Is there anything more pathetic than the meme that humans are boring in fantasy settings? It's just beyond dumb...

If the dominant race of the setting isn't giants, you are doing it wrong.

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You sound incredibly terrible to be around for any amount of time, you almost certainly don't play anything, and are an uncreative individual on top of everything else

>and are an uncreative individual on top of everything else
Ironic coming from the furfaggot who thinks shallow gimmick races are better than humans with actual complexity that makes them different from other humans.
>You sound incredibly terrible to be around for any amount of time
Furfags tend to think everyone else who doesn't also want to fuck dogs is persecuting them so it's not surprising.

what a brilliant refutation of our criticism of your inane, maladjusted fantasies.

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Human players are the worst kind of subhumans because they never make characters, they just make shitty power fantasy version of themselves
Women especially do this, everytime they make a human woman character it's always some 99 out of 10 supermodel that clashes with the tone of the game

>human fighter
Almost as pathetic as elf characters

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Alright this seems like a good place, I need some cool human NPCs stat. I'm talking the butcher, the baker, AND the candlestick maker.

>What is there to explore?

The vast amount of potential differences between human and non human cultures?

Special powers and stat differences that fundamentally change the roleplaying game; things that humans can't do but could be playable?

>You could have just made them humans
You could have just made a human character a non human. You could have made a male character female, or vice versa. This is a non-sequitur. You seem to believe that having characters be human as opposed to anything else is better despite not giving any reason as to why.

Not only did the original post not mention anthro in any way, but you're wrong. Anthro characters have immediate, strong animal stereotypes to support them. The lazy bear. The proud lion. The clever fox. The wise owl. Every single one of these works just fine as a character concept and could easily be deconstructed or added upon to become more interesting. Imagine the cowardly lion, or the hardworking bear who still has to hibernate every winter.

But then you'll say; THAT"S LAZY! Except those same stereotypes exist for humans, and your human characters your so proud of will still fallow some of these. The edgy sorcerer who has long black hair. The bronze skinned shredded barbarian totally not!Conan guy. The fat bumbling cleric. Stereotypes are great for making characters.

>Making human characters that are unique, interesting, and stand out from the crowd
Why can you not do this with a non-human character, or more specifically a anthro character? You seem to believe that playing an anthro character magically blocks someone from making an interesting or unique character. It's a Stormwind fallacy.

>le you want to fuck dogs buzzword

Oh, I didn't realize I was arguing with a retard. You can shitpost somewhere else, thanks.

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yeah and 99% you couldve instead of a wizard played a normal human dude
and 99% you could just set it in modern day france and holy shit do you not understand that sometimes you can make a choice for no reason other than aesthetics?

HFY fucks are truly the rick and morty fans of Veeky Forums

>The vast amount of potential differences between human and non human cultures?
No one has any valid point of reference, fuck off.
Anything you make up with is just baseless bullshit and likely a caricature of existing human cultures.
>Special powers and stat differences that fundamentally change the roleplaying game; things that humans can't do but could be playable?
This doesn't happen and you know it. Most popular role playing game in the world still operates on human with rubber forehead model.
>You seem to believe that having characters be human as opposed to anything else is better despite not giving any reason as to why.
Immersion, the ability of the reader to relate with the character.
The fact you need it spelled out for you outs you as a furfag. This is common sense in writing.
>Not only did the original post not mention anthro in any way, but you're wrong.
I was just shitposting before but holy shit you really are a furry.
Thank you, I don't even need to argue with you anymore. Other posters will see who is defending the non-human arguments and decide for themselves.

>Is there anything more pathetic
Quite an extreme reaction to people having different tastes in fiction.

>Other posters will see who is defending the non-human arguments and decide for themselves.
I decide you're both massive faggots

>create strawmen to bash to prop up their sense of intellectual superiority

>No one has any valid point of reference, fuck off.
>Anything you make up with is just baseless bullshit

Yeah, that's kind of the idea of fantasy.

>This doesn't happen and you know it. Most popular role playing game in the world still operates on human with rubber forehead model.

You obviously don't understand what a roleplaying game is. Obviously, I would want my players to roleplay more then the bare minimum, but a dwarf leading the way in a dark place because of his dark vision IS roleplaying. That's a fundamental part of the ROLEPLAYING GAME. Even if he is only a "human with a rubberforehead" he's fundamentally still playing the game with tools and powers different then a regular human would.

>Immersion, the ability of the reader to relate with the character.
You are correct about immersion being important, but what about characters with supernatural powers? What about playing the opposite gender, or playing older or younger characters? Characters of different social classes or levels of intelligence? What about playing characters in a world that is totally not our own? At some point the suspension of disbelief has to be used and you have to jump in to the exercise to have fun in imagination land. I just don't arbitrarily limit myself to humans only because I don't have a superiority complex, like yourself.

>The fact you need it spelled for you outs as a furfag
>holy shit you really are a furry
>thank you, don't even need to argue
>other posters will see who is defending the non-human arguments and decide for themselves
Epic.

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People who like specific races do so because they represent a certain type of culture. Humans, in most fantasy settings are shown as multicultural in the extreme, usually one for each major real world culture. Races on the other hand only get about two or three before leaning on subraces. Anyone playing a Race is either there for the specific culture or the stats.

