refits.
Nicholas Fisher
More wounds, possibly have climbing or jumping abilities. Dewbacks might have damage mitigation for their thick hides, stuff like that.
Samuel Morris
I'm kind of wondering if a lot of the unique Droid Variants seen in Galactic Battlegrounds would be included.
Christopher Morris
Anyone have that picture of Rule 63 Krennic/Tarkin/Thrawn/Hux?
Dylan Wood
How might one handle the tone and feel of campaign set during the fall of the Infinite Empire? Should it be an apocalyptic time due to the Rakata plague, the subsequent ruin of Force-fueled Rakata tech and infrastructure, and the mass deaths of the then-dominant galactic species? An optimistic but uncertain period of liberation and nationalism for formerly enslaved planets? A Star Trek-style age of exploration for the newly hyperdrive-equipped Corellians and Duros?
Andrew Wright
I wouldn't bet on it.
Ryder Davis
So how would they scale this down if it were to ever make it into Legion?
They mention this thing can destroy dozens of AT-TEs on it's own.
>They mention this thing can destroy dozens of AT-TEs on it's own. That's retarded. Who wrote such a thing? Matt Ward?
Gavin White
Lots of long-ranged firepower but held back by a massive price tag that leaves very little room in the rest of your list for anything beyond the bare basics. Maybe make it slow, give its guns a minimum range so it's still vulnerable to being swarmed up close, and make it really weak to ion weapons. Then introduce jetpack infantry with ion grenades and power fists in the next wave.
Aaron Jenkins
Best guess? Video game writers. Always need some bullshit stuff to beat up.
Also probably comics. Shit like Dark Empire leads to a lot of weird ass giant ships and vehicles and stuff.
Adam Brown
>Also probably comics. Shit like Dark Empire leads to a lot of weird ass giant ships and vehicles and stuff. I could buy it if it was giant. Wook says it's shorter than an AT-ST.
Eli Foster
Secutor class, comes in Battlecruiser and Fleet Carrier models. Roughly comparable to an ISD in firepower, but more squadron support. Tankier because of higher hull (and it's size is like 30% larger ihs) but maneuverable as a dry noodle.
Levi Brooks
> In the later stages of the Clone Wars, Republic forces launched an attack on Colla IV, where a single annihilator droid took out three of the four platoons of clone troopers that had been advancing on the shielded factory. Advanced Recon Commando Stec was one of the survivors. Knowing more Republic forces would arrive, a CIS task force was arranged by the Colicoids to ship the annihilators to the front lines of the war. Annihilator droids also participated at the Battle of Formos and the Battle of Palahni, where they scored victories for the Confederacy.
> A single annihilator could decimate a dozen AT-TEs and make them nothing more than smoking husks. Not surprisingly, these droids struck fear into their enemies' hearts, and turned the tide in the battles at Palanhi and Formos to score Separatist victories.
Well keep in mind this is a cousin of the Droideka and has many of their qualities.
However, I don't think the a field commander would simply send the Scorponek into a dozen AT-TEs. It probably destroyed them through ambush.
The annihilator droid never showed up in vidya or comics. They were first mentioned in the New Essential Guide to Droids then made subsequent appearances in art books and reference materials. According to the Wook, it was also believed in-universe that they were so expensive that less than 100 were made.
Benjamin Hernandez
>tfw no space to learn to paint minis because college dorm >tfw no friends who will want to play legion and make fun your dudes stories
Life is suffering
Dylan Stewart
So let's start with what's wrong with this, and how we can make it good.
Those Avengers really cost too much. You don't need the Mk2 engines, and you don't need to pay 2 points for PS 3. The same applies for the Obsidian. Then, why does the Obsidian have a Hull Upgrade over Howlrunner?
So let's start over. You clearly want to fly a swarm of TIE Fighters, do you want there to be Interceptors in there?
Most TIE Swarms rely on Howlrunner and then as many copies of Crack Shot as you can fit, maybe with an Ace. What exactly do you want to put in there as a must-have for your build? Any specific ships?
Charles Davis
Actually, the reference books say those were around during the time of Dark Empire, defending the Emperor's Citadel on Byss.
Nathan Lee
So much variety with all those mono-pose figures.
Isaac Mitchell
>Stormtroopers were unfairly criticized
FFG confirmed for proper Imperial Loyalists
Mason Turner
I'm waiting to get into legion for some wa to give Stormtroopers Black dice. Oddly, Stormtroopers are best in melee combat, punching the shit out of rebels, or hanging back and relying on their better heavy weapons.
I'm really surprised at the "Stormtroopers are drastically better at punching than shooting" rules thing.
