>spend 10 years avoiding Derrida because I think he's some final boss of philosophy >decide to read up on him this week on a whim >he was a literal meme retard >Of Grammatology was B+ at best, same shit done by a dozen other guys in the 20th century except they actually worked out their ideas instead of just being a trendy celebrity with them >The Truth in Painting is exact same thing, just read Barthes and ten other guys instead >only a trendy celebrity because horrendous parody-of-themselves-tier philosophers like Zizek, Deleuze, Debord, Lacoue-Labarthe greased the wheels for him to be famous >would have been nobody if (also a shit hack totally derivative of Saussure fuckup moron) Levi-Strauss hadn't launched him to fame while at the peak of his own fame >these famous post-structuralists didn't even understand him, even HE thought they didn't understand him >unpleasant as fuck, just a weird dude who acquired celebrity status >got mad at people constantly for not understanding his "deconstruction", kept getting mad at interviewers all the time >admittedly even he, himself, didn't understand deconstruction >every coverage of his """""""""ideas"""""""" is 90% composed of WASN'T HE QUIRKY??? >SO QUIRKY!!!! >surrounded by yes-man morons (opinionless voids) everywhere >respectable publishers at the time and French clubs of philosophy sucking his dick all the time >even though no one understood him and only because of his """"""ECCENTRIC""""""" personality they'd scribble down "His ideas come to us as if by revelation. He is a divine god and I want to suck his cock." >literally a meme >literally a retard >just the shitty Heidegger of a bygone generation
Alright, no more joking around. Continental philosophy people are fucking morons. Kant, Lacan, Foucault, I kept forgiving and forgiving and forgiving you people for worshiping actual autistic children like these fucks, thinking Derrida was going to be some top secret French spice like Saussure 2 Electric Boogaloo. And it's just more shit. You are actually all morons.
This isn't banter. If you are a continental philosopher, or a fan of any continental philosopher, YOU are a MORON.
Could have been a good pasta but all these people hate Derrida, especially Deleuze
Kevin Jackson
This is pasta from Wittgenstein, no?
Austin Richardson
Kant is not continental
Easton Carter
Actually, Deleuze considered Derrida his good friend even though they didn't agree on anything.
Jaxson Ward
Ok sure, but thats just because Deleuze was chill like that
Mason Kelly
p sure zizek praised his ideas a bunch of times
Jose Martin
foucault was deleuze's true arch nemesis
Colton Russell
>Kant, Lacan, Foucault
One of these is not like the others.
Carson Richardson
I mean there is a reason Derrida has been a dead dog even in shit comp-lit departments for 15-20 years.
People on here think he is still important because (a) they went to shit schools and their professors just teach the same shit they learned in grad school 30 years ago, or (b) Derrida is taught to undergrads because he ruined literature departments for so long they feel like they have to teach him to undergrads.
James Mitchell
Kant is the father of continental philosophy. Check out his Wikipedia article again.
Luis Rivera
I am 73 years old and I have been on this board for years. I have never seen any post like this. I can assure you that Derrida is an +A level philosopher who brought us deconstruction.
Brody Richardson
Kant is the father of all philosophy that came after him, including analytic philosophy.
There would be no Frege or Carnap without Kant. And Sellars, Rawls, C.I. Lewis, Peter Strawson, Korsgaard, McDowell, are pretty big names in analytic philosophy...
Hudson Moore
calling Derrida "derivative" of Saussure shows just how little you understand both of them, lmao
Chase Barnes
he is still pretty important for postcolonial studies, i should think
Caleb Morales
>WASN'T HE QUIRKY???
For all the Athenians and strangers which were there spent their time in nothing else, but either to tell, or to hear some new thing.
Guess he figured it out. Probably had to read a book though. Weaksauce.
Zachary Moore
Yes
Isaac Cooper
Well, all the worse for postcolonial studies I guess
Luke Lopez
>only a trendy celebrity because horrendous parody-of-themselves-tier philosophers >not including Lacan as the absolute quintessence of that category
Andrew Baker
>Lacan >Philosopher
pls let this meme die
Justin Morales
Derrida at least looks like a final boss
Nathaniel Morris
What the fuck was he then?
