Is gender identity real or is it a mental illness and is there a scientific basis for genetic sex being distinct from...

Is gender identity real or is it a mental illness and is there a scientific basis for genetic sex being distinct from identified gender?

In Canadian schools now, 3rd grade children are being taught about gender identities and that there are 6 genders not 2.

The genders are:
male
female
trans male/trans man
trans female/trans woman
gender queer/gender non-conforming
different identity

Something just seems off, this doesnt seem legit and feels more like delusions and making something true simply because its more fair this way.

The children are also being taught about gender expression, how they outwardly express their identified gender, ie cross dressing, dying hair, painting fingernails, wearing wigs, etc.

In 10 years will every day be dress-up haloween day? Will we even have male and female bathrooms?

I think this is going too far and will explode after a chain of serial rapings by sexual predators identifying as women in bathrooms and shower rooms, and when a bunch of gender confused boys start cutting off their penises.

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are you gender confused? sorry i may have written that too harshly.

can you comment on this? have you ever thought about cutting off your penis?

I don't think sharing restrooms will cause rape. I do think that teaching that kind of thing will make more kids fags though, since they'll see it as a way to stand out.

Mental illness obviously. If we take "gender dysphoria" seriously, we'd have to take "species dysphoria" (furries) or any other kind of silly dysphoria seriously too.

Being literal fags is not much worse than being figurative faggots.

there have already been a bunch of cases of sexual assault and predation

a 45 year old man identified himself as a woman named collene, and sat naked in a pool of naked teenage girls, and was not charged or anything

bunch of cases of teen boys and predators going into girls locker rooms with phones and taking pictures/videos of naked girls (including children)

not Veeky Forums related.

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>3rd grade children are being taught about gender identities and that there are 6 genders not 2.
Citation needed.
Also

It's not a mental illness. If it were, then decades of discrimination and failed attempts at "curing" people, both gay and trans, would have hopefully yielded less tragic results.

The uneasiness most people feel about trans identities come from preconceived notions about gender and sexuality. In reality, gender roles are derived from culture, of which the West is no different. In other societies there are examples of non-male, non-female "third genders."

> this doesnt seem legit and feels more like delusions
Practically speaking, lower cases of depression and other mental disorders are associated with trans people who are allowed to transition in a safe a supportive way. At some point, the question of whether or not trans is a "delusion" doesn't offer a lot in way of giving health and happiness to a minority of people who have existed as productive members of societies for centuries

> and making something true simply because its more fair this way
More fair sounds like a good deal for the underrepresented, understudied, and discriminated.

>In 10 years will every day be dress-up haloween day? .........

Your bias is showing. There's no convincing some one who's coming at asking a question all wrong.

But whatever. Please don't support fact-devoid legislation born only out of religious affiliations.

>Will we even have male and female bathrooms?

This is the one thing I don't care about. Just make each stall a locking stall with a full door and have a public hand washing area. Problem fucking solved.

Even with the added expense of locking stalls its still cheaper than having redundant bathrooms. Also it triggers the muslem which is good.

I have identified as an attack helicopter from birth and i am triggered by the lack of inclusion

what does teen *boys* creeping on girls have to do with trans people?

On some level, I don't care. Let people identify as they want, as long as they do not hurt anyone else around them. Undergoing massive complex surgeries can only hurt yourself, and your income coming into the hands of doctors can only be good for economy. So you do you, you beautiful man.

Liberals should not be glorifying these people as heroes and conservatives should not be mocking them either.

It is a sad game because the reason liberals glorify people like Caitlyn Jenner is because it was the norm to hate on these people, and this norm was created by conservative.

Hopefully that small insight makes you realize that you gain nothing by saying it is a mental illness.

Also, for something to be classified as a mental illness, it needs to be detrimental for the person, as in it hinders their capacity of working and living life and shit.

A man who thinks he is a woman is still able to be a productive member of society, as long as you don't throw rocks at him.

So everyone, take a few step backs, and realize how meaningless this all is. Let people be people.

On the point of teaching children, if trans people exist in real life, then why not tell children that they exist. As long as it is unbiased (no glorification nor demonification) then it will be okay.