Dominic Butler
Well to be fair, it likely doesn't have as high of a profile due to being a quad legged warmachine and the fact that it has no crew cabin due to being a droid.
I think the Bio-Cannon was shorter than an AT-ST, but was still quite powerful due to being artillery.
The Dwarf Spider could also one shot an AT-TE on it's own, despite being significantly smaller.
>I'm waiting to get into legion for some wa to give Stormtroopers Black dice. just aim, my dude
white dice with a surge and 3 rerolls is better than black dice
Jace Peterson
>Implying people will actually play using the official miniatures >Implying Legion won't be played using Lego minifigs We've all been looking for an excuse to play with an entire bucket of Lego stormtroopers. Legion is that excuse.
>want to get Legion on Thurs but 17 inches of snow I live in a place where Fedex starts screeching when we breach 3 inches fuck me and fuck you guys for having fun in my inevitable absence.
David Gutierrez
The issue is that height matters in the game. So better build some tall bases
Dominic Ross
Height only matters for line of sight, in casual games you could hand-wave it somehow. Cover is all determined from base to base.
Juan Anderson
it looks about like the average space marine batch, except white.
Jordan Wilson
The thing is that more recent warhammer kits are good at letting you mix up the posture/pose of your dudes.
Jose Sanders
They're also half the price of the competition.
It'll look better - especially the rebels - in eight months, when you've got 4 different types of dudes to throw on the table rather than 4 copies of the same 1 unit.
Christian Baker
not vs black with aim, if I remember the math that I ran initially.
I believe it was 5 white with 3 rerolls and a surge vs 5 black with 2 rerolls, and the Black is better. Also, you don't always get to Aim.
If they give us 2/2 health/morale black dice gun, red armor, surge on offense and defense Deathtroopers, I'm super in though.
Zachary Parker
My problem mainly concerns the officers. I mean there are only so many ways a soldier would hold his blaster in combat so I'm okay with the grunts being similar, but every officer is the same fucking pose and it's lazy as fuck.
Liam Brown
replied to the wrong post.
Eli Carter
Just give it some time, conversions will happen. It's not that difficult to start cutting things apart and rearranging them as you please with plastic, especially because this isn't ABS plastic. It's a new game though, so everyone is just getting their miniatures together and starting to play. Nobody wants to accidentally fudge an arm or a leg on their brand new toy.
Carter Watson
5 black with 2 rerolls is slightly better than 5 white with 3 rerolls, but keep in mind the Stormtroopers have better armor.
5 white with a surge, 3 rerolls, *and red armor*, beats 5 black, 2 rerolls, and white armor with a surge - in terms of wounds actually dealt. If both sides are aiming, the Stormtroopers win the firefight, mostly because their keyword increases damage put on target, while the Rebel keyword only helps them against multiple attacking units. (And you're not looking to maximize damage if you're focusing fire like that anyways, because being suppressed increases cover - every attack after the first has worse returns.)
And the Rebels get absolutely rolled in melee with Stormtroopers, which is nice.
I am definitely on board with an Allegence. Balance it by making it like 160 points with a squadron of 1 and Engineering 3. Then make its front arc mean.
Julian Flores
I wouldn't mind it so much if in-universe they called it The Empire Strikes Back.
Robert Stewart
Stormtroopers are better than Rebels at shooting, they just have slightly shittier guns because the Empire has to stamp out so many of them.
Wyatt Martinez
>God save us from seeing a Russian revolt, senseless and merciless. Those who plot impossible upheavals among us, are either young and do not know our people, or are hard-hearted men who do not care a straw either about their own lives or those of others.
How would a Russian Revolt inspired Rebel cell compare to the Partisans in tactics and beliefs?
Kayden Flores
>Then introduce jetpack infantry with ion grenades and power fists in the next wave.
Like the ones they had in TCW?
Also, would jet pack infantry be vulnerable to AA weapons given they'd fly?
On the topic of piecing together the canon of your choice from the various levels of EU canon, here's a shitty, non-pixel perfect because I can't draw to save my life approximation of the post-GCW political map my players play in. btw, the glowy bits are far from the only governments of the Republic side of the map that aren't members of the Republic. Everything not colored over or glowing isn't the Republic, just uncontested by the Empire. GCW timeline to follow in the next post for length reasons.
I note that decimating a dozen AT-TEs means killing one.
