What is your favorite classless system, Veeky Forums?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

What is your favorite classless system, Veeky Forums?

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LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

GURPS. Bonus points for costs defined by labor theory of value.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

the gulag

whereismyname
whereismyname

Agone
Combat has a few kinks, but nothing that isn't easily fixed, and the setting is absolutely awesome. The character building is fantastic for it's brand of high fantasy as well, and its not just another LoTR clone.

viagrandad
viagrandad

Burning wheel, but because of things completely unrelated to its classlessness

Inmate
Inmate

BRP in general, and Mythras specifically.

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Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Should have expected that a commie homebrew for GURPS exists, I actually wonder if there's something which doesn't
Had a chuckle
Will look into it
Because of setting or particular mechanics?

Playboyize
Playboyize

That's a flowchart for a technician, not an engineer.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Yeah, an engineer's flowchart would have thing like "write a 14 page technical report", "hold a meeting with four floor supervisors, at least one vaguely related specialist, and at least one middle-upper management guy", and "try to fix it and hit yourself in the hand with a hammer even though you're applying wd40 and shouldn't even have a hammer".

takes2long
takes2long

How else am I going to take my sick days/work related accident insurance out?

5mileys
5mileys

But were you wearing safety glasses?

JunkTop
JunkTop

Where I work the engineers get bright yellow hard hats so we know who needs adult supervision. So they probably weren't wearing any PPE.

SniperWish
SniperWish

I'm partial to Legend Quest.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Too many to count. Not being a faggot, I generally don't use classful games.

MPmaster
MPmaster

GURPS, but GURPS is also the AnCap of tabletop.

Inmate
Inmate

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Gigastrength
Gigastrength

La creatura

JunkTop
JunkTop

New world of darkness.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

It's a mistake to assume that class *itself* is the issue with the class system norm. Rather, you have to turn class assignment on it's head. Instead of giving each player a single class with a hard restrictive overarching theme, do the very opposite. Use classes as microstatements that refer to just a single bit or theme of a character's design, and they gradually collect more as they grow and develop up to a maximum development.

So "heavy armour" is a class, as is "horseback", "sneaky", "berserker" and so on. You can go as granular or refined as you like. Certain classes may be concilable with each other and others may not, some classes may be subtypes of another class and can be rolled together if all the subtypes are taken together. And some classes may be tiered, so you can't take "Wizard" without "Mage". Otherwise encourage flexible design at all levels and let players build up their overall character classification.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Atomic Highway and to a lesser extent Barbarians of Lemuria.
Good shit and the character creation can be done quite fast

hairygrape
hairygrape

Cool, will check them out
Italian GdR?
Fair enough
Wasn't meaning to stir trouble otr talk about "issues" with this thread, but w/ever.
What you're saying is basically make every feature of the game a class? Sort of a very extended proficiency system?
...doesn't that exist already?
It looks fairly better than v1, thank you
Didn't know they dropped it, nifty

hairygrape
hairygrape

Of course you were looking to talk about issues, that's the reason why you're looking for alternatives to the predominant class system. If you didn't feel there were issues with it on some level, you'd be content with it and wouldn't look for alternatives.

What you're saying is basically make every feature of the game a class?
Pretty much yeah. Classes are meant to be descriptive of the features of a unit, going beyond bone-dry stats and uselessly-precise gear listings. There are obvious overall themes and designs for units and this is meant to capture those basic elements. It's like a building block system for your character.
Sort of a very extended proficiency system?
Yeah pretty much exactly like this, but maybe better or something. I'm not looking at "proficiency" as in "the character is good at this", so much as "the character *does* this, end of story". So not all characters do assassination, not all characters wear heavy armour.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Of course you wanted to complain, you asked people what they like

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Should have expected that a commie homebrew for GURPS exists, I actually wonder if there's something which doesn't
No homebrew, friend. Official GURPS crafting rules have item value closely linked to labour required to make it.

hairygrape
hairygrape

I've had an inkling for a very similar sort of system, though recently I've found that keyword and effect based systems can satisfy that itch with similar sorts of conceptual advancement. Though not with as satisfying theming, and there's something to be said for that.

I think my ideal would pull inspiration from Fantasy Craft's species/specialty/class system, and its feats; Gamma World 7e's 'character origin' system, and it's powers; and Dungeon of Dredmor's skill-based advancement, Warrior/Wizard/Rogue passive progression, and the way skill advancement can grant unique passive or active abilities.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

user, you know that not everything on this site is bait... right?
Pretty much
WELL THEN, time to bring the proletarian dream to life!
You could probably mash them together, given some core concepts you want to balance the game around
Not sure how much time it would take tho

Firespawn
Firespawn

Mutants and Masterminds

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Who said anything about complaints? Picking on negatives and searching for positives are different activities. One is trying to find an issue, the other just assumes the issue and works from there.

Bidwell
Bidwell

Kewl, I'd like to see what you'd implement

That's your mindset percieving bait where there is none, not mine. This entire discussion is in earnest. Never be an ironybro.