Sappho vs. Catullus who is the better roman poet?

Sappho vs. Catullus who is the better roman poet?

Sappho is Greek

Catullus
Mainly for reasons already stated.

alright lets not go full retard here. just answer the question

Catullus still

If you didn't read it in the original Latin, then what even kind of question is this?

>asks which is the better roman poet
>lists a greek as an option
>omg u guize just answer the question

okay who is the better Irish author, James Joyce or William Faulkner?

Catullus because his villa is down the road from my home.

william faulkner because if he was irish he would be better

Who is a better French playwright Jean Genet or Bertolt Brecht?

>using writers who lived within five centuries of each other as a counteranalogy

I'll keep this in mind for a good ragebait thread if I'm ever bored enough

Catallus' sapphic verses aren't good. Though neither are Sappho's, or at least what remains of hers.

well you're obviously a huge lesbian retard

>Huge Lesbian
You repeat yourself.

Seriously though guys, Sappho is irrelevant when compared to Pindar.

>You repeat yourself.
This would have been pretty funny if he said 'lesbian huge' instead.

Leaving aside the fact that Sappho was Greek, and that comparisions may all be invidious, the question is still unanswerable: we have, by chance, many complete poems of Catullus, but almost none of Sappho's; and while Catullus did write in the lyric style modelled on the Greek, he also produced forms such as epigram that we don't have from Sappho.

Apples and oranges my man. Whitman isn't irrelevant when compared to Crane.

It's impossible to make a proper aesthetic judgement of poetry in a dead language, so all we can really go on is authority. And authority says Sappho is by far the greatest lyric poet in antiquity (Plato naming her the tenth muse).

We have LITERALLY one whole poem by Sappho.

Anyone who is ranking Sappho has LITERALLY never read her.

Also, Sappho was Greek.

Which one is the whole?

the only one that is a complete poem and not a fragment of a fragment of a line

We have LITRALLY no whole novels by Kafka
Anyone who is ranking Kafka has LITERALLY never read him.
Also, Kafka was a Jew.

well i did read sappho in the original latin so yeah

nice

>alright lets not go full retard here.
You already went there.

Kek

We have LITERALLY no whole novels by DFW
Anyone who is ranking DFW has LITERALLY never read him.
Also, DFW was born in Ithaca (NY), not the Greek island.

That's true, though, since Crane finished poetry.

the better Irish author is the GOAT, W.B. Yeats

>(Plato naming her the tenth muse).

More precisely, an epigram attributed to Plato at Athologia Palatina 9.506:

Nine are the Muses, some say: how thoughtless!
See: Sappho of Lesbos is the tenth.

We have almost nothing of Sappho

>Athologia Palatina 9.506

"Anthologia"

This isn't fair, there's only fragments left of Sappho to be compared with a whole book by Catullus.
That being said, Catullus is very much totally and competently OKAY as a poet.
and I've read the original Latin

ego pedicabo te et irrumabo

I don't know that it is impossible to judge poetry in a dead language. Although we are temporally and culturally distant from both Sappho and Catullus, ancient Greek and Latin do have continuous traditions of intelligibility (i. e., they are dead languages, but were never lost languages), and we have enough contextual material to be reasonably sure of the meaning, sound (except for music), technical principles, and aesthetic criteria of ancient Greco-Roman lyric; and of the opinions of the ancients.

This doesn't mean OP's question is necessarily a good one, or an answerable one (for the reasons given above).

Yeah, there's my point. No maturity thing to ever be written.