What makes anime LN fantasy better than regular fantasy?

Flameblow
Flameblow

What makes anime LN fantasy better than regular fantasy?

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Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Adventurer guilds

happy_sad
happy_sad

Harem and sultan

SniperWish
SniperWish

Distance from some of the worst tropes and sacred cows of western RPGs, such as the idea that martials have to be "realistic" while casters can be reality warpers, elves that are literally the best at everything, faux-european technological stasis, alignments, and so many more. A fresh perspective and new ideas is nice. Shame so few of them have gained any serious market traction.

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Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

So what anime/LN is the OP ?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Lolis

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massdebater
massdebater

They go for the 'spectacular' instead of the 'realism'. They piggyback off the western settings for a base then add "It's fantasy, so it should be fantastical, right?"

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Flameblow
Flameblow

LN fantasy usually starts out serialized, either in magazines or on the web, which gives it more of a pulp vibe. Modern western fantasy takes itself too seriously or tries to be too 'epic' (for lack of a better word).

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

A ton of it steals from dragon quest and dragon quest is great.

FastChef
FastChef

For me the perks are added exoticism through less cultural familiarity and more variety in portrayed technology.

But there are also drawbacks, so I can't say I prefer them by default.
obsession with making the archetyp-iest archetypes to ever archetype
compulsive use of blatant self insert targets
compulsive isekai/videogame framing
settings are often under explored and merely incidental products of the characters
character "powerlevel" works metaphorical between individuals

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Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Firearms

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

this

takes2long
takes2long

It’s not, you’re just distracted by the fanservice.

Emberfire
Emberfire

The funny thing is most of the time the “exoticism” in LN’s, unlike in western fantasy, isn’t intentional. It’s actually the other way around: what we take as exoticism stems from the Japanese’ utter and complete inability to imagine people who aren’t Japanese (leading to the common VN scenarios where even though everyone is blonde and has a German name, they’ll STILL behave like modern Japanese people, talk like modern Japanese people, have the same sensibilities as modern Japanese people, and apologize bashfully to the 15 year old nun looking for a husband on their way from the church to the hot springs)

iluvmen
iluvmen

Do the Japanese have autism?

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

It’s a combination of being very insular and a very deeply ingrained sense of cultural superiority. As someone once put it, the reason the Japanese don’t speak English despite having such an excellent education system is that in the Japanese mindset, “it’s the foreigners’ loss for not speaking Japanese.”

Booteefool
Booteefool

apologize bashfully to the 15 year old nun looking for a husband on their way from the church to the hot springs

But what if she needs donations for her shrine?

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Illusionz
Illusionz

Is this some reference I’m missing?

Methnerd
Methnerd

They're like the Brits - insular and fiercely proud of their cultural heritage. Unlike the Brits though, they never experienced large-scale contact with other cultures, so they're hopelessly naive when it comes to people who are not Japanese. Even close neighbors like China and Korea are literally who tier to most Japanese.

Supergrass
Supergrass

It’s especially hilarious if you’ve ever been to rural Japan. Tokyo and Osaka are, comparatively speaking, extremely cosmopolitan cities. I’ve been to some villages in Aomori where children called me “oni” for having green eyes and people genuinely asked me if people in my country eat “pizza with their tea instead of rice”.

cum2soon
cum2soon

They always wanted to know about my bread-eating habits. Apparently eating bread is some sort of waito piggu sorcery.

Also, they were always astonished to find out that people regularly ate rice where I was from (southeastern United States).

SniperWish
SniperWish

15 year old nun looking for a husband on their way from the church to the hot springs
Just another day at the Disibodenberg monastery, really.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

did you tell them to just imagine bread in place of rice at their meals and thats pretty much how people eat in west? Our staple grain was wheat, theirs is rice

likme
likme

I grew up eating rice, corn, and potatoes as my staples mostly. I never really ate bread on its own like the Japanese eat rice (plain, nothing on it), so it's hard to convey.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

I think it's that the Japanese treat nuns like they do shrine maidens, who are allowed to marry (but they have to either stop being shrine maidens or become fully-ordained priests before they marry).

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

nothing
and definitely not oversized gloves and boots

likme
likme

This

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Emberburn
Emberburn

Well seeing how through the years bread has been reduced to an absolute shit-tier food with zero nutritional value I am not that surprised that they look down breadfags as plebs.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

They let the setting be fantastical. Western fantasy has a habit of keeping things grounded to the point where it often winds up being 'normal dudes + normal place + a wizard' or something equally banal. Of course Eastern fantasy also has an issue of not integrating their fantastical elements properly, but that's an issue of writing quality more than anything else.

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Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Cheesy bread is the shit tho

viagrandad
viagrandad

this why you are an eternal pleb

w8t4u
w8t4u

anime
good

Inmate
Inmate

Martials don't suck ass compared to Casters.

eGremlin
eGremlin

Complaining about anime
On Veeky Forums
A website made to discuss weeb culture

Imagine actually being this retarded.

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DeathDog
DeathDog

LN aren't anime tho

5mileys
5mileys

The settings themselves as demonstrated from the OP, with unconventional terrain and landscapes and truly fantastical places to explore divorced from some forest in New Zealand. Too bad the characters tend to be poor quality cliches most of the time, but you can't always have your cake and eat it.
All these people talking about martials
That's not really specific to LN fantasy and is more a general high-fantasy trope which most LN fantasy tends to be. Whenever LNs tend to tackle more traditional fantasy you get shit like Goblin Slayer and GATE.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

why do you have that many pictures of one dumpster?

girlDog
girlDog

Depends, but aside from having anime tropes and some interesting ideas I can't find much
When you compare top tier fantasy books with top tier LNs, most of the time the books will have better worldbuilding and better writing

In fact, any good LNs to recommend ?

hairygrape
hairygrape

the reason the Japanese don’t speak English despite having such an excellent education system
But many japs speak english ? I'd say most of the sufficiently educated do ?

Flameblow
Flameblow

It's amazing how retarded and mindless your post is, and how clearly you made it just to spam your shitty image.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

come say that to my baguettistan face faggot, I'll make you eat quality bread
Although I do agree that most people can't seem to make quality bread, the closest thing I've found to traditionnal french bread was in Germany
American """"bread"""" doesn't deserve it's name

whereismyname
whereismyname

You're right. Bread with a hole cute out of the middle, filled with an egg, THEN doused in cheese so it gets all melty, that's where it's at.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

amazing how a single image can still make idiots defensive

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

For the most part, nothing.

