Going home after 9 pm

Vodka solves that problem.

for many it makes the problems worse

>tfw still extremely anxious in social situations even if I've all but blacked out
Alcohol is a stupid meme

You're a fucking coward. Instead of conquering your fears, you justify them and shake your fist at a world that doesn't give a fuck.

You've never flirted with a girl before? Okay, go get dolled up and flirt with every girl you see tonight. Done, check that off the list.

This is a world of abundance and opportunity, the walls you see are illusions that exist only in your mind.

You might not have the genetics to be one in a million Chad, but you certainly have the ability to smash 6's left and right if you do the following.
>Get Veeky Forums
>Face your social fears. Talk to people every day, don't worry how retarded you will look, you'll get better.
>Actually ask a girl out. For christssakes, I talk to guys like you all the time. I hear the familiar refrain "tfw no gf" and when I ask them "have you asked any girls out the answer is no. What the fuck? I don't run around bitching about how I don't know c++ when I haven't even attempted it.

I could go on. Really you have to conquer your own crippling self doubt first of all. That's the hardest part. Took me years. Oh yeah there's no quick fixes. Good luck man

people don't have sex that much and it's generally protected

...

"Society" is not a conscious being that singled you out as a piece of shit.

YOU prevented YOURSELF from joining in with other people when you were young. Everyone you pass by in that pub has been socially anxious, but you let it cripple you instead of learning from experiences and bettering yourself.

Society doesn't owe you consolation, and women don't owe you attention. Both are earned, and you have failed to earn any. But like all of /r9k/'s disgusting, whining users, you bitterly blame others and exalt yourself as being above them. In your incoherent crying you failed to even make a point.

Don't listen to this bullshit. Kill everyone instead.

>Does a woman's eyes make your heart flutter or are you completely jaded?

I got butterflies after seeing a woman's hand the other day. Not the guy you quoted but I've been going through some sort of crisis/awakening and I thought that was such a strange thing to be attracted to.

This is dangerous advice. All those repressed sentiments can make an explosive comeback and catch you at the lowest point in your life. I'd recommend being more honest and humble but not to the point where you lose confidence in yourself or have to depend on others.

lel what is this empty bullshit? I thought this was supposed to be one of the intelligent boards.

So your solution is to put him down?
You sound like you have issues of your own that you're repressing.

I need to read this book.
Does it provide anything resembling a solution?

Welcome to Veeky Forums faggot

What were you looking for? A chorus to repeat your pathetic moaning back to you? Go back to the robots, or get some of the 12 year olds on /b/ to rally around your bitterness. Veeky Forums is one of the boards for people who are actually somewhat well-adjusted, at least when you're not in a frogposting thread.

Your moaning and idiotic posturing is honestly far worse than anything he said so far dude

They haven't seen any real life yet? You'll probably only be able to get damaged goods, but unless they're violent you should be cool chief.

I don't even care. This self-aggrandizing shit is the most toxic part of any board on this site. The world would be better if frogposters still suffered alone instead of building a community around pretending they're smarter and more in touch with life than "normies." Now they're stuck there forever, and what's worse, stuck here forever.

I'm a little confused when you say empty bullshit; I gave you a to do list. Maybe you were looking for a shoulder to cry on, someone to coddle your defeatist attitude? Go fuck yourself.

Society hasn't fucked you. You've fucked yourself, are fucking yourself, and will continue to fuck yourself every day you put off making small steps towards your own personal "good life."

Where did you pick up that it was self aggrandizing or that he thought he was smarter or more in touch than normal people?

Holy shit youre literally projecting yourself so hard you cant even tell

You are projecting yourself onto another person and then berating that person

Go on acting all tough

Nigger stop defending OP, he's a no-confidence faggot whose blaming the world for his problems. Christ

Whats it like to be so unperceptive and stupid you dont understand basic psychologically development?

Reread the op. He assumes that all guys who have sex are shallow Chads and that all girls in general do nothing but have unprotected sex all day. He views himself as a cultured patrician and laments that the rest don't see him that way.

Op being a waste of life has nothing to do with theories about development.

who does unprotected sex nowadays?
protection always!

Thanks for that no content post, would you like to try again?

You faggots are so transparent. You don't explain shit so nobody can attack your own premises, and then hope they'll defend themselves from your baseless attack.

I know OP is in the midst of "basic pschologically development," which is why I told him he can conquer these issues because they exist within him. OP can't take constructive criticism, and here we are.

actually what happened was you did some posturing under the guise of 'tough love', someone called you out on it, and you had an autism fit, nothing more, sorry dude

>frogposters calling others autistic

Thanks. not him, but I needed that.