So either destroy the Race/Culture divide like Shadowrun (for the most part) or
Humans should instead get their own specific culture (or at least a few) & not be given so many options. This would allow more diversification of the Race/Culture side of things & allow people to play more towards the character & origins than picking stats/culture specifically

I see that you are autistic, Thats about it really. Its not 2007 anymore, you don't have to keep virtue signalling about how much you hate furries. There are worse things on the internet now.

I don't really care about furfags ( I fap to antrho myself ) but it is really telling that whenever this subject comes up the furries comes out of the woodworks.
Don't see any elffags vehemently defending the existence elves. It's always the furries getting upset about even the idea of a human only setting.

>I don't really care about furfags ( I fap to antrho myself )

You're a furry.

and people say I hate fun for not letting them erp in my games.

OP's taking it to extremes.

>freaks who can't understand emotions
what

He is dehumanizing (heh) the enemy.

If you think human characters are boring, it's because you are an autistic freak who can only understand cartoonish exaggerations of the human condition.
...Is what OP means

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>Imagine the cowardly lion
I don't have to, there was that one movie a while back that already did this. I dunno if many people saw it, though.

I like a lot of elf stuff from the aesthetics to various thematic representations of them but the overall point wherein their alien nature makes them difficult to roleplay is on point.

The degree to which elves are relatable in fiction or easy to roleplay is the degree to which they aren't interesting. The generic D&D elf which is >100 years old but has the mentality of a 17 year old human is deeply dissatisfying and the broader point about how all of these various other nonhuman races in fantasy RPGs really are humans with rubber foreheads or humans in fur suits is likewise deeply dissatisfying.

The overarching problem with the players who revel in these non-human (but not inhuman) archetypes is a general lack of belief in essential qualities which is usually a character flaw rather than extension of some political belief, but these aren't mutually exclusive unfortunately. They are deeply rooted in the system of western dualism where mind/body are totally divided and so you can have a totally non-human character whose entire way of being is different from a human but nonetheless has a totally human psyche which is totally relatable to the player. The don't really even recognize that other people in real life have their own feelings and opinions which are separate from their own. That stage of development which most people have around early puberty where they fully develop a theory of mind has seemingly passed by huge swaths of the population and especially people who are involved in this hobby.

So gaining the ability to empathize makes you roleplay better?

There's a line of thinking that emerges that humans are picked when there's not a reason to go with anything else.
See, one someone picks a fantasy race either the race is totally irrelevant and you're doing it for an aesthetic or mechanical reason, or there's a real damn good story-related reason based around it.
So people without those things will often default to humans; as such, they end up becoming a kind of "Oh, I guess you had nothing else going huh?" mindset to some people.

It's like saying your favourite flavour of ice cream is vanilla. Nothing wrong with it, vanilla's a perfectly good flavour, but people just assume you haven't found an alternate flavour you really like for some reason because it's the default.

I play humans because I think humans are cool.
I'm not refuting you, but I will add that some people like humans

I find that people who think non-human races are inherently more interesting than human races are very stupid.

That said, I've only met one person who actually believed that.

you're gross

I think for most people yes, although 'empathy' is probably too expansive of a term. You can have empathy and poor theory of mind. Lacking a solid sense of the boundaries which exist between one's own mental state and those of others doesn't preclude having feelings for others, it just leads to a less nuanced understanding of others and projection of one's own mental state onto them. If you can feel sorry for yourself you can feel sorry for someone else, but unlike most people you can't empathize when someone else has a disparate emotional reaction to a shared experience.

Not being able to conceptualize different people feeling and thinking differently than oneself is going to inhibit roleplaying. A separate issue from empathy. Allegedly sociopaths are good at 'roleplaying' and have very low empathy but are acutely aware of how different other people are and observant of how those difference exhibit themselves behaviorally.

It's not a meme, it's a trope.
People deliberately make them boring even though they don't have to.

Also you sound like a dumbass.

>Is there anything more pathetic than the meme that humans are boring in fantasy settings?
The idea that playing a human automatically makes you interesting in comparison to non-human races.
Seriously, HFY fucktards always go on about stuffy elves and drunk dorfs yet their entire character concept boils down to a power fantasy that makes conventional mary sues look well rounded by comparison.

You're a butthurt retard.

HFY is only really bad when it comes to technology. Does anyone else hate when a HFY/milsperg over describes a piece of military equipment using highly esoteric language and an inane frame of reference?

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There is loads of potential in playing non-human (and by extension, non-elf, non-dwarf, etc) character if your DM is up to the task.

For example, I played a Gnoll. The setup was the rest of the party was looking for a guide through an expanse of rough ground and woods, in comes the loner Gnoll who is a loner and doesn't really like people, but hey, money is money.
Setup some cliches so the Gnoll takes a liking to the party and decides to go with them after the initial adventure is completed. Rest of the game features difficult dynamics like not being allowed inside most cities, fending off an angry lynch mob that decided even though they knew my character wasn't the perpetrator of a murder they'd kill me anyways. This one was fun because the party wasn't allowed to kill any of the townsfolk otherwise some deep shit would go down.
Communication was interesting as well since I could only speak limited 'common' and had to use a lot of gestures.
Ultimately the group fell apart and we never got too far in the campaign, but that was probably one of my favorite games.

>Non-human characters are bad because of my strawman
>No, human characters are bad because of MY strawman!
Well would you look at that, I just replicated this entire thread - and every thread like it - with a single post. We can all move on now.

At least this guy understands that it doesn't fucking matter what species you play in a game of pretend.

You know you are not helping your case by posting furry art, right?

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