What exactly is it about American cheeses (not American Cheese...

What exactly is it about American cheeses (not American Cheese, I mean cheese made and eaten in the US) that everyone hates so much?

I get most cheeses here are lower quality and not traditionally made, but some of y'all will refuse to even call it cheese. Not every cheese we regularly eat is artificial cheese product like American. What is the fundamental problem with it?

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It's like everything else you make... cheap and all about the profit, not the product.
We don't even use HFCS where I hail from...

>le hfcs meme

>cheap and all about the profit
Name one thing sold on the market that isn't about profit.

Protip: there isn't one. Fucking retard.

A friend of mine used to sell acid at concerts just for the price it cost him to make it because he just wanted people to have a good time

I should try it sometime

I'm not really into drugs, i've tried pot like, once

>some of y'all
stop this

It's my dialect, shit lord. Lots of languages use a second person plural pronoun but it fell out of use in English, ain't nothing wrong with using "y'all".

Apple computers/iPhones.
Loser.

Bibles

>implying

>has no real/legitimate rebuttal so plays the 'implication' card

Have you tried cheese outside of the US? Or have you always been in your ivory tower?

You guys also have the worst bread on the planet. It's fucking forage grain flour and enhancers for rising that dead low-protein mess. It's so bad, your "bread is useless and even harmful" sperging actually makes perfect sense.

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Your friend didn't actually make acid or he would be giving it out for pennies a dose.

the problem isn't about profit, it's about low quality industrialized mass production

You is the singular and plural form for the second person pronoun in English.

A lot of companies bulk their cheeses out with cellulose, (wood pulp). Best to avoid those made by Kellogs, KFC, Dole Foods, Kraft, McDonalds, Nestle, Pepsi, Pizza Hut, sara Lee, Sonic, Taco Bell & Wendy's. Instead try a tasty cheese that actual has some fucking cow or goat milk in it.

Bread here in Italy isn't exactly good for you either

If you wanna be Veeky Forums drop bread

L O N D O N

That's hippie nonsense. Your friend is a goddamn retarded commie faggot.

Bibles are about a profit, just not a direct one.
Bibles are a free sample. Religiously curious people are the customers.

>What is the fundamental problem with it?

You already know the answer, OP:
> most cheeses here are lower quality

As for "refusing to even call it cheese"--that's simple. It's low enough quality that it isn't worthy of the word. Refusing to call it "Cheese" is another way of saying "it sucks".

There are some very decent cheeses made by Americans. Unfortunately, people mostly know very mild cheeses we produce as opposed to the more interesting stuff.

>pic related
>eat the rind

I mean, if you mean supermarket bread, sure. But we have very good bakers that make bread from very good grain, if you look on the local level.

That is pretentious as fuck. You're a sad human being.

It's not remotely pretentious. I'm not making that statement to show off or look cool (how is that even possible given that this is an anonymous forum and nobody has any idea who I am)

I'm making the statement because it's my honest opinion, not because it makes me appear any different to my peers.

And yes, it clearly is a generalization. We do have some fantastic cheese here in the US. But most of it is crap, plain and simple.

>I get most cheeses here are lower quality and not traditionally made
Only shitty bottom shelf cheeses.

When someone says "American cheese" all Euros can think of is Kraft American Cheese singles (which might as well be plant fiber for all its taste and nutrition)

I would say that at least 95% of cheese made in the US qualifies as "lower quality". Probably a lot more than that, actually.

Agreed. I think if you go to most actual farms/cheesemakers in the US, you'll find that most are very acceptable.

Yeah. But those are a tiny tiny tiny minority compared to the crap you find at the supermarket. Are those good? You bet. But they're such a small % of the American cheese industry that the generalization of "American cheese sucks" is perfectly valid.

Of course there are standout exceptions. But they're rare.

>When someone says "American cheese" all Euros can think of is Kraft American Cheese singles
I don't. I think of all the stuff that independent producers in states such as Wisconsin and Vermont make.
And then I laugh, because all cheese made in the USA is objectively, fucking shit.

>But those are a tiny tiny tiny minority compared to the crap you find at the supermarket
Not if you live in Wisconsin :^)

Ebin, simply ebin

>it's made in the US therefore it's shit
Could you be any more stereotypical, Eurotrash?