Gonna have to spill a painful amount of spaghetti to get to where I need to be

This is how you improve, user. Never go back to the robots.

I don't get this "posturing," I called him a coward and gave him a to do list. You're either a woman, or should get tested for low T bro

I'm going through a sort of crisis myself and over the past week I've started taking steps to improve my situation. I haven't done a whole lot in a practical sense and it'll probably be a long scary road back to social relevance, but the first few steps are encouraging. Some things looked way darker than they actually were.

Reminder that this is the most pretentious board on Veeky Forums with a motley crew of the most vapid pseudo intellectuals to be found anywhere on the internet.

>drink
>get funnier and more sociable
>don't get laid
>drink more
>flirt and make out with girls I just met
>don't get laid
>get blackout drunk
>pull outrageous antics that make me the life of the party
>don't get laid
>regain consciousness at 3am smoking cigarettes outside a convenience store with a bunch of guys

Every single time. Alcohol does not cure your insecurities or your autism. I've been told by my friends that I would blackout, make out with girls, and just walk away without ever getting their numbers. College sucked, and the chip on my shoulder from an entire youth of rejection and failure will probably never go away. I don't try anymore.

God.

this

>be awkward fat child
>smart enough to learn to laugh at life and yourself
>develop humor
>lose weight
>become attractive and popular
>always look out for those jittery, unsocialised weirdos at parties or pubs, making conversation with them, not just out of pity (which is more pity that you yourself might have become like them had you been more paralyzed with enui in your earlier years) but also out of interest for the thoughts of those that must think by way of difference, then, opening them up, you try joking, seriously unserious you try to get them to understand how much bullshit we put on social events, how little everyone know and cares about life and, more than anything, each-other and themselves; eventually subduing them to the comic absurd of total relaxation, whereby everything is pointless and funnier for that
>pat them on the shoulder and belly laugh away into the night

>thinks yourself intelligent
>lacks the resolve to better yourself and situation
>resorts to cheap bitterness and woeful apathy instead
>think yourself intelligent rather than admitting you don't even have that, have probably nothing in fact
>and you feel nothing, not even a lick or jolt, to improve such a lot
>think yourself intelligent
>think this board intelligent

You sound like a decent person user, I share your views but my brain works against me too vehemently for me to be able to do anything like that.

No need for senseless cruelty.

true

oof

How is this false?

>current year
>not having a qt daddy issues weekend girl whose panties melt upon readings of bukowski or blake or similar shit

I'm the same person user. The mind is your possession, not you - the response you give it is the most controllable command, and that response comes from a source undefinable by it's very nature: a soul, an atman, a creative nothing / a consciousness, cogs in evolutionary machines, the empty byproduct of chemicals -- all that relates to the same individual source or phenomenal command. We all have nothing, are nothing really at all; there's only a voice in a box, a ghost in a shell. You, the closest thing to a you, is that voice, and your voice is weak, doesn't even want to suffer and doesn't even realize such a want is the most suffering of all. That is why you are unintelligent, not because you are not smart (I am sure you are smart), but because you let emotions and fears cloud your ability to discriminate accurately, to realize that you have a want to be happy and open, and that there is no reason, no reason other than you, for such a goal to be unreachable.

What I'm saying is not senseless or cruel: it's a reproach to the man who holds himself back, and a call for that better prisoner to do something; to fill that empty nothingness with a valued change he himself wants.

We can all do it user, because that emptiness is inside all of us. It eats and kills many people, but it is the human property of imagination and absence itself: a desire for more, an awareness of what is less. Just understand that you can love such a nothingness, and when you love yourself, and when you act from love and not for it, you will be stable, full again. To be the anything we want, we couldn't be anything else but nothing to begin with. There are no walls to us user, no fears to limit us save the fears we have. You are your own master. Don't pity him.

I wish I had a powerful soul, but it turns out what I have is a body which, whenever I try to overcome my learned helplessness, floods my system with adrenaline, resulting in uncontrollable fear, painful nausea, and brain fog that nullifies any attempt I might make at socializing. It doesn't bother me too much, I can be content alone and I'm a happy person. Maybe one day I'll feel empty enough for the discomfort to be worth it, but for now I'm fine. Just wanted to express my agreement with your point of view and indulge in a bit of self-pity.