Colton Scott
Timeline: >2 BBY-10ABY >everything goes more or less as in the old EU, but Palpatine doesn't have any clone bodies to put his soul in so he fucking dies over Endor >10 ABY >with the Republic's forces worn down by Thrawn and stretched thin fighting numerous warlords, the Empire and many of the main warlords unite in an offensive to retake the Core >Republic's forced on the defensive, Senate and bureaucracy withdraws to Denon >as in the Dark Empire comics, a civil war breaks out over who becomes the Emperor now >the claimants who manage to rally forces to them: Sarcev Quest, Ars Dangor, Ardus Kaine, Kosh Teradoc, Blitzer Harsk, Crueya Vandron, Gaen Drommel >the fighting on Coruscant immediately becomes Super Ultra Omega Stalingrad levels of fucked, and the would-be Emperors start losing their shit >Carnor Jax, who had up to this point been backing Quest, sees the growing insanity on all sides' leadership and nopes to Palpatine's "backup capital" Byss to wait this mess out >as more and more forces are withdrawn from the front to assist in their commanders' infighting, the Republic starts regaining ground >eventually, one claimant-it's unknown which-finds a cache of Dark Side tech weapons Palpaine was saving for a rainy day; more such caches are found by his rivals >eventually, someone uses something that turns Coruscant and everyone/thing on it into dust >at this point, Pellaeon and Jax are the only contestants for leadership left >Jax, who has been drawing up his own plans, concedes to Pellaeon >Pellaeon takes title of Regent and starts negotiating an armistice with the Republic >eventually, the Armistice of Corellia is signed, establishing the current borders, the construction of an artificial hyperlane stretching from the Brentaal system to the edge of the Deep Core, the prohibition of border expansion or deployment of military force by either side into the territories demarcated as neutral, and a ban on further development and construction of WMDs
Brayden Ross
Thoughts? Criticisms? Interest in hearing more about the timeline this is part of?
Noah Murphy
Nah, with Rey having taken the texts before leaving grump skywalker to his milk, she'll have managed enough teaching that they can call it the Return of the Jedi.
Wyatt Miller
>the construction of an artificial hyperlane I don't think that's how hyperspace works.
I'm just waiting for a "Get a better gun" upgrade for Stormtroopers. It can't be that hard for the Empire to procure some non-e11 guns for the Stormtroopers.
What a bout the Holdout Blaster pistols that the Bike dudes have? That shit has 2 black- Issue those en-masse to stormtroopers, and watch them fuck over the Rebellion overnight. You thought Fleet Troopers were good? What if they had real armor and were 2x as accurate!
Samuel Kelly
so, /swg/, I tried Legion today at the LGS and didn't feel like a game I want to get into. Would you put the money I had set aside for it into a Rebel fleet for armada? All the ships. Multiple useful smalls (CR90s, flotillas, squadrons...)
Jaxson Hall
Armada is my one true love, and a fleet runs you about as much an a Legion army does (~$200). Don't buy in unless you have a local group to play with, though.
That is laughably untrue. The most recent 40k kits have been characterised by their lack of possbility. There's a reason a google image search of primaris or death guard will net you so many identical looking poses.
Nolan Butler
I do, I already play Empire. I was thinking about expanding to Rebels. The local group moves around the country for tournaments, as well as other cities' groups, so the game is very active, although you can only play different people at the bigger events instead of the local community
Lincoln Ward
Most of them will be pretty standard, but I decided I'd paint one unit of stormtroopers as Coruscant Guard (crimson armor). I had thought of doing one of my rebel trooper units in an urban camo scheme I saw, so when I realized that the stormtrooper scheme I wanted was Coruscnt-based, it fit perfectly.
Bentley Cook
Half of GW's business model is selling 1.5 squads worth of poses per box (and charging you for the extra 50% of plastic that you're unable to use.)
Oh, then you know what you're getting into.
Give it a week and see if you can get somebody at the FLGS to demo you Legion with the full game - objectives, deployment cards, etc. Demos are generally not super addicting - remember core-set-only Armada? It was... fine, I guess? But then 400 point wave 2 games were amazing.
Jeremiah Morales
Doesn't mean it has to for the purposes of the table top.
Josiah Hernandez
You are gonna name each of your Stormtroopers individually on the underside of their bases, and keep track of their exploits and injuries over time, right anons?
It's called the DLT-19 and it is a fucking marvel, god. Z-6 is a fuckton of dice but it's swingy as hell. DLT stormies worth their points.
Jack King
>rebel trooper units in an urban camo scheme Somehow, the only thing I can envision when I read "urban Rebel troopers" is a bunch of Rebs dressed like gopniks wearing body armor over their tracksuits.
Okay, I'll wait, although it felt like it's going to be a super watered down game instead of the deep, long planning game we have with Armada
Adrian Howard
Definitely not the super tank. Blizzard's lawyers would have a field day with that one.
