>13. Many leftists have an intense identification with the problems of groups that have an image of being weak (women), defeated (American Indians), repellent (homosexuals) or otherwise inferior. The leftists themselves feel that these groups are inferior. They would never admit to themselves that they have such feelings, but it is precisely because they do see these groups as inferior that they identify with their problems. (We do not mean to suggest that women, Indians, etc. ARE inferior; we are only making a point about leftist psychology.) >14. Feminists are desperately anxious to prove that women are as strong and as capable as men. Clearly they are nagged by a fear that women may NOT be as strong and as capable as men. >15. Leftists tend to hate anything that has an image of being strong, good and successful. They hate America, they hate Western civilization, they hate white males, they hate rationality. The reasons that leftists give for hating the West, etc. clearly do not correspond with their real motives. They SAY they hate the West because it is warlike, imperialistic, sexist, ethnocentric and so forth, but where these same faults appear in socialist countries or in primitive cultures, the leftist finds excuses for them, or at best he GRUDGINGLY admits that they exist; whereas he ENTHUSIASTICALLY points out (and often greatly exaggerates) these faults where they appear in Western civilization. Thus it is clear that these faults are not the leftist's real motive for hating America and the West. He hates America and the West because they are strong and successful. >16. Words like "self-confidence," "self-reliance," "initiative," "enterprise," "optimism," etc., play little role in the liberal and leftist vocabulary. The leftist is anti-individualistic, pro-collectivist. He wants society to solve every one's problems for them, satisfy everyone's needs for them, take care of them. He is not the sort of person who has an inner sense of confidence in his ability to solve his own problems and satisfy his own needs. The leftist is antagohistic to the concept of competition because, deep inside, he feels like a loser. davesag.com/unabomber/2leftism.html
Was this the greatest critique of late 20th early 21st century leftist thought?
Clearly a strawman of epic proportions. Only a retard could disagree.
Cameron Davis
stingingly accurate. he's right about what you've greentexted, at least.
Justin Stewart
ahmet emre?
Gabriel Butler
a lot of it is spot on, though this part is not fully thought through
>The leftist is anti-individualistic, pro-collectivist
many leftists are very individualistic in the sense they oppose mass culture, but are not individualistic in a self reliance type of way (he mentions this in 16, but I wish he would have went into more detail about the contradictions in leftist individuality)
Logan Parker
I also noticed that. I call it atomism more than collectivism; leftists oppose things that anchor identity, or don't believe they exist. The hubbub in Europe is happening because Leftists thought people were interchangeable atoms and you could stick a few million from one place in another place and that'd be fine.
And when cultures clash, it's white people's fault for not integrating them well enough, because it can't be that their ideology is incompatible with western values because those things don't exist.
Otherwise pretty good. I had an assignment in my final semester that was commenting on the section that talks about modern industrial capitalism as inherently alienating and depriving people of human dignity. Who would've guessed they would forget a part like this is in there.
Henry White
Seconding. This is a sorely underrated analysis of left vs right disputes.
Levi Hernandez
>He hates America and the West because they are strong and successful.
and then he mailed bombs to a bunch of random people for being successful in an industry he didn't like.
Alexander Long
>leftists extending tabula rasa beyond birth pretty much agree.
Nathan Sullivan
>The hubbub in Europe is happening because Leftists thought people were interchangeable atoms
You're confusing leftism with capitalism.
Isaiah Carter
they have combined
Jackson Nguyen
They're not mutually exclusive. Really nothing is mutually exclusive with capitalism. Capital subsumes everything that sticks around long enough. Now causes that used to be the province of hard leftists are used to further the ends of capital.
Mason Hughes
Disagree. They operate on different spectrums that both degrade and reinforce one another in different ways.
Tyler Evans
just when I thought /pol/ posters couldn't be any more dumb.
Blake Hall
No, leftism is the opposite of capitalism. What that means exactly depends on the flavor of leftism.
Cooper Collins
maybe combined isn't the word co-opted is perhaps the better term
Leo Brooks
No. Leftism is a social/political theory, not an economic theory.
Co-opted is the perfect term.
Easton King
assimilated and neutralized, you mean? it's anything but "the same thing". the so-called "left" still is against capitalism, but it's safely stowed away in the dark corner of "academia" where it can do anything but change anything in the "real world".
Adrian Phillips
>assimilated and neutralized, you mean? yes it's quite beautiful to witness
Jackson Campbell
You're confusing the supposed ideology of the "left" with the actual practiced beliefs of self-proclaimed "leftists".
Liam Garcia
>No. Leftism is a social/political theory, not an economic theory.
No, not even close. Identity politics is just another form of consumerism - it's a diversion for the puerile-minded of all political persuasions.
Real leftism opposes the concentration of power over material resources; that's the only political game in town for grown-ups.