LNs are all garbage in terms of writing, and the vast majority of fantasy LNs are built from the ground up for maximum wish-fulfillment. They're the Japanese equivalent of D&D settings made by twelve-year-olds.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

you seem to think that we're talking about bread as a meal or something
we're talking about the quality of the bread itself here, not whatever disgrace you're stuffing it with

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

I don't read regular fantasy
I just make assumptions about it and then complain about what I think regular fantasy is

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

No focus on realism. Everyone knows about RPG mechanics.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Not baking your own bread to maximize nutritional value and taste, before turning it into a breakfast abonimation

If you're so eager to look down on people, perhaps you must first turn your gaze inwards.

Supergrass
Supergrass

Cute girls and a no shame.

farquit
farquit

Rape

TechHater
TechHater

Sounds like Americans and English desu.

likme
likme

The difference is that, however condescending and ignorant it is to insist on not learning other languages for such a reason, an American has a solid argument for that approach (the vast majority of places learn English, why should he waste his time learning their languages?), while Japanese is basically only spoken in Japan.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Quads of truth. What rustles me is that I've seen quite a few recent sci-fi franchises made by native English speakers where all languages except English are banned and this is treated as a good thing somehow.

Emberburn
Emberburn

they're actually allowed to have cute girls and their political insertions are completely contained within revenge fantasy shit like akumetsu without infecting other things.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

They don't give a single fuck about trying to stay realistic or reasonable. You want some crazy ass magical shit with swords and wings? It's fucking fantasy, you got it.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

They can but they don't

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

That's not just baguettistan, that's most countries with actual food quality standards.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

I know, look at you trying to defend that image.

Booteefool
Booteefool

revenge fantasy shit like akumetsu
Goddamn thanks for reminding me about that. Even their political stuff is jazzed up with silly shit. Akumetsu is basically Kamen Rider.

MPmaster
MPmaster

Not taking itself seriously

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

maximize nutritional value and taste
baking your own bread
Nothing you can make can reach the work of a professional that has worked hard for year to perfect his craft
You cannot buy the same ingredients as him, and you probably don't even have the same recipe or view of what good bread is
If you cannot trust an artisan on the quality of his work, you shouldn't trust your own either

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

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Dreamworx
Dreamworx

It's precious that Japanes people believe that the medieval Catholic church had to beg for small change in the same way that Shinto shrines do today. The idea of a church that owned huge amounts of land and received taxes, rents, and bribes from everyone from peons to kings would not be something they could process except maybe as a Final Fantasy villain.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

They aren't? Every fantasy LN I've read has poorly constricted settings, paper thin characters, scenarios that are explicitly wish fullfillment, and unnecessary erotic or edgy elements that reek of a teenage writer despite some of these authors being in their 30s.

That's not a good counter argument since you don't have to be a decades long artisan to bake your own bread. Much less make bread that is better than the shit sold in grocery stores.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

unnecessary erotic or edgy elements
I dunno, maybe you're just a faggot.

Inmate
Inmate

The idea of a church that owned huge amounts of land and received taxes, rents, and bribes from everyone from peons to kings would not be something they could process except maybe as a Final Fantasy villain.
Which is weird considering Buddhist monasteries were so powerful at one point they competed with Daimyo for land and fielded their own armies.

Emberburn
Emberburn

They still are, actually. I forgot which one it is but a certain shrine is technically one of Tokyo's greatest real estate powers, owning vast tracts of some of the most expensive land in the world.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

I forgot which one it is but a certain shrine is technically one of Tokyo's greatest real estate powers, owning vast tracts of some of the most expensive land in the world.
Isn't this one of the main Shinto shrines? IIRC Emperor is more of a Shinto pope than emperor in European sense of the world.

Emberburn
Emberburn

I like LN fantasy but rarely is it as well written as western fantasy- though partially because of how oversaturated their market is with minimal quality control.

They do however allow for more random and dumb ideas to happen and they just go with it. So it's sometimes nice seeing the new ideas they come up with.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

of course, I didn't take into account that you didn't have an easy access to such artisans in your country
in that case, sure, baking your own bread is way better than getting processed industry-grade bread
It's just not comparable to someone having an award for the quality of their bread, that's all I wanted to say

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

honestly this
and this

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Upside
they truly allow the fantastical to be fantastical - Martials can do amazing things, so can wizards, and they tend to be able to work fine together
fun variations on the usual ‘static pseudo-Europe’ setting, where they’ll throw in guns, clockwork, steampunk, diesel punk alongside the Roman Empire, swords, sorcery and dragons -often shit, but it certainly makes for some variation

Downside
isekai bullshit every fucking time, it’s like it’s the only story they can ever fucking tell
all protagonists are teenage boys and awfully obvious self inserts who end up with the
cute female secondary character who is incredibly proficient at what she does but also somehow massively naive or clumsy or both
also everyone is an autistic Japanese at all times, regardless of what their setting should actually sensibly be like, but it’s Jap fiction for japs so that makes sense

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Home made bread was all the rage a decade or so ago. Just buy one of those bois and forget about the nightmare that is store "bread" forever.

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farquit
farquit

Pretty much this, unless you've actually bothered to read anything recent, the majority of which hamfists literal video game mechanics into the settings.

cum2soon
cum2soon

implying japs don't suffer from repetitive tropes more than westerners do

StonedTime
StonedTime

harems, qt waifu grills, feminie boys. the bright colors and the positivity. also cute boys and girls

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Anime is all about quantity, not quality.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

I didn't take into account that you didn't have an easy access to such artisans in your country
What country is that? Are good bakers somehow exclusive to one area your country?

Just make your own bread no matter where you are, if you can't shop around for good ingredients yourself that's your own problem. And if I want to pony up for quality bread that's an option as well.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Anime and manga is a bit like commedia dell'arte, not about being original, but about how well you can execute stock characters and routines. Probably unintentionally because it's made by people who grew up consuming nothing but anime and manga.

idontknow
idontknow

at least their repetitive tropes are fun
more than I can say about the west's obsession with subversion

Techpill
Techpill

I like that their warriors tend to be supernaturally powerful using their bodies, chi/ki/whatever, and the vague implication that certain magics are innate to humans who just train hard enough. I think if we adopted that into western fantasy martials it would be a benefit.

Aesthetically I hate a lot of the architecture and armor/weapon designs of anime/vidya fantasy when it jumps off the rails, though. A dish tastes best when you use a small amount of ingredients to their best effect, throwing too many different flavors into the same dish just leaves you with something that tastes busy and unpleasant.

DeathDog
DeathDog

It's kind of funny how Western media is all about being original and subversive but at the same time it's nothing but remakes, reboots and sequels.