Daniel Young
Watered down isn't really the phrase you're looking for, but you're correct - Armada is a game entirely about long strategy, and Legion isn't trying to be that in any way. Armada's the best tabletop at what it does, period.
Cooper Bennett
Those I fully admit I stole from Sorastro's rebel trooper painting video (link below). Basically blue and gray instead of green and brown.
Saber for sure. I bet the 2-M or FFG's OC the SC2-M will be announced before the year is over. When they get around to Republic I would not be shocked at the GAR Saber tank.
I'd want CIS snail droids though. My dream is to recreate all my favorite BF2 shit.
Including invisible Bothans with flamethrowers
Hudson Cooper
It's not really a Reaver though.
Evan Williams
I'm not familiar with the one on the left off the top of my had, but if I remember my (2005) SWBFII correctly (and quick google says I do), then it's actually a pretty decent size and would scale well into the game. If, and I mean IF, they ever expand outside of the Imperials and Rebels and add other armies, I could see that being the heavy unit for Clones (along with your typical clone troopers for trooper units, and either more AT-RT's or something like a BARC speeder for their support units. I'd cross my fingers for an Obi-wan general or the like).
Yeah, I've played a bit of X-Wing, Armada, and Legion, and they all feel like different games. I think they're looking at a different design space/direction for each.
Bentley Scott
Well, it's how it felt to me. I'll have a more formed opinion once we have more kits for the game, but it felt as if they made it easy and shallow on purpose
William Wilson
I think they meant that decimating means killing 1 out of 10, and decimating 12 AT-TE's means killing one. Maybe 2 if you're being super generous.
Jose Cox
I know that- That's why i'm wanting better guns.
an I pretend to be a 40k devastator squad and takes a group of 4 DLT-19's? Hang out downrange spamming automatic laser fire at every motherfucker dumb enough to be in the open?
Nicholas Baker
Actually, you can't do that. There can't be a group of 4 DLT-19's. The DLT-19 is a type of trooper upgrade, and you can only add one to each squadron. Basically, you can have 4 or 5 regular troopers and then a DLT trooper with them. If you want 4 on the board, you'd vave to put one in each of 4 different trooper units.
As it stands, in a fight between one stormtrooper squadron and one rebel trooper squadron, imperial troopers have a slight edge number-wise (which is why they cost more points). So in that sense they already have "better" dice.
You can give them an upgrade with grenades if you really want to, although that costs 5 points and only have a range of 1.
Kayden Gray
We're talking what they name the conflict. Given how it's gone so far it seems The Empire Strikes/Struck Back makes more sense than Return of the Jedi insofar as jokey names go.
Caleb Carter
It may be possible there will be heavy weapon squads under Special Forces, but the base cost of 4 DLT guys in a group would be very high.
Elijah Gray
It's possible they'll do all kinds of things but that doesn't mean it's likely. As the game stands, you can't do that. More importantly, your suggestion doesn't fix the problem is having with it because that wouldn't be a trooper unit, and you're required to have at least three trooper units in your army. At the moment that means Stormtroopers. Snowtroopers get released... I think next month, but they're also white dice on ranged.
Josiah Myers
I know I can't do that, it's a joke. I may get into it when they announce some sort of good-shooting infantry unit for Empire, which will likely be the next wave announced? Scout or Deathtroopers is my bet. They promised a wave around every month AFAIK.
Nolan Gonzalez
So, the past month or so I've been rewatching the Disney movies to see if my feelings on them would change.
When I initially saw Rogue One in theaters, I despised it. It just felt so boring, largely because the characters appeared to be blank slates. Watched it a second time, enjoyed it a lot more. Maybe the characters felt more complete because I already kinda knew them from the first time, but I at least had more fun this time around. Also, U-Wings are bae.
When I first saw TFA, I thought it was enjoyable. Unoriginal, but fun. When I rewatched it, my feelings were about the same. I'm still not a fan of "Remember ANH?" everywhere, but it's entertaining.
With TLJ, I thought it was "just fine" when I saw it in theaters. Upon rewatching it... my feelings aren't too different, but I would definitely say there's a downturn on perspective. I wouldn't say I hate it, but I would say I don't care for it. I'm not going to list all the things I don't appreciate about it, but I will say two things,
>Every time they said something about the "spark of hope/fire" metaphor, I wanted to kill myself.
>Rose is possibly the biggest moron in all of the Star Wars movies, arguably even bigger than Jar Jar. But at least Jar Jar was an outcast from his society for being an idiot. His incompetence is actually acknowledged.