They use the gender dysphoria as an excuse to go into girl's bathrooms

well we don't have cures for other diseases either, does that mean they aren't diseases? the two most basic instincts are to survive and reproduce. just like being suicidal, not being straight works against one of these. you could make the "kin selection" argument for ensuring at least some of your DNA makes it to the next generation, or argue that current technology allows non straights to still reproduce but i believe these are weak arguments in defense of non defect. I don't think we should be actively trying to cure gayness or whatever, because they really aren't hurting themselves or others, but in a a basic biological sense it would appear not being straight is a genetic defect. while I know I'll get flak for this and people asking, "how's it a defect if it happens all across nature" or "how do you know it isn't something totally useful to a species and therefore not a defect," desu idk you could have me there. I just dont think it's unreasonable to assume that when there's only two sexes there could be a common fuck up where we are genetically predisposed to being attracted to the wrong sex. it's just words like defect carry negative connotation but I don't think as people there is anything wrong with them. but they aren't normal functioning humans

Hey, just because I am a perfectly heterosexual man who dresses as man, speaks as a man, does traditionally manly things and is all around just a normal guy, doesn't mean I can't have gender dysphoria.

Also, I can take any electronics I want with me into the bathroom, this is america, LAND OF THE FREE. Just because my phone has a video and sound recording capabilities does not mean that I or anyone else will use all of these things maliciously. Everyone is perfectly good and no one will ever take a good chance, as there are no perverse incentives!

What? That cree videos have a profitable online market? Pff, we are all perfectly good citizens who would never use politics to make an easy profit while we can. RIDICULOUS.

Go back to stormfront!

It's diffidently real. The relationship of mind/body is a very powerful thing and poorly understood thing. Powerful enough to summon illness in someone or cure them with simple suggestion of a placebo.

Gender dysphoria is one of those mind/body things. Simply the mind of a person does not match the body of that person. You could say there's something wrong with their body and prescribe hormones and surgery, or you could say there's something wrong with their mind and prescribe prozac. Neither is correct or incorrect. More research is needed to fully understand the mind/body connection.

what about the fact that less than 1% of the human population is gender confused, and to placate and pander to this 1%, we are making 99% uncomfortable?

what about the billions of naked little girls who now who will walk out of their showers to see a naked full grown man leering at them with a cell phone in hand?

what can they do to stop pedophile rapists from entering girls bathrooms and predating on them?

can this incredibly obvious and dangerous loophole just be ignored for the sake of the feelings of a nanoscopic minority of the human race?

like are we really just allowing grown men to invade little girls locker rooms simply by saying "no no, i'm a woman, my name is angelina, and its my right to be naked and expose myself to little girls now"

You are what you are. If you decide to call yourself something else and demand everyone agree with you, you're the asshole. You can fuck suck or be fucked or sucked by whoever you want (assuming consent) and you can dress, talk, act, effeminate or butch as hell, but your gender was decided for you in utero and I'm not going to pander to your image consciousness.

For the record I'm saying "you" but i'm just talking about any narcissist that needs me to call them something they aren't.

>what can they do to stop pedophile rapists from entering girls bathrooms and predating on them?

Pedophilia is already illegal.

Let me ask you something, Einstein. Right now, what stops a rapist from sneaking into the women's bathroom at Chuck E Cheese and raping a girl?

Crimes will always happen, because crazy people will always exist. All we can do is state the punishment for a crime and hope that the least crazy will be too afraid of the punishment to perform the crimes.

It's not about letting them for me. Of course it's reasonable to say "Let them do what they want" but when someone gets all pissy and starts a fight or takes legal action because he's clearly a "he" and I was supposed to say "She" then I'm tempted to slap a hebitch,

Then that's the point when it hurts other people and I'm sure that no one is pushing legislation to make misgendering illegal.

All they can do is get mad at you, and then all you have to do is walk away.

Shut the fuck up. The gender is a biological issue. It's got nothing to do with the mind. If you "Have a woman's mind in a man's body" you're just an image conscious asshole looking for a fucking identity because just being effeminate or gay wasn't sparkly enough for you. Prove to me that gender is decided metaphysically and then they can have all their extra gender-nonspecific pronouns

Actually every single "transexual" i've ever met has behaved this way and harvard published a list of gender-nonspecific pronouns.

>what about the fact that less than 1% of the human population is gender confused,

You're making numbers up. It is literally impossible to census the number of people suffering from gender dysphoria. People who receive treatment and blend into society leave no trace and there are also many who have this problem but do not seek treatment. That means the only ones who can be censused are those who are open about it (which could literally mean death depending on where you live) or those who have transitioned and fail to pass or blend in.

If they behave like that, you walk away.

