Where can I find some good hard-boiled fiction...

Where can I find some good hard-boiled fiction? Any recommendations / essential works or authors for a beginner to the genre? I'm new and don't know where to start...

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Hammett and Chandler

I would like to know this as well. I love me some good gum shoe books with a noire flair

Dashiell Hammett & Raymond Chandler... got it. Anything by them in particular?

The Maltese Falcon and The Big Sleep.

Definitely Red Harvest. IIRC it was the inspiration of Yojimbo and A Fistful of Dollars.

I'd appreciate some recommendations too. I've already read Red Harvest and Maltese Falcon by Hammett, The Postman Always Rings Twice and Double Indemnity by Cain, and The Big Sleep by Chandler.

OP, any of those would be worth checking out as a starter point, all really good.

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Ross Macdonald

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Not quite hard boiled but my favorite beat poet is Gregory Corso - just might be your cup of tea.

Check out "Hair" or "Marriage"

How well do you think Bogart played Spade?

Wrong for the part. Bogart's a romantic, a softie at heart, and Spade was exactly the opposite.

Jesus christ. What an awful post. Casablanca ruined another one.

In The Maltese Falcon film, Bogart's Spade almost lets his feelings for the girl get the better of him. In the book, this is never even a possibility. "I won't play the sap for you," he coolly says over and over.

I don't know, I haven't seen the film. Is it good?

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The Big Sleep
The Maltese Falcon
Black Dahlia

thanks!

the last good kiss by crumley is great

Andrew Vachss is pretty good.

The Martin Beck series is fucking amazing

Hard-Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World by Haruki Murakami. It's fucking excellent.

GUn for Hire by Greene

Must I read detective fiction before reading the new york trilogy?

Has anyone read Philip Kerr's book? Berlin Noir looks interesting

James Ellroy is GOAT

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Which is hs best?

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Derek Raymond's books are the best detective fiction I've ever read, and goddamn Veeky Forums.

The New York Trilogy is great too, and if you're in for more "genre" experience Lansdale's Hap & Leonard series is pretty cool, as is the Watch series by Pratchett.

The Killers by Hemingway is gen considered the establishing text

Strictly speaking "hard boiled" is q a narrow genre/timeframe

Raoul Whitfield is one of the more interesting lesser known hard boiled writers

Broadening the field to Noir :

Eliot Chaze- Black Wings has my Angel
Jean-Patrick Manchette- The Prone Gunman
Jim Thompson- Pop 1280

are a few good books IMO

The first three Factory novels are fine indeed.

He does Phillip Marlowe better than anyone else though. Spade seems a. Little "softer boiled" than Marlowe

pleb question, but what's the difference between hard boiled and noir?

Noir = atmosphere is grim, dark, and/or nihilistic
Hardboiled = characters are tough-minded and masculine; plot is action-oriented

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woah, have anything else like this???

best part of The Maltese Falcon is the homo villains, Sydney Greenstreet, Peter Lorre and the gunsel kid.
The broad's not bad either.

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Dashiell Hammett.

Are you a woman? Because women read mystery.

Hard Boiled was mostly written prior to WWII and was pulpy to some extent. Noir was written post WWII and was able to tap into the emotions/sentiments of those who just experienced war. Those this guy got the basic description down.

There are no girls on the internet.

The businnes of dying, by Simon Kernick

I know it is a bit of a stretch, but The New York Trilogy is a great piece of detective fiction. Paul Auster manages to write mystery in a compelling, atmospheric and meta way; I've never read anything like that before him.

Reccomended.