How would he fare in 40K? Would he look kindly upon the humanity he finds in that era and the trials they face?

He'll change his views by 40k times.

>Gilgamesh
>"Changing views"
>Ever
Utterly impossible. Gil's arrogance is such that not even straight-up divine intervention can affect it whatsoever. In fact, I'm fairly certain that his arrogance and belief in humanity's worth as individuals is so deeply engraved into him, that it's a concept all its own.

His views can change naturally over time, as evidenced by his Caster incarnation who represents him later in life.

>I think his strongest attack only works on Earth. Something to do with Gaea's reality marble or something.
This is wrong. Ea can be used anywhere, and is "Anti-World" but not "Anti-Planet". He'd be able to nuke battlefields but not be a one man exterminatus, basically.
>He'd like 40K humans more because they actually go on and try to genocide all sorts of horrible monsters, which is cool and manly.
This is right. He likes humans who struggle to survive and become strong. He also saw humanity's future as being in the stars.

>Gil would probably Ea the entirety of the Imperium out of existence
He literally isn't able to.

>This is right. He likes humans who struggle to survive and become strong. He also saw humanity's future as being in the stars.
Gil confirmed Young Emperor of mankind?

You're kinda confusing a couple of things. The limited magic thing isn't his philosophy, it's a fact of the setting. By the rules of his setting, humans in 40k are practically animals and should be butchered en mass. He strongly believes in individual life and agency among a strong and exemplary population (under himself, of course. He is king of kings, after all), and that anyone who believes anything could supplant these things (such as filthy greater good types) are mongrels undeserving of life.

He would absolutely despise 40k because literally everyone in the setting is a slave.

>but isn't Gil's philosophy that there's only so much magic in the world, and the higher the population and the lesser the hardships the average person faces, the less magical everything is, which is why he tried to nearly genocide humanity?
He doesn't care about mages/magic - he just believes humans have become decadent and weak. He wanted to cull the chaff and let the strong survive.

40K is a bizarre place because there's trillions of mindless human drones going through the motions, but also countless heroes struggling to survive and keep the Imperium going.

Gilgamesh would look at the whole picture (as much as he can - a lot of it is far beyond him, as he was born of primitive human gods and an't comprehend the Warp), and see how the Imperium is kind of a rage against the dying of the light, and would approve.

His Caster and his 'normal' incarnations are two entirely different people for all intents and purposes. Literally even. You can have those two running around along with Child Gil and they wouldn't even consider themselves as sharing even half the same experiences as the other.

This is actually one of the main differences between all three versions of Gil as well, in that they quite literally cannot recognize themselves as becoming any of those other variations of themself whatsoever.

>He literally isn't able to.
Depends really. We using CCC here?

The Emperor would be far, far, far stronger than Gil.

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Ea would be an Exterminatus. He'd have to do it on every last planet. Without the Chaos Gods eating his soul. He'd be fucked 100 ways from sunset in 40k.

>The Emperor would be Gil.
ftfy

How does exterminatusing a planet result in Chaos eating your soul?

All the daemons that are freed from the planet of course.

Golden boi would get his boi pussy DESTROYED

Probably by Slaanesh

Since his entire philosophy is based on individual agency being important, I can't see him getting along in 40k. He also holds his own agency above all others, meaning he's unlikely to work well with anyone. In all likelihood, he'd get pissy, do a surprising amount of damage for one person with Ea and his starship, then get annihilated by one of the factions.
Who would then have Ea and the starship, which would be extremely valuable.

>"Anti-World" but not "Anti-Planet".
The fuck are you on? Ea is the concept of cutting, it is only limited buy Gil himself.

I think this man solved it

>Gil
>submitting to gods

Having Ea wouldn't mean anything, because Ea's very existence is defined in that it is possessed by Gilgamesh, only Gilgamesh, and cannot be used by anybody other than Gilgamesh.

The dude is so arrogant that he could spawn a god of pride on his own.

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Well, for one thing, Gilgamesh can sever the warp from the material realm entirely. With a single attack, Ea can make the warp go away FOREVER.

There is precedent for it. Ea was the weapon that the Sumerian creator god used to split the world in two, creating the divide between land and sky. That's right, this sword cuts horizons.