It doesn't matter where you live. Even if Wisconsin had 100% perfect cheese that's a tiny drop in the bucket compared to nationwide consumption.

I get that you might have a better selection in your supermarkets than other states do, but that doesn't say anything at all about the relative quality of cheese production in the nation as a whole.

Canadian actually but nice try, beetus-boy!

>a leaf

>Canadians think their shit is higher quality
Maybe a smudge, but it's practically the same crap.

they just love the tidbit about how American cheese is not technically cheese, as it contains no rennet, so it is instead a "pasteurized milk product" or "cheese product"

basically just like any other reddit fact that pretentious people get to rub in other people's faces

I wouldn't necessarily say that they are a small minority by total count, but most supermarkets stock a handful of the biggest farms and producers. So, I don't think it's fair to say "oh, America has nothing to contribute when it comes to cheese" but I think it is fair to say a large amount of normie Americans haven't had much contact with good cheese.

>poor people living in cities
>cheap suburban soccer moms
>trailer trash
>etc

This. Basically it's coffee audiophile-tier pedantics

I know this is bait, but I really hope you change your mind and try some well-regarded cheeses sometime. You're just missing out.

>but most supermarkets stock a handful of the biggest farms and producers.

That they do. And those aren't very good cheeses. Are the better than kraft singles? Sure. But that's not saying much.

>> I think it is fair to say a large amount of normie Americans haven't had much contact with good cheese.

I agree. And it's pretty fucking hard for someone to find good cheese here, given that we can't even import cheese made with unpasteurized milk.

Pay careful attention next time you're buying cheese here in the US. You see all those "imported from France" or "imported from Italy" signs? Now read the fine print on the package. You will see "pasteurized milk". The gimmick is that yes, those cheeses are imported, but they're a special "made for the US market" version, not the genuine article.

>try some well-regarded cheeses sometime
Oh, I do user.
Don't you worry.

>Americans can't cheese meme
Amish people exist, you know.

What is Veeky Forums's opinion on Tillamook? I just got some recently for some burgers. I was surprised how quickly they go bad after you open the package. I don't know anything about cheeses so I've always just used the Kraft Singles.

it's better than kraft, basically on the same level as the best wisconsin cheese, which isn't saying much really. perfectly fine for melting over a burger, but I wouldn't serve it for dessert after a nice meal

I got through the introduction.

We know. We've already pointed out that there are rare exceptions to the rule. What does that have to do with the fact that the overwhelming majority of the cheese here is in fact crap?

Agreed.

.Amish
Are they pasteurized as well?
:^)

Pasteur was a Frenchman.

>aged over 60 days
>60 days
>SIXTY DAYS
>SIXTY
In American terms that's almost an antique!

No Shit, Louis.

>not enjoying GRILLED DRY CHEESE from glorious nicaragua
fuckig plebs all of you murricans

Was that an an abortion pill?

Friendly reminder that if you do not live within the yellow portion of this map, your cheese will be shit.

It usually is a lower product. As for why people refuse to call it cheese, it is because they're pretentious cunts.

Euro living in USistan here.

The only thing I dislike about American-made cheese is that the good stuff is just as expensive (and sometimes even more so) than the cheese they're aping at and the bad stuff is, as the adjective states clearly, bad.

Why should I pay $9/lb for a good American-made Cheddar-alike when just-as-good real Cheddar costs $8/lb?

>$1 difference
Yuropoors everyone.

Wisconsin is the land of processed cheese product, if you live in the yellow area, your cheese will be even more shit

Our wine is like that too. The only good American wine is stupidly expensive. I'll buy it occasionally just to feel like I'm "supporting America" but for the most part I'll just buy imported stuff.

It's kind of irritating but Americans are accustomed to dirt cheap unless splurging in which case we go overboard. There is no middle ground.

Then buy the better stuff. That's how capitalism works. People that buy "American made" because it's American made are fools.

You can't get brick cheese for $2.50/8oz brick?
Or deli cheese for $5 a pound?
You probably made the wrong choice when you decided to live in Washington DC.
Do you pay for your grocery bags also? Shit.

