Veeky Forums i need a career advice

study business informatics if you are interested in business topics and management of it projects. if you're a social guy and with your practical experience you have good chances for well payed job

go to berlin
devops for early stage VC funded startup
get equity
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There are multiple options.
>Marketing with focus on IT
If you ever want to make money by yourself you should learn how to market anyways. There are thousand of possibilities if you can market products/services:
>Join Startups (even crypto startups)
>Sell your own products (Check out Amazon FBA, Dropshipping from Alibaba, etc)
>Sell social media marketing

You don‘t even have to be the crazy social marketing guy. In todays day and age you can make tons of money just knowing your way around things like SEO, Social Media, Online Marketing, Online Shilling etc

With you knowledge of server structures, automatisation etc. you have an edge over the other guys wanting to do the same but coming from a different field. Even if you didn‘t learn programming, the world is becoming more and more digital. With crypto you are already on the forefront of technology, why not start to do the same as your job?

If that helped you a little, would love to increase my LINK stack:
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I see suggestions for devops. Thats what i actually thougjt of doing also.
Is it a good respectable field?

What should i learn?
Chef, docker, ruby etc?

When I was 17 quite a few years ago I did exactly what you just stated as well. After the first semester of "basic usage of vista, introduction to operating systems, Intro to VB(the only programming course in the curriculum), and Intro to databases (which literally had no applicable coursework, in fact didn't even require a computer to complete), I said "what the fuck is this shit" and switched majors. I pity the poor souls who stuck it out

Why the fuck isn't this girl wearing a bra?

Learn to program then, you stupid fuck.
You were lucky enough to be born in Europe, not some shithole (I know Europe won't be that way for long). If you knew how bad and soul destroying things are out there you wouldn't act like such a weak little pussy.
I have been working my ass off for the last 10 years and saving diligently, and I still have peanuts compared to what others have on this board. Working 12h+ every day and often on weekends is slowly killing me from the stress.
Try that before you complain, you goddamn millennial.

google "infrastructure as code" and follow that path, it's all the rage right now

are you a pajeet?

If you have IT knowledge/skills perhaps look into webdesign. More specifically: wordpress. You can buy themes for $50 on themeforest and play around with the theme. Then, if enough practice, start for your own. Website prices differ per country ofc.

She gives mouth hugs to cocks.

If i take up programming now, how would i compete with 18 year olds with 10 times experience
>inb5 10 x 0 = 0

Was going to include "not a pajeet btw", but I forgot.
So no. I'm from another, less literal, shithole.

>If you take up working out now, how will you compare to 18 year Olds who are bodybuilding?

start working on your certifications, for example:

SAP, DBA (ORACLE) etc.

you will be wage cucking but at least for a decent wage

>webdesign.
Oh sweetie.
Being old sucks when competing with younger kids. Do your best to learn all the fundamentals and be on equal ground as they are, then dress up and look like a model employee.

If you are lucky, you can get a boomer as your interviewer and a nice set of clothes along with showing off good employee qualities will help. Also don't even touch the idea of salary in the interview just say you can discuss it later.

It's a good, highly paid field that's in a bit of a bubble right now. Getting a role working for an organisation that maintains/hosts cloud based applications is your best way in. Your unix experience should help. "DevOps" job roles are kind of broad as it's more of a cultural thing rather than a strict set of responsibilities. Regardless, the main things you'll want to gain an understanding of are:

* Amazon Web Services.
* Google Cloud.
* Version Control (git).
* Bash scripting.
* Competence in Python/Ruby.
* Infrastructure as code (Terraform/Ansible).
* Docker.

