>if you don't think frankenfood based on weird powders, campbell's soup mix, and hamburger helper is the best thing ever, you are not American and you also hate America and have literally never set foot here
What is it about the midwest that holds gastronomic mediocrity in such high regard?
I remember when Marcus Samuelsson tried to open a restaurant in the midwest and they practically ran him out of town with burning pitchforks because his food was "too weird"
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Cultural homogeneity is why
It's not hard to get accustomed to a variety of foods if you're exposed to them from an early age
In Middle America, a variety of foods means having both five guys and burger king in your one stop sign town
Obviously, you're going to get defensive when the internet starts going crazy over some food fad that you'd have to drive sixteen hours to even meet a person who's tried it
Nobody actually holds that kind of garbage in high regard, shitposter. It's just stuff that big mid-Western families would have at get-togethers because it's cheap and easy, and some people out there grew up with it and find it nostalgic.
There's a reason they're called flyovers, but pretending that kind of food is the norm makes you even less cultured.
>frankenfoods
Careful not to ingest dihydrogen monoxide
Probably because those that embrace the good food are pretentious assholes, like you. It probably scares them away.
>le frankenfoods
>le furious strawmanning
how fast are you tipping right now?
Blame Germany.
>American
Translation: we're so inbred and fucked up that we kind of lost track of where our ancestors came from
Inbreeding doesn't work that way faggot.
Or they just have confidence in their national identity and their own culture, and don't feel the need to pretend that they are Irish
that stuff would be delicious
it decreases their cognitive abilities
When Americans say they are German or Irish or whatever, they do not mean they are literally from there, and they are certainly not trying to imply it
The question is explicitly asking what country your ancestors came from. Form whatever reason, these areas settled by Ulster-Scots and English people have completely forgotten where they came from, probably because of poor education
Considering what was posted was an example of outbreeding the point stands.
>when Marcus Samuelsson tried to open a restaurant in the midwest and they practically ran him out of town with burning pitchforks because his food was "too weird"
Yeah, that never happened
You were probably not born yet, it was in the early 00s
You'd know.
There is a difference between overcharging at your restaurant driving away customers and being run out of town
Anything that a decent restauranteur could possibly charge looks like overcharging if you think it's normal to feed your own family powdered shitfood that you bought at Wal-Mart
The problem was not samuelsson
There are plenty of amazing restaurants in the Midwest though and they do just fine, often with 'strange' menus and high prices
>he problem was not samuelsson
It clearly fucking was, otherwise he would have been successful as many others have done
>restaurants
I'm talking about what decent healthy people want to eat, not deep fried pub grub with a pitcher of IPA
Just because your local joint doesn't literally have a tgi fridays sign out front doesn't mean there's a meaningful difference
>you are not American
What was your first clue, 'Murikan?
>not deep fried pub grub with a pitcher of IPA
Sounds pretty good, but thats obviously not what I was talking about
Next-level shitposting.
I'm gonna steal a line from another board and dub this genre "nu-Veeky Forums"
>frankenfood based on weird powders
implying Frankenfood not based
on weird powders is okay?
>deep fried pub grub with a pitcher of IPA
Every flyover pub type place also offers healthy options these days, and everyone drinks IPA. Maybe try leaving the basement once in awhile.
The problem with your logic is that it creates a ridiculous artificial distinction between healthy food and delicious food
Just look at how fat everyone is in middle America. It's because "healthy food" is a punishment to be endured under medical supervision
most healthy food isn't nearly as good as unhealthy food
There are plenty of exceptions but the trend is clear thanks to evolution. We evolved to like things that give us the most energy such as fat, sugar, and protein as such things took quite a lot of effort to obtain. Now that everything is easy to obtain, things we evolved to perceive as good are available in amounts way higher than we need leading to the need to artificially limit what we consume
Healthy food can be good, but the vast majority of good food and the best food isn't really 'healthy'
>look how _____ everyone in _____ is
See how dumb a thing generalizations are and how they make any point you attempt to make easily dismissed? Try saying something without hyperbole or anecdote.
>it creates a ridiculous artificial distinction between healthy food and delicious food
As opposed to what? Banning fried cheese curds and making all restaurants health conscious, so that the definition of "delicious" is artificially shifted?
That's like vegans who call their vegan slop delicious. Maybe it's good, but it's not better than the food people with an unrestricted diet eat, and they're deluding themselves into thinking that it is.