It's not a question of having a powerful soul, you don't have a soul - you are your soul, and that soul is as powerful as you yourself let it grow to be. You have limits, rivers of doubt and pain that hold you back - but when you drown in that, don't blame the water, blame yourself; and the weak arms you didn't train, or the poor lungs you didn't excercise, or the thousand "fates" you ignored freely. There's influence and there's your own willpower - don't take the formers overpowering of the latter as evidence of an inability for things to be otherwise. It's all just part of that constant struggle: a finite result in an infinite series of possibilities. Learn to care less, think less but feel more; calm your desires until they're pleasant suggestions and steel yourself bit by bit until they're easy directions. But don't ever pity yourself. You don't deserve pity when every action you've made has landed you here. You deserve love. So do the most loving thing for yourself: achieve what makes your life fulfilling. And never be afraid of the things that get between that. You will be scared, that is fine: then you can be brave. And soon, after years maybe, you might be a step closer. But never pity yourself. That will never get you anywhere.

OP is an insufferable asshole who inadvertently ruined other threads by posting this shit.

I rarely pity myself, as I've said I'm quite content. But I see no reason to fight a difficult battle if the prize doesn't justify the effort.

Here's some insight:
Woman are people just like you.
The same underlying feelings, which attract them to people. You're not giving them any reason to like you, noone can see past the insecure looking person to see the brilliant mind, that you obviously are and harbor.
Also did you approach anyone? Apart of the hollow good looking ones?
You read so much, still you understand so little, you're blaming people for your own flaws, it's like the morbidly obese people saying it's socitys fault for not liking their bodys and not giving them attention.
The problem is you user. Stop the philosophy and start with psychology before you become a wizard.
(Another small thing, looks are nothing compared to personalitys, if you are interesting (you are to some people, you aren't to others) then some girls will see that, but they won't if you live shut up in your room.)

>Woman are people just like you.
They are very different people, because they have been treated very differently all their lives. The rest is true, of course, but anxiety is immune to logic.

Not OP, but what if I got the looks but have no personality?

nuts.

There are losers outcasts and so on with woman too. I've met enough people to notice that all that prejudice is true, but not necessary.
I shouldn't have said woman in general, but to be honest i don't indentify women or men anymore by gender, that's more the second quality, at first i want to know what their personalities like. And that is something which is not genderbound. (At least for the people whom i talk to, i don't talk to mindless bitches or dudes.)
Anxiety is immune, doesn't stop acknowledging the flaws one has and that most people are far more complex than one may think.
Op may be 24, but hes as emotionally fit as a depressed 14 year old.

You've posted here before but I'm pretty sure you're trying out a "character"

It's too forced

This seems neat but the "corporate community" or whatever is pretty vague.

Also Veeky Forums is as much a community as drinking at a bar with your colleagues a few times a week.

Everyone has a personality. Some develop it earlier some later. I myself thought "why would anyone want to do something with me, i'm so boring" which is why i mostly let friends contact me and i never wrote them first. They just like me for whom i am, you don't need anything else to it. You may think you're shallow, but you aren't.
Having the looks is neatly as hard as being ugly, you're handed everything and have to decipher the people who are with you for your looks, and those who are with you because of whom you are.
If you feel shallow, read more, go to conventions (books, any other interests you have) and so on.
There are lessons to be learned that you have to go threw yourself. You will always attrackt the insecure, just loving you for the fact you're goodlooking. Go for people who can talk to you on a certain basis.

Oh yeah, are you introverted? Because being good looking and introverted often makes it seem that you're uppity. That's a hard one as people don't approach you and are afraid to talk to you.

How often do you take risks?

Maybe that is the problem.

Yeah. I dress well, look nice, and most people assume I'm intelligent. I'm not awkward in the slightest, but I keep to myself, so people don't usually approach me. When people get to know me, they're surprised at how kind I actually am.

Start taking initiative then.

Yeah as i thought.
You "keep to yourself", that means you probably look uppity. Try smiling more, it will change how people notice you.

The only girl I'm into at the moment is my cousin, but she lives across the globe from me. We have has incestuous sex before, and no girl even comes close to her unparalleled beauty.

Wow, things are starting to make sense now... Thanks, user. I have a bad case of bitch resting face as a male.

How did you come to the conclusion that I was introverted and most likely appeared uppity? Have you had this problem yourself or is this some kind of common trope among attractive introverts?

I know Veeky Forums tends to hate frogposting, but I appreciate this thread and the posters in it

Well, you know the clichés (good looking guy doesn't want to do stuff with peasants), if you look disinterested (very close to introverted) you look uppity.
Ugly introverted people look awkward, handsome introverted people look uppity. That originates from the fact that most people have the misconception that good looking people are never introverted, as they have no reason to be.
Also i noticed it because a friend of mine told me one of his friends just was introverted, but he looked like he was thought he was on a totally other level.
I. e. start smiling. It will help others come to you much more than you may think. And smiling is a training thing, i trained it quite a lot, and now i just smile for no reason.