Methnerd
Methnerd

What does LN stands for?

Skullbone
Skullbone

Ownership and finances for Shinto shrines are very decentralized. A handful of the very old, important or well placed ones are incredibly wealthy, but lots of others are dirt poor.

It's varied a lot over time.
At present the emperor is extremely symbolically important to traditional Shinto practitioners (in particular people who are formally associated with Shrines). But as far as I'm aware the emperor has little to no role in contemporary Shinto as a spokesperson or a administrator.
There role is largely limited to the handful of rites which directly involve the emperor, and possibly backroom politicking, which is more or less invisible to the public and probably dealt with more by the emperors more politically engaged relatives.

Firespawn
Firespawn

Lawful Neutral

RumChicken
RumChicken

Nah, it's like this: Because you brought up the comparison to store bread, which obviously isn't fit for human consumption, he assumed that there are no real bakers nearbywhere you life, or that maybe they are amazingly expensive.
Kinda like this: Baker > Homemade > Store

Light Novel
It's similar to pulp fiction from Japan, I guess? They publish in series and contain some pretty pictures, but are mostly text.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

*Their role

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Light novel, it's like the middle point between manga and actual literature. Some illustrations, mostly text, lots of genre fiction garbage. Read by older kids, younger adults and emotionally retarded manchildren in Japan, idolized by western weaboos because it takes more knowledge of Japanese language to understand, meaning that having read it proves your power level.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

idolized
I wouldn't say that. I just read it out of necessity.
The writing in LNs is incredibly awful even if you know how to read moonrunes. The only thing is has going for it is that at least it isn't as bad as the western equivalent, ie Harry Potter and YA shit

Spamalot
Spamalot

What is with you fucking colonial animals that you absolutely MUST throw binary choices to anything and reducing any issue to "X or Y", with absolutely nothing in-between, other options or fucking point?
2/10, made me reply.

5mileys
5mileys

let's turn this thread to shit

what system would you use for a LN style game? One where casters and martials can both fuck shit up

iluvmen
iluvmen

mfw anime will never be seen as something to critically analyze beyond obscure neckbeard reviewers

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Emberburn
Emberburn

name anything good the west has produced

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Wasn't Ghibli nominated for a few films?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Normies already accepted Miyazaki and Shinkai. Just wait a few years and you will have "serious" critics talking about Euphoria.

MPmaster
MPmaster

Playing devil's advocate here:
Remember bollywood craze about a decade ago? Where they were everywhere and on everything? And how it then just as quickly died?
The reason is simple: while bollywood is EXTREMELY formulatic and pretty much has everything codified down to ready scenario templates with different songs (because even actors stay), it was something completely new to the Western audiences. Unique. Fresh. Of course, it was just a matter of it being new, rather than genuinely unique or fresh and once people realised what they are looking at, the hype instantly died.

Apply above to anime aesthetics and then multipy them by all the variations Japs can spin out of the biggest trite imaginable OR intentionally make a trite show to scratch all the stuff from the to-do list and get attention as being "homage" and you will understand why anime is not going to "die" in a long shot as a pop-culture phenomena

iluvmen
iluvmen

I can't name any that are truly good, but I can name a few that are entertaining and good "for a LN."

Mushoku Tensei
Guy reincarnated from birth in a fantasy world with all his memories. Uses said memories to get a head start on learning magic, which makes him seemingly OP (until he runs into a real power player). Interesting world and cool magic. Uses the adventurer guild thing, but doesn't use levels or other videogame mechanics.
Worst bit is that MC is a pervert and follows all the cliche pervert otaku tropes. It downs down a bit later, but it's quite annoying when it does happen.

Tensei Shitara Ken deshita
Trans: I was a sword when I reincarnated
Trope-filled as fuck, but cute and fun brain candy.
the LN itself starts slow since it follows just the sentient sword for half a dozen chapters, but by the time Fran shows up it gets good.
Uses levels and other video game mechanics, but they're mostly harmless. The manga might be better than the LN because it skips most of the solo sword stuff and the art is lovely

Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken
Kumo Desu ga, Nani ka?
Re:Monster
All of these are basically the same. MC is reincarnated as a monster(slime, spider, and goblin respectively), world used video game mechanics, MC gets OP fast.
Kumo Desu ga has the slowest increase in power and feels like it actually has stakes and danger, at least as far as I got into the story so far. Might be the best of the three.

Tenseishichatta yo (Iya, Gomen)
Just the fucking worst. It's so poorly written and passed, and the MC is so OP and struggles so little that it made me appreciate Mushoku Tensei (and this story copies Mushoku's premise entirely, too). Avoid at all costs.

Hachinan tte, Sore wa Nai Deshou!
Another shit storm. Protagonist is so OP and has so few struggles that being rewarded with a fortune too large to spend in a lifetime would be a running gag if this series was in any way self aware. Avoid.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

And then Ghibli happend. And before it, there was Akira, which is influencing the way how sci-fi is done ever since, probably even more in the West than in Japan

You literally couldn't be further away from the point I've made

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CodeBuns
CodeBuns

By "traditional French bread", do you mean baguette (inb4 "that's literally just the French word for bread", as, I too, did French in high school)? 'Cause you can't eat that shit the way you can normal bread.

the shit sold in grocery stores
Jesus fucking Christ, user, don't fucking buy that crap. Go for a bloody bakery, either something vaguely French (you'll know it when you see it) or a Vietnamese bakery (and enjoy the French shit they've got, plus their pork rolls). At the very worst, find something that a shop sells which is from a bakery (not as good as proper bakery bread, but passable).

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Illusionz
Illusionz

It's better in some areas, but much worse in others, so it's about the same. They both suffer from having their heads up their own asses and an inability to move away from their own tropes

viagrandad
viagrandad

And then Ghibli happend
What, you mean from the guy who hates anime? Ghibli is a pretty big outlier all things considered.

Akira
influencing the way how sci-fi is done ever since
Sure

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Anime is frequently not given serious consideration for academic/critical study because it falls into the same species of popular culture commodity as comic books, music videos, and computer games. These products are typically thought of as manufactured commodities rather than artistic creations.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

the list is entirely isekai shit and rpg mechanics shit

At least name some of the sasuga-bait shit if you're dead set on posting isekai.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

these same critics and academics will also seriously critique capeshit and absolute schlock like 80% of the oscar nominees this year

TreeEater
TreeEater

But they are right.

SniperWish
SniperWish

Jesus fucking Christ, user, don't fucking buy that crap
Please read the previous sentence before replying user. Obviously I'm saying store bought bread is bottom tier and you're better off making your own.

