What do you think about the "dark enlightenment"? Are they really something new?

What do you think about the "dark enlightenment"? Are they really something new?

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no one calls it the dark enlightenment anymore
Nick Land is right about everything btw

>microeconomics

lol how exactly? aside from thinking a little bit about transactions and opportunity costs

>freedom

yeah nah, only to act in a way they deem suitable

Ultimately, it's an attempt to provide an ideological basis for the alt-right movement, which, like practically all "political" movements nowadays, is more identitarian than ideological.

Seems to me that they're promoting ethnic group identity to an absurd degree by couching it in this notion of "tribal identity", which really smacks of pseudoscience to me. This is completely retarded and merely prolonging the inevitable triumph of monoculture as plurality has demonstrably failed to work over and over again. The notion of tribal identity is basically the right-wing equivalent of the extreme left's identity politics crap and appears to be virtually indistinguishable, except the white (read: Nordic) race seems to be given undue importance rather than Subsaharans and Hamitics.

No. It's less of the fun of pure nationalist fascism, with even more crass language and vulgarity.

you have completely misunderstood NRx
Nick Land is much funnier than any current ethnonationalist

Edgy kids trying to justify their edginess with absurd contorted meme arguments.

The Alt-right is a disparate collection of Right movements with much dislike of each other. Identarians (in the true sense as importers of European new Right ideas) have next to nothing in common with NRx crowd, they are opposed on fundamental socio-econoimc grounds

The Alt-right is nothing more than a front for Neo-nazi's anyway, any respectable people involved in it abandoned it long ago

righton.net/2016/02/20/the-alternative-right-an-autopsy/

Veeky Forums, where can a respectable nationalist authoritarian align themselves if they don't want to get lumped in with racist chaff, knee-jerk reactionaries, and ignorant teenagers?

Just give up on politics lad, it's a waste of time.

>deep heritage

People seem to tack on the word "deep" to a concept to make it sound more imposing and eternal. What is "deep heritage"? Is it a superfluous way of referring to the conservative notion of traditionalist values?

Nick land is right about everything desu.

If I had to guess I'd say it's probably a strike against modernists who tend to imply that the heritage of the west is contained entirely within liberal egalitarianism

As for the NRx crowd they're better critics than they are problem-solvers, although to be fair they aren't really in power anywhere so who knows maybe a NRx-governed state would actually work out pretty good

Alain de Benoist and the Nouvelle Driote

>Nouvelle Droite

I appreciate the suggestion. But user, please. Paganism? In my Christian Europe?

Dark enlightenment is codeword for the redpill that circulates on /pol/, /r9k/, and stormfront.

It's something everyone who isn't brainwashed by cultural marxism will come to realize at some point when they grow up and mature intellectually.

Finance and accounting is probably a better thing to put down tho that's not really right either. Certainly part of why the Roman empire "fell" was the knee jerk price fixing and increases market control that was going on, then something happened and when the enlightenment came back again the same roadblock wasn't hit on that scale again. I guess stuff like the Templar banking system? Feudalism?

who /techno-commercialist/ here?

I'm a National Socialist and immensely proud to be white

>no new radishmag articles
>ever

>it's a Nick calls /pol/ niggers edition
>it's a Nick laughs at the suffering of Venezuelans episode
>it's a Nick calls the Koch brothers cucks episode
>it's a Nick labels abortion as the "mass extermination of Untermenschen-Kinder"
>it's a Nick tries to understand EVE Online episode
why's he so funny bros

he's an autistic qt

> you will never cuddle Nick Land while he babbles on about techno-commercialism and gnon

>unique posters count not changing between these two posts

right wing politics are certainly a lot more interesting than left wing politics right now.

the left wing is intellectually dead. the right wing has some promising elements. overall the dork enlightenment is pretty dumb. they are largely right about genetic differences between peoples, the incompatibility of cultures, the preferences for ethnically homogeneous nation-states, etc, but like most right wing stuff, even if they diagnose the problems correctly on some fronts their prescriptions to fix them are totally hopelessly wrong.

you can accept the value of traditionalism and the differences between peoples and cultures without decrying the evils of modernity or sperging about your ideal techno-aristocratic future government.

Who the hell is Nick and how do we get him to fuck off back to Plebbit?

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>they are largely right about genetic differences between peoples,

lol no they aren't, it's not backed up by genetic research and highly selective and questionable iq tests don't count as quality research and them quoting the bell curve the nth time wont change that desu

yep, all races are behaviorally and mentally just the same. it's all a social construct.
youtube.com/watch?v=vAAbDzJhoD8

What do "they" call it?

>it's not backed up by genetic research

Ah, I wonder who those scientists are (if you catch my drift).

