FAMOUS WRITERS IN OPEN LETTER: NO TO TRUMP

Yes. New masculinty.

Not the old masculinity of violence, conservatism, and rudeness.

New masculinity is about a love for diversity, sensitivity, and pacifism.

The new masculinity is feminine

THIS. I mean ugh. All this fucking old masculinity has to fucking die already.

Why should it be non-masculine for a man to wear make up?

Why should it be non-masculine for a man to love to sing and dance?

Why should it be non-masculine for a man to cry over the atrocities of his fellow men?

That is just femininity, dumpy, soft, shapeless and malleable.

Everything is so ugly because firmness has been dissipating more and more ever since the age of democracy.

and is that a bad thing? I'm a fairly strong guy (I can squat my bodyweight), yet I'd far rather live in a feminine world and be what you would call "feminine" than live in a toxic male lead world.

Men dancing and singing is far more common in traditional communities.

senpai

um excuse me hunny but when I try to sing "let it go" I get called gay

lmao you *really* hate women

Stephen King is an epic fedora-tipper.

Not unless we include bardic traditions and rectitative. Dancing and singing has historically always been associated with (female) prostitutes.

See for example Theodora.

>and is that a bad thing?
Yes, because the world isn't Haven
>I'm a fairly strong guy
Strength of masculinity isn't related to lifting pointless weights, it's about sacrificing yourself for your God, country and family through hard work, war, intellectual endeavors or any other type of pursuit of virtue.

No, I just see them for what they are.

>I'm a fairly strong guy (I can squat my bodyweight)
lel

too subtle m8, Veeky Forums is full of DYELs that won't catch that.

Historically, dancing and singing was the norm for all classes in Europe for centuries. Heck, it was still only 60-70 years ago.

Here's Johnny!

i think we can already claim with reasonable certainty that this is going to be a pretty bad thread

Not as performance, that has always been in the realm of the courtesan and prostitute, again discounting recitative traditions.

S E T T L E 4 H I L L A R Y

Clinton will beat Trump in a landslide.

Of course, but I'm having lunch and practicing my virtue ethics argumentation when the need arises in social circles.
That's a different thing from saying dancing in general.

Well, I'm sure he meant as performance. These queers are always exhibitionists.

Everyone NEEDS to rally around Hillary in order to prevent this monster from getting into power.

I predict 95% voter turnout for a landslide Clinton victory.

Well he meant it, but the sentence didn't carry that implications very clearly.

The world will be a worse place if people don't for Hillary.

>not being #HillaryArtillery

I hope all these constant Trump threads on Veeky Forums wake people up to the need to support Hillary Clinton in the 2016 election.

>Veeky Forums still being cucked

holy shit you guys are stupid
no wonder you're all clinging on to the hope that you'll be "writers" since you lack any skills in any other areas and you have a laptop

buzzwords and totally unrelated points you're just repeating.
that was surprising.

A Trump presidency would be far more entertaining. That is reason enough to vote for him.

you just ascribed all the qualities of the feminine to the masculine

just like all the qualities of the masculine are ascribed to the feminine and called "feminism"

go put your dick back in a cock cage m8

>People vote for him either because dude hyperreal president lmao # irony dude or because they want the typical arrogant American who watched foot ball and says "I can do better than that" to lead their nation
>He gets elected
>They slowly really many of his big projects are ultimately harmful to the country (or at the very least inconvenient), impossible in theory or impossible practically
>They realize he's not entertaining, he's just incompetent
>In less than 6 months they realize that the person best suited to the presidency isn't the one with the best buzzwords, the one who promises to sustain unsustainable industries, or the one who promises to bring back a job market that will never exist again in the US
>6months to 1 year after election the novelty wears off and people want a new president again
>The president after Trump is a leftist

You heard it here first

name a better candidate

>Stephen Kek thinks his opinion is relevant
Dishonest! Trump loves hispanics!

Memes aside, I wonder how many of these people making public statements about Trump actually believe what they say. He is doing something unprecedented in politics and has been doing it for quite a while now. His methods are designed to work on the vast majority of people, but I wasn't aware that so many educated, supposedly intelligent people would actually be dumb enough not to get any of it.
Sometimes there is a clear reason for them to pretend they think in these simplistic terms. But how could a rich writer benefit from this?