Ian Allen
Suck my fucking dick you fucking retard.
Wyatt Mitchell
i think its levi strauss
John Robinson
le worlds greatest topologist of course
Samuel Carter
>he didn't know Derrida is a pseud
Andrew Diaz
that's not really an answer to the question nor is it even as much as an appropriate response.
Chase Bennett
ah i see. i don't really think that's a fair characterization either, though. haha.
if you want to go after derrida, though, go after him on his obsession with "metaphysics;" marx had already killed it with historical materialism. ethics are the real problem, which derrida would have known if he were a better reader of neitzsche.
Sebastian Martin
lacan is le best le knot theorist! SUBJECTIVITY IS PRESERVED UNDER ALL CONTINUOUS DEFORMATIONS!!!
Grayson Brooks
i don't wanna go after derrida, i love him
Noah Clark
don't worry, historicism can always rehabilitate. what Derrida is in need of is a "return to Nietzsche," in the same way Lacan engineered a "return to Freud"
Landon Edwards
fucking lol. if you want to go after derrida go after the fact he is a derivative fake who was a shit reader of the philosophical tradition and didn't know when to fucking quit it with his stupid rhetorical ticks
Daniel Edwards
Come on guys, he is at least as much of a philosopher as Diogenes of Sinope. As far as I know he just acted like a douchebag in order to prove it is possible to act like a douchebag. Sounds like somebody else.
Tyler Jones
Not as good a philosopher as Bobby 'Don't Worry be Happy' McFerrin though!
Eli Anderson
Kant is not one of the bad guys - he was an actual philosopher (despite his regrettably tortuous writing style).
In the interest of naming the enemy, here is the list of pseudo-philosophical charlatans you want to avoid:
Fucking Hegel? Are you serious? He created the foundation for all of materialist thought
Sebastian Roberts
They are all le epic personalities and """"funny"""" and """""""quirky"""""" celebrities, not philosophers.
Elijah Rivera
you aren't even wrong
Juan Ortiz
ITT : people talking about authors they never read
Blake Taylor
Philosopher here!
Hegel, Heidegger, Gadamer, Lacan, Adorno, Sarte, Levinas, Merleu-Ponty, Arendt, Ricoeur and Foucault are all real philosophers, and range from excellent to merely interesting.
Benjamin is a great thinker, but I don't think he is a philosopher (not that he isn't more interesting than many philosophers). Deleuze is a mixed bag, Zizek is an entertainer, and the rest are frauds.
Benjamin Thomas
Sorry! I didn't mean to include Lacan on the philosopher list!
what a silly thing to say!
Elijah Foster
>foundation for all of materialist thought
Epicurus and Democritus
David Howard
...
Elijah Evans
Levi-Strauss and Barthes are NOT philosophers.
Bentley Cruz
levi-strauss is hugely important in several areas of philosophy because he is a theoretician of geisteswissenschaten
barthes too but not so much
James Cook
Current materialist thought. He's really fucking important is the thing
Isaac Hall
All continental philosophy is is the obfuscation of unsubstantiated opinions.
Andrew Ross
>Current materialist thought
Please tell me who you are thinking of.
Jaxon Clark
HAHAHAHAHA
YOU FUCKING RETARD
Nathaniel Price
>Claude Levi-Strauss
what an unfortunate name
Hudson Martin
Heidegger is the paradigm example of a gibberish-spewing bullshit artist who masquerades as a 'philosopher'.
Jose Taylor
Bullshit - you are clearly not a philosopher. Nobody studies any of those figures in philosophy.
Camden Jones
No, he isn't. He is never cited by actual philosophers - materialist or otherwise.
Cooper Clark
1. not true 2. i don't work on them, but that doesn't mean i don't read and enjoy them.
how's undergrad?
