So honestly is High fructose corn syrup legitimately bad for you or is it just another martyr in the whole Organic...

>So honestly is High fructose corn syrup legitimately bad for you or is it just another martyr in the whole Organic foods crusade?

Sugar isn't bad for you, there's just a lot of undue attention focused on it, specifically to draw away attention from the actual harms caused by animal products. Most of the anti-sugar stuff is being pushed by meat industry shills

duhbeetus doesn't affect anyone

Corn itself is bad for you, syrup made from it is as well. The human body can not properly digest corn.

corn syrup is worse for you than regular sugar but regular sugar is also bad in high amounts

Practically anything is bad for you in high amounts. Unfortunately, Americans have too much of this because of corn subsidies.

Who are you quoting?

Yes. Fructose has to be broken down in the liver in order to be digested and this process is pretty damaging to the liver. If you need a sweetener that doesn't taste like shit use pure glucose powder.

Fructose can only be metabolized by the liver and is a large contributor to fatty liver and other metabolic syndromes. Calories in vs calories out is a good place to start for systemic health but sugar (really any type) consumed in amounts it is currently consumed in on average, is toxic and causes metabolic dysfunction.

Ok so the only real issue with HFCS is that it's higher in fructose (a type of sugar) than just normal cane sugar.

When you eat a large concentration of sugar all at once your body tries to maintain a level amount of sugar in your blood and will quickly convert fructose into fat around your liver which causes liver issues and I think can help contribute to diabetes cause all that fat adds up and begins to put pressure on your other internal organs impeding they function


Really the bad thing about sugar is that in the concentrated form it's to eat too much of it so that it causes such a reaction. Also too much sugar in your diet means your consuming hundreds of calories complete devoid of any nutritional value besides said calories

Nonsense. Fructose is processed in the liver because it isn't glucose and there is no simple intestinal enzyme to convert it to glucose. So it's useless as fructose and has to be made useful. The fact that it's processed in the liver has no meaning in and of itself. The notion that fructose is converted to fat is total mythology that is directly contradicted by the best evidence. At most, 1-2% of fructose is "converted" to fatty acids only temporarily. It causing fatty liver, let alone obesity or diabetes, is, again, mythology.

The only real problem with concentrated sugars - whether sucrose, glucose or fructose - is that they tend to cause people to consume too many calories due to several combined factors, especially if they are liquid calories.

It's as bad for you as sugar is bad for you
But consuming it isn't like some sort of lead buildup where you'll die an early death.

Sugar is the bug bear because it become the substitute once fat was unfairly discarded.

Might I suggest before this shitshow goes full retard, posting primary literature along with any "facts" be a thing?

Source? Burden of proof is on you since your disproving a widely held belief. Not saying your wrong but I won't just take your word on here say

Also

> sugar doesn't cause diabetes or obesity
>the problem with sugar is that people tend to over consume calories
>doesn't cause obesity

What?

It's no worse than normal sugar

It's bad for your taste buds

fucking disgusting aftertaste

Yes. And especially in the excessive amounts found in many processed pre-packaged foods. It does fucky things to your metabolism. So does an excessive amount of any other type of refined simple sugar in a person's diet, unlike whole foods containing fiber alongside the simple sugars and complex whole grain carbohydrates. While no very small amount of any type of refined sugar that occasionally enters a person's diet is generally detrimental to his health, a moderate to high amount on a daily basis absolutely is. Anyone who tells you otherwise, or preaches anything other than a nutritionally balanced diet is fucking with you or selling something. No doctor has ever said to eat high sugar foods all day every day. The biggest problems is that a lot of people, due to the unholy normalization of highly processed food industry products is the lack of realization that there is added refined sugar in almost everything produced, and in ever-increasing amounts. It gives the appearance of mass cognitive dissonance about the issue similar to many people's apparent inability to accurately asses caloric intake.

A lot of people like to dredge up the twinkie diet guy. That idea where you can lose or maintain a certain weight by subsisting on a caloric deficit of junk food. Yes, this is true. It is very possible, yet decades of a diet like that will almost certainly cause health problems like tooth decay, type 2 diabetes and heart disease if the individual is genetically susceptible.

Aint nothing bad for you son if it fits your macros

And if you're actually cooking you shouldn't even see it unless you're making fudge or something

gee, I wonder...

