Who has more authority in the imperium, the inquisition, the custodes or the sisters of silence?

Sisters have no authority being scattered exiles after the Heresy. Without the Emperor they just dispersed into the wider imperium. Some work for the Astra Telepathica, some had kids and spread the pariah gene into the wider humanity.

>But right now? Bobby G. When he says jump, everyone says how high or gets purged.
Sometimes, the nobles butt heads with Guilliman quite often. They come around to his way of thinking eventually but it's like pulling teeth with them.

who is gonna walk Yvraine down the aisle when she and Bobby marry?

Eldrad?

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Eldrad.

Dante will by Bobby' best man.

Lion and Russ will try to crash the wedding.

They're more like mass-produced Primarchs: the strongest of them were equals to his sons both in the lore and on the tabletop.

Inquisition

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Holy shit, those tits and hips.

I would ruin that elf given half a chance. It wouldn't even be heresy, she's clearly Approved By The Emperor.

Now I'm wondering if guillimen has reproductive organs and he does and they simply don't work does that mean trained could heal them.

I meant could yvraine heal themselves?

Can constantin valdor beat any primarchs?

At the highest tiers of power, it all boils down to whichever one is currently able and willing to visit unspeakable violence upon you and yours, right here, right now.

I like the Beast Arises series a lot, especially because they're audiobooks, but some of the lore bothers me. At one point the Captain General of the Custodes backs down and takes orders from one of the High Lords. Isn't the captain general a high lord or at the very least takes orders from no one apart from the Emperor?

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The Arbites and Custodes are not on the same level of authority. This chart is fucking nonsense. The Custodes should have their own branch like the inquisition.

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Doesn’t he think he can handle Russ?

>I like the Beast Arises series a lot

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>This chart is fucking nonsense.
It's completely accurate, you're just incapable of understanding exactly how it delineates the separation of powers throughout the Imperium. The Inquisition has an incredible amount of power, but ONLY within its remit. An Inquisitor could use the authority of his office to purge a planetary population (using other Imperial organizations, such as the Assassinorum, Guard, or Navy), but he couldn't, for example, take over the nearest Munitorum branch and initiate a complete overhaul of their record keeping system in order to maximize efficiency. While he could probably do so as a matter of fact simply because nobody would stop him, it's not nominally within the purview of his authority and purpose, and also it's a huge waste of his time.

So yes, the Custodes authority is on the same level as the Arbites. In any matter where law is concerned, the Arbites have authority to act, but only insofar as it means enforcing Imperial law on its citizens. Meaning they can attempt to track down escaped convicts or whatever, but they probably can't chase xeno sympathizers into Tau space and declare war on the nearest sept world, thus dragging the rest of the Imperium into an interstellar firefight.

So what this means for the Custodes is that their power is 'limited' to the defense of the Emperor and the Imperial Palace. In truth, this can be interpreted so broadly that there's very little reason that they can't just run around killing the shit out of the Emperor's enemies - after all, how can you protect your boss to the best of your ability, if you're not willing to go out there and fuck up the people who want him dead? In practice, they wield an insane amount of power, but just like the Inquisitors, they can't exercise it in a way that does not fall within their purview.

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I think user meant on the tabletop.

Yes

This. The Inquisition is far larger than either the Custodes or sisters and aactually commands respect and authority on it's own merits/tyranny whereas the custodes and sisters are not influential. The Inquisition could probably argue that both were acting outside of their stations if they tried to seize power. Not to mention the Custodes can't actually transport themselves, they need a chapter or the imperial navy.

The pulled the ol' "have Abnett write the first one" trick.

>the Custodes can't actually transport themselves
The Dread Host has the Moiraides.

As far as functional authority is concerned, the Inquisition definitely has more than the custodes. Just due to how widespread and numerous the organization is.

The custards are too few, and due to the nature of their duties aren't very far reaching.

He honestly glues the Black Library together

Inquisition has the higher authority.
More people will listen to the Custodes and would willingly comply without the threat of death hanging over their head.
Sisters are mired behind bureaucracy and are technically several steps down the totem pole.

While you're right on some points you are still wrong in others. A custodes is not on the same level as an Arbite at all, he is the voice of the emperor, no one is going to stop nor question him. In fact if even a single custodes is close ti ab area where there is a battle, the high lords will immediatly say it's an automatic Imperium victory or else. Also of course they wouldn't go declare war on their own, they would just go do it themselves.

