/mgw/ - Monster Girl Worldbuilding and or Veeky Forums Monster Girl thread

Previous: We talk about Monstergirls and build a setting for them. Though we can all post pics and images and art of Monster Girl Encyclopedia monster girls and take about them. But bear in mind this is not KCs MGE canon to the letter. Seriously lads a lot of people have their ideas and they aren't all the same, we can all agree to disagree. Just remember to have fun.

Warhammer Fantasy roleplay homebrew link:
>docs.google.com/document/d/1-khJ4fE5v2MyrumyZoauEJ4VIucMO-kP1MGHNVtaDkc/edit

Dungeon World Monster Classes.
docs.google.com/document/d/1tnxUNkYKWeDtVtyPk8sYAiTsfwBwcNeC1DKg_0GTb8U/edit?usp=sharing

Wikis for popular Monstergirl settings:

Monster Mosume (Everyday Life with Monstergirls):
>dailylifewithamonstergirl.wikia.com/wiki/Daily_Monster_Girls_Wiki

Monstergirl Encyclopedia:
>mgewiki.com/w/Main_Page

Monstergirl Quest:
>monstergirlquest.wikia.com/wiki/MonsterGirlQuest_Wiki

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Talk about good hearted and "good sou" monster girls and lawful good monster girls?

Pic related.

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Had to stay away from computers for a few days but I'm back. While going through the previous threads, I noticed someone saying that they want to help with the hack.

Firstly, the doc is in the OP and comments are enabled. What I think will need the most work is re-working the magic system, specifically, adding an Arcane Lore of Water, a Dark Lore of the Wild, a Dark Lore of Blood, changing some of the side effects of using Dark Magic and re-working the age system of the Witch Lore of Hags so that it grants childlike youth instead of premature aging. Maybe I should skip ahead to that part and come back to the Corruption mechanics later so that people can contribute, and change the 'Can Comment' part to 'Can Edit'.

oh hey, will do
also, reposting the general lay of the land
>The Order mainland is split into a northern Slavic/gothic styled region, and a southern classical/Southern European styled region, where the Order has its capital
>To the far north is where the demon Lord has her base, so far it's a blank blot on the map marked with HERE BE DEMONS
>Miscaea (or Misceus) a neighboring monster coexistence state trying to rebuild it's fallen empire (the Order lands used to be part of it)
>The sea of Knights is the dark edge on the sea with the sunken city of the dead, ghost ships, goth mermaids, and on the edge of it is the deep layer of chaos cultists sea witches
>The southern sea seperates the Order mainland from the desert continent, the land of exotic pelts filled with Brown monstergirls lies on the western coastline
>The southern coast includes rival merchant state factions, a pirate city based out of a shipwreck island, and a series of Amazon tropical islands.
>There's an island of wyvern riders, think of it something similar to Erlic's Melnibone, location yet to be discussed
>Desert Continent has Arabian Nights city-states, nomadic sand elves, Pharaonic ruins whose inhabitants are trying to rebuild their fallen empire and Apophis ruled states.
>The Great North is a subcontinent of Scandinavian/Northern European styled states, with Viking monstergirls and and emerging merchant guild
>Somewhere in between the frozen north and the mainland there are some Duchies/Principates ruled by Matriarchal Vampires, running a Bene Gesserit program to breed the ultimate hero (for their nefarious purposes)
>Zipangu and the Mist Lands off to the eastern sea
>Ruins dot the land, what wonders they may hide, some want a advanced precursor tech, others cyclopean ruins or arcane forgotten knowledge?

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(Replying to posts at previous threads)

>youtube.com/watch?v=UhEwU3vPEcU

I pity all these folks, all of them...

All the people in the surface world spend their time in pointless conflicts, creating countless problems, countless complications and degradation to society and life as a whole. The Monster Girls and their succubi masters and the Demon with their constant sexual lust filled corruptions and hedonism. Degrading people left and right into becoming sexual deviants, sexual slaves and sex obsessed rape monsters. All while claiming they are doing it out of love and compassion and that how the current Demon Lord feels sorry for humanity and decides to try fixing the world's problems through hedonism.