Basically this. The real problem is that since it's so cheap, American food companies dump tons of it in fucking everything. Makes it much harder to eat "healthy", because everything contains a ton of uneccessary calories.

yeah sugar is bad for you,
If the question is whether HFCS is worse than other forms of sugar, then no, not really

HFCS is an approximate 50-50 mix of fructose and glucose. Sugar is too and with exposure to stomach acid, it turns into something that's very close to HFCS

From what I understand, it's the fructose part that really damages your liver. It's about as bad on your liver as alcohol is. Won't kill you immediately, but if you throw enough of it at your liver, it will give up on you.

The glucose is OK, your body knows how to deal with that.

And then there's all the chemical wizardry that they use to turn corn starch into HFCS and some of those processes can involve things like mercury. And then there's all the sludge from the pesticides they put on corn and possibly whatever happy things lurk in GMO corn.

Not to say that sugar is pure either, but there's less chemical steps involved.

Added sugars aren't good

Sugar from whole foods is fine

>corn syrup is worse for you than regular sugar

no it isn't.

I did a meta analysis of available studies as a thesis, meta analysis of 20+ studies showed no detrimental health effect for HFCS compared to table sugar.

However, my research did reveal that importation/shipping of HFCS and the industry around it, led to the doubling/tripling of the amount of added sugar in foods since the 1970s. so HFCS is a culprit, but for economical reasons, not health reasons.

Is there any excuse vegans won't use to get on their soapbox?

>From what I understand, it's the fructose part that really damages your liver. It's about as bad on your liver as alcohol is. Won't kill you immediately, but if you throw enough of it at your liver, it will give up on you.

what you understand is pretty much precisely zero.

its no different than any other sugar other than the fact that its slightly more addictive. it's bad for you because sugar is bad for you. it's GMO which is not necissarily bad for you, but the production of corn monoculture is demonstrably bad. supporting of it often means you are supporting the stupidly over expanded corn industry. if you don't give a fuck then go for all of it. that is the run down though without much bias.

thanks user, post paper or something sounds good

Goddamn this board is just as bad as /b/.

Broscientists who are like middle-aged housewives and just believe whatever CNN and Oprah tell them.

HFCS is no worse than sugar unless a whole bunch of scientists do a bunch of studies to prove otherwise. It doesn't matter what myths you read in Men's Health or on reddit or saw on Oprah if there are no scientific studies to back it up. And

>“Human studies, though short-term and small, consistently show no different impact on measures of health compared with other sugars. Though it’d be nice to have more research, we can confidently say people’s health will benefit most from limiting all sources of calorie-containing sweeteners,” says Cindy Fitch, a nutrition professor at West Virginia University and co-author of an Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics position paper on the topic.

Enjoy your magical, religious beliefs about food.

When and why has the focus of the thread shifted from the topic of HFCS being bad for you to whether or not it is worse than other refined sugars. As far as I am concerned all of those are straw man arguments and irrelevant to the OP. Which posts are you responding to?

Goddamn, bro. You just quoted a source in favor of HFCS being bad for you, but called everyone retarded for saying it's bad for you.

Don't misuse greentext like that

No but it doesn't taste as good
It's a cheap substitute that people use because they can use more of it to make their food sweeter without sacrificing cost

>autism

>The human body can not properly digest corn

t. My 7th grade science fair project on why there's still corn in my shit

> Burden of proof is on you since your disproving a widely held belief.

>Sugar Industry Conducted Decade of Attacks to Mislead Consumers About High Fructose Corn Syrup, Federal Jury Learns in Opening Statements

It's been demonized so people would use white sugar instead, thinking it's healthier. You'll see packages saying "NO corn syrup!" but then they'll have a lot of white sugar added. The problem is just how much sugar is being consumed in any form.

A 12 oz soda has more sugar than most people should have in a day, doesn't matter if the sugar is from corn syrup or white sugar. Even if you replaced it with honey or whatever sweetener you think is healthiest, if you're consuming 1/2 cup or more every day, it's not going to be healthy.

Tell me one good thing besides provide calories that sugar does for you.

>provide calories
This was a pretty big deal before the agricultural revolution, it only seems worthless now because we have an abundance of food.

Unrefined sugars usually provide more health benefits too, unrefined cane sugar usually has minerals in it like calcium, raw honey can help with allergies, maple syrup is similar to unrefined cane sugar, etc.

HFCS isn't any more harmful than regular sugar, the danger comes in that it is CHEAP so it contributed to everyone's increased sugar intake which is unhealthy.