>frankenfood
>all this 70s nutrition
No one said anything about fat being bad, cleetus
And that's the point
You think forcing yourself to eat a huge bowl of chopped up iceberg lettuce with fat-free ranch is in some way healthy, and that putting that kind of shit on your menus makes your food every bit as good as what decent people are accustomed to eating but you consider pretentious because the only patriotic vegetable is what you can find on a big mac
>someone thinks maybe eating deep fried cheese every day isn't the most appealing habit
>DON'T TREAD ON ME MUH FREEEEEEDUMMMMMBS
lol
No one suggested banning anything, you dumb hick
Yeah, no, thats not what I was talking about
Who the fuck doesn't like fried cheese curds though?
Its impossible to take anything else someone says seriously if they don't like the taste of an objectively good food such as this
The lettuce has to be heirloom and organic for it to be healthy. The problem with midwesterners is they eat too much GMO food and we all know that causes cancer and probably other problems
Explain your logic, then.
How is offering salads with grilled chicken or salmon and oil/vinegar on the side at a bar somehow creating an artificial distinction that makes people think of those foods as a punishment? They're offered because people want to be able to go out and options that didn't come out of the deep fryer.
Your actual argument was that healthy food cannot be appealing because killer fat must be banished and only iceberg lettuce is healthy
Every plant you have ever eaten is a gmo.
There are 0 reputable and conclusive studies to show that gmos are any different from organic.
There are 0 reputable studies to show that gmos cause cancer.
Why don't you figure out how the gmo process works first before you type another stupid post.
Your examples are still just stereotypical 'healthy punishment special diet foods", it's like you popped out of a 70s TV show
Decent people tried to teach you what balanced eating meant, but sadly the required pristine quality ingredients that good restaurants depend on to create a good experience cost more than mealy Walmart produce of the sort that made a generation of flyovers reject food that isn't deep fried
So you angrily denounced them as a scam, and returned to a world in which a depressing salad bar was literally the only way to avoid scurvy other than drinking Hi-C mix
You're responding to a Midwesterner pretending to be a normal person, rather poorly
>you, you, you
The first post I made was a reply to someone talking about deep fried pub food. I used used to work in a brew pub and healthier options were extremely popular, and the produce we sourced wasn't mealy tomatoes and iceberg lettuce shipped across the country by train.
You seem to have a strange picture of what normal restaurants are serving these days.
That coma placement ruins the entire sentence structure and logical flow.
Consider writing that sentence in a different order.
You're responding to a Midwesterner poorly pretending to be a normal person.
I hope you realize, after this example, that you are not Yoda.
Did you not just claim that dry chicken breasts with a side of light vinaigrette is the medical option that you consider the "finally get healthy" alternative to deep fried Twinkies?
>dry chicken breasts with a side of light vinaigrette
None of that was said.
Samuelson did an interview where he talks about that restaurant and literally said the lack of success was his fault.
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I think this is bait.
That's the problem. You don't know who's a real retard and who is baiting. I just assume everyone is an idiot because, typically, people are fucking stupid and hold onto dumb memes as fact.
I think the first sentence gave it away, particularly the "heirloom" part.
F R A N K E N F O O D
same reason everyone outside the midwest thinks its a food desert with no culture beyind kraft dinner. defensive and holier than though shitheadness is the natural basic state of humanity, and anyone can and will take an enormous shit on a culture they barely understand becuase it makes them better than them.
Take the wisconsin cheese hate. there are people in europe who legitimately will look at tag lines like the best cheese in the world and think that wisconsin citizens are all a bunch of retarded snobs who think eating what must be the shittiest cheese possible (such as your picture) be anything like actual cheese. They get this attitude from official contests and ads that are trying to promote a product, and then they take it as gospel for the entire food culture in the whole state. It's laughably ignorant and you wont see any difference from the people in wisconsin thinking the same thing about europe.
In short, the midwest doesn't hold gastronomic mediocrity in such high regard, basic eating cucks are everywhere outside the mid west as well,
knowledge of this is a google search away, but they choose to remain ignorant to this kind of food, because they get their information about the midwest from angry basic eating cucks who furiously defend mcdonalds. This is even basic random food. you have some bullshit and divey but lovable quality street food, some middle tier food, and some classy plates. you can get a better idea if you know even more about the area.
But people don't want to learn something about the area. they select confirming information that fits their bias, and that bias is that their boondocks are the best boondocks, that they are the center of the universe. But that's humanity in a nutshell, any province you look at will just about be guilty of it in some way.