>The history of dictatorship
>encourages aggresion among his followers
They must think the situation is urgent enough to justify this bullshiting as means to an end. They risk being seen as retarded if they're wrong, so they must be quite confident about their political analysis. How does this happen? Or do they knowingly engage in a circlejerk with ignorant people by pretending to be part of the group? This seems unlikely.

I guess they simply have an opinion on a subject they don't understand well enough. That's normal, we all do it, but the lack of self-awareness required to defend this kind of positions in public is astonishing.

not him but here is my take :
my ass>a joke candidate who wouldn't be harmful to the country>a communist candidate who at least would fail while helping people>bernie sander who'll fail while helping people a bit less>any other candidate including republican candidates>shillary clinton the vagina>a fork>donald trump

note that a communist candidate would fail at being elected, while benier "well well" sanders will fail after being elected, so you can replace both of them with one another if you like. I still prefer my ass tho.

I am the ONLY one who has read trump's book on Veeky Forums

>FAMOUS WRITERS IN OPEN LETTER: NO TO TRUMP
>Because neither wealth nor celebrity qualifies anyone to speak for the United States... or to represent its people

oh the ironing

works both ways tho seeing how populist trump's discourse is.
It's just the bourgeoisie fighting with itself, I'd let it go if I were everyone in this board (which would be painful).

>trump posters aren't fed up being banned
Looks like the mods have to work harder desu

this is weak bait

this entire thread has been bait

Paid Hillary shills in full effect.

>the entire capitalist-controlled media juggernaut unites to condemn Trump in one voice
>this doesn't seem odd to the modern campus "socialist" or "anarchist," no, not in the least
>"wow, much as we dislike Hillary, we should make an alliance of convenience with her supporters to keep the racists out of power"
>"he's really SUCH a bad guy"

i am not a shill. Hillary Clinton undoubtedly is the best candidate in my opinion, to be honest she will be the real one to make America great again! LOL

Oh shit guys, Dave Eggers is in on this.
Provided this is real, what will he do next? Make snarky comments until election day and then do a 180 once he realises people like Trump and that there is money to be made rooting for him?

Hillary will be a worse president than Trump and that is why she should win

can political cartoons have literary value?

MAGA

I don't understand these cartoons and comics.

It's not as though real, actual people haven't made very concrete, well-reasoned criticisms of Trump's policy goals on bases other than those of racism, prejudice, and hurt feelings.

Why don't these people address those concerns (i.e., the actual ones that will have an impact) instead of just harping on the morons?

If I learned from The Circle, Eggers will write a "satire" about the new US political system which will do nothing but repeat tired cliches from 10 years ago

The morons are the loudest and the majority of the population, m8

Um.

And Hillary?

Being corrupt is alright as long as you're not a populist?

Which one did you read, the one where he brags about himself and tells stories we've heard making himself look great?

the one that's in the OP you rude motherfucker

and trump is a genius, every aspect of his campaign has been perfect, he is a master at manipulating the media to give him free publicity

Jesus sends the UFOs

Which Trump policies are going to help your life

Gay. Masculinity with all its one-upmanship, aggression and dick-measuring is literally the engine of all progress through human history.

none of them.. I don't support his campaign

no
& no
how's that for an answer ? you don't really have to choose between pest & cholera

you just know he will. against all odds, against the advice of some of the smartest people on the planet. he's gonna be president. and he is going to ruin America, the way he ruined his casino. and his university.

HOW THE HELL DOES SOMEONE *FAIL* at RUNNING A FUCKING CASINO? what happened? did he accidentally set all the one-armed bandits to "WIN" instead of "PAY OFF"?

>Strength of masculinity isn't related to lifting pointless weights, it's about sacrificing yourself for your God, country and family through hard work, war, intellectual endeavors or any other type of pursuit of virtue.

why aren't you in the army then, user? why are you unemployed, and posting on Veeky Forums?

That's a long list of nobodies.

Moron. You don't have to be in the army to pledge yourself to a cause greater than yourself.