Why should I pay a dollar more for the American one when the proper one is a dollar less, both are sold at the same USican store right next to each other, and the US-made cheese is not better than the import cheese?
I'd happily pay more for something better but not for something of equal or lesser quality.

Show me on the doll where Aaron Rodgers touched you

They hate Kraft singles and aren't aware there's hundreds of decent other cheeses to go to.
That's it really, is it that surprising?
Source: American who has eaten cheese in foreign places that talk big about cheese.

I had to Google that
>muh team franchise sports
Hallmarks of an irrelevant place, the post

>I had to Google that
Liar

cheese used to requires milk to be of a certain standard in order to be processed into cheese

american cheese uses the milk that is unsuitable for anything except being turned into american cheese

other countries do this too now, but usa started it

Why the fuck should I know who that is? Just because we both speak English does not mean I look, talk, eat, drink, live, think, or feel just like you, and that doesn't actually make me a troll, insane, or a member of al Qaeda either.

Wouldn't know. Despite being from a country renowned for its wine, I'm a beer guy. I like both American beers and beers from the EU and Switzerland about equally.

I can get the $5/lb cheese but its quality isn't very good. I'll admit, I do get it from time to time when there's a special. I recently got some for $2/lb, believe it or not. Otherwise, I'll shell out the extra dosh for the better product.

I'll buy whichever gives the best quality for the fairest price. I had an "Amish gorgonzola" a few months back that was $16/lb. It was pretty good. The import gorgonzola is $18/lb and better quality, so I buy that. I have no qualms about buying American-made if the quality and price are good. For example, I buy American-made Edam at $8/lb rather than the $11/lb import because it really is just as good.

If you're American you'd know who that is. I'm not even a football fan and I know who that is. He's a minor celebrity.

What does Veeky Forums think of my standard cheese?

Also some anons were talking about bread earlier, let's all just confirm that American supermarket bread is the real travesty. It's oddly *sweet* and spongy.

The great thing about America is that, being located in the center of the world, we don't have to worry about domestic goods. We can just import them from the countries that do them the best anyways, so why bother? On cheese in particular, I mainly stick to cheddar since it's cheap, but I always get the extra sharp kind because mild is for babies.

>if you don't eat junk food, obsess over televised franchise sports, and drive a coal rolling pickup truck every day you're a member of al Qaeda
Better call the CIA, I just ate food I cooked that I bought at the farmers market, I don't own a television, microwave, or cage, and somehow I got a hold of this US passport in my very own name.

Hope they can call in the drone strike on my position before the rift in the space-time continuum gets any worse

Nah, man, he was driving along I-94 to Madison to go protest the EEEEEVIL Scott Walker and Paul Ryan on July 1 and saw a fireworks stand that triggered his PTSD.

Curb your autism, lad

No

Maybe if I put it this way:
He's the guy currently banging Olivia Munn.

I think you confused your anonymous shitposting anti-WIDF interlocutors, I'm the one who memes about combination fireworks and porn stores. The yellow cheese guy up there, I've never met in my life

I know that name, but surely it doesn't help narrow it down much, isn't she basically just famous for being hot? Like a Kardashian, except for the actually being attractive part?

She was on Attack of the Show on G4, if you remember that channel. It's probably the main reason people remember her name.

you dont know shit till youve eaten a cheese ration

I'm American and I have no idea who that is.

He probably forgot that not every American is a sports nerd.

Do you have nothing between artisan shit at $10 a pop and 'american cheese' made from wallpaper paste and cement $0.5 per kilo? All american food seems like this.

>sports nerd
Ugh, is that the new term? Terrible

The name is familiar, but I don't know who that is.

We leave mediocrity to the europeans.

Wait, is that considered expensive? The local stuff at my farmers market is like $28/lb

Those are called /sp/ergs.

...

If you don't watch sports you're probably an autistic shut in betamax

Ive seen some shit

You got that right, faglord. Now go slap your buddies ass and call it "sportsmanship".

MRE time?

youtube.com/watch?v=kdlYoO9lxHI

It's only gay if more than two fingers slip in

Oregonian here, love Tillamook,especially extra sharp cheddar. Been to the factory at least 50 times

>been to the factory at least 50 times
what

Guess he really likes cheese.