There's a lot more to it than that but it should give you a good starting point. reddit.com/r/devops is also really useful.

because she likes the texture of her sweater?
because she doesn't care?
because she wants to show them off?
i don't know, but i'd have hard time not being distracted

I think you mean internet

I can't fathom the idea of getting in to these fields. It's like hopping onto a treadmill that's moving faster and faster and trying to stay on it for 20 years. For example, you have to learn all these frameworks and languages and bust your ass at 60 hours per week at your fancy tech firm, and then in your very limited free time be cramming the new shit as it rolls out because everything you know will be obsolete in a year. Makes me want to puke just thinking about it.
>inb4 brainlet
It's not about inability, it's about the complete lack of work-life balance in this sector.

>infrastructure as code
Is this like Software defined networking?

;_;

What do you suggest learning then?
>inb4 your passion
>inb4 something you like

It can be quite intense. The proper software developers have a harder time of it though. New Javascript framework that they're expected to learn every 3 months. I've been in the game for 7 years and I have all kinds of mental/physical issues from the stress/anxiety. I'm wealthier than anyone I know my age though, so I guess that's the price you pay. It's probably not worth it but some cuck has gotta do it and it might as well be me at this point.

It's the practise of provisioning network resources and web infrastructure via code rather than manual setup. For example, in my job today I had to provision a fleet of servers that performed a specific set of tasks. Instead of doing it by hand I used a pre-programmed set of templates to do that with a few simple commands. The idea is to automate repetitive tasks to reduce human error and save time.

Do you guys suggest system administration, networking or security?

Which is easier to get in and better pay prospects?

If I were to fake out being a system admin. on my CV, what do I need to learn?
>linux shell commands
>how to manage VMware
>Windows server and some linix servers
>How to make backups
>Subnetting
>Connecting drives in a network

Is that right?

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>Do you guys suggest system administration, networking or security?
All three, but sysadmin should be your main focus if you want a nicer office job. The prospects are not as great

>he thinks I/T courses cover programming

Kek. Programming is a specific field of computer-science. Every programmer I've met had very little knowledge of hardware, software and troubleshooting skills were non-existent.

Those things can put an eye out

System administration is being replaced by DevOps practises which will gradually be replaced by concepts such as Serverless. I wouldn't bother with it as a long term prospect.

You can never go wrong with getting all of those Cisco certifications such as CCNA and CCNP and becoming a network specialist.

Ah so like with UCSM

>UCSM
Had to Google it but yep, same shit.

I kinda want to fake up being a Sys Admin for the time being, to get more money and a more comfy job than my current near minimum wage job in hospitality with random time shifts and soon to be night shifts, standing up all the time.

For the long run, I'd either want to start an ecommerce biz or learn skills I can sell online or actually study a career... But we'll see in time.

I actually don't know if I should get those CISCo certs. I don't have the money to invest at the moment.

That's fair enough, if you have a shitty job and need the cash, system administration is a good step up without a stupidly high barrier to entry. Try learn some PowerShell + Bash and make sure you have solid Networking fundamentals. Should put you ahead of most of the plebs on that field.

So, where do I start with this.

Should I head into the plebbit sub or should I start googling that shit or looking for courses online?

Do you suggest actually getting cisco certs instead? Is it easier to just get a normal sys admin job for the time being and then improve from there?

>on that field

You know what I mean.

Well, my plan's to fake thst I have a CS degree or computer admin degree in my cv sinc I come from another country and they can't check. Of course, the hardest part would be finding a job in a small biz that isn't software-based. Most offers I've seen are for software dev businesses who need system/network admins. They would catch me pretty quick in one of those I suppose, so I need to find one that isn't IT related if possible.

Slavic lands?

If programming/softdev is god tier,
What tier is sysadmin/devops?

I don't really know. I got a degree in Computer Networks, learnt programming on the side and went straight into a DevOps role. The Cisco courses are focused heavily on networking so if you want to do System Administration, maybe it’s not the most direct route. I’d look at courses online, generally you’ll go into Windows Server administration or Linux server administration. The majority of courses will be geared towards Windows so I’d go into that. Traditional Linux Sys Admins are a dying breed anyway as they’re being replaced by DevOps practises whereas traditional Windows Sys Admin stuff will be around for a long time as that stuff is a lot slower to embrace change and new technology compared to the crowd that are using Linux (generalisation).