That kind of power is really dangerous, which is why even a fraction of it used as a weapon is usually enough to destroy anything Gil needs destroyed, up to and including a world. I'm pretty confident using it to cut away the warp and put it in its own corner forever is doable.

Doing so would also shatter the Imperium and force worlds to survive on their own, become strong or die, as well as remove the cackling chaos gods from the equation trying to take everything for themselves.

Then he waltzes into the Golden Throne and preaches to the Emperor about how he never gave permission for someone else to claim the title of god-king of the world, but he appreciates his ideas and his attempts if not his results. So he will grant the Emperor both his inevitable punishment and his final honor: a heroes death.

"World" and "planet" have different connotations in Fate. That's the entire reasoning behind Reality Marbles. Ea is strong, but it's no planetbuster.

Literally learn the Lore. Fate Gil is over rated as hell. His biggest fail is failing to stay awake.

More accurately: Gilgamesh's VERSION of Ea isn't that strong. The 'real' Ea is that strong and more, but as a heroic spirit Gil's version of Ea is really more of a reflection of the real deal than anything else. Still absurdly dangerous, but limited by being a noble phantasm.

>How would he fare?

Very, very well. He's immune to mundane damage due to being a Servant, meaning nothing except MAYBE psyker abilities can harm him if we're being generous, otherwise he's invincible since nothing in 40k has his universe's type of magic. He's extremely strong, fast, and powerful through his various weapons, and he's immune to mental corruption. If he actually gave a shit, he could really make a difference in the setting. Not a cosmic one, in all liklihood, since he simply isn't powerful enough to overturn the setting, but he could probably get away with founding his own Human faction or becoming a powerful man in the Imperium.

Ea is a more complicated issue, since exactly how it works is a bit confusing, but its at bare minimum a planet-buster and at its more complex it can literally tear apart anything it its field of view even concepts, meaning this user might be unto something. >How would he view humanity

On one hand, the overwhelming masses of Mankind suck in 40k, they're worse then modern humans in terms of how shitty and worthless they are due to overpopulation and simple shittiness and slavishness. On the other hand, the modern world was calm, peaceable, and rotting, the world of 40k is full of combat, heroism, and glory. The best men of the Imperium would have at least some things Gil could like.

All things considered the King of Heroes in 40k would probably stand at least a slight chance of changing the setting's status quo, but its more likely [due to personal reasons and power level questions] that he'd just cause a local shakeup.

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Honestly, yes? Gil very much has an Emperor of Mankind type personality. In fact, Gil's personality would explain the Emperors fuckups.

Something not mentioned so far is Gilgamesh's strength is that because he has all the original forms of all noble phantasms, his strength in-universe comes from being able to take down any historic heroic spirit by taking the weapon that beat them from the Gate of Babylon. That's why he was so powerful. He wasn't even very good with each individual weapon outside of Ea-- that was the weakness that was taken advantage of to beat them. He may have the original forms of every famous tool in history, but the future owners became experts in their use. gilgamesh only collected. All his strong points are probably irrelevant in a future setting with scifi technology totally unrelated to old school weaponry.

Hed be fine. The guy has a vault full of deus ex machina shit if anyone tries to stop him and thats without ea. He'd find humanity to be shit since individualism is practically dead along with too many people but would help them from going extinct due to actually giving a shit about it's continuation.

No. No no no. Gilgamesh would either kill himself out of despair even looking at the 40k universe, or immediately set off with intent to Enuma Elish as much of it as he can into stardust. His entire shtick is that the more humans exist, the less unique each one is, and so the less important and valuable, and that classical heroism is the true aspiration of all worthy creatures.

His philosophy is basically Individualism, and 40k is the antithesis of that.

Not true

1. He's immune to damage that isn't enfused with Mana, nonmagic weapons just don't hurt him or any Servant for that matter.

2. His Gate of Babylon is a concept-tool, it contains magical equivalents of all the works of human artifice, meaning any tech they have in 40k, Gil in 40k would have magical copies of. Anything spawned by a human brain is contained in the platonic fuckery that is GoB.