While the so called Holy Religious Theocracy that is "The Order" constantly praise themselves with holy religious righteousness and purity. Praising and bathing in the words, teaching and texts of their sacred books and manuscripts, praying in their gilded and golden plated monasteries, churches and cathedrals. Listening to the sermons and preachings of men and women adorned in fancy bright colored robes and adorned in high end jewelry about holiness and purity religious righteousness and whatever arbitrary sense of "lawful good" they deem as law and the will of their god... Unfortunately The Order is no better than the monster girls they claim to fight against and protect humanity from.

>to be cont.

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The Order are no better either in regards to societal progress, their theocratic leaders and their god is careless and oblivious to the lives of the common people who they heavily tax overwork. The Chief God is an uncaring and neglectful mistress while their theocratic leaders are either borderline or outright hypocrites who preach on and on about mercy and compassion. But the moment someone criticize or speak against their theocracy, such people are deemed as heretics and unholy worshipers who're to be executed and their family members and friends to be purified through executions aswell. They especially are against the science and forward thinking that we The Institute wish to teach the people of the world to improve their daily lives and the world. For such advanced and forward thinking to them is considered heresy and is against their god and faith. Though what they truly mean is that our scientific research hurts their religious following, thus hurts the profits they earn through taxing and charity donations, meaning they afraid about their profits being hurt.

While there are many people who lament on the Fall of Lecastie into becoming a Demon Lord under the rule of Roper Queen Francisca Mistel Lescatie, but really Lecastie is under the rule of Druella the Fourth Born of The Demon Lord. Even we the scientific community of The Institute do share some sympathy to Lecastie's fall to the Monster Girls... But alas in the end, most and many people who are not Order aligned people or Pro-Order supporters would learn and realize many of the questionable, downright illegal, abusive and even borderline inhumane practices the previous ruling Theocracy that ruled Lecastie before has done. Such as ranging from overworking most of the common smallfolk and overtaxing them, even members and "heroes" of their own clergies and military who were of lower to middle class backgrounds were mistreated and sometimes abused just because of the background they were born in

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When you get right down to it the forces of the Demon Lord as much of a threat as they're made out to be. Oh sure, those monsters are powerful and their corruption is strong, but as soon as a monstergirl corrupts her man she and that man become useless to the Demon Lord's cause, too busy with each other to get out and fight for the cause. The Demon Lord herself can hardly ever manage to mobilize her legion of former heroes since they're too lust filled to break away from their sex sessions and actually get shit done.

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Hence she’s playing the long game- she doesn’t need to win soon, she just needs to get demonic energy at critical mass, and even if it goes up slowly, it keeps going up.

If humanity is allowed to progress technologically without the current newbie chief god preventing it from going out of control we could see some disturbing long game scenarios happening where the Order could quite literally throw tens of thousands of men into offensives and overwhelm monsters with numbers. The long game only works if humanity doesn't progress through population exploding discoveries such as industrial farming.

Except the numbers game benefits monsters- the more men, the more monstergirls get husbands, the more demonic energy there is.

Human already outnumber monsters and are seemingly more fertile than monsters if we go by how lore treats things. With more humans you also get more heroes. It doesn't matter if there's more husbando material if you've got 10 of his mates there fending you off while he's down.

In short, the Highborn Upper Class and ruling class of Lecastie bathed in their hubris. Thinking they are the biggest, greatest holy state in the whole world that breeds the greatest warriors and greatest heroes. And when the common folk and the very heroes, warriors and soldiers of lower and common background realized or learned of the high upper class and ruling class's hubristic attitudes and disregard to the lesser folk, combined with the monster girl invasion of Lecastie. The very warriors, soldiers and heroes of Lecastie laid down their arms, lowered their defenses and opened the gates to the monster girls now turned into de-facto liberators and saviors. Because admitingly, the monster girls did genuinely offer love, care and compassion to Lecastie's general populace, such care for the people that the previous theocracy has failed to provide for it's people...

To summarize, the monster girls have a noble cause of trying to "fix the world's problems." Through degenerative hedonism, mind rapes, turning women into sex-crazed monsters (both literally and figuratively) and demon energy corruption. While The Order has learned from their mistakes and have started taking in non- corrupted non-humans and even "good non-demon lord aligned" monster girls into their ranks. The Order still does no do a good job, for their rampant religious theocracy prevents people from thinking further beyond constantly praying and depending on an uncaring god who seemingly does not do anything to fight back against the demon lord and the monster girl hordes. Not to mention their god wants to restore the vicious cycle and vicious status quo of monsters and humanity locked in an endless conflict.