I visited Wisconsin once.
It was closed.
>It was closed.
Enjoying that weather?
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Heh, even nature hates the Midwest.
America as a whole is one of the least inbred western nations
>literally
Does this word, like "nice" and "pop" and "crappy", have a special meaning in the midwest? I was only there for a few years and i must not have picked up on that
What he says in the article is basically that he underestimated how narrow minded and stingy mudwesterns were at the time, and that he played a part in getting them to be ever so slightly less so
The phrase "wasn't Minnesota's fault" is kind of like saying "it's not you, it's me" (i.e., it's you, but I'm not going to argue with you because it would not be constructive )
>as a resident of the shittiest region in the country, let me speak on behalf of the good parts while confusing you for a foreigner
It has an informal meaning that people who aren't grammar Nazis or on the spectrum will understand.
>claiming not to be a grammar nazi while literally capitalizing the word "Nazi"
Autocorrect. I'm on a tablet.
What a pathetic thread.
mineesotan here, hate to break it to you guys, but i have better food than everyone here besides la, nyc, and miami.
have your "flyover" hate all you want.i can literally have any ffood at any time and have it either be shitty authentic street food or crazy molecular gastronomic small plates accompanied with some of the best fucking cocktails you have ever had.
also on the wisconsin cheese thing, they arent fucking around. At college parties in wisconsin its BYOC , not BYOB
Your food is definitely not as good as the PNW or SF bay area, but I agree it's better than Chicago
Keep in mind that's not exactly hard to be better than the land of racial strife hot dogs and the combination weber grill/oprah theme restaurant. A top class chef literally killed himself out of frustration over picky eaters who make loud gagging noises at food that isn't hamburgers and chicken tenders
>Chicago
Incoming...
minneapolis has FAR better cuisine than chicago.
and quavit closed because it was finnish/scandinavian food. And even tho we have a HUGE population of people with that sort of background, it just wasnt very good. i went there with my mother while it was open, it was just bad. You people act like because these people are on televison they can do no wrong and its just not true. in reality minneapolis has one of THE most competetive food markets because EVERYONE and their mother wants to eb a chef here. there is a new resaurant opening and closing every single week. The amazing ones stay. sometimes even the good ones close.
In such an oversaturated market, its hard. but it also gives my city the 4th best market in the fucking country.
Funny you mentioned chicago. their "World Famous " Giordanos opened here and is already on its way to close. fucking shit pizza. also chicago style pizza isnt fucking pizza.
excuse me while i put ketchup on my hotdog
>tfw even minnesotans dont want to eat pickled herring
I wouldn't let my head get too inflated if I were you
Yes, you have pizza lola
But most locals think it's pretentious and weird, and they gush with lavish praise for greasy doughnut batter covered in shitmeat, like lucce
why are you even saying pizza lola??? thats not even close to our best food lol.
stop reading buzz articles and regurgitating what you read plebian. go to spoon and stable. go to piccolo. go to parlour/borough. go to 112 eatery. go to trevails. got o pig ate my pizza (better than lola) go to the freehouse go to the brewers table go to sanctuary
>those ridiculous names
Sorry I'm too busy laughing at your trends lifted directly from 2009-era Williamsburg
because "aqauavitt" a restaurant named after a liquor or "butter" is any better. please.
Butter opened in like 2003 though, and aquavit even earlier
so a name for a resaturant needs to be "with it" and the times? lol wat
Food doesn't exist in a vacuum
You might as well be serving aquariums full of lime jello encrusted with shrimp cocktail
the plural of aquarium is aquaria, ameridumb
I'm a west coast transplant who has been living in the midwest for about a decade.
From what I've deduced, the biggest reason is simply because people here have never actually had food in their lives that was anything more than mediocre.
If you're raised on heavily processed corn based foods, cheap meat and "safe" foods, you're going to reject any food that breaks this trend in any significant way.
I've personally witnessed multiple good restaurants go under (an authentic thai place, a french bistro, a korean bakery, and an avant garde chinese fusion place to name a few). These places didn't really do anything wrong other than being stupid enough to try to open and operate in the semi-rural midwest.
The bottom line is, the people here hate trying anything new. Furthermore, they're proud of it. It's not a racial thing either. Blacks up here are all about white bread, mayo and red meat too.
It's just a fucking culinary deadzone. The "flyover" accusation is well deserved.
Honestly don't get me wrong, there are good things about the midwest (partially why I still live here), but the food culture is not one of them.