Nah, it's like this:
That's not how the chain went. The guy started off by saying that making your own bread was still an inferior option since "muh artisans". The point is that if he has a problem with shitty bread, making his own is still leagues better than buying a loaf from the grocery store and whether or not it's artisan quality is irrelevant.

Why the assumption that people don't have access to these professionals locally is unclear unless he's assuming that only some countries have dedicated bakers of quality.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Miyazaki has been accepted by normalfags for years. His movies are normalfag bait and Disney pushes his stuff hard because of it.

Miyazaki's movies are nicely animated, I just disagree with a lot of his stories. And I think Miyazaki himself is a pretentious hypocrite.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

What makes anime LN fantasy better than regular fantasy?
Being a weeaboo

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AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

I guess plate is popular because it is easier to draw than mail.

viagrandad
viagrandad

Actually anime (and manga) gets quiet a lot of academic attention. It's just that the attention is almost entirely from anthropologists/sociologists rather than from people who are concerned with studying literature.

cum2soon
cum2soon

he says, while posting a character from a japanese weeaboo game

Bidwell
Bidwell

Mail and leather look like shit. Medium armor half-assers are doomed to obscurity and side characters till the end of time, thank god.

whereismyname
whereismyname

In fact, any good LNs to recommend ?
Utsuro no Hako
popular in the West, Japanese hate it
"psychological" novel made by complete alien who doesn't understand humans
entertaining in so bad it's good way
Kamisu Reina
by the same author as Utsuro no Hako, I liked it a bit more

w8t4u
w8t4u

The fact that people like you stay the fuck out of actual fantasy.

Methshot
Methshot

kek

Methnerd
Methnerd

Oh man, I can't wait for another thread of "lol anime sux lmfao fuck off to /a/"

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Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

I was reading the girl who are a death God- and other stories by that author recently.

Really enjoyable overall with a focus on martials. There's a few mages here and there but relatively they're extremely weak.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

This has been my observation as well. There is a lot of attention payed to the types of trends in anime and how they revolve around things like otaku Culture (Hiroki Azuma's "database theory") and the phenomenon of Moe.

It also doesn't help that when I think of anime I see a lot of stuff that doesn't seem to have enough substance to really analyze from a literary perspective. What can I really get from going over Pre-cure with a fine tooth comb if I only look at the story?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

You're a pretentious little shit

Evilember
Evilember

Are you trying to tell me there has been a fantasy LN released in the last decade that is NOT isekai shit?
I'm not even being sarcastic. I honestly can't think of one that an isekai story, but I would love a recommendation if you have one.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

I welcome an actual counter argument because I don't claim to be absolutely correct.

TechHater
TechHater

actual fantasy
muh drizzt
muh grrm diarrhea

Illusionz
Illusionz

Sure if you choose precure. But there's plenty of philosophical anime and manga out there as well- lain comes to mind for example- and there's also a variety of niche manga that have societal criticism

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

drizzt
The west is even more talented at writing mary sues, yes.
grrm
The west will forever be superior world builders, correct.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

There's a lot, just not many are actual ~medieval~ fantasy.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

It helps to understand that a lot of Bollywood's artistic conventions are actually adaptations to Indian culture and only really make sense in that context (e.g. the dance numbers interwoven in love stories are used to replace more explicit shows of physical intimacy, which the relatively conservative Indians don't generally allow in their movies)

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

t. faggot who thinks anime is only for LOL TURN UR BRAIN OFF XD

DeathDog
DeathDog

Drizzt is a more interesting special snowflake in practice than most LN protags tbqh.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

grrm
good world builder
everything he does is aped from better authors
claims he focused on the nitty gritty of things like economics but doesn't actually show even the slightest knowledge of economics with nothing but hand wavey nonsense
political entities barely make any sense as if he just took a crash course on feudal systems and fiefdoms
geography barely makes sense and is completely phoned in

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

It kind of is tho

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

But stuff like Lain does get dissected, to death in this case, but those shows tend to make up the minority of any given season in which anime airs. So for every Concrete Revolutio (which was Japanese culture what Watchmen was to American) you get 5+ shows meant to be more shallow product selling endeavors.

There is anime worth analyzing, but it's still not the real "face" of what I perceive to be anime. Just the part I prefer.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

you are just objectively wrong, so not an argument

girlDog
girlDog

philosophical anime and manga
lain

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Inmate
Inmate

right because the japs sure know how to make a setting amirite

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idontknow
idontknow

That's fair. I guess I'll just have to stick to western novels to get my medieval fantasy fix.
Just picked up a book called "Pawn of Prophecy" from a used bookstore that was going out of business. It's a bit predictable, but I'm enjoying it so far.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

No I am correct you are incorrect

SniperWish
SniperWish

I don't know about you guys, but back in uni I got a lot of mileage out of analyzing anime. The professors were ecstatic at my work with exotic, new forms of non-Western media. Just emphasize how every single thing is an expression of Japan's unique, authentic culture and vaguely imply that it relates to their societal issues the west doesn't have - academics love to feel cultural superiority without having to sound racist.

RavySnake
RavySnake

lain
philosophical

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idontknow
idontknow

At least you've got two not!Continents, one non!Archipelago and some OC island instead of usual not!Europe or just not!Britain floating next to not!Lesser Asia.
You should have used Drakengard world map instead.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Can I ask what you studied?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Yes but so does everything.
I read hundreds of scifi/fantasy novels.
Most of them are just dumb fun.
They're better written than the typical LN because Ins are more like teen/young adult books rather than full novels. Comparing my sister is a mage and I stiff her panties to the foundation series is retarded. At most you should compare it to the vampire diaries.

TreeEater
TreeEater

I am having a hard time taking anyone seriously in this thread. Light Novel fantasy is some of the most repetitive, unimaginative, and poorly executed horseshit in existence. The number of diamonds among the shit is not fucking worth it and for everything that barely makes it to passable they are dozens, if not hundreds, of absolutely garbage examples.

Literally unless you're thinking solely with your dick you are absolutely moronic to think Light Novels have better offerings than western fantasy.

Snarelure
Snarelure

Communication, then psychology.

whereismyname
whereismyname

hur dur western fiction is SO MUCH MORE INTELLIGENT AND MATURE

Nojokur
Nojokur

Speaking of isekai bullshit, what the hell is up with Japan and mayonnaise?
It seems like every other isekai story has at least half a chapter dedicated to the protag making mayonnaise and everyone in the fantasy world who tries it falling in love with the flavor. A few of them even have the protag get rich off selling it.