>He wasn't even very good with each individual weapon outside of Ea
He's shown to be proficient in close combat even without sword spamming since he decided to block all of sabers shit with his armored hands till they were about to give out but shirou thought the guy couldnt keep up with saber for that reason. That's until he starts whipping weapons out to duel her, ice scythe and other swords, until he finally got bored and showed off GoB and ea'd.

Pretty sure the Emperor of Mankind would annihilate Gil

In theory, it could be argued that Gilgamesh is only the king of EARTH, so Gate of babylon only contains everything from Earth. So he doesn't have, for example, Necrontyr or Eldar artifacts.

He would still be able to call up any of 40k's human archeotech, though. In pristine, perfectly working condition no less. Pre-scrapcode AI even.

Thats a hell of a trick.

So we smite spam him, easy.

>He wasn't even very good with each individual weapon outside of Ea-- that was the weakness that was taken advantage of to beat them.
He's at his best with two of them, actually: Ea and Enkidu. It would be rather hilarious to see him using Enkidu on daemons.

Nah. The Emperor has been shown time and time again to not actually be that hot shit on the material plane. His strengths are that he is a huge fucking deal in the warp. For example, he lost the sword fight against Horus until he completely obliterated Hours's soul. Horus's BODY, however, was not similarly obliterated.

Gilgamesh doesn't have anything to do with the warp. Nasuverse magic doesn't work that way. The Emperor still has a lot he can do, but Gil is not a valid target for all of his greatest tricks. Meanwhile, Emperor is at the mercy of all of Gil's available powers.

Sure. Whatever you say, guy. :^)

Is Emps divine enough for Enkidu's ability to effect?

Why did you post a pic of the emperor?

Except the Emperor can kill Gilgamesh with a thought.

Between his being worshipped and the fact that he is older than Gilgamesh, possibly.

Immune to physical damage.
Its specifically HUMAN devices he has. So anything made by humans he possesses magical copies of. So yeah 'hell of a trick' is putting it mildly.
The biggest problem is that the Emperor doesn't have a way to actually injure Gilgamesh. If he tries to attack him with weapons, they simply fail because they have no Mana. Non-magic weapons don't work on Servants, no matter how overpowered the boom they make. If he tries to control his mind, he gets cockblocked by the ego that literally told the incarnation of all sin and negativity to fuck off. Which by the way is a story I love.

>Anyone who falls into the Grail's mud gets faced with all of Mankind's sins and failings and asked the question "Who will bear all the evils of the world? Who will permit them?"
>The idea being of course that no one can do so, so they inevitably become corrupted and become evil versions of themselves
>Gilgamesh instead goes full Jesus and says "The King will allow it. The King will permit it." and basically pisses Blue and Orange morality so hard he comes out the other side either unaffected or barely pissy depending on who you ask.

How badly does Emps not want to be divine?

You're not wrong. Gilgamesh has not been shown to resist anything near as powerful as the Emperor, so the Emperor could just hammer him telepathically right as the fight begins and that's pretty much that. Gilgamesh can try to resist but unless he immediately whips out some sort of Noble Phantasm that protects his soul from telepathic intrusion or provides some active anti-magic defense, Gilgamesh is dead.

Even then, it would be a stop-gap measure to buy time to try something else, because it's very likely that the Emperor would very shortly burn right through any such defense. The Emperor of Mankind is no joke.

>If he tries to control his mind, he gets cockblocked by the ego that literally told the incarnation of all sin and negativity to fuck off

Nice try, but no.

There is actual damn evidence of his mental fortitude being a caliber higher than anything the Emperor has faced, you're blowing smoke.

No one seems to have pointed out that just looking at the Emperor can burn psykers eyes out, and thats just a passive thing with the Emperor sitting almost dead on His throne.
And how would Gilgamesh even find the Emperor? He managed to stand in the middle of a room with one of the greatest psykers in the galaxy, one of His sons and all the leaders of the Assassin temples without being discovered until He made his presence known.

>Nice try, but no.
not that user but even as a 40k fag, do not underestimate Gilgamesh' ego. He's will to power incarnate. Emps could do a lot to him, but not control him.