Addendum: this doesn't apply to major cities btw. Like
said, places like Minneapolis, Grand Rapids, fuck even Indianapolis have food cultures that would not leave a New Yorker or a Londoner disappointed.
I read it as "you are responding, rather poorly, to a midwesterner pretending to be a normal person"
>so inbred that they don't have a common ancestry
HUUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRR
tl;dr
>HUUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRR
Le upboated
>minneapolis has FAR better cuisine than chicago.
This is the most delusional thing I've ever heard. How many michelin stars does Minneapolis have? When people think Chicago cuisine, they think Rick Bayless, Graham Elliot, Curtis Duffy, Grant Aschatz, Charlie Trotter, Stephanie Izard, etc. How many Minneapolis chefs are household names in America?
Chicago is considered the 2nd or 3rd best food city in the US behind New York and closely tied with San Francisco.
Chicago has a hyper-competitive restaurant scene, we have literally dozens of neighborhoods that are all known for their vibrant culinary scenes. There's more good restaurants than you could ever hope to eat it in an entire lifetime.
Forgot to also mention that they even host the James Beard awards here... There's a reason for that and it's because people know that Chicago is an innovative, exciting, and growing culinary scene that makes it suitable for hosting the equivalent of the Oscars or Grammy's of cooking.
Only non-Chicagoans think about dumb shit like hot dogs and pizza when they are asked to think about Chicago food.
It's probably more like because James Beard is about American cooking, and Chicago is the least horrible choice that's relatively equidistant between both coasts.
Also outside the extreme high end of things, Chicago has a fairly weak food culture based mostly on, as you said, hot dogs and pizza.
But if you're into the whole making reservations 3 weeks out and spending $250 for dinner, then I don't disagree that Chicago can be a pretty great place to eat.
Go roll down a staircase made of sausages and cream of mushroom soup, Ditka
That's all they know
You should see a Veeky Forums nostalgia thread, it's horrifying what these people ate growing up
>It's probably more like because James Beard is about American cooking, and Chicago is the least horrible choice that's relatively equidistant between both coasts.
Yeah, but no. They hold the Tony awards in NYC and the Emmy's, Grammy's, and Oscar's are in Los Angeles. Nobody hosts an awards show because it's equidistant between between other areas important to that field. If that was the case, everything would be in Chicago, or more accurately, Kansas City.
And if you really think all Chicago food culture sans high end places is based mostly on pizza and hot dogs, then you are totally clueless. You've probably never even been to Chicago, or if you have, I bet you took a picture of yourself in front of the bean you poser.
Just about every kind of ethnic food is available here, as well as plenty of new kinds of culinary styles that aren't necessarily high end by any means, but are still inventice and use high quality ingredients.
Seconded. Shitposting transcendent
merkt's cheddar is good as fuck
I lived in Chicago for a year and I visit at least three times a year for work or personal reasons. I'm familiar with the dining scene
Like I said, great food at the high end. Mediocre greasy fried crap everywhere else. Yes, muh Pilsen, muh Argyle, muh knockoff pho made by Koreans , but Chicago pride is Italian beef and hot dogs with swearing. You can forget about midrange western style dining, it's all IPA, the wine lists are stuck in the 1950s
Enjoying your yearly hurricane? Oh, you're from the UK? How many inches did it rain today?
Lived in Minnesota my entire life and I'll guzzle that shit down. Pickled herring, pickled eggs, fresh smoked lake superior fish, venison chili/steaks/burgers/tenderloin, brats and sauerkraut all summer long.
God damn we have it good in the midwest
My mom has worked in factories that make that God tier spread cheese in the picture. Its good quality food you have not taste sir
But you don't have any fiber
that port wine dip looks dank yo
also OP is a faggot
>dank
I agree that it looks gross, but dank is a strange way to describe it.
I don't care what you think
nice blog though
I hope that cold packed cheese isn't an example of "frankenfood" because it's fucking delicious and way better than any other cheese spread, especially cheese wiz
Ladies first.
What is wild rice?
>but Chicago pride is Italian beef and hot dogs with swearing.
Maybe if you bothered to go beyond whatever tourist handbook you were given you'd realize that is really just facade. Anyways, that kind of "Chicago pride" barely exists any more. The city is no longer full of white ethnics.
>the wine lists are stuck in the 1950s
This doesn't even make a modicum of sense. Do you even remember what wine lists were like in the 1950s?