Illusionz
Illusionz

Sounds like you have a brain. You don't belong here.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

They treat the elf slave wat do "conundrum" like any normal person would with the dick

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

The number of diamonds among the shit is not fucking worth it and for everything that barely makes it to passable they are dozens, if not hundreds, of absolutely garbage examples.
Welcome to all media everywhere since ever.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

4e

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Veeky Forums is infested with unintelligible weeblets

except japan suffers from this in spades compared to the west

hairygrape
hairygrape

It's a metaphor for jizz probably

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

mayo in japan is notoriously bad so the fact that isekai folk would like it is the inside joke

Playboyize
Playboyize

Light Novel fantasy is some of the most repetitive, unimaginative, and poorly executed horseshit in existence
I won't dispute that. But they're a guilty pleasure for me, and it's pretty easy to weed out the really bad ones by reading a few chapters of the manga first.

Snarelure
Snarelure

jesus christ you newfags are completely missing the point of the thread you damn speedreaders

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Interesting. I suppose it probably varies from place to place. I studied somewhere where there were lots of people who worked on Asian societies, so they wouldn't have been hostile to people writing about Japanese stuff, but also probably wouldn't have given you originality points for it.

It's not really a mystery. Japanese people like mayonnaise, and it's sort of become nativeized, (sort of like their idea of curry) so it's perfect for the obligatory 'protagonist introduces Japanese food stuff which everyone thinks is the most amazing thing ever' arc.

JunkTop
JunkTop

It's literally "Europeans love mayonnaise" joke, this time presented as an acute observation.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Good thread

Inmate
Inmate

Excellent post

Flameblow
Flameblow

superior western worldbuilding

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MPmaster
MPmaster

superior jap worldbuilding

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viagrandad
viagrandad

At least you can draw a map of western fantasy settings. It seems like fantasy LN's are generally allergic to creating a logical connection between locations and it makes drawing a map from textual descriptions impossible much less the author providing a map of their own.

5mileys
5mileys

Cute wolfgirls

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massdebater
massdebater

Even our shitty special snowflake characters are unique. Look at Narnia. More character between 4 people than there is on one "I was hit by a truck and summoned to a magical realm. Time to use my CHEAT ABILITIES to rape everything with a hole!"

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Except GW did it deliberately so that they can insert their britwank and banter into their magical realm.

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PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

have you even read any fantasy/isekai LNs?

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Is this an actual thing

WebTool
WebTool

Yes, go ahead and tell me where things are in relation to each other in say; Goblin Slayer?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

goblin slayer is now an LN
nigga what

farquit
farquit

he doesn't know

Snarelure
Snarelure

Drakengard's world is supposed to be a parallel world to ours though.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Japanese fantasy
all over the world
includes various races and ethnicities
willing to take the point of view of different civilizations and society

western fantasy
everyone is white
western fantasy in Asia
everyone does kungfu
except the white protagonist who is even better. And is somehow now a samurai despite being European.

5mileys
5mileys

I enjoyed Grimgar because it focused on the losers of the group, struggling hard to achieve their goals. No protagonist wank. Only real isekai elements are brief references that could just as easily be removed entirely without effecting the story. Only game-y things are the special moves that each character learns from their respective teachers.

Also I'm still mad Moguzo dies like a bitch.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

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girlDog
girlDog

Consider this. Leleuch was white but the writer was Asian

Meanwhile all the hobbits are basically white as is the author.

cum2soon
cum2soon

all my exposure to western fantasy is limited to 80s B-movies

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Code Geass is Science Fiction though?

How about the MC of Overlord being japanese, or the MC's of Grimgar being Japanese, or the MC of Fate being japanese. Etc, etc.

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Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Someone give me a list of 80s fantasy b-movies.

King_Martha
King_Martha

Britwank

Britain, in Warhammer's Old World, was an island of giants, naked barbarians, and druids. Bretonnia was French, like Brittany. The main characters were Germans.

There was no Britwank.

idontknow
idontknow

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fantasy_films_of_the_1980s
If you haven't heard of it, it's probably a B-movie.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

overlord
But the character is a skeleton
fate
Is an autist which is also inclusive

The authors in Japanese novels are willing to turn them into a different ethnicity to fit the setting even if they're originally from Japan.
Meanwhile western fantasy just forces everyone to be white.

girlDog
girlDog

The authors in Japanese novels are willing to turn them into a different ethnicity to fit the setting even if they're originally from Japan.
While letting that character retain everything that makes them japanese and wowing the !english people with how great a katana is, or how great japanese cooking is, or how honorable he is (which is also a japanese trait).

Not seeing your point here because it seems you are forgetting that even when someone gets reincarnated, they are explicitly still japanese and make the world bend to their will.

viagrandad
viagrandad

Fuck off, tumblr. You don't know what you talk about and just extrapolate your preconceived notion of what Western media is.
Besides, maybe all non-whites make their characters white so often because they secretly want to be white.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

muh inclusivity
muh representation
muh ebil whyte peeple
this is Veeky Forums not tumblr

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

High Elves is modern Britain, Dark Elves is edgy America

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

They have Japanese memories but Japanese culture being superior is rarely brought up in fantasy settings. That's more a modern fantasy thing where nippon strong takes place. In typical medieval fantasy settings the Japanese part is usually thrown away .

And anyways what's with the fixation on isekai stories? Those are the lowest of the low of LNs and usually exist as published fan fiction.
Try removing the isekai tag when searching for LNs next time.

The last book I read actually had them freaking out over potatoes rather than rice or anything Japanese.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Americans basically don't have to learn anything other than English. There's a tiny little French area up North and a Spanish hellhole down South and that's it. An American can travel a span of ground twice the length of the entirety of Europe and never leave English speaking territory. Then they can circle Northwards and do it again, and again, and again, until they hit somewhere in the Northern part of Canada where there aren't any people to speak any language at all. Canadians could do it if they weren't legally required to include French on everything.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Japanese culture being superior is rarely brought up in fantasy settings
You don't read japanese Light novels then. Not even Isekai, but for some reason things like Katana's being OP exists whenever a fantasy world exists as Japan is more than willing to supply an Eastern Expy for their own culture.