>iq tests don't count as quality research

How convenient

garbage
neoreaction
don't bother reading any articles on neoreaction because they're all wrong

>pseudoscience

Humans are evolved to deal with small groups. We have the mental ability to maintain relationships with about 150 other individuals. Men perform best in tight bands of about 2-15 men.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar's_number

Humans choose which individuals they associate with on the basis of shared highly heritable traits. This is the basis for all altruistic behavior.

google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/n&n%202005-1.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwj-gZ3GyrTMAhXM74MKHf3EBwEQFggiMAA&usg=AFQjCNEKT0wzKSKmF7E4nZmnaxntlrrISQ

Tribalism is the only natural conclusion. We are evolved to live a certain way, and that way is nasty short and brutish. It is violent. It is scary and difficut and deadly. But it is the only way we can be psychologically healthy, stable, and fulfilled as men.

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Alt right thought is still founded in the basis of egalitarian Christian enlightenment thought, so for all their talk about being redpilled they do not see the nature of men and the reality of life.

They dont undestand that might makes right.

They don't understand that rapefugees are just men in search of wealth, land, power, women, and violence. This is not because they are evil, or retarded savages. It is because they arere men seeking what men have always coveted.

They still cling to universal values.

They still believe in peace and a seek to build a bright future.

The future is war and fire and mad max. And this is what is best for us. This is what is good in life.

Islam. it's the logical conclusion to right-wing thought

It's more likely than you'd think.

>>couching essentialist claims in imaginary truth-value by calling it sex- or race- """realism"""

read Evola and Spengler

>man is a slave to his animal nature and can never succeed outside of his evolutionary parameters

Get a load of this materialist

>highly selective and questionable iq tests don't count as quality research
Except when it comes to Ashkenazi jews, apparently. It's ok to admit their intellectual superiority, but concede black and white IQ are different and your life is over. Interesting how that works.

oh look it's a dumb gay internet tough guy version of nietzsche

>Except when it comes to Ashkenazi jews
Don't forget east Asians.

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Discussion of this bullshit is irrelevant. This comes straight from /pol/, and their stormfront handlers, and there's only one correct response to it:

You're confusing the alt-right with NRx. Hardly anyone on /pol/ knows who nick land or moldbug are.

They know that moldbug is a Jew.

>natalism
Sorry, I can't support this degeneracy

> Taking your cues on manhood from some fatass internet tough guy

C U C K
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I don't know about Jews but many of the main iq studies done on Chinese for instance have poor methodology from generally very selective and elite groups, maybe it will be easier to have decent studies in the future as China continues to urbanise with better education for their population and better monitoring making tests with a decent and truly random sample possible, otherwise it's naive to think these studies are a worthwhile representation.

So no take the strawman elsewhere.

Absolutely kill yourself

>calling racism race-realism
>dubbing your own movement an "enlightenment" of any kind

1/10

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>brain size determines intelligence
wew lad
by that logic women are inferior to men and blue whales are the most intelligent species on the entire planet.

it signifies that it does in the picture to express an idea, its not to be taken literally though

>muh nature
>muh evolution
>muh universals
positions like this make me want genetic manipulation to start pumping out mutant freaks already
bitch nigga changing a king for another, when will you learn?

rekt

Ethno gommie pls go

It's a movement of mentally unstable people who wish the world was more like an earlier world that they think would better allow them to adjust to society. They're wrong.

women are inferior to men though

>I only like the parts where they want to kick out the niggers lol
Even if they had a real argument they'd just use it to make a sweeping statement on the races they hate most and rationalize why they hate em
>trying to use the average tests scores of people from various sizes of groups and income and environments and then Implying that this scores alone are the only factors is fair
I mean it hasn't ever happened to any large society but yeah its gonna be the future
>lol I am le troll look at meh

Get the fuck off of Veeky Forums with this shit too.

Topic has zero literary relevance. Take it to /pol/.

>federalism
more like fedoralism

>>I only like the parts where they want to kick out the niggers lol

no group that has been part of a nation for centuries, like black americans, should be "kicked out" of anywhere.

but it should be recognized that the welcoming large numbers of people from backwards cultures and who very possibly have innate behavior and mental differences is a very bad idea.

That sounds much like the discourse going around the turn of the century. Back then, it was Jews and Eastern Europeans who where said to have a lower IQ. Nowadays, American Jews score above almost any other ethnic groups. Doesn't that suggest there are other factors at play? Eg. Nutrition, higher concentrations of lead in water, education, culture etc.

patheos.com/blogs/markshea/2014/02/a-reader-writes-of-his-experience-among-the-dark-enlightenment-types.html

> I was initiated into the first stages of the Dark Enlightenment, which involved me stripping down naked so people could “inspect my phenotype”. I was then given a series of very personal questions, often relating to sexual matters. I was then told to put on a black cape. (I really regret doing this but at the time I was younger, more impressionable and eager to please.)

Well I hope you don't identify with OPs horseshit or the groups who do because they feel that the black folks were like a Pandora's box of savagery that we accidentally released on ourselves through slavery

My stance is that the only factors that should make you an American are if you are loyal to America and its laws.

America has tons of backwards cultures in its backyard, a Muslim who is looking to work for his family and then fuck off back to sandland is still more productive than welfare mama.