>He actually believes that Trump would destroy the country to keep every promise he made while manipulating the media and the public opinion of a whole nation
>He doesn't understand that he would make reasonably good or bad, non-catastrophic decisions, add in a few publicity stunts with vets and ISIS and blame the dishonest media if they gave him shit
>He thinks that Trump's ego and memes are dangerous, not realizing that soft-manered, robotic politicians pretend to believe in anything to mantain political power and consider it to be part of the game while fucking the world up.
>He may unironically consider trump incompetent

A typical politician needs the support of the media to remain popular, which leads to chronic dishonesty. This is the reason why the political discussion in every western country is ridiculously far from reflecting the beliefs of citizens when it comes to topics that would have them dismembered by the media (Gender gaps of every type, racism as obvious explanation for every difference between groups, criticizing islam seen as islamophobia, etc.). This might be harmless if they only flushed money to fight the imaginary evil racist patriarchy, but when you start talking about immigration policies, shit gets real.
Not being able to even discuss terrifying FACTS like the beliefs of muslim immigrants is dangerous. As we are learning in europe, it's really, really dangerous.
Having your foreign policy deeply conditioned by any individuals or groups that can influence the public opinion is dangerous.

Trump only needs Trumping to get votes. So far he has proven to be unbelieveably good at it. He used his social skills, wealth and success story to confront the media and it worked. So every time Trump uses meme nicknames, exaggerates, lies or distorts facts, you can see it happening and you can can understand why he says these things. Trumping his way to presidency.
It makes no sense to fear a man that is bullshiting his own way up instead of letting others do the bullshiting while forcing their own agendas.

Why does everyone act like Trump is Satan? Trump isn't Satan. He's really not that bad.

Violence can be beautiful.

>it's about sacrificing yourself for your God, country and family through hard work, war, intellectual endeavors or any other type of pursuit of virtue
Wow, so many spooks in so few words. Impressive.

you know you could easily say all these things about Hilary.

idc though, unlike most people outside of the united states, I don't care who gets elected president because that person is not going to be my president.

>no Pynchon
>no Phillip Roth
>no Don Delillo
>no Cormac McCarthy

Glad to see the 4 greatest living American authors are Trump supporters.

you don't know what you're talking about, plain and simple

I really wish you would do your own research before implying trump is a failed businessman
his stuff fails at a MUCH lower rate than everybody else, and he has a spectacular record

him getting rid of the estate tax helps all the neets

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Didn't the post make it abundantly clear that it includes things other than the army?
Striner and anyone who unironically uses the word spook is a retard.

Trump is a leftist, relative to Hillary anyway. That's why I think I'm supporting him.

it makes sense for the left to support Trump and the right to support Hillary tbqh

The right isn't statist, assuming we mean conservative.
The big capitalists, if that's what you mean by right already poor money into her and Sanders.

>assuming we mean conservative.
that is a big assumption

>falling for this obvious bait

or are you guys so desperately aching to defend yourselves? who gives a fuck about new or old masculinity

Well the right is value wise generally conservative, or at least when I think conservative philosophy.

I'm going to vote for Donald Trump because he's going to make America great again.

Trump said he wouldn't reduce welfare, if I remember correctly, so that already makes him way more liberal than anyone in the history of the Republican party.

Yup. Trump has voiced support for universal healthcare, campaign finance reform, and non-interventionist foreign policy (albeit after a swift yet brutal conclusion to our current conflicts), and has a long history of opposing trade deals disastrous for the American working class. On the flip side, Clinton supports crony capitalist obamacare, benefits from the current campaign finance system and thus has no incentive to alter it, is one of the biggest warhawks in American politics, and has a long history of supporting trade deals. On social issues like gay marriage and trans people rights to use bathrooms they're essentially in agreement. However Clinton pays lip service to ideas of 'diversity' and 'progressive politics' so somehow she's the voice of the left? Fuck that. Trump is rough around the edges and I'd ultimately support Sanders above him, but he's vastly superior to Clinton.

conservatives are progressives that are 20 years behind
it's not a serious ideology

Sigh.. there are actually a couple decent authors in that list. Sad that they would rather have Crooked Hillary.

Also one of them is named
>Lily White
lol

In mainstream political parties across all non russia Poland Hungary states that's for sure, but philosophically I wouldn't say so.

>denigrates women and minorities
Lol of course these scumbags are racists and misandrists

that wasn't my point laddy
economy's going to collapse early next year, whoever's leading will get blamed
if Hillary wins she will probably destroy America, which is a good thing

What real world, genuinely likely to happen differences would you anticipate between what would happen if Hillary were elected compared to Donald?

I haven't a dog in this fight but in terms of discussion of this point, I never see it. It's always shitflinging

>implying america can be "destroyed"