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Is it just me or are these threads terrible now?

Hard to disagree with you there, these threads have taken a turn for the worse. I think people are taking this frankly ridiculous and obviously fetishistic thought experiment and trying to make it serious and grimdark, and it just doesn't fit.

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The future of not only humanity, but the future and hope of this world lies undergroud, with us, The Institute. For now we will continue to spread and teach useful scientific knowledge to the people who need it the most and or anyone willing to learn. For any travelling scholar or bard anyone would meet and encounter on the outside world is actually a member and or scientist of The Institute who's more than willing to help educated the world with science, logic and reasonable understanding. For it seems we humanity as a whole may aswell be better off without the uncaring gods, or the Demon Lord's pretense of "caring and loving and saving" humanity.

One day, we the Institute shall arrive to the outside world, and rise above the ashes of whoever waged war at one another. To rebuild and wipe the slate clean, to start anew without the aid or intervetion from gods or "Demon Lords."

...For now, we continue to research and study to enhance our technologies and capabilities. We will initiate our grandmaster plan once the time is right.

When did this lighthearted worldbuilding about waifufags vs. deusvulttards become some shitty pretentious grimderp setting?

Fear not, I still have good hope and optimism for these threads.

This isn't Warhammer 40,000 where everthing is grimdark, every thing is dark, grungy, pessimistic and where everyone is a murderous, violent and barbaric savage.

There's still hope.

when the festishposters tried to take over and shove their shit on everyone else

The nice thing about the MGE world is that the waifufags and the deusvulttards can more or less get along, since as mentioned Ares the goddess of war ensures that battles are hardly ever deadly. This more or less means that the Deus Vulters are essentially living in Valhalla, eternally warring against the monstergirl while rarely actually killing anything.

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>when the festishposters tried to take over
That happened the very moment someone proposed the idea for this thread user, the MGE world, the Monstergirl Quest world, and the Monster Mosume world are ALL fetishistic, and those are the 3 main inspirations for these threads.

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here's your (You), either contibute to the thread or kindly fuck off

>goes into the Monstergirl thread
>OP pic is of a cute yeti girl with big tits
>silly user thinks he can somehow turn this thread into a grimdark serious setting
Honestly user, why are you even here?

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>enters worldbuild thread
>wants to insert his shitty fetishes
>is told to go away
>"t-the entire setting is fetishes, why can't I have mine in it"
cry some more and go back to /jp/
oh wait, you were run out from there too, I wonder why?

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>OP pic decides the subject of dicussion

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THIS is why you guys manage to be worse than the /jp/ threads.
If you dropped the edginess you'd be able to actually be the best because of not being entirely full of assholes who refuse to deviate from MGE and guys who spam their daily lives.

And yet you'd still have nothing to do with traditional games

>leviathan attempts to rescue sailors after their ship is destroyed by storms

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RRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Alright considering it's been mentioned multiple times:
With the sole exception of the Red Order who's entire thing is being ridiculously dumb edgy dark as a containment for that kind of thing, what's edgy?
What's "edgy" about this setting, hmm? What's uber grimdark about the whole thing?

The only thing I can think of is if you're some corruptionfag who doesn't see that there's a reason that's being fought against and consider any form of violence to stop that "edgy".

You need to cite shit to have your arguments make sense. So tell me, what in the commonly accepted zeigeist is especially edgy or grimdark?

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The "war of attrition" was discussed WAAAAY back during either the very first /mgg/ threads or before they got that name.
Basically the issue is that for every one of your number you lose, sure, the enemy loses one of theirs - but that one is now endlessly producing more demons given their long lifespan. Sure, humanity might have more numbers, but consider how long the average human takes to grow to maturity compared to the average Monster, especially if you take into account the actual replenishment of those numbers.
You also need to take into account two things: women and corruption. Women are turned, 1-1, into Monsters, and those Monsters don't have any reason to settle down yet; so half the human population isn't a -1 for you and a -1 for them, it's a -1 for you and a +1 for them. Corruption, whilst in this setting you definitely can fight it, is still a major concern depending on what you think it is - even if Monsters don't go out taking down villages, some fucker who decides that turning all the water in the well corrupt is a great idea has just given Monsters a whole village worth of people ready to make the push.
Even without that, humans are fickle things, some will gladly embrace corruption even without demons knocking on their door because they think that life is better; then corruption's got a hold of them and the whole cycle starts anew.