...He was doing that in a room that was covered in layers upon layers upon layers of the most arcane and advanced anti-psychic and anti-cloaking technology available to the Imperium of Man during the Great Crusade era. What the Emperor did there should not have been possible at all, and yet He pulled it off with no problem.

>He managed to stand in the middle of a room with one of the greatest psykers in the galaxy, one of His sons and all the leaders of the Assassin temples without being discovered until He made his presence known.
Sounds hilarious. When has that happened?

>Nice try, but no.
He has such a huge fucking ego that the divine power that tried to eat and corrupt him into it's servant went nah fuck this shit, hes going to goddamn break free and rape you, just kill him.

When he was standing in a tiny room with Malcador, Dorn and the varies Asassin masters without even the Culexus noticing him.

>hes going to goddamn break free and rape you, just kill him
This, killing him is unironically easier and safer than trying to control him

I mispoke. What's the source of that, so that I might read it?

You say that like he didn't set the whole system up to not affect himself.

He's powerful in combat, but he's not as skilled with individual weapons as the ones his noble phantasms eventually fell to. It's why he excels as an archer launching them as an infinite number of projectiles, why you can't beat Gilgamesh in terms of pure power, (it's less about particularly skilled technical swordsmanship or what have you), and also why Shirou was able to beat him in UBW-- if the Gate of Babylon represented army, the only way to beat an army was with another army. Iirc it was explicitly said that if he were to fight Saber one on one with one Excalibur each, Saber might have been able to beat him, but of course the nature of the fight was not that easy.

Honestly I don't know how to handle magic stuff for 40k, I don't know enough about it to say. I'm not sure if there is even magic in the setting, but I guess the issue would be how do you draw the line between magic and technology.

Forgive me. This might take some time. There are a lot. Trying to find the novel and the PoV narration both, and not just the basic text. For your reading pleasure.

Do you nerds actually stockpile these fictional books like they mean anything

Virgins lol

Yes I do. I don't see the harm in accommodating something you enjoy. I have been inhaling the paint since 93.

Do you just throw away books after reading them?

C'mon Gil, we're debating how hard you'd stomp some golden armoured turkish imposter.

How can he be an imposter when he's more than 5000 years older.

Lets look at it from either universes perspective.

in 40k:

Gilgamesh is essentially a perpetual and/or a warp entity on par with the Emperor himself. He's not quite a warp god (because not being a god is an important part of his character) but he's as damn near as close as you can get without being one. So he's post throne tier Emperor, but without the ruined body.

I think, the Emperor at his prime, it would be a draw between them. Gilgamesh is the essence of the conquering hero, but the Emperor is the essence of the King or lord. They are both God Kings, and they are both equally old, so Gilgamesh cannot claim primacy over him (hence all the comments about them being the same person).

Gilgamesh would most likely rule his own splinter faction. One that is small, not out of necessity but due to his tastes, and basically all it does is fight the forces of chaos and destroy chaff. Gilgamesh respects heroism and individuality - he spares the brave and the strong and mercilessly exterminates the weak. Ironically, his philosophy has a ring of truth to it in the 40k universe, as the whole reason the warp is so perpetually fucked is because the galaxy is just so full of people filling it with their emotions - Yes, there was also the War in heaven that fucked things too, but the modern era doesn't help - and in his mind the way to pacify it would be to wipe out the teeming billions of weak and useless people.

Ironically this makes him damn near a champion of Chaos Undivided, except he would hate Chaos too, and unlike Archaon he would have the strength to resist them.

There's actually some hilarious fanfiction on this.

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Gilgamesh was an adorable wimp the entire way through.

according to Nasu own rules, whatever is older - is better/stronger

Gil is only ~Uruk level of old (2800-2500 BC), while GeoM is Neolithic which is IIRC ~8000 BC

GeoM wins, flawless victory

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>he's not as skilled with individual weapons as the ones his noble phantasms eventually fell to
Oh yeah he definitely isnt, im just point out that you said he isnt very good with individual weapons but he has shown he good enough to atleast keep up in close combat. CCC also showed that before he started chucking his shit like a madman he kept up with Enkidu in 1 v 1 before he had the bright idea of treasure launching to counter enkidu's earth launching.