Lincoln Martin
pls read more
Luke Gutierrez
Zizek, the list goes on :^)
Luis Ramirez
Agreed.
Anyone who reads deconstructive texts with an open mind is likely to be struck by the same phenomena that initially surprised me:
>the low level of philosophical argumentation >the deliberate obscurantism of the prose >the wildly exaggerated claims >the constant striving to give the appearance of profundity (by making claims that seem paradoxical, but under analysis often turn out to be silly or trivial)
Christopher Ward
funny man ;)
and don't forget Malabou. the most important philosopher working on phil mind/neuroscience alive!
Caleb Scott
Nobody studies any of those figures in philosophy. Nobody even cites them.
Jack Allen
Why is there a sudden influx of anti-Derrida (and anti-continental in general) posters these last two weeks? I thought we had all agreed to coexist peacefully, analytic friends jerking off to logical systems while continental friends pretended they were "organless" transgender lolis for some deep Foucault roleplaying, but you people are shitposting at extreme levels.
I mean, Derrida is sort of passe, but to claim he has no influence at all in any meaningful school or shit like that is just being ignorant and considering only anglophone, logic oriented departments are worth a shit.
My nigga by all accounts Derrida was actually tsundere for Debord, who wanted nothing to do with him.
The only reason based Benji isn't a philosopher is that Adorno and Panofsky were too dumb to understand the Origin of German Drama (but so what, so am I, I could barely make it past the intro lel)
Sebastian Murphy
>considering only anglophone, logic oriented departments
This is an English-speaking board, troll. Also, even globally, philosophy = what you call 'analytic' philosophy. "Continental philosophy" is not a thing, except on Veeky Forums. Pseuds like Derrida are only read by other pseuds in shit fields like "Cultural Studies".
Evan Allen
This isn't true. Let's walk through a few departments: NYU: i count 6 people on the faculty who have interests in some of these figures Columbia: i count 8 Pitt: I count 5 Chicago: I count 9 Harvard: I count 6 Yale: I count 6 Berkeley I count 7
do i need to continue? fucking learn something about your field.
Julian Green
There are (few, but still) anglophone departments who aren't necessarily continental.
You're just mad you didn't understand some shit on you week studying on Grammatology or some shit, but honestly, tell me how the fuck can analytic philosophy say something about, say, aesthetics, without sounding completely retarded.
And before you say Danto, you must take the following into account: A) he had one good idea through a 60 year old career which he milked like no tomorrow B) he's a fucking hack C) even that one good idea depended on his studying of continental philosophers
Jose Scott
Bullshit. Name who you are talking about. And stick to top 5 departments (NYU, Rutgers, Princeton, Michigan, Pittsburgh).
Robert Howard
Nelson Goodman, Richard Wollheim, Kendall Walton, Noel Carroll, Monroe Beardsley, Peter Kivy, Malcolm Budd, etc. etc.
Logan Fisher
I got my phd from one of those departments you stupid fuck.
NYU: Anja, John Richardson, Beatrice, robert hopkins, anthony appiah, david velleman rutgers: martin lin, howard mcgary, susanna schellenberg, princeton: des hogan, alexander nehemas pitt: brandom, mcdowell, thompson, Japa Pallikkathayil, stephen engstrom,
Colton Wood
yep. best essay i've read in the last few years:
richard moran: "kant, proust and the claim of beauty"
perhaps the best writer on aesthetics in the analytic tradition: stanley cavell
Jacob Parker
>I got my phd from one of those departments you stupid fuck.
Really? I got my PHD from one of those departments, so I would probably have heard of you if you did.
You're listing people who cite Hegel and *maybe* Heidegger, but not Derrida etc, and who are in any case not representative of mainstream philosophy. Brandom and McDowell are the only big names on that list, and they are famous for their heterodoxy and obscurantism.
Angel James
jesus christ you are a fucking idiot.
look at the list of people I said were interesting philosophers: Derrida is not on it.