Just because you read one book about irish farmers doesn't mean that's the bulk of LN fantasy worlds.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

making your own bread was still an inferior option since "muh artisans"
Yes, this is factually true, are you denying that artisan bread > homemade ?
I don't have any problem with shitty bread since I don't consume it, I'm only warning other people about it and those that fall into the idea that homemade = quality
buying a loaf from the grocery store and whether or not it's artisan quality is irrelevant
No it fucking isn't
My country (Baguettistan in case you were wondering) has dedicated bakers of quality with a whole system dedicated to rewarding competent bread-makers & pastry-makers with various national awards & the like. Bakeries will proudly show of these, especially if X has won several awards, and people will flock to those with the best quality, which will prompt those baker to hire competent people and offer a better service in general
Most french villages will have one to three different bakeries (mine has four but it's more of a small town), and if one of them doesn't offer quality breads then you can still go to the neighboring towns and buy it there

Why the assumption
I'll spell it out more clearly for you:
only have industry bread
making your own is relevant, you shouldn't be forced to eat litteral shit
having bakeries nearby
making your own is less relevant, but it's still an okay choice if you're already equipped or are confident in the quality that you can get from your own work
have artisan nearby
no need for homemade bread whatsoever

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

If you remove isekais most fantasy books that aren't set in modern time arernt about Japan. There's some that exist in a Japanese only world, which given that's what the author knows makes sense, but in those cases outside cultures aren't really in place.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

The authors in Japanese novels are willing to turn them into a different ethnicity to fit the setting even if they're originally from Japan.
What fucking light novels have you been reading? If Japan exists then the main character is at least half Japanese, I can only think of one counter example.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

I can only think of one counter example
what is World Masterpiece Theater

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

When looking for LNs here's a tip
Exclude the isekai, harem, ecchi, and overpowered protagonist tags.

Filters our the large majority of blatant crap.

Lunatick
Lunatick

Yes, this is factually true, are you denying that artisan bread > homemade ?
No, I clearly said Artisan > Homeade > generic grocery store. Please pay attention

No it fucking isn't
I mean if you're going to cut off the words preceding that statement we can't have a conversation. the full quote should be
The point is that if he has a problem with shitty bread, making his own is still leagues better than buying a loaf from the grocery store and whether or not it's artisan quality is irrelevant.

Also
not learning to make your own bread and perfecting your own recipe
You must be real lazy to not want to spend some of your time making your own bread and instead wanting someone else to do it for you every time. Why not make your own if you have the means too?

Evilember
Evilember

Jesus h Christ, go back to to /ck/ already. Do you have any idea how fucking autistic it is to argue about fucking BREAD as long as you have here? If you kept it to the place where those kinds of ramblings are expected that would make some sense at least, but right now the both of you come off as that autistic kid who can only speak about that one subject of interest and always tries to change the topic back to it.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Nothing WMT animated was light novels, the fuck are you talking about?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Even close neighbors like China and Korea are literally who tier to most Japanese
Except for all the rape I guess.

viagrandad
viagrandad

But what does it leave?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

My condolences

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Do you have any idea how fucking autistic it is to argue about fucking BREAD as long as you have here?
two cute girls best friends from baking club become bitter rivals on 2channel over bread
pick one of the girls' childhood friend Generic MC No.87739 to be the judge of their contest
Dengeki Novel Prize-winning LN in the making here.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

There is literally a manga all about baking bread. It's shonen and It's as autistic as you might imagine

King_Martha
King_Martha

There is literally a manga all about baking bread.
I know. There is also an autistic manga about cute girls arguing over what bread tastes the best that recently got made into anime.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Some halfway decent LNs.

massdebater
massdebater

There is literally a manga all about baking bread
There are three I can think of.

likme
likme

High Elves: Britain as seen by Brits
Dark Elves: Britain as seen by the rest of the world

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Japan is at it's best when it's aping western tropes
Everything by Kojima
Dark Souls
Hating minorites

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Is the Grimgar LN any good ("good" here meaning not egregiously shit)? I watched the anime and it was nice to have some isekai where the MC is nothing special and has to work hard to achieve anything, but I find it hard to believe that lasts.

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Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Never read it, but I've read other LN by the same author and, oh boy, was it pretentious "tragic" shit.

cum2soon
cum2soon

No it fucking isn't
I mean if you're going to cut off the words following that statement we can't have a conversation
the full quote would be
My country (Baguettistan in case you were wondering) has dedicated bakers of quality with a whole system dedicated to rewarding competent bread-makers & pastry-makers with various national awards & the like. Bakeries will proudly show of these, especially if X has won several awards, and people will flock to those with the best quality, which will prompt those baker to hire competent people and offer a better service in general
Most french villages will have one to three different bakeries (mine has four but it's more of a small town), and if one of them doesn't offer quality breads then you can still go to the neighboring towns and buy it there

why aren't you learning how to make bread ?
so you're a retard then
why do you think that "easy to make bread" kits are unpopular in France ? Because there are bread artisans everywhere who can make over 20 different varieties, each with a quality that trumps everything that any kit can make (or any non-professional for that matter)
How many types and categories of quality bread can you think of ? then how many subtypes can you give me from these ? If I go into a bakery, I can choose from baguettes, epis, fougasses, boules, en miche, bagnat... and from I can choose it to be tradition, complet, bis, de campagne, brioché, au seigle, au levain, au son, au froment... In the end, I'll get a fuckton of variations and a level a quality that surpasses homemade. Hmm, I wonder why I'd go buy there instead of making my own...

Techpill
Techpill

Shut the fuck up OP, we're talking about BREAD !
so you've never seen this sentence then
fuck off newfag

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

this is litteraly a quality bread

MPmaster
MPmaster

I'm a massive weeb and I fucking hate all of you that answered with shit like "it doesn't try to be realistic" or "it's more fantastical".
HAVE YOU FUCKING CUNTS EVER READ ANY FANTASY BOOKS OR DO YOU JUST ASSUME THAT EVERYTHING IS GAME OF THRONES?

Techpill
Techpill

I mean if you're going to cut off the words following that statement we can't have a conversation
Like I've been saying, whether or not the bread is artisan is irrelevant because homeade bread will still be better. Being this uptight about whether or not the bread is award winning is just you being stereo typically french and turning your nose up to anything that hasn't gotten 15 certificates of authentication attached to it.

Good bread is good bread, there might be better but who cares as long as you aren't buying white bread from Jewel Osco.

why do you think that "easy to make bread" kits are unpopular in France ?
I don't by your own words you think that the presence of a baker automatically means you shouldn't make your own. You're pretending that people can't just make their own stuff because you're a snob for always having MUH ARTISAN bread. I like to make my own shit, I know I'm not as good as a 5-star chef but it's my bread and I like it and work to refine it just like I refine my chili recipies. Who knows, maybe I'll make something that rivals your famous french bread.

And to actually make this somewhat not a waste of time. Wasn't there a sandwich-based RPG in the past?

w8t4u
w8t4u

because homeade bread will still be better.
Whoops, I mean better than store bought.