>The Astartes are under the administratum despite basically being independent.
>The Navis Nobility are directly linked to the Official Imperium, despite being a fucking bunch of noble houses as the name says

Yeah, no, bullshit.

They are the most glorious reproductive organs, fashioned by the Emperor himself! Each holy ejaculation can impregnate a thousand women with glorious vigorous and valorous sons!

>The Astartes are under the administratum despite basically being independent.
what the fuck do you think the dotted line is for?

Independent is independent, not "technically a branch under someone else"

Fluffwise it varies a lot. In some cases he’s referred to as the Primarchs equal in terms of blade work and things he can take on Russ, and is taller than the guy. In others he thinks he could only fight Dorn defensively, and is about as tall as him. Sometimes he’s only as tall as A&O. The inconsistency is a pain.

The Custodes has their own ships. They’re all nice and gold and fancy.

This. If a Emissary or Shield shows up, they can pretty much tell anyone to what what they say or tell everyone to fuck off away from their charge as they please.

>While you're right on some points you are still wrong in others
Nope, I'm completely correct on every point, you're just dumb. You're taking the chart as an indication of whose authority supersedes whose - but that's not what it's meant to illustrate. A Custodes is given only the authority/power/whatever he needs in order to his job, which is protecting the Emperor. He can do whatever the fuck he needs to do to get that done, which naturally means he goes around killing things. This doesn't mean he has the authority to do something like replace a member of the Council of the High Lords for being an asshole, or whatever, unless he thinks this will make the Emperor safer.

> if even a single custodes is close ti ab area where there is a battle, the high lords will immediatly say it's an automatic Imperium victory or else
This is a single bit from the Custodes codex, and at no point was it stated that it was a decree from the High Lords, it was just a bunch of Administratum clerks not wanting to get executed.

That said, "protecting the Emperor" is such a monumentally important task that they can and have booted High Lords to ensure it. "Making sure the Emperor stays alive" is a carte blanche for them to do what they want. It's not like anyone else knows better than them at how to protect the Emperor, and you don't compromise on that subject. Fortunately, Custodians are incorruptible, so they tend to just focus on their one job instead of using it as an excuse to rule the Imperium.
The Inquisition's power is to protect the Imperium and they too have carte blanche, but unlike protecting the Emperor, there many, many contradicting ways to protect the Imperium. That's why inquisitors need to compromise and make deals with others to do their job. Space Marines also protect the Imperium, so inquisitors can't just wave papers and boss around Dante or Logan Grimnar.

In the end they both wield unlimited powers since their task is of ultimate importance, but the Custodians limit their powers from within, while the limits of the inquisitors come from without.

>"Making sure the Emperor stays alive" is a carte blanche for them to do what they want.
Yes, and I addressed that they have near unlimited power simply as a matter of practice, because they can interpret their remit in a very broad manner. It doesn't change the fact that, nominally, they are just another member of the Adeptus Terra, same as the Adeptus Arbites, or any number of Imperial organizations.

Someone who looks at that chart and says "What the fuck, why aren't the Custodes given their own special little box?" is just being dumb.

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But you're not though and technically it is a decree from the High Lords as it's considered heresy.
Adeptus Custodes Codex, page 33
>Amidst the horrors of the ongoing war against Chaos, it is deemed heresy for Administratum clerks to suggest the Adeptus Custodes could ever lose a battle, regardless of the odds. Fearing for their safety and their souls, many adepts record campaigns as Imperial victories even before the first shots are fired, should so much as a single Custodian be reported active in that war zone. Needless to say, more than one system is lost to subsequent disaster despite the Custodians’ endeavours.

>A Custodes is given only the authority/power/whatever he needs in order to his job, which is protecting the Emperor.
This isn't exactly correct. The Emissaries Imperatus are the voice of the Emperor, and go around and tell people to do shit - and they pretty much have to listen. It's not just within the purview of their roles as defenders of the Throneworld.

The thing about Custodes is - they technically have unlimited power. If they say: the Emperor wants XYZ, people will listen. The thing is though, they don't make a habit of doing it unless they really are given orders to do so. They're content to be 10000000% loyal to the Emperor's desires as they can interpret them.