Humanity MIGHT be able to fight a war of attrition, but it'd rely heavily on major population centres to stop demons replenishing their numbers from women along their path and on humans or uncorrupt Monsters not betraying that trust - because if you've got a major population centre and somebody decides smuggling in corrupt food is a good idea, suddenly everyone's infected.

>muh edgy
Go back to /jp/ if you're so upset about conflict

Can we get away from the pointless arguing?

What if there was a USA styled fallen empire in the Far West? Would there be any Revivalists there? If so what would they be like and how would they be going about things?

>originally created to protect humans, colossi take well to civilization but strongly distrust other monsters
>they can shed their outer body entirely if it becomes a hindrance, but they prefer not to do this as it leaves them vulnerable and forming a new body is a major exertion

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>USA styled
No. For starters, why? Secondly, stop focusing on other continents, you're spreading the pickle of focus to thin on the sandwich of the world and losing all those delicious chunks. Thirdly, we arrive at America and all it's crazy government structure when the rest of the world is sitting somewhere between Ancient times and the Renaissance?
And finally, why in the everloving fuck are they "Revivalists"? What are they even reviving?

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A fallen empire. Like Miscaea. We’ve been over this.

As for why a USA styled ones, I’d think the actual empires in the new world (Aztec, Mayan, Incan) are already represented in dragon worshipping civs. Then we have dragon hunting tribes. So adding a third revivalist faction, even if it’s small I think is at least worth entertaining.

As for govt. the other fallen empires, Miscaea and the Pharoahs are both working on highly centralized governments that weren’t a thing again until the 1600’s. Miscaea already has a senate. So for these new guys it’d just take meshing the American government with Native American styled democracy.

And now I’m thinking about the Viking girls instituting a welfare system.

Anyway if you don’t like the idea propose a different topic.

So question- do any order states have access to Collossi? Has an entrepid adventurer found one, restored it, and convinced it to protect his home city?

>Reviving ANOTHER Fallen Empire
>The American Empire
Fuck that. You know America was like, a more or less fresh idea when it was made, yeah? Why not have people come up with those ideas on their own rather than literally everything that isn't human being some shadow of the past? Fuck, if all these fallen Empires were wandering around why isn't this whole thing SET back when they were a thing? Why is nobody looking to the damn future?

Also yeah, you've alluded to some form of Mesoamerican civs on that part. That area of the world has it's major and minor players already.

Miscea has a senate because the Romans had a senate, that's where they're pulling that from, not some modern idea of that; you don't get to just invent democracy without some in-universe justification for it (Americans living under the British Empire and having a history of religious persecution, for example). How and why did people come upon this system of governance, what pushed them to break out of the status quo so heavily and so radically?

And no, I'm going to tell you your ideas are stupid, you don't get to juts quietly suggest something then have nobody talk about it so you get to sit back and start injecting more and more of it until nobody speaks up and you assume everyone adopts it, that's how half the messes in this place start.

Take a chill pill dude.

Democracy was invented because of the enlightenment- rationality was at its height and people questioned the utilities if monarchies (the problems of monarchies should go without saying) and using logic and reason they determined a representative government was the most rational form
If governance.

Now I could say these tribes have always practiced some form of democracy as the North American tribes were all pretty democratic, but then I’m absent the cheeseburgers and funny mustaches.

>get away from the pointless arguing
>a USA styled fallen empire

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Partially because I think it’s funny and silly. Need I remind you people you were asking to have the setting be less grimdark.

>you were asking to have the setting be less grimdark
citation needed

I figure they have a handful and they've seen enough to know they want more. Because of this, there are a lot of adventurers out there looking for them.
Now that they're monstergirls, breeding is an option, but it's a slow option and they don't have many to start with, so it doesn't factor into their short term plans.

The Enlightenment certainly played a part, but you've also got to remember that such thoughts came about because of Europe at large going through some major changes, like the French Revolution. You need the right kind of world for those ideas to take root and for things like America to rise and try the grand experiments of secularism and democracy.
Considering this setting is circa roughly 1500-1600 and the state of the world at large? The Enlightenment isn't on it's way yet, the circumstances to create that radical departure from current thinking haven't arisen.

*facepalm*

The French Revolution was after the American Revolution.

Anyway that’s where the fallen empire comes in- people can point out ‘hey this really worked well way back when- let’s try what they did’.