The only reason its a bad idea is because terrorists will definitely hide in the ranks. It's sad that this isn't even the top of the list for anti Muslim folks and they are more concerned if the retarded anti women and anti equality views of conservative Muslims won't match our version of those views.

>cling to universal values
>'might makes right' is somehow not a universal value
>describing any form of future is somehow not prescribing its desirability and making it some variety of 'bright future,' given the nebulous nature of the term

Didn't we leave your kind behind on those shitty PHP forums?

Sillicon Valley culture is full of bizarre cults involving libertarianism, transhumanism and new age beliefs, either alone or in combination. In a way, it's one of the weirder offshoots of the 60s counterculture. And it goes all the way to the top; Google's founders are Kurzweil fanatics, Peter Thiel is a long time Mencius Moldbug associate, and totally discredited cryogenics ventures get billions in funding.

when were jews said to have low IQ? if such an argument existed it could be easily disproven by the history of jewish accomplishment and the history of jewish overrepresentation among the rich. it was also quickly disproven when IQ test became popular and jews performed exceptionally well on them.

there are no such obvious arguments to point to to disprove the lower intelligence of people originating from africa or the middle east.

black americans already have nutrition as good as you need to meet your genetic IQ potential. gains in nutrition aren't going to do it. culture could still be an issue -- this is what james flynn contends, that the linguistic environment for very young american blacks is the biggest thing holding back their IQ and educational gains.

The alt-right has more legitimacy among right intellectuals than it ever had after the last few volleys of thought pieces. Douthat acts like he wants to be their cool step-dad now.

Of all the right-wing meme ideologies the "dark enlightenment" is the most neckbeard.

This desu.

t. Muslim

yes, that one's an obvious troll, though

IQ is a Jewish supremacist social construct.

IQ was invented by a Jew and Jews outperform everyone, big surprise. Intelligence can't be quantified in any meaningful way, and IQ tests are just pattern recognition anyways.

t. jealous low IQ pleb

>trying to use the average tests scores of people from various sizes of groups and income and environments and then Implying that this scores alone are the only factors is fair
do you really think the people that do these tests don't adjust for SES?

Oswald Spengler is the man you're looking for. He's one of the few reactionaries who wasn't all about the J0000000ZZZ or some shit like that and was also even respected by some leftists like Adorno.

>Alt right thought is still founded in the basis of egalitarian Christian enlightenment thought

No it's not. That's what separates it from the mainstream right, you sillyhead.

>tttthe ones doing this test and making statements about what they mean are right cuz I agreenwith them but I'll probably happily tear up the ones I don't agree with

I think that to just simply say that an IQ test is solid undeniable proof that some stormfags theory that blacks are savages is unsound is all

Does anyone here actually believe that racism is an unintelligent belief?

You're using the word should, thought I'd let you know

Not the 'races are different part' but the

'My race is the fucking best race' part

Notice that the most intelligent people don't go out complaining about dindus

The most intelligent don't go out and complain about them, they quietly manipulate policies and markets to destroy them. This is why 50% of black babies are aborted, this is why the black family is a distant memory. They weren't always this bad.

>I'm only protecting my own race which is the best even though I believe it's so easily destroyed by another race

And even when you consider that the race that cries about it the most isn't even doing that bad yet, and You 'racial realists' are just as fucking sensitive and hysteric and the sjws

???
all I said is that the tests are adjusted for SES
well I mean taken into account with all the other evidence
though I wouldn't use the word savages

>they weren't always this bad

So in the times of abhorrent racism and you admitting that they were purposefully brought down, they were still not as good as whites

I honestly have no idea what the source for your greentext here is, is that your attempt at strawmanning?
Also you have way too many pronouns in that incoherent sputtering?

(See Africa)

What evidence, serious manipulation of black societies and total warping and perverting of any culture they try to produce?

Leaving them in poverty even after slavery and telling them to fucking do better even though everyone said they hated them or understood not hiring one?

Almost reminds me of the irish indentured servants, or the heavily disliked chinese

The parts that have been uninhabitable and harsh to live in and grow a civilization in or the parts that were conquered?

The parts that are crawling with every type of resource from diamonds to timber to cattle that the native population did nothing with four millenia before the first European ever set foot there, not even develop a written language or simple boat

For* woops

Yeah it almost does, til you realize that the Irish eventually stopped being discriminated against.

Yeah it almost does, until you realize that the Chinese came from an entirely different cultural background, came here willingly (at least not taken by whites) and received their own different set of stereotypes.

Not to mention that their fucking sense of cultural wasn't slaved out of them and they weren't bred like animals.

Almost tho.

you can admit that black people were fucked over without resorting to debunked tabula rasa bullshit

Lol if your civilization didn't last long enough for me to call it a nigger land than you must have never even tried anything ever.

>eventually stopped being discriminated against

This happened because they assimilated and proved that they could function meaningfully in a western capitalist society.

>ethno-nationalism
>market worshiping
>technology fetishism
The worst thing is that people think they're somehow related to fascism.

This is an argument in your mind? What is happening to Veeky Forums ?