TreeEater
TreeEater

Drizzt is shit too, nerd

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

there are only two western fantasy novel series
drizzt and got

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Malazan is middlebrow shit for people who want a bad version of the simmarilion.
You can't act like hot shit when you're reading fucking genre fiction.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

there are only three western fantasy novel series

whereismyname
whereismyname

Hell, I'd forgotten about Akumetsu. Gonna have to go reread it now.

Illusionz
Illusionz

I'm wondering where all the Japanese fantasy isekai is.
China has Chinese settings out the ass, but Japan seems obsessed with psuedo-western settings,

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Japan is obsessed with three kingdoms shit dude. There's a lot of media for it

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

three kingdoms
Japanese
C'mon now

idontknow
idontknow

You said obsessed with pseudo western, they love plenty of none pseudo western things

happy_sad
happy_sad

I've never seen any three kingdoms shit out of Japan, man. Sengoku Jidai, sure, but never three kingdoms

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Oh they definitely can, it's just that they don't. It's one of the biggest things to stress to anyone going over to Japan for business. Watch what you say around everyone, they understand and can speak English but choose not to and even go so far as to act like they can't by having translators present.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

A lot of modern isekai is based on the epiphany that what many teenagers really want is just for video games (especially MMORPGs) to be real. Japs associate RPGs with western settings due to Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest, which are based on older western RPGs, and that's the norm for MMOs too.

Emberburn
Emberburn

Dynasty Warriors?
Japan also had a hand in funding some Three Kingdom drama.

askme
askme

That’s it. I’m sick of all this “melon pan” bullshit that’s going on in anime right now. Baguettes deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.
I should know what I’m talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine baguette in France for 17,500 Euros (that’s about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my baguette.
French bakers spend years working on a single baguette and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest breads known to mankind.
Baguettes are thrice as sharp as Japanese breads and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a melon pan can cut through, a baguette can cut through better. I’m pretty sure a baguette could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash.
Ever wonder why the Mongols never bothered conquering France? That’s right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined bakers and their baguettes of destruction. Even in World War II, German soldiers targeted the men with the baguettes first because their killing power was feared and respected.
So what am I saying? Baguettes are simply the best bread that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better representation in anime.

Spamalot
Spamalot

Still waiting for Cathay (and Nippon to a lesser extent) to be confirmed for Total Warhammer 3.

King_Martha
King_Martha

DATABASE DATABASE I'M LIVING IN THE DATABASE WOW WOW

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Firespawn
Firespawn

Because it's heavily based on D&D, with all its weirdness intact.

Whereas most Western TTRPGs (even modern D&D itself) actively fight against their mechanics, letting wizards cast Teleport and Mind Blank and wade through lava while claiming to be just like Lord of the Rings.

In D&D, characters are expected to have four level-appropriate encounters per day and level up after every 13 encounters. It feels longer in actual play, but in a combat-focused campaign where you don't spend days-off talking to NPCs this means that a lv1 adventurer can reach lv6 (making them equivalent to the greatest real-life athletes who ever lived) just by training for three days. THREE DAYS. Reaching lv20 takes a little over two months.
The bizarre thing is that most DMs don't *want* the PCs to go all Dragonball Z like this... but instead of changing the mechanics, they just make it the elephant in the room. If a wimp disappears for a week and comes back with the ability to block bullets with his abs, then neither the PCs nor the NPCs are allowed to point out how weird that is, and instead must act as if they trained for decades no matter how illogical that gets.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Used to be Japan was all over the Sengoku era in terms of setting their fantasies in, but then at some point someone realized Japanese kids nowadays just want Azeroth.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Yes but a melon pan is more delicious

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Watch what you say around everyone, they understand and can speak English but choose not to and even go so far as to act like they can't by having translators present.
Everyone in international relations uses translators even if they don't need them. There's a difference between "speaking English", "being confident in your English" and "speaking English precisely and charismaticly enough to win against a native speaker who wants you to get the short end of the stick".

iluvmen
iluvmen

tfw you will never be called a demon by tiny japanese children.
life is suffering in ways I didn't even know.

Methnerd
Methnerd

I hate to be mean, but this guy isn't entirely wrong. LNs are basically "amazon e-book" tier stuff. Sure, there's some decent ones, but most of the time its what the author wanted to write rather than stuff that could make it past serious editors.
Not that major publishing houses don't also produce absolute trash, but the barrier is there to catch some of it.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

I grew up with one of those
Fresh bread every day, in styles you couldn't get at the store.
One of the few things I miss from my childhood.

eGremlin
eGremlin

They have Japanese memories but Japanese culture being superior is rarely brought up in fantasy settings.
This is the level of racist ignorance I would expect from a Tumbrina trying to poopoo ypp by raising up minorities with no idea about who those minorities really are and what their culture is.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

yeah, like 5.

Methnerd
Methnerd

So this is what French Autism looks like.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

I don't know, LN fantasy tends to annoy me in certain ways much more reliably than other kinds. Sure, they can pull out some crazy, fantastical things, but their hurry to get into that sort of thing sets the pacing at stupidly fast levels while rendering cool stuff completely mundane within a chapter or two, forcing them to contrive increasingly ridiculous nonsense to continue upping the ante. Plus, their protagonists are often very irritating; they're generally overpowered to the point there's no actual tension, and they tend to either be a dull, passive "everyman" treated as a vehicle for the audience, or an insufferable edgelord.

viagrandad
viagrandad

If you haven't read Death Mage Doesn't Want a Fourth Time, you should, it's a pretty fun read. It's basically shlocky power fantasy but with a couple fun twists. It also doesn't hurt that the translator is actually competent and not intelligible.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

You know, there's this great rpg that fixes most of those problems. Martial abilities are a central battle maneuvers that were created by magically infused individuals, and can be taught to anyone.

Elves don't exist.

It isn't based on the works of Tolkien

No alignment system, though there is a universally evil corrupting influence that causes your character to become an NPC.

While there are no guns, there isn't technology stasis. Small pockets of technological advancements in mechanization, and even one instance of electricity, are slowly spreading accross the world. And this is all given a good (if difficult to find) explanation.

And guess what? it's French!

MPmaster
MPmaster

It's because Japanese geography is absolute shit for adventuring. Moving around inside of Japan in the era before powered locomotion was relatively difficult and even if you did get around, the places you'd find wouldn't differ that much from where you came from.

Compare this to Europe. You have strong cultures that cling to major trading zones (like rivers) combined with a mostly flat topography that makes it easy to travel from one end to the other. You can easily walk for a few weeks and end up in a place that's almost completely alien in culture and practice.