Ugh i meant "he looked like the thought he was on a totally other level.
That being said, after that i noticed it with so many other people too, it's quite common.

Huh, interesting. I dress preppy so that doesn't exactly help me either. As for smiling, I'm scared of producing laugh lines and unwanted wrinkles. I don't want to spend $ on Botox either.

You done fucked up your mind with r9k son

Jesus Christ, the typical Veeky Forums narcissism comes out on full force again. Just fucking smile, learn to laugh at stupid shit, including that fucking post you autismo.

What are you talking about? I'm quite okay in my life, i'm just giving advice. I was kinda autistic 2-3 years ago.
Also you're implying that i don't laugh and have fun with friends which is utterly wrong. I do have fun, and used to have fun too. The only thing is to be more outgoing and making it easier to like me for other people by smiling at random people.
Is this bait? You're afraid of aging? Well there is some other stuff that you have deal with apart of the vibes you give.

Yeah, I'm 18. Of course I'm afraid of aging.

What are you on about? Calm your tits, mate.

There's no reason to be afraid of it.
Also with 18 you're to young to be here. You're not balanced enough. No hard feeling on that point.

If you want to get laid, all you need to do is match someone on Tinder, show up, be clean, and listen.

This is it. It's pure narcissism. Do you people think self-pity isn't narcissism? Or self-loathing? Or self-flagellation? This is all about yourself. The only thing that's stopping you is your fear of failure. The reason you're so scared of failing is because you believe you're better than everyone else, so if a woman rejects you, this reflects unacceptably badly on you. Or, in DFW's words:

>"Everybody is identical in their secret unspoken belief that way deep down they are different from everybody else."

Most women are literally just looking for someone who is a) Nice, and b) Clean. The standards are that low.

Hey OP psych fag here

It sound like you are on the verge of flinging yourself headlong into self destruction.

And focauolt would whole heartedly cheer you on. The process of growing is really just alternating stages of crumbling and decay and rebuilding.

Its unfortunate you decided not to take the risks afforded to youth but there is still time.

Don't worry about reputation
don't worry about being good

do what you want
be honest about it

and to get a girl you need to trick them into loving you and either maintaining that facade or hoping the bottom doesn't drop out when you finally come clean.

Mainly becuase women are just as if not more scared of you than you are of them, they need assurence that they will be "safe" with you.
So you can put on all the peacocking you want , come up with the most bo,bombastic (but believable) lies and try to get them to love you.

The dating game is all about manipulation.

>and to get a girl you need to trick them into loving you and either maintaining that facade or hoping the bottom doesn't drop out when you finally come clean.

>So you can put on all the peacocking you want , come up with the most bo,bombastic (but believable) lies and try to get them to love you.

>The dating game is all about manipulation.

lmao dating isn't the same as love. Everybody puts on the best version of themself while they're dating. That's kind of the idea. That wears off over time. That's just what relationships look like and there's nothing wrong with it.

>So you can put on all the peacocking you want , come up with the most bo,bombastic (but believable) lies and try to get them to love you.

Jesus Christ, or you could just listen and take a genuine interest in what they have to say. You don't have to wear a fucking purple hat and do street magic. Just ask them if they have any brothers or sisters, you don't even need to be particularly interesting! If there's a spark, great. If there isn't, that doesn't reflect badly on either of you. Who cares. Dating is fun.

>Most women are literally just looking for someone who is a) Nice, and b) Clean. The standards are that low.
That's shortterm, you won't be able to build a relationship upon that.

I enjoyed your reply

but you are trolling to the max
or you live in a rural christian community.

This.
Some people fit, some don't, it's like a puzzle. You may fit together, but there won't be a picture that results from it.

shut the fuck up birgin faggot

Read jude the obscure.

birgin?
lost the birgcard at 16

i lost your mom when i fucked her last night, she disappeared into my dick and i didn't cum her out

I live in central London

You are aware it's possible to read without being some sort of autistic social outcast, right?

It's okay, i forgive you.
Nothings your faullt.

Didn't know you were into necrophilia.

>Veeky Forums
>well adjusted

Just because you aren't doesn't mean e/lit/ists are as autistic as you.

Just read stuff written by people that aren't elite educated dickheads. Then go and get laid.

Your problems are trivially easy to solve.

Lemme guess
>b-b-but I can't get laid! I don't know how. Wah wah wah.
Even literal retards can get laid. Children can get laid. Everyone likes fucking. If you can't someone to have sex with you by the age of 24 then it is 100% guaranteed that you aren't trying.