Andrew Clark
I'm now convinced that whoever unironically believes in the idea of a "left" as a unified thing is genuinely retarded.
Basically, anyone who uses convenient, wide-range labels in his arguments.
Kayden Kelly
29. Here is an illustration of the way in which the oversocialized leftist shows his real attachment to the conventional attitudes of our society while pretending to be in rebellion aginst it. Many leftists push for affirmative action, for moving black people into high-prestige jobs, for improved education in black schools and more money for such schools; the way of life of the black "underclass" they regard as a social disgrace. They want to integrate the black man into the system, make him a business executive, a lawyer, a scientist just like upper-middle-class white people. The leftists will reply that the last thing they want is to make the black man into a copy of the white man; instead, they want to preserve African American culture. But in what does this preservation of African American culture consist? It can hardly consist in anything more than eating black-style food, listening to black-style music, wearing black-style clothing and going to a black-style church or mosque. In other words, it can express itself only in superficial matters. In all ESSENTIAL respects most leftists of the oversocialized type want to make the black man conform to white, middle-class ideals. They want to make him study technical subjects, become an executive or a scientist, spend his life climbing the status ladder to prove that black people are as good as white. They want to make black fathers "responsible," they want black gangs to become nonviolent, etc. But these are exactly the values of the industrial- technological system. The system couldn't care less what kind of music a man listens to, what kind of clothes he wears or what religion he believes in as long as he studies in school, holds a respectable job, climbs the status ladder, is a "responsible" parent, is nonviolent and so forth. In effect, however much he may deny it, the oversocialized leftist wants to integrate the black man into the system and make him adopt its values.
This is good too.
Jordan Carter
it is not the 19th century anymore, leftists pivoted to culture a long time ago
Nicholas Campbell
>Real leftism
Colton Sanders
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Julian Ward
That's consumer capitalism. If you think it has anything to do with leftism, you've been conned.
Eli Barnes
I bet you have a screaming tantrum when you see people posting about "cultural Marxism" and say there's absolutely no basis for such an idea whatsoever.
Jonathan Collins
That has been the majority of 'real leftism' since WW2. Probably because free markets with safety nets outperformed socialist utopias in almost all economic metrics. Leftists can no longer rely on economic arguments, so they pivot to culture, false consciousness, and consumerism.
Jason Torres
0/10.
Juan Wright
fucc u
Luis Watson
How so? The only place where I have seen leftists in the economic arena is around globalization and unfortunately environmentalism. Outside of that most leftism is focused on 'theory'...
Christian Allen
>Outside of that most leftism is focused on 'theory'... You got conned.
Mason Mitchell
Most leftism that doesn't involve economic collapse and crashing nation states with no survivors, that is.
Angel Ortiz
>conned you keep saying that, are you going to provide anything substantial to back that up. Unless you are going to say that the modern safety net is a leftist invention, though I would say it is a centralist/liberal one.
Charles Price
>one generalization after another >"great critique"
shit critique, shit thread.
Hudson Edwards
Your graphic reinforces my point.
James Adams
Critiques of inequality have yet to manifest into any real political action, unless you consider adbusters in the park political action.
Charles Evans
I want the Ayn Rands to go shitpost elsewhere
Cameron Bailey
You should read the whole Unabomber Manifesto before posting about him. Nothing to do with Ayn Rand.
Jonathan Wright
No leftism is all of these and we need more specific vocabulary to discuss these issues.
Juan Sanchez
It's good, but it assumes that there is a "white" culture in contrast to black culture. Are trailer trash and rednecks white culture? Frats? How about Pizza, is that white food? Notice that the same superficial culture things he mentions are the only remnants of italian, irish, greek, and polish culture in the US, and that Mexicans are quickly becoming the same.
"White" culture is a codeword for "well adjusted middle class", maybe if we called it such they would finally fucking assimilate so the stormfront fags would go away.
Dylan Jenkins
Will this left/right meme ever die?
Ian Hall
this supposed "real left" doesn't exist, the left exists solely as a way to import (mainly) Muslims they think those Muslims will turn into their good little pet revolutionaries but they obviously won't, soon they'll either take over the main left parties or form their own the left has been doing so much damage control on this issue that traditionally leftist issues like climate change or income inequality have been tossed by the wayside it mostly has, the left is dying and the right is fracturing between neolibs and nationalists the future will be nationalists v globalists v political Islam while China starts making genetic supermen
Caleb Nguyen
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Jonathan Hughes
I'm not implying that it's some orchestrated conspiracy my dude talk to one of the (smarter) leftists and they themselves will admit that the left is in the middle of a crisis though they haven't realised it won't be recovering from it
Gavin Sanchez
yes
Luis Price
>critique >just a series of someone who claims he knows what the other is thinking Pure ideology
Jaxson Hill
>>Was this the greatest critique of late 20th early 21st century leftist thought?