Sysadmin is low/mid tier depending on specific role. DevOps is mid/top tier. It's all relative though.

Best thing I can suggest is to get some kind of respected certification then you don't have to fake it.

And what exactly did you learn in that degree that you couldn't have learn adquiring a CISCO certification?

To be honest, I'm willing to get into networking directly too, or into DevOps. I can learn programming, already know the basics (although mostly object oriented programming). But I need to start as something right now, no matter what, so I need to know what would be a good and easy to get into field at the moment.

Nothing special learnt in the degree, having one just makes it easier for you to be taken seriously when applying for jobs. I work with talented programmers that don't have degrees so it's not that big of a deal.

Like I said, certs are probably your best bet. The Cisco stuff or MCSE are what I see most people taking @ entry level but I don't really have any recent experience with that stuff.

I heard devops was higher level stuff and required a few years webdev or sysadmin experience?

Humm, one last thing, although it may seem to you that I've already asked this and that you've already answered but:
To learn what you currently know about networking, devops, etc, is CISCO + some programming (which language?) the path you suggest?
Did you learn Bash too and powershell?

I'm going to sleep now, gotta wake up in 6h to keep wagecucking on saint valentines. May KEK bless you user, thank you so much for the light you've cast upon my dark path.

Programming is a meme answer.
Get a security certification. Cyber attacks are only going to increase, especially attacks relating to election data. You can go federal or private from there.
Certs also take much less time than learning a new language.

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Yea, it's not a role suited for babbies. WebDev or Unix SysAdmin -> Junior DevOps engineer is a common path.

Cisco is really good for learning Networking fundamentals, I would recommend starting off with this shit if you can’t afford to take a course right now - udemy.com/cisco-ccna-network-fundementals-chapter-1/

Get really good at Bash if you want to go into Linux system administration, get really good at Powershell if you want to go into Windows Server administration. Learning both will obviously increase your opportunities but sometimes it’s best to commit to a small subset of things and get good at those instead of overloading yourself. Python is probably the most useful programming language for you to learn.

God speed user.

You're not a good security engineer if you can't program.

enjoy being mediocre at best. if you're not already a semi-pro in security as a hobby you'll end up in a shitty job.

I think I already know all of what's included in chapter 1. I'm not a complete noob with computers, but I do need to extend my knowledge quite a bit. Thank you.

You want me to learn Python because of the sys admin role. Which languages do you actually use at your DevOps job?

Python, Ruby and a bit of NodeJS. Also I write a lot of bash scripts. Being good at bash scripting will get you a long way.

I gotta go sleep now, good luck.

What fucking experience?

I am in CS college, Europe, second year, most people finish this without any internships and always land a good jobs.

CS is HOT! You don't need any experience, hell at my uni, you literally get recruited at college you don't even have to go apply.

But its hard, not the CS itself but the CS schools, well it depends where you are going. I am from FER, Croatia, and I have been told by many friends who were in Gratz and Belgium that our curriculum is on par with their CS schools, which means maths classes are killer, and its not pure CS, you kinda get some semi EE/CS classes.

If you have the capacity and you are not in CS, you are literally stupid, specially here in Europe, its a goldmine.

gimme milky

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>I am in CS college, Europe, second year, most people finish this without any internships and always land a good jobs.
>CS is HOT! You don't need any experience, hell at my uni, you literally get recruited at college you don't even have to go apply.

only true in shitholes like Croatia, in well developed countries its completely different

Lol IT fags can't cope. Learn to fucking code you mongs.

> Thinks that software fucking engineers don't know how to build a computer
> Troubleshooting skills (my sides)
> Programming is a specific field of CS??
Lol these fucking literal 85 IQ retards.

Sorry I'm mean but it's true, I'm only trying to help you make more money user.