>American Revolution
>American Empire Revivalists
Jesus Fucking Christ it's Assassins Creed III all over again
also
>*facepalm*
if there was a point when you should've stopped posting, now would be good time to do so

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I use that shit as an example of some drastic shift in Europe, you get my point, that rough era of the 18th Century and everything going on in it, something this setting doesn't have yet.

Weirdly, the SEEDS for such a thing are actually being sewn - with the Order taking it's "Hey, treat all humans like your brothers, we're in this together" that mindset could bloom into being something that does what representative democracy because the King is as much my brother as the ironsmith, so they should both get a say in how the family of humanity is run; or something to that effect, again, you get my gist.

So there was an Enlightenment in the past? What the hell is this, cyclical history? Why isn't this setting set when the old Empires were running around if there are so many of them and their ideas are so all-consuming everyone and their mother is trying to live up to them.
Misceas has the whole "we're living up to an image of the past" thing going on, you don't need to re-tread that idea. Beyond that to make something modelled after the USA (seriously though, the US? When you've got something like the Iroquis Confederation on that same landmass?) trying to live up to the past rather than look to the future is to undermine what America is and was founded for and I say this as a Britbong who holds many issues with the US at various stages in history.

... uh yeah, AC3 was set during the American Revolution. The Revolution was still a real thing that happened.
Well I figure there was a classical period where all the old empires filled out all the major landmasses. These empires faced various disasters due to the Gods and fell. As for why we aren’t setting the time then, we’ll we are going for a mostly renaissance not classical feel.

Anyway I would mind doing something like the Iroquois (something like a confederation of thirteen tribes) but I’d also like my Americana in there too. Also speaking as an American, I think there’s something to be said about trying to live up to the bright parts of ones legacy in the face of darker times. Insert commentary on the Trump Adminstration here.

>/pol/ posting

Someone doesn’t like the president. Shocker.

>A fallen empire. Like Miscaea. We’ve been over this.
the what?
when?
the fuck are you on about?

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>Wanting Americana
>In the Renaissance
Even allowing for the furthest anachronism yet (which, already, you're too far ahead bro just drop it), your "America" would just be little Britain, the American flavour hasn't taken hold yet.
And no, I'm not for having redcoats either as aesthetically pleasing as that might be

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On the topic of beings which feast upon human emotion such as the shinto yokai and the abrahamic demons. Obviously there are spirits which feed upon the pleasure that man feels in the world due to the power of the demon lord, but what kind of spirit or demon would feed upon the negative emotions such as anger? Would they be all about pleasure from pain or anger, sort of like cursed swords?

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See user seems to think there was a time in antiquity when every flavour of Empire from Mesopotamiam to American was rubbing shoulders.
Sounds to me more like he wants the entirety of modern history and beyond to have happened and we're on the second pass, personally.

Cursed swords would be a good example, there's a little writefaggotry done a while back between a few anons about someone who ends up bonded to their weapon and has to actively avoid conflict because her passion is anger and wrath. She sometimes hears it talking to her at night and knows that if she did need to be a warrior again for whatever reason she'd likely lose herself to it, it was a good time, I liked that little story.

>What if there was a USA styled fallen empire in the Far West? Would there be any Revivalists there?
>cramming fallen empires nilly willy
>USA on a setting that uses XV century as a base point
>skipping Anglicanism, the Age of Exploration, the Colonization, Trade Wars, the Revolution and the Civil War
>not to mention all the ongoing European Conflicts that sparked the hatred on the English Monarchy and Parlament
HANDWAVIUM

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We clearly seem to be on different pages. I’m not saying we can just jam something in and be done with it, but I’m thinking we can take a concept and work out way back to justify it, whereas you seem to want to work your way forwards to come up with new concepts.

Actually, corruptionfag might have something.
The demons destroy themselves and form a democracy.
Think about it:
>They've got a monarch and her advisors who are basically pushing non-stop conflict
>They've gone through a massive cultural and religious shift with the advent of corruption
>They've got the colonisation of new lands as they attempt to corrupt them
All they're missing is a violent revolution and a very bloody civil war and they're set.

Ironic... in an attempt to create something he wanted, the best option for the corruptionfag would be to have an event that destroys or severely fractures his own people, and causes a mass exodus of uncorrupted demons...

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No not really. Why do you guys think history has to play out 1-1?