StonedTime
StonedTime

Wrong post, meant to respond to

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Well, what game is it?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

It's French
So it's trash then, like most French culture.

takes2long
takes2long

Unlike the Brits though, they never experienced large-scale contact with other cultures
I distinctly recall a certain country having a rather large-scale contact with Japan and its culture.

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Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

no you fucking dipshits, the japanese fucking love mayo. They put that shit on everything, even pizza. Its fucking disgusting.

hairygrape
hairygrape

Especially their shitty bread.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

God, their bread is the worst. Even grocery store bread is definitely better.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

They do have cute lesbians, though.

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Illusionz
Illusionz

You're a dumpster!

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Quads of truth. What rustles me is that I've seen quite a few recent sci-fi franchises made by native English speakers where all languages except English are banned and this is treated as a good thing somehow.
Please name a few.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Their mayo is also a bit different than American mayo. It has greater acid content which makes it tangier.

hairygrape
hairygrape

Compared to British colonialism, this was relatively short-lived. Also, you could find colonial diaspora living in England and the US as early as the 1800s, and nowadays the descendants of those former colonial diaspora often make their way to the upper echelons of Anglo society.

Compare this to say, the zainichi in Japan, which are almost an invisible minority comparatively speaking.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Most fantasy anime is shit though. If you want to see japan do fantasy well play a jrpg or something. And light novels aren't anime, they're fucking books

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

They aren't worried about social justice or being politically correct.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

This, it's refreshing as fuck to not have to deal with King Arthur and Niggerlot because you have to fill out your daily quota of watching people in specific skin colors if you want to get immersed in a fantasy universe.

FastChef
FastChef

Not to mention that the women actually behave like women. Even the lethal ones are still very feminine, and still like men. It's rare for them to be dykes.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Fucking amen brother

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Anime women behave nothing like actual human beings, let alone women

JunkTop
JunkTop

Underage retards that whine about SJW boogeyman have no idea how anything works outside of anime.

King_Martha
King_Martha

user says this fulling knowing that Japan has a huge boner for white people and include white people and not!white people ( they are actually haafu ) in a shit ton of anime even where it's not even close to the theme of the show.

Replace all the europeans with africans and you would be shitting yourself about diversity being forced in Japan

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Anime women don't behave like women
Poor user, we aren't talking about the western "women" who think heterosexuality is a sin, but ACTUAL sane women. Oh and they exist, I know from experience.
Which historical or based on legend shows are those?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

user says this when Japan is having a population collapse because the women there are so entitled they demand increasingly successful salarymen as their partners leading to an entire counterculture of underachiever virgins.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Maybe you should try talking to some women, those that don't die from your B.O anyway

TechHater
TechHater

This. Anime women are entirely a response to how thoroughly mate selection has broken down in Japan.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Don't project your own problems onto me desu~

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

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Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Just going to leave this here. Japan has it's own problems but holy shit the stuff I've seen the west talk about.
medium <dot> com/@GarrettRobinson/fantasy-women-921010c4d78a

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Archive that, don't give them clicks.

iluvmen
iluvmen

If it ain't broke don't fix it

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

archive.li/j8Oni#0%
Honestly forgot that archiving was a thing

Illusionz
Illusionz

You say but you don't know if something is broke or how to fix something

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Japan is an example of how you do it right.

idontknow
idontknow

Too late sir fagalot.
Said the faggot that does not know how to do anything right.

whereismyname
whereismyname

It's Hunter X Hunter's map of the known world, yeah. Though it doesn't actually matter in practice.

Emberburn
Emberburn

population collapse
No they are merely returning to a sustainable rate, which ALL countries (looking at you china india africa and usa) should be doing. There is no need for so many god damn people, especially when we lead such wasteful and destructive lives.

DeathDog
DeathDog

returns a 503.

Emberburn
Emberburn

Agone. It's really good

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SomethingNew
SomethingNew

archive.is/j8Oni

Firespawn
Firespawn

I'll never understand people like this.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Try again without a dick in your ass.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Know how we can all tell that youv'e never been to Japan, much less spoken to a Japanese woman?

RumChicken
RumChicken

I just don't see the point in critiquing a piece of fiction based on its gender diversity. Even in his example pic at the top there's three topless dudes in roman skirts and little else (with less coverage than the chick, even). It's not even hard to find strong women in fiction these days.

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farquit
farquit

The US is ridiculously *underpopulated* though. If it were to have the population density of say, Germany, the US's population would be roughly 2 billion people. This underpopulation has traditionally been one of the biggest problems when it comes to development in the United States.

DeathDog
DeathDog

That varies very strongly by location and largely has to do with the presence of metropolitan development, which is governed by economic factors.

It's a bit of a misnomer to say the U.S. is underpopulated and probably more accurate to say that the continental U.S. doesn't do much to support the growth of dense cities, particularly with so much of the country being open plains, mountains, or desert.

Techpill
Techpill

The difference is that unlike Germany there are significant parts of the US not fit for human habitation (deserts, mountains). Japan's got this even worse.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

The vast majority of the continental US is habitable though. If you look at arable land as a percentage of total land, the US is just under Germany. I dunno where this meme of the US being mostly vast swathes of uninhabitable wasteland comes from, because it's patently not true. We're underdeveloped and underpopulated, not uninhabitable.

And in any case, even if every American family went out and had 3+ kids tomorrow, it'd still take us more than two centuries to reach the population density of Germany.

Meanwhile, by populating the country, economies of scale would make more efficient transportation (via infrastructure development) and industry possible, thus lowering the total resource footprint of each person.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

You'd also ruin much of the wilderness.

RumChicken
RumChicken

It's not that it's sorcery. It's that white people, and especially Americans (which is how Japan assumes all white people are), do a eat a lot of bread. Bread is a staple food in a lot of white cultures.

And because these dietary habits travel with us, when the Japanese see foreigners, they see that almost every meal involves bread in some capacity.

However, bread is not a staple food in their culture like it is in ours. Instead their staple food is rice. So just like we in the west thing "man those asians eat a lot of rice" they think "man those gaijin eat a lot of bread"

King_Martha
King_Martha

did anyone said lolis?

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TechHater
TechHater

Having grown up on JRPGs and anime, I find an extreme minority of modern fantasy LNs to have anything resembling original ideas. They're all retreading worn ground, and only a newfriend could consider their perspective fresh.

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idontknow
idontknow

tfw, non-American who daydreams of living in the middle of nowhere in the US and shooting people who enter my property uninvited