So what would Gilgamesh and the Emperor think about one another? I feel Big E would try desperatly to get Gil on his side but would be willing to kill if it came to it, while Gil would respect Emps but decide that he just couldn't make the cut and try to kill him and take over leadership.

I only meant not good as the people who eventually acquired and perfected their skills with the weapons, not necessarily that he was bad at combat by himself.

>Take over the

Gilgamesh would drag a futon into the Imperial Throne room and drink all of the Emperor's wine while giving social commentary and shittalking the Emperor's philosophy. If pressed, the Emperor might impress Gilgamesh enough to lend his power to the Imperium and go fuck shit up.

The Emperor would give Gilgamesh as a petty tyrant of the sort he cleared out during the Age of Strife, but would probably suffer him due to the sheer power levels involved and due to being a human being.

All things considered, they probably are acquaintances already, as the Emperor was around during the days of Uruk. Gil would probably dump a healing potion over his head and demand to know why he let things get this bad. Emps is probably of mixed mind about Gil, respecting his authority but deriding his vanity. They both have the same ultimate goal.

Gilgamesh would either pledge fealty to a being more powerful than himself or pave his own way through some clever, choice words.

They have similar but diametrically opposed philosophies. Both want to see the ascendancy of humanity, but the Emperor wants to see a galaxy spanning human empire ruled by reason and logic, whereas gilgamesh is much more Gar and wants a universe of rugged individualist humans. Gil's ideal humanity would be much stronger but fewer in number, spread out, and less unified.

The emperor is a bit older than gil
Fuck the Emperor probably was the actual Gilgamesh.

Oh and also Gil isn't big on modernity, modern conveniences, or science. So that's another big division.

Gil is a jock, the Emperor is a Nerd. It's the Chad/Virgin division, but with god kings

That scrawny boi is a chad? Please. Not only would the Emperor ass rape his boi pussy, he'd literally bench press the kid's ego up into Nurgle's many assholes.

You seem to have mistyped Emperor. Autocorrect is a bitch, eh?

Not quite. Gilgamesh likes artifice and invention, he just hates the PEACEFULNESS of society and the resulting meaninglessness of life. In Gligamesh's view life is given meaning by struggle and difficulty, so a life without these things, a life of uninteruppted 'peace', is a life not worth living.

Gil fucking LOVES modern clothes, wine, video games, couches, toilets, and all that shit, he just thinks the people who use them are fucking weaklings who are wasting their lives doing nothing of value.

The Emperor wants a world with a peaceful, stable, safe Mankind, Gilgamesh wants a world with MEANING.

The Emperor cares about Mankind as a group, as the actual masses of living things, Gilgamesh likes the IDEA of Humanity, as represented by its best members.

>That scrawny boi is a chad? Please

The reason the gods created Endiku in myth is because the people of Uruk were crying out for relief from Gilgamesh who was raping everyone constantly. He was literally fucking everything that moved.

Nah, Emperor would be Utnapishtim, the immortal sage that Gilgamesh consults with but is mutually incompatible with.

>lift Gil's eg

Literally no one has the strength.

Are you suggesting Gil was into boi pussy himself?

You're just jealous your god-king looks like a Neanderthal.

To him every hole was a goal.

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No, he was straight as an arrow, its just his best friend was a magical shapeshifting hermaphrodite whose favorite form was the vaguely male version of a shrine prostitute, so its entirely possible they did the nasty at least once.

Depends on the writer.

Gil is blatantly bisexual in Fate, with the only rule being that he tops everyone and everything.
Hell, his life partner is a genderfluid nonbeing who can invent new genitals for itself at its own discretion.

You're just jealous your god-king looks like an anorexic homosexual.

>Emperor would be Utnapishtim
This would be a good comparison

>Are you suggesting Gil was into boi pussy himself?
Gil fucked everything and celebrated the start of his adventures with Enkidu with a massive orgy

>he was straight as an arrow,
hahahahahaha no. Mythological Gilgamesh was the definition of Omnisex.

If we're going by Fate rules Gil wouldn't last without a master to anchor him to the world and a source of mana like the holy grail.