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This sounds surprisingly plausible. I’d imagine many seaside monster territories would have something approaching a Coast Guard, with teams of aquatic monstergirls/incubi ready to launch S&R operations.

It doesn't need to play out exactly, but you do need to have some circumstances that can lead up to certain events taking place.
Look up some alt history if you want to see how a change of circumstances or actions or reactions can effect things and create entirely different worlds, or look to regular history to see how much things have to be certain ways to achieve results that happen today.

TL;DR: It doens't need to play out 1-1, but you need to have the right situation and context for things analogues to major historical events to occur.

I'm not saying it's a good idea, nor that I want it (I don't), I just find it funny that of all the ways user could have what he wanted the most likely scenario would be that it tears the corrupted people apart to make it happen.

>Incubi
>In uncorrupt Monster lands

Well let’s split this into two categories-

The confederation version is easy- say the local tribes always practiced a form of democracy and have banded together to deal with wild monsters, and the dragon worshipping civs.

The Americana version is the one that others find hard to swallow which has a more formalized system and has a (in my opinion) awesome mix of medieval, tribal, colonial, western aesthetics trying to manifest destiny.

And I want both.

The only issue is them monsterizing women by having sex with them, or going over to the Extremists.

Possibly husband/wife teams? Kinda hard to have an affair with human women when your wife can fuck for hours and you live on the seafloor.

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>All those things together
>And Manifest Destiny
>IN THE RENAISSANCE
Dude, just cut your losses. Sometimes you gotta learn when to call it quits.

No, the issue I meant was Incubi are, by their nature, demons - corrupted human men.
If someone's gotten to the point they're an incubus, they're "past the point of no return".

Expansionism isn’t excluded in the renaissance era.

Look, what I’m doing is finding the concepts I like and working my way back to make them fit. I think that should be aggreeable to at least attempt yes?

>cannibalistic moth lady
I like my mummy though

They're identical to humans in nearly every way.

Apart from the whole "Being filled with corruption" thing. Which is pretty important.
It's like saying Black Coffee is nearly incidental to a white coffee in nearly every way. Technically correct, but the addition of milk is a big damn deal.

Look back at this thread, dude.
Nobody wants this even in concept, and several people actively don't.
Let it go.

Which they only spread if they cheat on their wife with a human women, which is unlikely as their lust is directed towards their wife and human women just don't excite them. On principle you could keep them out, by for spreading corrupting? Nah.

It's not just the spreading, it's whole "being corrupt" thing generally and everything that entails for the individual and their effect on society generally.
That's assuming neither they nor any other demon they bring with them spreads corruption, or has something that spreads corruption. And perhaps, most importantly, assumes they won't ever have children who will, you guessed it, spread corruption.

Not to mention, why would a demon want to live anywhere other than demon lands, among those like-minded to themselves? Why would anyone outside demon lands let demons live and work among them?

So, I'm getting a lot of conflicting things about this setting. Are incubi extremely devoted demon husbandos for their monster girl waifus, or are they mindless sex toys? Are monster girls malicious predators trying to overrun humanity, or are they just trying to exist as well? Are the Order mindless ideologues who genocide on behalf of a faceless, uncaring god, or are they noble heroes who want to secure the existence of their people and a future for human children? Do monster girls only go after virgins/single men, or do they try to force cuckqueaning?

Imcubi have greatly increased libidos, but can still do the same things they used to do. Monstergirls go after single men.

What do Inubui do that's harmful to society?

Good fucking questions all round, at least regarding corruption (Order is definitely not on the genocide end of the scale though, but still, where exactly matters).
Seeing as how corruption is such an important issue, I feel the need to see it set in stone and formalised would be important. Like, a legit formal discussion between people rather than everyone asserting and yelling, start the whole discussion over again.

If and when the Paladins get back this evening, to provide an important counter-perspective, I wouldn't mind some kind of formalised discussion; Paladins go to one side and talk about themselves about what they want, corruptionfags about what they want, the two come together to discuss what would be best for the setting and do it all formally and shit, then at the end someone writes it all down.
Is that a pipe dream? Maybe, but I can still want it.

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So most of the grimderp is just a forced meme?

Yes.

According to that one user, it depends on who you ask.
Others will say an incubus has had who they are changed somewhat by the experience to be more sexually minded - which makes sense, given what they are, so even if they can still function to build a society some part of the human that once was has been lost along the way.