Someone publishing a list is not equal to legislation enforcing the list.

You are making up all of your concerns.

ok but that's like saying take down all the "drug free school zone" signs. just because it's illegal doesn't mean we don't need to take extra measures to discourage those from committing the crime. if the rapist already looks suspicious even lingering outside a women's bathroom then we have a reason to ask them to leave. we definitely don't want to give them an open door policy to abuse so they can be that much closer to committing the actual crime because no one is able to speak up when a full grown man is creepily lingering now inside the female bathroom LEGALLY.

>Treatment

So it can be cured or what

That's a good point. Now it is a bit easier to rape.

Well, celebrate. As you or I could one day be in need of raping and now we can do it just that much easily.

nature.com/news/sex-redefined-1.16943

I recommend reading this personally.

Tl:dr the brain is the most complex thing in existence to date so who cares if it goes wrong a bit and you come out half man half woman, you don't wanna be a dick

well, my genius friend, here's a scenario:

A) New bathroom change:
pedophile rapist walks into girls locker room at a public swimming pool and sits down watching all the naked children walk by, possibly snapping photos using a hidden camera. "hoh, well thats just how it is now he has every right to be in here, oh well"

A) Non-insane bathrooms:
Pedophile rapist tries the same thing, sits down, then the police come in, beat the shit out of him, he goes to jail for 10 years, and gets raped repeatedly and stabbed to death.

Which do you prefer, or are you a pedophile rapist yourself?

Your construction is pretty good, I cannot argue against it. It is now literally possible to do that.

Therefore I request your attention to Cheers.

you can dress like a man, act like a man, say you are heterosexually attracted to women, even tell people to call you "he" and STILL identify as a woman

so there is nothing to stop any person with a penis from waving it in front of naked little girls in public bathrooms because THEY decide what they are, not the law.

AFAIK the current treatment options are behavioral cognitive therapy, hormones, and/or surgery. Not all treatment options are needed or desired.

>so there is nothing to stop any person with a penis from waving it in front of naked little girls in public bathrooms because THEY decide what they are, not the law.

Fuck, are you trying to turn me on? I literally got a boner from the though of having young girls look at my massive rod.

Not saying I'd do it, but that sounds like a really good porno scenario. Do you work in the porn industry by any chance? That is pretty creative.

you're coming in after a swim, exhausted from the physical exercise. you sit down on a bench and take off your wet swimming trunks and spread your legs, letting your balls dangle several inches below the bench. all of a sudden a cute naked girl runs up to you and jumps on your lap, wrapping her legs around your waist. your penis twitches as her pink labia unsticks from its meniscus, releasing sweet nectar into the air, her warm body radiating downwards into your now rock hard cock. she begins to grind back and forth, holding hard onto the nape of your neck for support, her initially wry smile turning slowly into a smirk.

but then wait--

you realise its not a girl, its an old fat black man, and thats not a labia, thats his penis tip, and hes not griding back and forth, hes furiously masturbating into your stomach. too late, his warm cum splashes off your chest, dripping down onto your dangling balls, and you just now realise your dick is straddled hard between his hairy ass cheeks.

the dangers of transgender bathrooms projected into your male fantasy

I'm bi so that story had me edged then finished me off so gloriously

More like.

Identify as a heterosexual male, female. As in I fuck women but I also identify as one when convenient.

Go into the girl's changing room and take everything off, let my huge boner see the light as I pretend to look at my phone so that no one can say I am doing this on purpose.

Little 13 year old girls who have never seen a dick in real life, but who have masturbated and therefore know what a dick like mine would do to their tiny little brains, start all looking at me until one of them with huge boobs and a nice ass approaches me and asks me out for a date.

I say, well, only if you want to. Tee hee.

Go on a date and fuck her brains out.

Repeat.

Right now I am fucking diamonds.

Mental illness obviously

Welp, someone had to go there. Get v& faggot

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Read half of it
Where's the news here? No one heard of Intersex before? Hormone problems are also fairly common

I am constructing a hypothetical scenario, just like the other guy did.

I'm not breaking any rules, other than I have a different political opinion than yourself.

If you are for banning people based on their politics then I suppose you need to get the fuck back to /twitter/

There was a drug that showed promise, as it removed the dysmorphia until cessation, where the the dysmorphia returned.
For some reason though it isn't used

Even if that were possible, I don't really see the problem with that. Are you scared of underpopulation? Because then I have some fantastic news for you.