And everyone I listed is a prominent philosopher. Sorry if you haven't heard of...people at the department you got your PhD from.
Daniel Cook
Also you are lying. I don't believe you have a PhD if you don't think David Velleman, Susanna Schellenberg, Alexander Nehamas, Beatrice Longuenesse, or anthony appiah are 'big names'
Caleb Ortiz
>jesus christ you are a fucking idiot.
I can tell you don't have a PHD in philosophy.
>look at the list of people I said were interesting philosophers: Derrida is not on it.
"Gadamer, Lacan, Adorno, Sarte, Levinas, Merleu-Ponty, Arendt, Ricoeur and Foucault" are ALL people on your original list, and none of them are cited with any frequency in philosophy. Do I need to post links to citation data?
>And everyone I listed is a prominent philosopher. Sorry if you haven't heard of...people at the department you got your PhD from.
Of course I've "heard" most of their names in passing at some point, but they are certainly NOT prominent philosophers. In every department you will have marginal figures who focus on history of philosophy, or philosophy of art, or some shit. These are not part of the mainstream conversation in philosophy, which revolves around issues in metaphysics, epistemology, philosophy of language, and philosophy of mind.
Owen Foster
okay: explain your dissertation to me. you can copy and past your abstract if you like
Jaxon Taylor
>marx had already killed it with historical materialism no lol >ethics are the real problem not rly >omg these people believe something i dont like that means theyre LIOTERALLY BOOGEYMEN HITLERS HOW DARE THEY NOT LIVE THEIR LIVES TRYING TO FURTHER MY STEM IDEOLOGY Modern philosophy is a joke that has devolved into STEM-and-Societies pandering nonsense that gets upset when prose beyond a high school level is used. Plebbit and Veeky Forums trolls/teens have invaded; idiots that think 'ITS NOT STUDIED IN FUCKING 2016AT THESE REALLY FAMOUS SCHOOLS' is a conclusive argument that ends all arguments. >IF ITS NOT SUPER FAMOUS AND POPULAR AND THESE SUPER FAMOUS-POPULAR UNIVERSITIES THAN ITS FUCKING DUMB OMG ITS 2016 >IF ITS NOT MAINSTEAM THAN ITS FUCKING DUMB ITS 2016 YOU HAVE TO DO THINGS I LIKE AND BE TRENDY
Fucking children ruining my Veeky Forums His dissertation: its 2016 and any philosopher or philosophy not circlejerked over by my academics at these incestuous schools that are only good because I SAID THEY ARE are bad and also its 2016 time to stop being white
Jeremiah Baker
I took a class with David Velleman. I remember reading Appiah's early work on conditionals. The others may be big names in your quasi-continental world, but are not well-cited in mainstream philosophy.
David Phillips
i'm limiting myself to the top 30 or so departments in the english speaking world and finding tons of people who read, write, talk about and cite these figures. and these people themselves are cited all the time. you know jack shit about philosophy. I work in a technical field, but i study philosophy, so i know what goes on in the field, what a fucking embarrassment you are.
Leo Gonzalez
Ah, I was wondering when you would find this thread. How was your Monday, trollboi?
Kevin Howard
Wait, I thought you had a PHD from a top 5 philosophy department? Are you dropping that charade now?
And no, those people are not well cited outside their respective niches, if at all.
Parker Adams
I meant just looking through the top 30 or so departments. I have my phd from one of the four departments i mentioned people by name from. what you are saying is just wrong.
wait, have i been trolled? you haven't shown you even know the first thing about the field of philosophy. in fact you've demonstrated the opposite. oh well.
Ethan Bennett
Why do you think 'IF YOU POST THING I DONT LIKE YOUR A TROLL' is an argument?
Go boast about your fake PhD on Veeky Forums or something. I'm sick of you spoiled, unpublished, uneducated brats shitting up this board because they aren't trendy or progressive enough for you.
Philosophy is not a STEM sperg field that focuses on modern theories, it does not work on falsification and there is no linear progression. i said thing so its true. Of course it's a troll
>I do not understand these people, therefore they are bad !