Alright. I like the setting a bit more, then. It kinda reminds me of 2hu, a bit.

From what I've read, it's not clear whether becoming an incubus replaces part of who you are, or just amplifies certain aspects of yourself while retaining the rest of you. Like, it's ambiguous as to whether the sex obsession is an out-of-nowhere replacement to some part of the man's psyche, or if his sex drive and sensitivity are increased, such that his natural responses would tend in that direction. There's another theory, which I haven't seen anyone posit, that monster girls unconsciously sense men who innately have (either consciously or unconsciously) the mental traits that would befit an incubus.

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>liking silly lighthearted settings full of waifus, and mentioning a well-known one means you're going to spam it

The end result of either is the same; a part of whomever gets corrupted is changed by the process; whether that's cranking to 11 what you've already got or whether it's overwriting something, you have been changed by that process.
That to some is enough on it's own to qualify as being unacceptable or to qualify as the person before and after corruption not being the same - and thus, corruption itself being untenable to them on a moral level.
And that's only incubi - how does such a change effect women? They have entire new physiologies that come with whole new compulsions - not desires, but compulsions - that can also change who they are, and in a much more notable and striking way.

That is an understandable perspective. However, it begs the question: Which is worse, the corruption that currently exists, or the violence and destruction of a traditional monster order?

Humans have quite the penchant for freedom and maintaining control over themselves, which corruption either damages or removes entirely at best and actively "kills" the person you were at worst.
If you give people the option between forced happiness and peace that they as they are may not experience and the messy, violent world that is but that all of us help shape but that we have the freedom to choose and change? Well, history has shown we'll take self-determination over a lot of things. Not all of us, and not all the time, but in general.

And that's exclusively the moral component of corruption, nevermind the idea of it eventually driving the human race extinct by turning them all into Monsters and incubi; the destruction or conversion of an entire species, an entire culture, is always something people have an issue with, doubly so if it's theirs or their neighbours.

Does it really matter so much if you bed your wife once every two weeks or once a day?

If that person feels a compulsion or desire to do so they didn't before? Yes, quite a bit actually.
And that's assuming the whole coupling was of free volition; if you've got any kind of pheromones or magic or anything effecting the person's decision to get into a relationship with that person, if those emotions don't develop over time as they would if they're not corrupt? Then you've got a major problem, because that truly has changed a person, undeniably and unequivocally.

But here's the thing - humans have a higher birth rate than monsters. Humans, provided no major catastrophes happen, will always outnumber monsters. In addition, it's still a matter of how exactly the corruption works. If it's just a pheromone-like thing, then it doesn't even fully change someone so much as give the monster girl a "let's fuck now" button, which most people who would be willing to wander willingly into monster girl territory would be fine with anyways.

What I'm asking is if your drinking buddy became an Incubus. He still holds a job, has a few beers and shoots the shit with you, and has hobbies. But when he's at home with his wife, they have more sex then a human couple would. To an outsider observer, is he not the same person?

>By cramming them in her pussy

Some Monsters have got mind-altering pheromones mentioned at various stages; that's not an aspect of corruption specifically I don't think.
And the reason that is unacceptable is because it's introducing a substance to someone that alters their mind and then having sex with them. When you do that with chemicals in the real world, we call it rape.

But that's why that's a different discussion compared to the "If Corruption alters how someone thinks and their priorities etc is this morally acceptable" discussion, which has been... surprisingly civil so far, I don't feel anywhere near insulted enough yet, it's almost surreal.

Considering I never see him at home, his interaction with me would be the same, yes; but he is still a changed person, if he has those compulsions and desires he didn't have before then he has been changed; doubly so if his whole world-view is now sex-tinted, or if he has a different set of priorities as a person. And again, that's assuming he knew all those things going in.

Just because something seems the same on the outside doesn't mean it is the same on the inside. Take a psychopath for an extreme example - to an outside observer, they're a perfectly normal person because that's how they act, but they have fundamental differences compared to normal people, even if they can still function in every day society, engage in hobbies, talk of current events, etc.

>Velma_"Stop_That".jpg

If they walk into monster girl territory, seeking a monster girl waifu, knowing what will happen to them, then there can be no arguments made in favor. It's only if/when soldiers of the Order are captured and made incubi, monster girls breach human settlements, and men wander to the territory in ignorance that we get to problems.