On average the Inquisition. They speak with his voice.
Only in the throne room do the custodes have near absolute authority.
SOS have authority on their black ships. That's it.

I see you suck at feudalism. Technically the astartes can get ordered around, however good luck doing so.

People will do what the custodes says because they want to. Not because he has absolute authority. That is a fine but important difference.

>People will do what the custodes says because they want to. Not because he has absolute authority.
user do you have any idea how absolutely wrong that statemant is?

>technically it is a decree from the High Lords
Not only does it not say that anywhere in the blurb you posted, you're a dumbass who hasn't put any thought into this claim. Guilliman and Valoris are on the fucking Council of the High Lords, you dumbfuck, and this shit is exactly the kind of thing they wouldn't decree, for exactly the reason as detailed in that tidbit - entire campaigns erroneously reported as victories, regardless of the actual outcome, is a fucking disaster and yet another example of the Imperium's grimderp incompetence that Guilliman would try to rectify, not perpetuate.

You're a complete retard.

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I said technically not actually and you got me there, although Guilliman and Valoris wouldn't do that but I would assume that the other High Lords would. Also going back to the original argument, Custodes authority is almost absolute, in some areas they can't rule but in others they can.

>inquiring about the height of the jump
>not jumping five feet in accordance with the codex astartes

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>This

Why would the Emperor give his sons genitals if he didn't intend for them to use?

Now that they finally decided to actively particiáte in the politics of the Imperium. i would say that the power is de facto shared between Guilliman and the Captain General of the Custodes

‘Ignatum cannot accept these terms,’ said the aged princeps of the Empiris Crescir. ‘The Scion cannot be abandoned.’
We are already falling apart, Diocletian thought.
‘Look at me,’ he said slowly. ‘Forget the pride of your Legio, Kaleb Asarnus. Forget the battle-lust of the war machine singing inside your blood. Forget the last five years we’ve waged war together, the banners of heraldic glory that sway from your Reaver’s weapon limbs and the companions we have all lost. Look at me, look at the colour of my armour, and remember whose authority I speak with.’
The princeps’ features were masked behind his ceremonial helm. But he nodded.

The Captain General of the Adeptus Custodes speaks with the authority of the Emprah himself. Literally no one can supersede him, including the Primarchs.

Isn't one currently/previously a high lord or something?

Wrong. When an Emissary of the Custodes gives out orders, it's literally taken as the Emperor's direct word. The orders they carry have the ultimate authority.

In the Sol system and around it the custodes are the winner. However the more you move away from the throne of Terra the more influence the inquisition has. This is by design. It is the reason why the it is not head of the inquisition that goes the Terra to be their face among the high lords. Or that matter why they not even have a "official" head of their group. Or why they do not official headquarters. Sure they use Encaladus ( a moon of Saturn) for that but they do not call it their headquarters. There is no loss of face for just moving that function well outside the Sol system, which they have do so in the past.

If a group of custodes showed up in a Segmentum other then the Solar to arrest a inquisitior the inquisitior would just say the custodes are impostors. At which point the custodes would have to fight EVERY Imperial asset in the area just for survival.

I know the question is based around authority not influence, but past a given point becomes authority in effect.

>If a group of custodes showed up in a Segmentum other then the Solar to arrest a inquisitior the inquisitior would just say the custodes are impostors. At which point the custodes would have to fight EVERY Imperial asset in the area just for survival.
This is completely wrong though.

For example, the Aquilan Shield. When they show up to protect some random on the Emperor's orders, he becomes untouchable - even Inquisitor Lords know they need to fuck off. That said, once the Custodes leave, he's open game. This happened with a random Guard officer who was basically slated to be BLAMMED, but ended up leading a crusade under the protection of the Custodes. Afterwards, they left, and the Inquisition got the guy.

Same shit with the Emissaries. If they show up, point at someone and say "the Emperor says he's a heretic" everyone there immediately knows that they're acting directly under the Emperor's orders and would jump to obey. Nobody would buy that they're imposters or whatnot, because of the presence they have.

The thing is, the absolute authority that the Custodes essentially have isn't used very often, and never causes any real problems. They literally only act when told to, and are completely content to let the Imperium run it's course most of the time.

they defiantly have his dna, mainly in their posterior and stomachs

fuck that got me