Jaxson Phillips
>This is an English-speaking board, troll. Also, even globally, philosophy = what you call 'analytic' philosophy. "Continental philosophy" is not a thing, except on Veeky Forums. Pseuds like Derrida are only read by other pseuds in shit fields like "Cultural Studies". each one of your sentence shows your lack of understanding the society
Camden Harris
>tell me how the fuck can analytic philosophy say something about, say, aesthetics, without sounding completely retarded. Read Hume and Kant. Shut the fuck up, you type like a child. Continental """philosophers """ aren't evere mentioned in academia for a reason.
Analytic Philosophy = real philosophy based on logic and reason Continental """Philosophy""" = bullshit garbage obscuritism mentioned in sociology departments at best, heh. It's not difficult to understand, only a PSEUD who's too stupid to understand real philosophy that he has to resort to "poetic" nonsense, would say otherwise.
Logan Gomez
I am the person with an actual PhD from a top 5 'analytic' department and he may have been one of the people I was arguing with, but what he is saying is pretty much accurate.
Joseph White
Riiight. So what did you mean when you said "I work in a technical field, but i study philosophy, so i know what goes on in the field" ?
Dylan Richardson
Someone who was too stupid to even understand undergraduate Phil and hopes he can make it through autodidactism but failed so he has to resort to gibberish detected.
Nathan Barnes
I work on a technical subfield, but I (like anyone with a PhD in philosophy) am expected to know and be conversant with and be able to give feedback on talks and papers in ethics, epistemology, philosophy of language, ancient, modern, kant, foucault, phil. action etc. It doesn't matter if my dissertation is on dynamic approaches to epistemic modals or whether grounding is an irreflexive relation or whatever, i need to be conversant in philosophy. Otherwise I am poorly trained and don't know shit about my field.
Logan Clark
>Shut the fuck up, you type like a child. wow so logical and reasonable
Troll harder. >OMG ITS NOT MENTIONED IN THESE DEPARTMENTS IN 2016 WHY ARENT YOU ENLIGHTENEND AND INTELLETUAL LIKE ME??? Go troll /pol/acks on Veeky Forums you non-entity. Project harder.
I am actually published, I do not make claims of 'OMG MUST BE CITED THIS MANY TIMES IN THIS DEPARTMENT AND ONLY DEPARTMENT I LIKE SO ITS DUMB', I don't boast and perpetually stroke my own intellectual boner on an anime imageboard. but its 2016 if you dont only care about these people i like and these super progressive departments that have more pocs and women in them than evil white men then ur jus tdumb and racist and a troll btw your a troll and if you even reply to me ill call you a troll (this doesnt make me a troll at all though because im super logical and reasonable and am the smartest person alive because an excerpt on my paper on vagina ethics was cited once by tarjeet mcpakislam)
Angel Morales
what is wrong with you?
Jacob Phillips
You type like a /pol/tard teen and spout the same shitty memes they do, I doubt you're published.
Kevin Williams
I'm 28 and only 'spouting memes' because you are a living political caricature and thereby will be treated as such.
Colton Watson
>omg its 2016 how dare you question me?!!?!!?
Matthew Jones
>because you are a living political caricature Says the moron that thinks that Continental """Philosophy""" is mentioned outside of a few isolated incidents in academia.
Levi Ramirez
I think you are confusing who you are talking to. There is the person with a PhD who has shown you to be full of shit, and then there is this weird autist.
Xavier Foster
I never said that
I said that it is irrelevant how trendy something is. >ITS NOT LE PHILOSOPHY IF IT DOESNT PROGRESS MUH STEM AND SOCIETIES ITS 2016 YOU HAVE TO BE TRENDY OR YOUR RACIST
Andrew Perry
it's true that it doesn't matter how trendy something is. I have no idea why you are bundling this up with weird identity politics and 'if you don't like trendy philosophy you are racist'. It is just obvious you don't know what you are talking about.